The Nineteenth Byte

4:06 PM

o-O

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Everyone seems to be forgetting that the number seven is represented by the symbol '7', and six '6'. I suggest we represent bleen with the symbol '╦'

....what

idk either

:31482977 why

@Dennis nuke please

@TùxCräftîñg Seriously, come on. You've been asked by several mods to avoid posting things that are just gonna annoy other people - start thinking before you post.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

4:11 PM

Ummm wat?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

a spam answer

awaiting mod nukilition

Quill

link?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

5 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

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A: A newly discovered number: bleen!

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the number seven is represented by the symbol '7', and six '6'. I suggest we represent bleen with the symbol '╦'

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

nukilition.

xD

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Quill what do you mean?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ @VTCAKAVSMoACE RTFTD

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

4:12 PM

"jesse" should bump up their rep and then comment.

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ like "pls post a link to teh answer so I can downvote it".... which you did

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh, i though you already saw it.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

We aren't helping them get rep so that they can comment!!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

5 mins ago, by Quill

....what

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I didn't understand that that answer was the NAA post you were talking about

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

4:13 PM

@DmitryKudriavtsev that's pretty much just spam. I don't think it was well intentioned at all, though I might be wrong.

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ that was in response to the now deleted message

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Quill oh, got it

@Quill >_> sorry

Quill

It's not "spam" (at least defined by SE's "undisclosed service or product") it's just not NAA

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

@Downgoat we need a better cheddar installer that doesn't pretty much curl http://cheddar.com | sudo bash

kinda unsafe

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Guys. How do you multiply strings in ruby?

I keep getting an error "String can't be coerced into Fixnum"

TimmyD

4:18 PM

Good gravy. Upvotes are in inverse proportion to the level of golfing effort required, aren't they?

ArtOfCode

@DmitryKudriavtsev "string"*10

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Oh. Fucking lvalues

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TimmyD yes

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I was multiplying 10 by a string

ArtOfCode

@DmitryKudriavtsev that would do it, yeah

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

4:19 PM

Welp. puts (?**10+?\n)*10

Yeah.

Dennis

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Please don't flag non-spam posts as spam.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

sorry, i considered it spam

won't do that again

mınxomaτ

@DmitryKudriavtsev You can use numbers in strings with .to_f (or .to_i)

Dennis

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ How so? The spam radio button says Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I was going by the definition "Not an answer and intended to waste time/be irritating".

Not the SE definition.

ArtOfCode

4:21 PM

Spam and offensive flags on SE are not things to be thrown on things that irritate you - they come with admin penalties for the user

If it's not spam by the definition by the radio button, or abusive by its respective definition (including gibberish), then don't use those flags.

TimmyD

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A: Definitive policy about answers not meeting the challenge specification

Scope As I see it, there are five types of invalid answers: Answers that produce incorrect results. This is the most common type, and usually an accident. Answers that produce correct results, but break a rule of the challenge, ignore parts of the spec or violate a loophole. For example, ans...

mınxomaτ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ There's a flag for "not an answer". It's called "Not an answer".

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@mınxomaτ Eloquently spoken

Quill

Direct, to the point, understandable. 10/10 would hire for PR

feersum

Huh? Aren't those all the things that you avoid in PR?

Leaky Nun

4:29 PM

@LuisMendo It seems that our approach is pretty much the same

You spent 6 bytes making the pairs while I spent 4

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ Reminds me of a joke on tumblr I saw one. Someone said "Elephants are so much more advanced than us. They have a specific noise for There are bees here, let us leave immediately. Why don't we have that?" ... Someone else responded "We do. It goes like There are bees here, let us leave immediately."

Leaky Nun

Your helper function takes 6 bytes while mine takes 8

And then we both spend 1 byte on checking if the input is inside

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Huh, maybe you can combine answers and make them bytes shorter

2 bytes**

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ideone.com/744sso w...why i doesn't increment

oh nvm

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

4:50 PM

Wut.

I have 175mb/s internet.

Steam is downloadding at 800 KB/s

ArtOfCode

@DmitryKudriavtsev bytes or bits?

betseg

and i am here with 300kbps max:(

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@ArtOfCode Please clarify

@betseg what provider.

ArtOfCode

@DmitryKudriavtsev 175 Mbps or 175 MB/s? They're different units.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I have 175 mbps internet and getting 800 KB/s on steam

ArtOfCode

4:53 PM

The former is megabits per second, which is 8 times less than the latter, megabytes per second.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

OK, I get it

sorry

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@DmitryKudriavtsev Turknet

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Q: Random Additional Characters introduced in code blocks

For some odd reason code blocks. I.E stuff like this. Lots of codez here Seem to contain odd unicode characters (like zero width joiners) which significantly intereferes with the ability to copy and paste test cases. Is there a fix for this? Is it a bug on my side or the ppcg side?

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@bteesg

@betseg better than comcast

Geobits

Sometimes I think a couple cans and a string would be better than comcast :/

betseg

5:00 PM

@DmitryKudriavtsev we have Turk Telekom which is a hundred times worse then Comcast.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I have comcast :(

It works sometimes though. 175 mbit/sec is awesome when it works.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Is ther any rules against mentioning products on this sight?

betseg

I wish Google Fiber was all around the world

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

But srsly. Cities Skylines has been downloading for half an hour.

:P

mınxomaτ

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

5:02 PM

WHAT THE FUCK.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@DmitryKudriavtsev my bad

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

sorry @RohanJhunjhunwala

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Dimitry please avoid strong profanity

its ok

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@mınxomaτ ...How?

mınxomaτ

5:03 PM

@DmitryKudriavtsev Every university and research lab in Germany is connected to the DFN (German Research Network). That includes most on-campus housing and companies on campus (like us).

zyabin101

@RohanJhunjhunwala Advertising products without mentioning the author's affiliation is spam.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

ok

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Welp. I'm moving to Germany

mınxomaτ

DFN has a standard bandwidth of 1Gbps.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

i guess since your not affiliated ur in the clear. Just wanted to check

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

5:03 PM

/s

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I had no intention of reporting just trying to get the policy

TùxCräftîñg

1GBPS is truly enormous compared to my little 40KBPS...

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@mınxomaτ How many linux isos have you downloaded?

mınxomaτ

My own apartment on the other hand only has a 300/150 (Mbps) connection.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@TùxCräftîñg Where are you located?

@mınxomaτ WHY AM I NOT IN EUROPE

TùxCräftîñg

5:04 PM

@DmitryKudriavtsev corsica

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@TùxCräftîñg sorry, I'm unfamiliar with where that is.

TùxCräftîñg

the little island below france

Zgarb

@Dennis Could you pull Jellyfish, please?

mınxomaτ

@DmitryKudriavtsev The maximum available connection here is about 10Gbps symmetrically. That's about $1500 per month.

betseg

> only

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

5:06 PM

@mınxomaτ Is there a service where you pay a European person 50 euros plus the cost of an HDD, and they download a list of files, then ship you the HDD with a fast shipping service?

> only

mınxomaτ

In some parts of Switzerland though, you can get a symmetrical 1Gbps connection for every single apartment in a house for $80 per month.

Zgarb

@MartinEnder Once Dennis makes the pull, this should work.

Dennis

@Zgarb Done.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I've heard that Netherlands has really good internet and most people speak English.

betseg

den ill go to the netherlands for university

mınxomaτ

5:08 PM

Good, but not as cheap.

betseg

Oh

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Still better than comcast.

Dialup is better than comcast.

mınxomaτ

If you manage to get an apartment in the Init7 network area in Switzerland, you get the most bang for the buck in terms of internet.

betseg

Comcast is better than Turk Telekom

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Yelling individual bits through a tin can is better than comcast.

(I'm exaggerating. Comcast isn't that bad here.)

betseg

5:10 PM

(im not exaggerating. Turk Telekom is shit.)

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

No data caps at least, and service works 99% of the time.

turkey isn't that good of a place lately.

mınxomaτ

> lately

betseg

@mınxomaτ he's right tho. we became shit after Erdoğan became the prime minister

TùxCräftîñg

i think i have found the most random letter in unicode

betseg

@TùxCräftîñg which is?

TùxCräftîñg

5:12 PM

Ǆ (U+01C4)

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg why is it random? It is just a ligature

that consonant cluster is not bizarre

betseg

> ǅ is the seventh letter of the [...] alphabet [...], after D and before Đ

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ it's a letter

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Leaky Nun

@Dennis You may want to see this seeing that you are a Spanish speaker

(cc @LuisMendo)

betseg

5:14 PM

@DmitryKudriavtsev you are old

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

?

Alt text: To make your shoes feel more comfortable, smell better, and last longer, try taking them off before you shower.

betseg

@DmitryKudriavtsev it's already shared here

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Oh.

mınxomaτ

@DmitryKudriavtsev Please do not post image links to xkcd. Just use the url, it oneboxes.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Oneboxes?

Also, why not?

TùxCräftîñg

5:16 PM

a onebox is for example

Markdown

Markdown is a lightweight markup language with plain text formatting syntax designed so that it can be converted to HTML and many other formats using a tool by the same name. Markdown is often used to format readme files, for writing messages in online discussion forums, and to create rich text using a plain text editor. == History == John Gruber created the Markdown language in 2004, with significant collaboration from Aaron Swartz on the syntax, with the goal of enabling people "to write using an easy-to-read, easy-to-write plain text format, and optionally convert it to structurally valid XHTML...

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Oh.

Let me post the link then

To make your shoes feel more comfortable, smell better, and last longer, try taking them off before you shower.

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Lel

mınxomaτ

It also preserves the alt text.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Does it now?

Oh yeah!!

betseg

Trying

m.xkcd.com

TùxCräftîñg

5:17 PM

only work with permalinks of the desktop version

betseg

Lol

TùxCräftîñg

just to test if it work also with the homepage, but the answer is 'nope'

betseg

m.xkcd.com/1715

Doesn't work ok

TùxCräftîñg

with the desktop version

betseg

Juuuust tryin

mınxomaτ

5:19 PM

@betseg That's what the sandbox is for.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

goo.gl/Zxcz2t

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Dennis

@LeakyNun I'm not really interested in linguistics. I learn languages because I have to. I've lived here 14½ years and only know one of the two official languages.

Leaky Nun

@Dennis what are the official languages?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Thanks @DmitryKudriavtsev

quartata

Spanish and Portuguese I presume

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

5:23 PM

?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

U know what u did...

TùxCräftîñg

y u rickroll ;_;

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Sorry.

How do you delete links?

Poke

you leave that forever

or else

quartata

Oh boy transcript is full of deleted messages

TùxCräftîñg

5:25 PM

python need a syntax for ternary literals

Poke

@quartata better than trashed convos imo

ArtOfCode

Y'know when you mod flag, every mod can see it - not just Dennis.

quartata

@TùxCräftîñg It has one

mınxomaτ

Jul 25 at 16:47, by Martin Ender

Don't use flags as jokes. They're visible to every 10k user on the entire network.

TùxCräftîñg

@quartata ?

Poke

5:26 PM

@TùxCräftîñg eh?

ArtOfCode

@mınxomaτ nah, it wasn't a joke flag

@TùxCräftîñg "value" if condition else "other value"

Poke

^ this

TùxCräftîñg

>_< i mean ternary number system

Ternary numeral system

The ternary numeral system (also called base 3) has three as its base. Analogous to a bit, a ternary digit is a trit (trinary digit). One trit is equivalent to log23 (about 1.58496) bits of information. Although ternary most often refers to a system in which the three digits 0, 1, and 2 are all non-negative numbers, the adjective also lends its name to the balanced ternary system, used in comparison logic and ternary computers. == Comparison to other radices == Representations of integer numbers in ternary do not get uncomfortably lengthy as quickly as in binary. For example, decimal 365...

Dennis

@LeakyNun Spanish and Guaraní.

Poke

or there's the classic (falseValue, trueValue)[test]

quartata

5:27 PM

I don't even know what's going on anymore nor do I want to

Leaky Nun

@Dennis interesting

Poke

why does it need ternary literals?

mınxomaτ

> The ternary numeral system (also called base 3) has three as its base.

TùxCräftîñg

because it's useful when working on esolangs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mınxomaτ

...

Poke

5:27 PM

i'm not sure any language needs ternary literals >.>

ah

it would be helpful for malbolge potentially, too

Business Cat

@Poke Anything remotely comprehensible would be useful for Malbolge

Poke

@BusinessCat i've been using www.matthias-ernst.eu/malbolge/debugger.html

along with the esolang wiki

it's almost doable

betseg

Emojicode doesn't have ternary too (AFAIK)

ArtOfCode

:31484839 Question: why are you posting random Donald Trump things?

TùxCräftîñg

def tti(s):
        n = 0
        for c in s:
                n *= 3
                n += ord("012"[ord(c) - 0x30]) - 0x30
        return n

simple function with the worst checking ever

Leaky Nun

5:32 PM

@TùxCräftîñg what the hell is ord("012"[ord(c) - 0x30]) - 0x30

can't you just do ord(c) - 0x30

TùxCräftîñg

@LeakyNun a simple checking

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg that's the worst checking ever

TùxCräftîñg

1 min ago, by TùxCräftîñg

simple function with the worst checking ever

betseg

@TùxCräftîñg what does that do

ArtOfCode

...sure?

TùxCräftîñg

5:33 PM

@betseg convert a ternary string in a number ("10" => 3)

quartata

@betseg It's base conversion but the indentation + ords makes it difficult to read

TùxCräftîñg

> indentation

betseg

@quartata what does ord do ._.

TùxCräftîñg

why

@betseg ord convert a character to it unicode codepoint

ie: "\n" => 10

betseg

like int i = char; in C? Lel

Leaky Nun

5:35 PM

@TùxCräftîñg why on the whole world did you have to pick "\n" for the demonstration?

@TùxCräftîñg look, we have int("10",3)

TùxCräftîñg

@LeakyNun entirely forgotten this

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

TIL best buy display laptops have wifi.

TùxCräftîñg

ЕEЕЕЕE is a valid code in my new esolang

and this code execute 3 commands (not the same commands)

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E, EE, EEE?

TùxCräftîñg

no

Martin Ender

5:45 PM

@Zgarb thanks! :) could you explain how _ actually works/is used in general?

Nathan Merrill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it wasn't always that way (at least it wasn't 5 or so years ago near me)

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg EEE, EE, E?

TùxCräftîñg

no

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg ternary?

TùxCräftîñg

how ternary can be used here?

since nobody found teh answer is...

Martin Ender

5:48 PM

@Zgarb what am I missing that this doesn't work? jellyfish.tryitonline.net/… (it's supposed to be the Tabula Recta challenge although I still need to get rid of the last line)

TùxCräftîñg

42 cyrillic ie, latin e and greek epsilon!

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@TùxCräftîñg oooh ЕE, ЕЕ, ЕE

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg oh, god

@MartinEnder why is there an input for the Tabula Recta?

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i was L8 m8

Martin Ender

@LeakyNun it's not used

Leaky Nun

5:50 PM

@MartinEnder alright

TùxCräftîñg

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/jellyfish/jellyfish.py", line 6, in <module>
    interpret(program)
  File "/opt/jellyfish/interpreter.py", line 208, in interpret
    corner = fill(items)
  File "/opt/jellyfish/interpreter.py", line 178, in fill
    l_nbor = fill(items, l_conn.pos, level+1)
  File "/opt/jellyfish/interpreter.py", line 178, in fill
    l_nbor = fill(items, l_conn.pos, level+1)
  File "/opt/jellyfish/interpreter.py", line 194, in fill
    item.func = oper(l_input, r_input)

miles

@Dennis very nice consecutive shortening. I tried using that definition but implemented as dyad helper to reduce over the [prime,exponent] pair and blew 16 bytes. I just learned that a 1,2 will be treated as a list rather than parsed by the rules

Leaky Nun

@MartinEnder where can i find the docs?

Martin Ender

github.com/iatorm/jellyfish/blob/master/doc.md

Nathan Merrill

bah, I want to write a challenge, but I'm going to be gone for a couple of days in a couple hours

TùxCräftîñg

5:52 PM

python need the classic C for

Dennis

@miles Yes, , is both literal syntax and an atom. That usually works well.

Leaky Nun