The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

02:02

Downgoat said bye and was back two minutes later. I see he goes to the Conor O'Brien school of leaving chat rooms. :P

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ thank you for not engaging in the annoying goat contempt :)

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

PS A Q: Why in the world has PPCG not gotten its design yet?

Maltysen

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ #6to8weeks

Sherlock9

How many weeks ago was that?

Dennis

@Downgoat Come on, you can't include that last option and not expect people to select it...

Geobits

02:07

Apr 21 at 17:29, by Geobits

I heard we'll be getting the design in November, though. From a very good source.

May 11 at 18:18, by Geobits

Or just wait til November.

Jun 6 at 20:11, by Geobits

Yep, coming in November.

Dennis

@Sherlock9 6 to 8 weeks is timeless. After 6 or 8 weeks, it's still 6 to 8 weeks.

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Geobits

So, uh, yeah.

Downgoat

@Dennis yes, that was a joke and idc if people choose it but I'm not referring to that

Sherlock9

Alright, we'll see which comes out first: our new design or Dishonored 2

Maltysen

@Geobits so basically, all we can say is that there exists some november by which we will have a design

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

02:08

yesterday, by ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

> g-oatmeal

Geobits

@Maltysen Sounds about right. Also, dear god what happened to your dragon??

Downgoat

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ huehuehue you're hilarious

Maltysen

@Geobits I was joining the dream style fad, and I didn't really want to put effort into picking a good style

Geobits

Fair enough. I didn't do this one either, but just waited for someone to post something that looked decent.

Dennis

I really hope this is over soon. You all look like you did when Fedora got bonkers.

Downgoat

02:12

@Dennis brb dream-ifying you

Geobits

^ same

Sherlock9

I'd like to see the results with old profile picture and this new one, but I doubt I'll use it

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman i can't goats and dragons don't go well together IRL

thankfully most of them were sheep

Geobits

^ IRL?

Dennis

@Downgoat Somebody already did. Looked like some unholy merger of Dennis and Sp3000‘s avatar.

Downgoat

02:14

@Dennis link?

Dennis

Don't have one.

Downgoat

:(

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman yes, I have an unresolved tension of being mentioned >_>

@Downgoat oh, don't worry. that's frank

Dennis

@Downgoat Just search for Dennis3000.

Geobits

Mention tension? Sounds rough.

Conor O'Brien

02:15

@Dennis quick J question. Is there a shorter way to do bitwise XOR in J than [:#.-.@=/@#:@,?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

> Don't forget your evil laugh; remember -- you can't spell slaughter without 'laughter'!

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien wait wat i thought it was Bob ¬¬¬¬¬_____¬¬¬¬¬¬

Jul 28 at 5:59, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat that's actually bob. he's the outsider of the family

Helka Homba

Aug 27 at 0:47, by Adnan

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba oh my f—

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat oh, maybe. Frank is also not nice

@Geobits yes, it's horrible. >_>

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

02:16

How to find the exact time of the last commit?

On gitHub. How can I find exactly when something was commited

Conor O'Brien

@RohanJhunjhunwala with your eyes

Downgoat

wow that's good

Conor O'Brien

that is terrifying.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ConorO'Brien thanks! but seriously. It gives me the day but not the time

Conor O'Brien

@RohanJhunjhunwala oh? idk then :P

Downgoat

02:17

@RohanJhunjhunwala hover over the "commited XXX days ago"

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien Oh my, I hope so. Can't check on my phone.

Downgoat

or whatever it says

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat @ConorO'Brien I mean the hour

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis I see. but there aren't any builtins to do this, are there?

Dennis

Nope.

Conor O'Brien

02:18

that seems like something important to lack in a programming language ._.

Downgoat

@RohanJhunjhunwala it shows hour?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat I need to see the hour

Downgoat

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat how do you get to that?

Downgoat

I hovered over the "Commited 5 days ago" thing

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

02:19

@Downgoat thank you

Downgoat

np :)

@TùxCräftîñg if there is gaot++ should there also be gaot#?

DerpfacePython

Gaot

I made a new language called logicode

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ConorO'Brien use SILOS we just got support for it there is an XOR command :)

DerpfacePython

This is a XOR gate in logicode

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

</self-promotion>

DerpfacePython

02:21

circ xor(a,b)=>(!(a&b))&(a?b)

Geobits

Why does something called logicode have such a complicated xor?

DerpfacePython

Ummm

Because it only has logic gates

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

It is not logical

DerpfacePython

AND, OR and NOT

Wow rude

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

sorry

Geobits

02:22

Oh, see I usually include XOR as a logic gate itself.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

had to make that pun

and XNOR

Geobits

@Dennis Maybe this is more to your liking?

DerpfacePython

What is that

Downgoat

@DerpfacePython chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31992242#31992242

Geobits

>_>

Maltysen

02:24

@Geobits it kinda looks like a teddy graham

Downgoat

@Geobits how to make kids believe there are actually monsters 101

Maltysen

@Downgoat nah, just putting anything into deep dream is good enough

Helka Homba

Geobits

Puppy Martin!

Conor O'Brien

11 mins ago, by Conor O'Brien

@Dennis quick J question. Is there a shorter way to do bitwise XOR in J than [:#.-.@=/@#:@,?

Helka Homba

02:26

It's kinda horrible

Ashwin Gupta

ok I know we gotta a bunch of JS experts in here

Nathan Merrill

bah, designing interfaces is hard

Conor O'Brien

@LeakyNun ^^

Ashwin Gupta

like @Downgoat so I've got a question

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien ~:/&.#:@, works.

Conor O'Brien

02:26

@AshwinGupta hello! I am one of your resident, should be sleeping JS experts!

Ashwin Gupta

Lol!

so what are {{ }} double curly brackets?

like in this: xss-game.appspot.com/level4

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis bloody fantastic!

Geobits

@AshwinGupta A mistake in javascript's design.

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba y u mix cute puppies and distinguished mod to maek scary puppy monster ;_;

Ashwin Gupta

Downgoat

02:27

@AshwinGupta it means angular

Dennis

@Geobits That looks like I sat too near to a clown when he exploded.

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Maltysen

@AshwinGupta that's a string?

Downgoat

angular means you should run away scared

Ashwin Gupta

@Downgoat ah ok.

Conor O'Brien

^^, ^^^

Ashwin Gupta

02:28

lol

Leaky Nun

@ConorO'Brien You can see more information here

Geobits

@Dennis Hmm, how about....

Conor O'Brien

purejsmasterrace

Ashwin Gupta

thanks. But could you explain why its in double brackets?

Geobits

Downgoat

02:28

@Dennis and the easter bunny. I think I also see some horns coming out of your hair

Dennis

@Geobits Great, now I have greyscale...

Conor O'Brien

@LeakyNun that page uses 1"0 instead of 1: ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta angular knows to parse stuff as 'angular code' if it is in double braces:

e.g.:

Geobits

@Dennis Well, it's turtlescale to be precise :P

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta it has nothing to do with actual js. I recommend you read a basic angular 101 tutorial

Downgoat

02:29

<p>1 plus 1 is: {{ 1 + 1 }}</p> angular will evaluate and replace {{ 1 + 1 }} with 2

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen ok xD

Leaky Nun

@ConorO'Brien How do you use that xor?

Ashwin Gupta

@Downgoat ah I see...

Leaky Nun

@Maltysen Long time no see

Ashwin Gupta

Ok well thanks people! Thats why I came here. Much quicker and less painful then SO. I got like 4 people who knew the answer immediately. Without being marked as a duplicate 100 times.

Conor O'Brien

02:31

@LeakyNun ? you mean in my original attempt? I don't >_>

Leaky Nun

@ConorO'Brien in the new one

   7(~:/&.#:@,)5
0
   (~:/&.#:@,)5 7
0

Conor O'Brien

   7(~:/&.#:@,)5
2

What's wrong with your copy of J :/

Maltysen

@LeakyNun you too.

nice to be back at TNB

Leaky Nun

@Maltysen If you don't mind, where did you go?

Maltysen

@LeakyNun india, and then band camp

Leaky Nun

02:34

@Maltysen I see

   7(,)5
7 5
   7(#:@,)5
1 1 1
1 0 1
   7(~:/@#:@,)5
0 0 0

@ConorO'Brien This is what's wrong

Conor O'Brien

Are you using &.?

Leaky Nun

@ConorO'Brien no, because I'm testing each component individually

Conor O'Brien

do you know how &. works?

Leaky Nun

~:/&.#: is just #:^:_1@~:/@#:

Dennis

@LeakyNun That won't do. &. is magic.

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Leaky Nun

02:36

@Dennis but it's failing me anyway

Conor O'Brien

@LeakyNun uh.. @&.@?

Leaky Nun

@ConorO'Brien fixed

Conor O'Brien

weird things happen with @ and insert

I don't quite understand it myself

Geobits

ok, one last try to get Dennis on board with this. I'm fairly sure this one won't work either...

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Downgoat

@Geobits SUCH CELEBRATION, VERY OUTGOLF

Dennis

02:38

Happy New Year!

quartata

Coal miner

Leaky Nun

On an unrelated note:

   7(|:@#:@,)5
1 1
1 0
1 1
   7(~:/"1@|:@#:@,)5
0 1 0
   7((~:/"1@|:)&.#:@,)5
2

quartata

but with colored coal

Leaky Nun

@ConorO'Brien @Dennis ^^

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

All aboard the deap dreams hype train?

Dennis

02:39

I'm not following. How is that betters than ~:/&.#:@,?

Conor O'Brien

he's trying to understand it

Dennis

   7 (~:/&.#:@,) 5
2

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

what's the goal?

Bitwise xor?

Leaky Nun

@Dennis Because it doesn't work for me

@RohanJhunjhunwala in J.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Ok

Dennis

02:40

@LeakyNun When/how does it fail?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

What exactly is the inspiration behind j?

Is it a golfing esolang?

Conor O'Brien

APL, arrays, functional, glory

Helka Homba

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Such Martender much wow

Geobits

SpEnder?

Leaky Nun

02:41

@RohanJhunjhunwala it isn't an esolang

Conor O'Brien

@RohanJhunjhunwala no. ಠ_ಠ it's a functional, practical language geared towards mathematics.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun @ConorO'Brien so sort of like APL?

Leaky Nun

7(~:/&.#:@,)5
0

Conor O'Brien

yes

Leaky Nun

Like this

Dennis

02:41

@LeakyNun Which interpreter?

Maltysen

@RohanJhunjhunwala like APL but ascii

Leaky Nun

@Dennis tryj.tk

Conor O'Brien

It works fine on my console

Dennis

@LeakyNun Stop using that and download the real one. J.js is crap.

Conor O'Brien

@LeakyNun maybe it's another tryj.tk bug

^^

Nathan Merrill

02:42

...my KoTH suddenly died. I was getting tons of comments/activity for like an hour...then it suddenly all stopped oO

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill it seems like an interesting concept

Dennis

First language I'll add to TIO v2 will be J.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@NathanMerrill the introduction of subpar bots to "scam" makes it playable. (Don't worry I don't rob shut up and take my money

@Dennis what are some of the features of TIO v2?

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala code saving like Ideone

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Will programs be interactive?

@LeakyNun oooh code saving. So I can can paste permalinks to long code on tnb?

Leaky Nun

02:44

@RohanJhunjhunwala REPL? graphics? define interactive

@RohanJhunjhunwala yes, and edit them without editing your post

Geobits

deepstyle protip: don't use quartata's pichu avatar with a colorful pikachu face. Just... don't.

Leaky Nun

(though you still need to edit your post to update the code)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun in terms of an interface

Input received during the running of the code

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala REPL then, it would be hard to implement

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala The most important difference is proper sandboxing, which means I should be able to host pretty much any language on TIO. REPL/interactive may be introduced at some point, but I don't think it will happen soon.

quartata

02:45

@Geobits lemme see

Maltysen

@Geobits post plz

Geobits

Eh, it didn't work at all:

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis so are there currently languages you had to reject because they are unsafe?

quartata

Perfect

Maltysen

it looks like someone put pikachu in a blender

Geobits

02:46

On the plus side, it doesn't look like a coal miner.

Conor O'Brien

@Geobits what the heck is taht

quartata

Abstract art coal miner

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun I found a bug and squashed it. Missing semicolon must have gotten somewhere caught in the merge process

Geobits

It's quartata. You don't see the resemblance? :P

Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala alright

Conor O'Brien

02:48

oh, I see

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala I'm not really confident in the current sandboxing method, and I'd have to enable it individually for each interpreter since it's a bit quirky. Notably, for Python 3.5 which I wanted to add to TIO, the v1's sandbox just segfaults.

Leaky Nun

   7(~:/&.#:@,)5
2

@ConorO'Brien @Dennis done

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis oh ok.

Conor O'Brien

Nice job!

Dennis

\o/

I assume J.js doesn't have &.. It ought to be rather painful to implement.

Conor O'Brien

02:49

@Dennis it does, actually, at least for u&.>

Geobits

10

Aaaaaaand I'm done.

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien It isn't loading at all for me right now, so I can't check. What does that do?

Downgoat

@Geobits @HelkaHomba chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31961914#31961914

Dennis

@Geobits OK, that's actually quite beautiful.

Geobits

It looks like he's drowning :/

Conor O'Brien

02:50

@Dennis Basically, on a boxed list, performs u to the members. E.g., *:&.> ;/1 2 3 => 1;4;9

quartata

That's Andesite as the guide right

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun your update didn't seem to reverse bork anything. I'll commit the fixed semicolon, but in order to verify the bitshift I'll have to do math which wont work out well for me at 11 pm my time.

Geobits

@quartata No, I used a macro dewdrop image I found: s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/eu-ddream-style/…

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun I'll ping you if I find any issues with the bitshift

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien Right. I guess it works for some verbs, but not all of them.

Conor O'Brien

02:52

yeah, probably has something to do with ill-defined inverses

Maltysen

@Geobits ooooooh prettttyyyy

Helka Homba

@Geobits I'm all soggy :I

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Leaky Nun

@RohanJhunjhunwala Alright, I'll write a test script now

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@LeakyNun ok thanks! The only reason why I hesitate to do it so late at night, is because I'm bound to make errors.

Geobits

@HelkaHomba Well, it looked a lot better than the other one I tried for you... >_>

DLosc

02:55

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I don't get this deep dreams hype

Geobits

It's a mildly amusing diversion that will fade soon enough.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Why does evryone change there avatar

Geobits

For the same reason people anagram their names or any other silliness. Why not?

Business Cat

Because it's funny and horrifying

Leaky Nun

02:57

@RohanJhunjhunwala done

Geobits

This is just getting silly now:

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