The Nineteenth Byte

TùxCräftîñg

11:01 PM

wtf is happening in turkey ಠ_ಠ

it's a mess visibly

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Q: I programming puzzles, il code golf

Background The Italian definite article (corresponding to English the) has seven different forms: l', il, lo, gli, i, la, le. Which one to use depends on three variables: Gender: masculine / feminine Number: singular / plural Initial letter of the subsequent word: vowel / consonant type A / co...

Helka Homba

The news is only 3 hours old and there's already a wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

TùxCräftîñg

waw

quartata

@El'endiaStarman How did you handle new bots in Spacewar? Did you just have that bot fight all the other bots, or did you have all the bots fight all the other bots again?

The latter is easier for making the controller but I don't think it's the proper way to handle it since the bots probably won't be deterministic

El'endia Starman

@quartata I actually haven't done any scoring on new bots for a while. That said, I do have the capability to choose either one.

quartata

11:08 PM

OK.

Yeesh, I hope the KoTH server is strong enough to handle this because I have no idea where else I'd host this...

El'endia Starman

I actually implement all vs all by using one vs all.

quartata

I think I'll do this with a concommand actually

TùxCräftîñg

the army is taking over the government in turkey ಠ_ಠ

this dont make any sense

quartata

Unfortunately history in general has a tradition of this

A somewhat inevitable consequence of our nature I suppose

Quill

@Downgoat the cheddar version I used for the server side tests was a bit borked, it didn't like new lines or string formatting

I'll make a new repo for the server side code on the Cheddar-Lang group if that's okay with you

quartata

11:15 PM

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ You've probably been bombarded with pings from Downgoat...

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@quartata idk haven't checked yet

@quartata if you mean all the time, yes, but not while i was sleeping

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman I'd elect you as moderator, just saying

I tried to last time, run again

quartata

We probably won't have another election for a while

El'endia Starman

Yeah, the next election is normally at least a year later.

quartata

We don't really need one. Our four moderators are more than enough to handle things (at least on main....)

Helka Homba

11:18 PM

@quartata A Turkish TV station had to tape a video phone conversation between a reporter and the Turkish president in order to get him on air. I bet that's new :o

El'endia Starman

That too. Plus, Digital Trauma had a really strong showing last time, so I'd bet on him being the next mod.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

And El'endia can already moderate TNB since he's a mod

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

whenever I visit the chatroom its always mostly from the same small group of people

quartata

Actually having el'endia and Quill around has helped a lot with... you know

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

11:19 PM

@Downgoat How broken is Cheddar rn on a scale from 1 to 10?

quartata

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ 1

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC You haven't visited long enough. :P

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman is a moderator on another SE site

quartata

everytime he pinged you he fixed it liek 2 days later

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@quartata Yeah, I know

quartata

11:20 PM

He's gotten a lot done, I have to say

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Meanwhile, I've been procrastinating on some projects

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ 8

@Downgoat What

@Downgoat wat

@El'endiaStarman out of curiosity, where does the name "el'endia" come from? googling only gets you...

Downgoat

11:21 PM

See cheddar room

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

link?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Cheddar

For discussion of the design and development of the Cheddar pr...

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I used my real name to generate a pseudonym for myself for an author-insert fanfiction. I subsequently used that pseudonym as my username pretty much everywhere online.

quartata

Oh I keep forgetting about Downgoat's ability to break features of Cheddar that have always worked

7

TùxCräftîñg

^

El'endia Starman

11:23 PM

@quartata It's really quite incredible how wildly Cheddar swings from working to being horribly broken.

quartata

At least Pytek's parser has more or less always worked

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@El'endiaStarman It's fine, I think

It's just Downgoat places a lot of importance on the latest/current feature

So if that is broken, Cheddar gets a high broken rating

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Whenever I meet people on the internet I always think of them being a third gender - neither male or female. when I do discover their real gender, it persists

Including you

El'endia Starman

@TùxCräftîñg That's like saying all robots are transsexual.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^^

TùxCräftîñg

11:26 PM

^

Helka Homba

@TùxCräftîñg asexual may be more apt

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^

Our bot needs to be tweeting more than the question title. It needs to say "How much can you golf this challenge?" or something similar

quartata

It says "Can you answer this?" on unanswered questions

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It needs to show the tags

quartata

Keep in mind we don't have any control over the bot, it's part of se

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

11:29 PM

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ ^^^

@quartata feature request

mods can do that

do we notify dennis?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC anyone can feature request

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

oh

quartata

It would be a massive waste of developer time for a pointless one-site tweak

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

but why would showing tags be only specific to PPCG?

quartata

I meant the "How much can you golf this challenge"

Helka Homba

11:30 PM

^ concur

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

it needs to be opens source so we can just submit a PR

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@quartata oh, yeah, the tags should have pretty much equivalent information though

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Ask ArtOfCode to add twitter bots to QPixel

Quill

@quartata helped with taking names and kicking ass

Helka Homba

11:31 PM

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC You could make your own PPCG twitter bot

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ Huh?

TùxCräftîñg

Calculate A190810 http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/85411?atw=1 #codegolf

Tweeted by StackCodeGolf on July 15, 2016 at 8:24 AM

:O

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC github.com/ArtOfCode-/qpixel

quartata

@TùxCräftîñg It does that for all tweets, that was the name of the A51 proposal

They never updated it to "Programming Puzzles & Code Golf"

TùxCräftîñg

11:33 PM

@quartata my challenge is on PPCG twitter feed

quartata

All questions with >5 upvotes show up I believe

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

how come there is system 32 but not system 16 or system 64?

windows is weird

TùxCräftîñg

windows always have been ~~wired~~ weird

Dennis

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC system16 is simply system.

Not much use for it nowadays.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis why?

s/windows/the weird OS everyone uses for some reason

Dennis

11:41 PM

Because the first versions of Windows needed to distinguish between 16-bit and 32-bit. I guess.

And it's not everyone. I haven't used Windows in years.

TùxCräftîñg

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC s/some reason/because windows is installed by default on every computer/

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TùxCräftîñg except for macs and an obscure brand of lenovo comps

and rasp pi

Dennis

I assemble computers myself, so they come without an OS. Most laptops need scrubbing though.

TùxCräftîñg

what brand?

^^

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC There are a lot of Linux laptops

Just you have to look pretty hard to find a retailer

TùxCräftîñg

11:43 PM

^

Dennis

Meh, most are crap, difficult to come by or insanely expensive.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

eee pc

@Dennis ^

@TùxCräftîñg eee pc

Dennis

However, there are decent Chromebooks out there.

TùxCräftîñg

what obscure brand?

quartata

Jul 7 at 22:07, by quartata

Semi-offtopic but if you're looking for Linux laptops System76 is amazing.

Dennis

11:44 PM

Lenovo?

quartata

at least when I got mine

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis no hard drive space or terminal though

quartata

which was 2 years ago

Dennis

System76's machines look a bit bulky for my tastes.

Helka Homba

@Dennis Your house must have lots of lights

3

quartata

11:45 PM

@Dennis I have an original Gazelle and they're not that heavy

Dennis

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC You can replace the built-in SSD with a larger one. And Chrome OS has to be replaced with something better, of course.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis oh, I'd just take a win laptop and replace it with Ubuntu, or ig your OK with violating copyright law, Mac OS X

Dennis

Installing OS X on a non-Mac laptop is a bad idea.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

^

TùxCräftîñg

^

Dennis

11:47 PM

Installing Ubuntu is always a bad idea. :P

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Yeah, hackintosh is really hard to get right.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Dennis D:

TùxCräftîñg

@Dennis is evil

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Dennis Aww... ;_;

Which distro do you prefer?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis why? Ubuntu is the most user-friendly *nix os out there

quartata

11:48 PM

I really don't give a shit about distro

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC user-friendly is usually not the reason people switch to linux

Dennis

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan You have chances on a desktop computer, but laptops tend to have weird parts you cannot get drivers for.

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I'm an openSUSE man myself.

TùxCräftîñg

@Dennis can you add your-mom to TIO?

hai @Geobits

Dennis

My mom wouldn't want to be on TIO.

4

TùxCräftîñg

._.

Helka Homba

11:49 PM

cbsnews.com/live

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis I don't want to install linux and freebsd...

explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/349:_Success

Quill

@HelkaHomba wtf they actually block me from watching because australia

TùxCräftîñg

xD

Helka Homba

Crazy stuff in going on in Turkey :S

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

*explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/8/81/success.png

@Quill Use Tor, like a hacker

The onion router

Dennis

11:51 PM

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC That's pretty much how it was twenty years ago when I tried Linux for the first time. It has gotten a lot easier.

Quill

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that doesn't guarantee I'll end up with an USA node

TùxCräftîñg

i am in france and i can see it

Helka Homba

@Quill Use hola, a chrome plugin

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Quill just keep reconfiguring until you get a usa node

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC For Ubuntu you just follow instructions and go on the builtin firefox to stay on TNB while you wait for installation

Quill

11:52 PM

@HelkaHomba the beta of macOS nearly refuses to run Chrome

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ that's why I want ubuntu or mac os x

@Dennis thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Ubuntu is a Linux distro though

TùxCräftîñg

Ubuntu » Mac OS X

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Everything >> Mac OS X

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ I mean raw, typical linux

Mac OS X > Windows

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

11:53 PM

(sorry mac users)

TùxCräftîñg

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Windows > Mac OS X

everything is better than mac

even win

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Nobody has raw, typical linux

It's almost unusable

Dennis

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC There's nothing special or atypical about Ubuntu. And raw Linux is just a kernel.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

The closest you can get is probably something liks TinyCore

El'endia Starman

@HelkaHomba Do you know of a site that has a summary of what's happened thus far?

Downgoat

11:54 PM

@Quill sure

TùxCräftîñg

i think he mean kernel + sh + binutils for raw linux

Downgoat

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ eh like 3ish

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TùxCräftîñg Ubuntu is the most user-friendly flavor

TùxCräftîñg

i have never sayed the opposite

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@El'endiaStarman off-topic: the parliament building is being bombed!

TùxCräftîñg

11:55 PM

wat

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman scroll down cnn.com/2016/07/15/world/live-blog-turkey/index.html

Dennis

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC With all the times an upgrade rendered my system completely unusable, I beg to differ.

TùxCräftîñg

ubuntu is good, unity is sh*t

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Dennis Hasn't happened to me yet, I've only upgraded once

It may be because you built your own desktops?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Isn't TIO ubuntu?

Dennis

11:57 PM

Unity is pretty awful, yeah. I was usually compiz that borked something.

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Oh, Ubuntu Server works like a charm. I don't like it for desktops though.

TùxCräftîñg

GNOME is far better, idk why guys at Canonical switched to Unity ;_;

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

pros of turkey's plane is circling around turkey

flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

TùxCräftîñg

._.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg because Unity is Canonical's

Dennis

I need customization, so GNOME is just as bad as Unity.

Helka Homba

11:59 PM

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC pros?

TùxCräftîñg

this make circles ._.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

So what WM do you use?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@HelkaHomba president

WM?

Dennis

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan WM would be KWin. I use KDE.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Window Manager. Like Unity, Gnome or I3

Cheddar

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