The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

22:01

@El'endiaStarman I figured out the level layout thing

Place the doors right next to each other. That way in order to see into any other doors you have to enter the room and turn around

El'endia Starman

That's certainly one solution.

quartata

Tried doing some raytracing with it on paper and it's pretty air-tight, but not very satisfactory

BTW you'll need to make sure you use areaportals so the doors cull appropriately

El'endia Starman

Are these portals you're using one-way?

quartata

No

El'endia Starman

What's the room in general like, and where are the doors?

quartata

22:05

I tried it with rectangular rooms like this:

|-PP-|
|    |
|____|

Do you really need to worry about infinite lines of sight that much? Portal (for instance) just places a "recursion limit" of 8 of sorts

El'endia Starman

That doesn't seem particularly interesting. Are you thinking that there would be multiple rooms and that they'd be chained via these doors?

quartata

@El'endiaStarman Yes. I'm pretty sure it should work for any shape of room as long as the doors are right next to each other like that (I tried it with circular rooms as well)

I did it with 3 or 4 rooms connected together

El'endia Starman

That could actually be pretty interesting.

quartata

Another possibility is to elevate one of the doors. If there's a big platform blocking the view from the upper door to the lower door that should prevent infinite line of sights regardless of where the doors are

El'endia Starman

Oooh, yes, the lower door of one room could be connected to the upper door of the next room.

quartata

22:10

Yeah, exactly.

I think those two strategies combined could make for fairly interesting level design

El'endia Starman

Yeah. Now I just need to write a game engine. And figure out how to use Portal's rendering engine. :P

Enter...Pytek! Whenever I finish it, that is.

quartata

Too bad Source costs $25,000 for a Havok physics license

El'endia Starman

Well dang.

Upgoat

@El'endiaStarman how far are you on Pytek?

El'endia Starman

On the other hand, I don't expect to need the fullness of their physics engine...

@Upgoat I think I'm close to getting functions working, which is one of the huge pieces I need to progress much further.

Upgoat

22:13

cool. Do you have ternaryies yet?

quartata

It's built into Source is the problem. If you're making a free mod Valve will pull the strings for you not to pay that (it means people will need Source SDK Base or something) but if you're making a commercial game you need the Havok physics license

Potentially you could try to take that out of Source but it would be a massive pain in the ass

Source 2 is moving away from Havok which is something but for now I'm just telling all the bright-eyed little game developers on the Source SDK forums to use UE4 or something

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat No. Ternaries are an operator (well, two if you consider the ? and : to be distinct). I have the language feature implemented, but no specific operators besides addition.

Upgoat

is addition 1 \+ 2 or just 1 + 2? :P

El'endia Starman

Haha, it's just 1 + 2.

quartata

@Upgoat 1 + 2...

Upgoat

22:41

oh ok

Is this because 4 \/ 2 would be confusing?

El'endia Starman

No, it's because \ is for functions.

Functions and operators have distinctly different structures.

Upgoat

oh ok

will tehre be operator overlaodgn

El'endia Starman

I plan to do operator "overlaodgn" like Python does - define it in the class.

To personify +, it will ask its operands how to add them.

Upgoat

@El'endiaStarman hai numbr, im + haow shood i ad u togedr

Bálint

@Upgoat You should stop drinking avocad juice

Upgoat

22:50

ಠ_ಠ avocad meme is very old

Bálint

Or, in your langauge

Stap drinkin avoca juic

Upgoat

ಠ_ಠ cheddar-is-not-a-language-its-a-cheese puns are old

@Bálint do u hav hoves too, y is ur handwritng so bad

Bálint

@Upgoat Let's stop here or we get a free portal to trash

flawr

My first attempt at video stabilization:

Upgoat

@flawr such stability very video, much attempt

Bálint

22:56

feature-request A PPCG country for testing purposes

flawr

country?

Helka Homba

Golf is usually done at country clubs

Bálint

@flawr You can technically create countries on unclaimed lands

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@flawr It needs more pixels

Bálint

There's a huge one on the antarctica

El'endia Starman

22:59

@flawr Very cool. My only gripe is that the rocket isn't vertical. You stabilized it on a rocket and didn't make it vertical!?

Bálint

@El'endiaStarman I'm happy I'm not the only one noticing that

Upgoat

@flawr did SpaceX not release the original footage? or do you have to use the fotoage recorded off a TV from a potato

Bálint

@Upgoat Do you mean "with a potato"?

flawr

@El'endiaStarman I didn't know yet how to do that.

Helka Homba

Looks like early liquid oxygen depletion caused engine shutdown just above the deck https://t.co/Sa6uCkpknY

Tweeted by elonmusk on June 17, 2016 at 12:35 AM

DanTheMan

23:00

@Bálint Countries only really count if other countries recognize them as fellow countries

Upgoat

Should the existing catalog questions should be locked? New users are posting catalogs questions thinking they are on-topic

flawr

@Upgoat Yeah, my computer is not terribly fast, so for experimental purposes I just used a very low res.

Bálint

@DanTheMan That's the hard part of it

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Upgoat Are catalog question off-topic?

Bálint

@Upgoat Historical lock?

Upgoat

23:01

@flawr experimental porpoises? I hope they weren't harmed

@Bálint yeah

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yes

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Meta post?

Bálint

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Yes, they're, there's a meta post about it

flawr

@Upgoat Experimantal purr-goats.

DanTheMan

@Bálint A perfect example is Sealand off the coast of Britain that is only really recognized by Germany because of a hostage situation if my memory is correct.

Sp3000

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan There were for a while, but it's not encourage to present them as such, because a lot of people were starting to use the word "catalog" as an excuse for poor questions

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

23:03

I knew that. ^ But I never heard that catalog questions are explicitly off-topic.

Bálint

@DanTheMan There are 13 not recognized countries, there's Sealand of course, Liberland just between Serbia a Croatia

Sp3000

They're not explicitly off-topic, just... don't call it that :P

El'endia Starman

@Bálint If you don't know what those are, a historical lock is used for questions that were once a good fit for the site, but aren't anymore. They're good, but shouldn't be used as an example.

Bálint

@Sp3000 Or simply as an excuse for the "I don't want to go back and mark one the answer"

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan they are not exactly off-topic but if you are dubbing your question a "catalog" it's 99% most definitely ready to be closed and heavily downvoted

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

23:03

Now we're trying to say everything is essentially a catalog question.

Bálint

@El'endiaStarman I know

flawr

@Bálint It is always a matter of recognized by whom.

Sp3000

@Bálint That's not true - you can always have a normal question and just not mark an answer

El'endia Starman

@Bálint Alright, just wasn't sure from your question.

Helka Homba

@Upgoat Why off topic? Dupe or "I couldn't think of something new" seem more likely.

DanTheMan

23:04

@Bálint There are also some countries that are recognized by a lot of countries but not all, such as Kosovo

Bálint

@flawr You need to be recognized by the 15 biggest countries in the world, USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, etc.

Helka Homba

@Bálint Let's map those to the 15 top PPCG users

Upgoat

@HelkaHomba I'm saying they aren't off-topic. But if asked now, e.g. write a cat program. They would be very non-well-recieved. Sometimes new users ask basic questions "add two numbers", thinking they are OK because of existing catalogs.

Bálint

@DanTheMan Uhm, Kosovo became a separate country some time ago iirc

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

That's because it's boring, not because it's a catalog.

flawr

23:05

@Bálint For what?

DanTheMan

@Bálint Kosovo isn't recognized by Russia and many other former bloc countries

Bálint

@flawr To be a real cointry

@DanTheMan Sorry, you need to be recognized by 10 out of 15 biggest countries

Sp3000

@HelkaHomba Sure: Sealand's not a country, the Vatican's not a country but Calka's backyard is a country

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Calka?

Bálint

@Sp3000 Vatikan is a country

Helka Homba

23:07

@Sp3000 s/yard/porch/. But ok

Bálint

It's recognized by every country

flawr

See, that is just always a matter of perspecitve.

@Bálint Define *country*=)

Helka Homba

My lawn chair is a throne

Sp3000

@Bálint (The joke was meant to be that if PPCG users get to decide, then I'm casting my votes thus :P)

flawr

It is probably just recognized by countries itself recognices as countries. So basically a circle jerk.

Bálint

23:08

@flawr A country becomes a country, when it's recognized by at least 10 out of the 15 biggest countries in the world

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I don't even know what you guys are talking about.

flawr

@Bálint But it still is not a country from the perspective of everyone else. What if all the other countries declare the 15 biggest countries as non-countries?

See, just a matter of perspective

Helka Homba

I was wondering the other day, what do countries besides the US call their "liberal" and "conservative" political parties? I know it's not all Democrat and Republican.

(or other parties for that matter)

flawr

@HelkaHomba Many probably have more than two significant parties.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Smiizmar, and foochan

DanTheMan

23:11

@HelkaHomba Well it depend on how may parties there are to start

flawr

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan foochan->fouchan->fourchan->4chan

DanTheMan

And also more extreme parties such as communist parties are more common

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

DanTheMan

I've noticed that Green parties are pretty common

Sp3000

@HelkaHomba Labor/Liberal, not sure which way around. (Note: yes that's "Labor", not "Labour", for whatever reason)

Bálint

23:13

@flawr 15 biggest countries by economy. It's not about perspective, it's either in the international association of countries or not

Upgoat

@flawr wat is 4chan

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Ask @flawr he's the one who brought it up.

Helka Homba

@Sp3000 Is that all :P

flawr

@Bálint Nothing prevents any other countries to make another "true international association of countries"

@Upgoat 4chan.org the nemesis of reddit

Sp3000

@HelkaHomba If you put it that way, every country probably has the odd weird party. But those two are the major ones with any chance at having the Prime Minister (Greens are third, but nowhere close usually)

Upgoat

23:16

@flawr why?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@flawr oh god, Why'd you link to it?

Upgoat

@flawr flags

flawr

@Upgoat you asked.

DanTheMan

@flawr No, 9gag is the nemesis of reddit

Reddit is in an uneasy relationship with 4chan, but they are definitely not enemies

Upgoat

@DanTheMan solution: use babel? :P

flawr

23:20

what about digg or voat?

Bálint

Flying Spaghetti Monster

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) is the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Pastafarianism (a portmanteau of pasta and Rastafarian), a social movement that promotes a light-hearted view of religion and opposes the teaching of intelligent design and creationism in public schools. According to adherents, Pastafarianism is a "real, legitimate religion, as much as any other." Pastafarianism is legally recognized as a religion in Poland, in The Netherlands, and in New Zealand – where Pastafarian representatives have been authorized to celebrate weddings and where the first legally...

> In June 2014, a New Zealand man obtained a driver's license with a photograph of himself wearing a blue spaghetti strainer on his head. This was granted under a law allowing the wearing of religious headgear in official photos.

DanTheMan

Why did you just give us the link to the FSM wiki- oh

thanks New Zealand

Upgoat

cheddar> String.make
Uh, an error occured.
remind me later to make this throw an error, thanks

10/10 most descriptive errors

Bálint

@Upgoat It's at least more readable than a java crashlog

Upgoat

what should be the syntax for a namespace/module e.g.

<something> Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

Bálint

23:26

@Upgoat :

quartata

@Upgoat namespace

Bálint

<something>:Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

Upgoat

: Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

quartata

Sorry I thought that was obvious

Upgoat

wat

@quartata not module like ruby?

10/10 very ungolfy

quartata

23:27

@Upgoat no that's dumb

Upgoat

ok

Maltysen

@Upgoat space?

Upgoat

spacespacemathspace{
spacespacespaecpi:space3.14
}

Do NOT indent with space

Maltysen

@Upgoat huh no i meant

space: Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

Bálint

What about

Upgoat

23:29

nah I'll just do quartatas suggestion I think

DanTheMan

tabmathspace{
tabtabpi:space3.14
}

Use tabs

quartata

If Cheddar is written in JavaScript why isn't there an online repl yet

Bálint

:namespace Math {
    pi: 3.1415Lookmait'sapi
}

Upgoat

@quartata ಠ_ಠ that's not how it works

what is wrong with awesome auto-installer script

quartata

@Upgoat yes it is

Maltysen

23:30

@Upgoat it doesn't work >_>

Upgoat

thats your fault

quartata

What's the point of writing it in JavaScript if it doesn't run in browsers

Bálint

@quartata No, because he uses node

Upgoat

works for me on ubutu, rpi, centos, mac, and windows

Maltysen

@Bálint @Upgoat why?

quartata

23:30

@Bálint Node is a tiny thin layer over JavaScript

Upgoat

@quartata sure if you wanna browserify it you can, I too busy to make a REPL

Bálint

@Maltysen What why?

quartata

If he designed it correctly it should be easy

Upgoat

@quartata hahahaha, sure, and python is a tiny thin layer over machine code

DanTheMan

Node isn't that hard to move to browsers

Maltysen

23:31

@Bálint does he use node for everything?

he can probably move most of the js to browsers, keep native stuff in node

Bálint

@quartata You're speaking about @Upgoat

Upgoat

@DanTheMan how do I port fs.writeFile to browser, pls tell

Maltysen

28 secs ago, by Maltysen

he can probably move most of the js to browsers, keep native stuff in node

Upgoat

@Maltysen okay, fine it's possible but I don't have time to do it

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat Uh, just disable it?

Upgoat

23:31

install cheddar from source

quartata

@Upgoat localStorage

Upgoat

do npm install -g browserify

then npm install

then browserify dist/cli/cheddar.js

idk how

DanTheMan

@Upgoat it's on Github right? Just make a thing* for a browser version.
*I don't know the terminology

Upgoat

repo?

DanTheMan

That's it

@Bálint Why would you just say "-"

Upgoat

23:34

his dog

oh wait no that's just Geobits

Bálint

@DanTheMan Oh, it was accidental

I'm not really paying attention to chat

@Upgoat I have a cat

Upgoat

it was bad joke

halp how static propert in chedr

Bálint

@Upgoat I vote to close this as "unclear what you're asking"

Upgoat

;-; y u haet gaots mesij

quartata

I wish I could make a modification to Steam so that it doesn't show any notifications that contain the words "now in-game Overwatch"

Bálint

23:39

@Upgoat I don't hate the message, I hate goats

Upgoat

;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-; y u haet gaot

i haet laoding signs, and ur laoding sine, feelings muchual

Bálint

@Upgoat You answered your question perfectly

Upgoat

wat

Bálint

@Upgoat I don't want to hear that from you

Upgoat

?

;-; balint doesnt liek to hear gaot

quartata

23:41

Holy shit, just found out about this:

Sunspring

Sunspring is a 2016 experimental science fiction short film entirely written by an artificial intelligence bot using neural networks. It was conceived by BAFTA-nominated filmmaker Oscar Sharp and NYU AI researcher Ross Goodwin. It stars Thomas Middleditch, Elisabeth Grey, and Humphrey Ker as three people, namely H, H2, and C, living in a future world and eventually connecting with each other through a love triangle. The script of the film was authored by a recurrent neural network called long short-term memory (LSTM) by an AI bot named Benjamin. Originally made for the Sci-Fi-London film festival...

Upgoat

@quartata Quill ninja'd you to that

Jun 10 at 3:10, by Quill

Science Fiction film written entirely by a neural network

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Is there a universally recognized symbol for increment?

Or decrement?

Upgoat

++

--

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

symbol not symbols

Upgoat

Hey, I didn't make them. blame-dennis

Bálint

23:45

thefreedictionary.com/increment

> (Mathematics) maths a small positive or negative change in a variable or function. Symbol: Δ, as in Δx or Δf

+1 is a small change, isn't it?

quartata

@Bálint That's not what that really means

Bálint

@quartata I know

quartata

I wouldn't trust free dictionary for anything math related

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan then no

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Why not Δ?

quartata

23:49

It's change

Upgoat

^

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2206/index.htm

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan unicode called the middle finger: "REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED". Since when has unicode ever been an accurate source for names?

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