The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-06-17 (page 4 of 4)

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10:01 PM

@El'endiaStarman I figured out the level layout thing

Place the doors right next to each other. That way in order to see into any other doors you have to enter the room and turn around

El'endia Starman

That's certainly one solution.

Tried doing some raytracing with it on paper and it's pretty air-tight, but not very satisfactory

BTW you'll need to make sure you use areaportals so the doors cull appropriately

El'endia Starman

Are these portals you're using one-way?

No

El'endia Starman

What's the room in general like, and where are the doors?

10:05 PM

I tried it with rectangular rooms like this:

|-PP-|
|    |
|____|

Do you really need to worry about infinite lines of sight that much? Portal (for instance) just places a "recursion limit" of 8 of sorts

El'endia Starman

That doesn't seem particularly interesting. Are you thinking that there would be multiple rooms and that they'd be chained via these doors?

@El'endiaStarman Yes. I'm pretty sure it should work for any shape of room as long as the doors are right next to each other like that (I tried it with circular rooms as well)

I did it with 3 or 4 rooms connected together

El'endia Starman

That could actually be pretty interesting.

Another possibility is to elevate one of the doors. If there's a big platform blocking the view from the upper door to the lower door that should prevent infinite line of sights regardless of where the doors are

El'endia Starman

Oooh, yes, the lower door of one room could be connected to the upper door of the next room.

10:10 PM

Yeah, exactly.

I think those two strategies combined could make for fairly interesting level design

El'endia Starman

Yeah. Now I just need to write a game engine. And figure out how to use Portal's rendering engine. :P

Enter...Pytek! Whenever I finish it, that is.

Too bad Source costs $25,000 for a Havok physics license

El'endia Starman

Well dang.

@El'endiaStarman how far are you on Pytek?

El'endia Starman

On the other hand, I don't expect to need the fullness of their physics engine...

@Upgoat I think I'm close to getting functions working, which is one of the huge pieces I need to progress much further.

10:13 PM

cool. Do you have ternaryies yet?

It's built into Source is the problem. If you're making a free mod Valve will pull the strings for you not to pay that (it means people will need Source SDK Base or something) but if you're making a commercial game you need the Havok physics license

Potentially you could try to take that out of Source but it would be a massive pain in the ass

Source 2 is moving away from Havok which is something but for now I'm just telling all the bright-eyed little game developers on the Source SDK forums to use UE4 or something

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat No. Ternaries are an operator (well, two if you consider the ? and : to be distinct). I have the language feature implemented, but no specific operators besides addition.

is addition 1 \+ 2 or just 1 + 2? :P

El'endia Starman

Haha, it's just 1 + 2.

@Upgoat 1 + 2...

10:41 PM

oh ok

Is this because 4 \/ 2 would be confusing?

El'endia Starman

No, it's because \ is for functions.

Functions and operators have distinctly different structures.

oh ok

will tehre be operator overlaodgn

El'endia Starman

I plan to do operator "overlaodgn" like Python does - define it in the class.

To personify +, it will ask its operands how to add them.

@El'endiaStarman hai numbr, im + haow shood i ad u togedr

@Upgoat You should stop drinking avocad juice

10:50 PM

ಠ_ಠ avocad meme is very old

Or, in your langauge

Stap drinkin avoca juic

ಠ_ಠ cheddar-is-not-a-language-its-a-cheese puns are old

@Bálint do u hav hoves too, y is ur handwritng so bad

@Upgoat Let's stop here or we get a free portal to trash

My first attempt at video stabilization:

user image

@flawr such stability very video, much attempt

10:56 PM

feature-request A PPCG country for testing purposes

country?

Golf is usually done at country clubs

@flawr You can technically create countries on unclaimed lands

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@flawr It needs more pixels

There's a huge one on the antarctica

El'endia Starman

10:59 PM

@flawr Very cool. My only gripe is that the rocket isn't vertical. You stabilized it on a rocket and didn't make it vertical!?

@El'endiaStarman I'm happy I'm not the only one noticing that

@flawr did SpaceX not release the original footage? or do you have to use the fotoage recorded off a TV from a potato

@Upgoat Do you mean "with a potato"?

@El'endiaStarman I didn't know yet how to do that.

Looks like early liquid oxygen depletion caused engine shutdown just above the deck https://t.co/Sa6uCkpknY

Tweeted by elonmusk on June 17, 2016 at 12:35 AM

11:00 PM

@Bálint Countries only really count if other countries recognize them as fellow countries

Should the existing catalog questions should be locked? New users are posting catalogs questions thinking they are on-topic

@Upgoat Yeah, my computer is not terribly fast, so for experimental purposes I just used a very low res.

@DanTheMan That's the hard part of it

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Upgoat Are catalog question off-topic?

@Upgoat Historical lock?

11:01 PM

@flawr experimental porpoises? I hope they weren't harmed

@Bálint yeah

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yes

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Meta post?

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Yes, they're, there's a meta post about it

@Upgoat Experimantal purr-goats.

@Bálint A perfect example is Sealand off the coast of Britain that is only really recognized by Germany because of a hostage situation if my memory is correct.

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan There were for a while, but it's not encourage to present them as such, because a lot of people were starting to use the word "catalog" as an excuse for poor questions

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

11:03 PM

I knew that. ^ But I never heard that catalog questions are explicitly off-topic.

@DanTheMan There are 13 not recognized countries, there's Sealand of course, Liberland just between Serbia a Croatia

They're not explicitly off-topic, just... don't call it that :P

El'endia Starman

@Bálint If you don't know what those are, a historical lock is used for questions that were once a good fit for the site, but aren't anymore. They're good, but shouldn't be used as an example.

@Sp3000 Or simply as an excuse for the "I don't want to go back and mark one the answer"

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan they are not exactly off-topic but if you are dubbing your question a "catalog" it's 99% most definitely ready to be closed and heavily downvoted

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

11:03 PM

Now we're trying to say everything is essentially a catalog question.

@El'endiaStarman I know

@Bálint It is always a matter of recognized by whom.

@Bálint That's not true - you can always have a normal question and just not mark an answer

El'endia Starman

@Bálint Alright, just wasn't sure from your question.

@Upgoat Why off topic? Dupe or "I couldn't think of something new" seem more likely.

11:04 PM

@Bálint There are also some countries that are recognized by a lot of countries but not all, such as Kosovo

@flawr You need to be recognized by the 15 biggest countries in the world, USA, Russia, China, France, Germany, etc.

@Bálint Let's map those to the 15 top PPCG users

@HelkaHomba I'm saying they aren't off-topic. But if asked now, e.g. write a cat program. They would be very non-well-recieved. Sometimes new users ask basic questions "add two numbers", thinking they are OK because of existing catalogs.

@DanTheMan Uhm, Kosovo became a separate country some time ago iirc

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

That's because it's boring, not because it's a catalog.

11:05 PM

@Bálint For what?

@Bálint Kosovo isn't recognized by Russia and many other former bloc countries

@flawr To be a real cointry

@DanTheMan Sorry, you need to be recognized by 10 out of 15 biggest countries

@HelkaHomba Sure: Sealand's not a country, the Vatican's not a country but Calka's backyard is a country

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Calka?

@Sp3000 Vatikan is a country

11:07 PM

@Sp3000 s/yard/porch/. But ok

It's recognized by every country

See, that is just always a matter of perspecitve.

@Bálint Define *country*=)

My lawn chair is a throne

@Bálint (The joke was meant to be that if PPCG users get to decide, then I'm casting my votes thus :P)

It is probably just recognized by countries itself recognices as countries. So basically a circle jerk.

11:08 PM

@flawr A country becomes a country, when it's recognized by at least 10 out of the 15 biggest countries in the world

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I don't even know what you guys are talking about.

@Bálint But it still is not a country from the perspective of everyone else. What if all the other countries declare the 15 biggest countries as non-countries?

See, just a matter of perspective

I was wondering the other day, what do countries besides the US call their "liberal" and "conservative" political parties? I know it's not all Democrat and Republican.

(or other parties for that matter)

@HelkaHomba Many probably have more than two significant parties.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Smiizmar, and foochan

11:11 PM

@HelkaHomba Well it depend on how may parties there are to start

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan foochan->fouchan->fourchan->4chan

And also more extreme parties such as communist parties are more common

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

user image

I've noticed that Green parties are pretty common

@HelkaHomba Labor/Liberal, not sure which way around. (Note: yes that's "Labor", not "Labour", for whatever reason)

11:13 PM

@flawr 15 biggest countries by economy. It's not about perspective, it's either in the international association of countries or not

@flawr wat is 4chan

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Ask @flawr he's the one who brought it up.

@Sp3000 Is that all :P

@Bálint Nothing prevents any other countries to make another "true international association of countries"

@Upgoat 4chan.org the nemesis of reddit

@HelkaHomba If you put it that way, every country probably has the odd weird party. But those two are the major ones with any chance at having the Prime Minister (Greens are third, but nowhere close usually)

11:16 PM

@flawr why?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@flawr oh god, Why'd you link to it?

@flawr flags

@Upgoat you asked.

@flawr No, 9gag is the nemesis of reddit

Reddit is in an uneasy relationship with 4chan, but they are definitely not enemies

@DanTheMan solution: use babel? :P

11:20 PM

what about digg or voat?

Flying Spaghetti Monster

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) is the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Pastafarianism (a portmanteau of pasta and Rastafarian), a social movement that promotes a light-hearted view of religion and opposes the teaching of intelligent design and creationism in public schools. According to adherents, Pastafarianism is a "real, legitimate religion, as much as any other." Pastafarianism is legally recognized as a religion in Poland, in The Netherlands, and in New Zealand – where Pastafarian representatives have been authorized to celebrate weddings and where the first legally...

> In June 2014, a New Zealand man obtained a driver's license with a photograph of himself wearing a blue spaghetti strainer on his head. This was granted under a law allowing the wearing of religious headgear in official photos.

Why did you just give us the link to the FSM wiki- oh

thanks New Zealand

cheddar> String.make
Uh, an error occured.
remind me later to make this throw an error, thanks

10/10 most descriptive errors

@Upgoat It's at least more readable than a java crashlog

what should be the syntax for a namespace/module e.g.

<something> Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

11:26 PM

@Upgoat :

@Upgoat namespace

<something>:Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

: Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

Sorry I thought that was obvious

wat

@quartata not module like ruby?

10/10 very ungolfy

11:27 PM

@Upgoat no that's dumb

ok

@Upgoat space?

spacespacemathspace{
spacespacespaecpi:space3.14
}

Do NOT indent with space

@Upgoat huh no i meant

space: Math {
     pi: 3.14
}

What about

11:29 PM

nah I'll just do quartatas suggestion I think

tabmathspace{
tabtabpi:space3.14
}

Use tabs

If Cheddar is written in JavaScript why isn't there an online repl yet

:namespace Math {
    pi: 3.1415Lookmait'sapi
}

@quartata ಠ_ಠ that's not how it works

what is wrong with awesome auto-installer script

@Upgoat yes it is

11:30 PM

@Upgoat it doesn't work >_>

thats your fault

What's the point of writing it in JavaScript if it doesn't run in browsers

@quartata No, because he uses node

works for me on ubutu, rpi, centos, mac, and windows

@Bálint @Upgoat why?

11:30 PM

@Bálint Node is a tiny thin layer over JavaScript

@quartata sure if you wanna browserify it you can, I too busy to make a REPL

@Maltysen What why?

If he designed it correctly it should be easy

@quartata hahahaha, sure, and python is a tiny thin layer over machine code

Node isn't that hard to move to browsers

11:31 PM

@Bálint does he use node for everything?

he can probably move most of the js to browsers, keep native stuff in node

@quartata You're speaking about @Upgoat

@DanTheMan how do I port fs.writeFile to browser, pls tell

28 secs ago, by Maltysen

he can probably move most of the js to browsers, keep native stuff in node

@Maltysen okay, fine it's possible but I don't have time to do it

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat Uh, just disable it?

11:31 PM

install cheddar from source

@Upgoat localStorage

do npm install -g browserify

then npm install

then browserify dist/cli/cheddar.js

idk how

@Upgoat it's on Github right? Just make a thing* for a browser version.
*I don't know the terminology

repo?

That's it

@Bálint Why would you just say "-"

11:34 PM

his dog

oh wait no that's just Geobits

@DanTheMan Oh, it was accidental

I'm not really paying attention to chat

@Upgoat I have a cat

it was bad joke

halp how static propert in chedr

@Upgoat I vote to close this as "unclear what you're asking"

;-; y u haet gaots mesij

I wish I could make a modification to Steam so that it doesn't show any notifications that contain the words "now in-game Overwatch"

11:39 PM

@Upgoat I don't hate the message, I hate goats

;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-; y u haet gaot

i haet laoding signs, and ur laoding sine, feelings muchual

@Upgoat You answered your question perfectly

wat

@Upgoat I don't want to hear that from you

?

;-; balint doesnt liek to hear gaot

11:41 PM

Holy shit, just found out about this:

Sunspring is a 2016 experimental science fiction short film entirely written by an artificial intelligence bot using neural networks. It was conceived by BAFTA-nominated filmmaker Oscar Sharp and NYU AI researcher Ross Goodwin. It stars Thomas Middleditch, Elisabeth Grey, and Humphrey Ker as three people, namely H, H2, and C, living in a future world and eventually connecting with each other through a love triangle. The script of the film was authored by a recurrent neural network called long short-term memory (LSTM) by an AI bot named Benjamin. Originally made for the Sci-Fi-London film festival...

@quartata Quill ninja'd you to that

Jun 10 at 3:10, by Quill

Science Fiction film written entirely by a neural network

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Is there a universally recognized symbol for increment?

Or decrement?

++

--

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

symbol not symbols

Hey, I didn't make them. blame-dennis

11:45 PM

thefreedictionary.com/increment

> (Mathematics) maths a small positive or negative change in a variable or function. Symbol: Δ, as in Δx or Δf

+1 is a small change, isn't it?

@Bálint That's not what that really means

@quartata I know

I wouldn't trust free dictionary for anything math related

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan then no

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Why not Δ?

11:49 PM

It's change

^

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2206/index.htm

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan unicode called the middle finger: "REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED". Since when has unicode ever been an accurate source for names?

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