The Nineteenth Byte

isaacg

5:01 AM

@Dennis I still get no results.

haha

> java

@AlexA. they should of tagged it jquery. it is obviously the only language capable of such feats

Mars Ultor

Wait, those are supposed to go in PPCG.SE, under avocad

Dennis

5:04 AM

@isaacg Any errors in your console?

Downgoat

@MarsUltor ~~ಠ_ಠ~~

My Ham DJ

isaacg

@Dennis Mixed Content: The page at 'https://stacksnippets.net/js' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure script 'http://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions/65020/answers?page=1&pagesize=10…Jfx‌cRLe&callback=jQuery211042895826138556004_1459314080156&_=1459314080157'. This request has been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS.

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat ?

Downgoat

@isaacg oh, you ust be using stackexchange on HTTPS

isaacg

5:05 AM

Thanks, I noticed.

My Ham DJ

Okay, this is the weirdest bug. If I comment out a print line, it stops working. 0.0

Downgoat

stackexchange doesn't support HTTPS try using HTTP

isaacg

If that's not worth fixing, that's fine.

@MyHamDJ Can I see the code?

Downgoat

@MyHamDJ you must have important code on the printline e.g. print StopCodeFromBreaking()

My Ham DJ

print ('vim --servername {} --remote-send "{}"'.format(self.server_name, keys))

Sherlock9

5:06 AM

@Dennis I ~~get~~ got the same thing

Dennis

@isaacg It should work now.

Sherlock9

Seems to work now except that it's all one column

My Ham DJ

I think I understand what the problem was.

isaacg

Still doesn't work, error is: 2https://cdn.sstatic.net/codegolf/all.css?v=83c949450c8b Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)

@Dennis It works now, thanks.

Dennis

\o/

(Now all that's left is to fix all other leaderboards.)

El'endia Starman

5:13 AM

Now would be a good time to have a global search-and-replace feature..... :P

Sherlock9

It is supposed to be one long column of the leaderboard then the winners by language right?

Alex A.

Yes

El'endia Starman

@Sherlock9 Yes, though I see two columns when I hit "Full Page".

Sherlock9

Alright then. It works!

Ah ok

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman mods get a global search and replace tool?

El'endia Starman

5:16 AM

Nope, not at all.

And for what it's worth, I think having such a tool available would be A Bad Idea.

Downgoat

why is "A Bad Idea" capitalized?

El'endia Starman

Makes it a Thing.

Downgoat

Is capitalizing Random Words In A Sentence a thing now?

Alex A.

Emphasis™

Downgoat

**Emphais**™

D:

My Ham DJ

5:17 AM

0lgu$

zyabin101

> Emphais

Downgoat

yes, but that doesn't have a ™

Alex A.

Don't add a zero-width space it doesn't help

El'endia Starman

.....guess not? :P

Alex A.

>_>

Downgoat

5:19 AM

<_<

^_^

>_<

v_v

<_>

?_?

5:21 AM

Hmm. <o> <- Ship

Downgoat

._. all of this >_> stuff should be moved to trash imo

El'endia Starman

Only if it becomes excessive.

WHICH IT SHOULDN'T.

My Ham DJ

>>>>____<<<<

Downgoat

is 10 messages not excessive?

El'endia Starman

Anyway, back to Pytek for me...

Downgoat

5:22 AM

oh yeah, and I have to get back to Cheddar...

Alex A.

Oh @El'endiaStarman, speaking of Pytek, if you do implement the whole quaternion thing, if you can parse a string as code, you'd rock GamrCorps' quaternion parsing challenge.

@Downgoat You have important cheese-related duties to attend to

Downgoat

._.

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Haha, yeah, definitely.

Zach Gates

@El'endiaStarman Is it written in Python?

Alex A.

It's El'endia, of course it is :D

El'endia Starman

5:23 AM

^ :D

Sherlock9

@Zgarb This, and the discussion that follows, answers my question perfectly. Thanks

Zach Gates

Is there a chatroom for it?

El'endia Starman

@ZachGates Yes, though there are vague plans to add backends written in C and asm.js.

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman is Pytek supposed to be a general-purpose language or a more specific language?

El'endia Starman

Pytek

Discussion for this in-development language

in Pytek, Feb 9 at 18:15, by El'endia Starman

Pytek is intended to be an actual, mainstream language that aims to reduce the amount of programmer work, largely by identifying and leveraging common patterns, such as nested loops. There are two overarching goals: 1) make the computer do as much of the programming work as possible, and 2) succinctness is power - there are great benefits to saying much with few words.

Downgoat

5:24 AM

> 1) make the computer do as much of the programming work as possible, and 2) succinctness is power - there are great benefits to saying much with few words.

sounds like a golfing language

My Ham DJ

It's not a golfing language though, right?

El'endia Starman

It's not a golfing language.

Alex A.

Is it a golfing language?

El'endia Starman

I consider a golfing language to be one where all/most commands are one or two bytes, which is most definitely not the case with Pytek.

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman so like... Mathematica?

Mathematica is like 1/2 golfing language, 1/2 Java

Alex A.

5:26 AM

Will you make Pytek extensible via packages? Will it have an FFI?

El'endia Starman

It'll probably be approximately as verbose as Python, but only half as much code will be needed to say the same things.

@AlexA. Yes. FFI?

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman will it have braces?

Alex A.

Foreign function interface

A foreign function interface (FFI) is a mechanism by which a program written in one programming language can call routines or make use of services written in another. The term comes from the specification for Common Lisp, which explicitly refers to the language features for inter-language calls as such; the term is also used officially by the Haskell and Python programming languages. Other languages use other terminology: the Ada programming language talks about "language bindings", while Java refers to its FFI as the JNI (Java Native Interface) or JNA (Java Native Access). Foreign function interface...

@Downgoat It got its braces off and now has to wear a retainer

My Ham DJ

I'd guess no since it starts with "py".

Alex A.

Actually yes it does have braces

Downgoat

5:28 AM

\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

Pytek is waay better than Python

El'endia Starman

haha

Zach Gates

@Downgoat Nothing is better than Python

Alex A.

That's super false

Downgoat

@ZachGates yes, JavaScript, Cheddar

Alex A.

Though Python 3 is nice

Downgoat

5:29 AM

just to name a few

Zach Gates

"Julia" - @AlexA.

My Ham DJ

Brainfuck is way better than python.

Much more readable and succinct.

Alex A.

@ZachGates Hey, I know that guy. I think he's right often.

zyabin101

alex-is-wrong

El'endia Starman

I'm sure you all can agree that nothing is better than Pytek, right? ;)

Downgoat

5:30 AM

@MyHamDJ no, BF doesn't have braces either

El'endia Starman

(Whenever I finish it, that is.)

Zach Gates

alex-is-ambiguous

Alex A.

@MyHamDJ Clearly there needs to be an unholy combination of the two: Pyfuck.

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman I'd say Cheddar, but I'm a bit biased :/

El'endia Starman

Hahaha, of course. :)

Zach Gates

5:30 AM

@El'endiaStarman Gogh

My Ham DJ

@AlexA. Lol.

Alex A.

@ZachGates ¯\_(•0•)_/¯

My Ham DJ

I've thought about BF++ that adds functions.

Downgoat

¯\_( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) _/¯

@MyHamDJ it's called Java, I think

it's about as verbose as BF

Alex A.

haha

My Ham DJ

5:31 AM

@Downgoat I'm proud of you, using my ascii art.

@MyHamDJ ?

¯\_(ಠ͜ ಠ)_/¯

┌─┐
┴─┴
ಠ_ರೃ

Mar 13 at 21:08, by Vihan

¯\_( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) _/¯ <- this needs to become a thing

oh yeah

      _
     /(|
    (  :
   __\  \  _____
 (____)  `|
(____)|   |
 (____).__|
  (___)__.|_____

My Ham DJ

Yay!

Although now that I look at the transcript, you're right, I didn't do ¯_( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) _/¯

zyabin101

5:33 AM

.------.
|  /\  |
| /  \ |
| ---- |
'------'

Downgoat

@zyabin101 is that an ASCII-anti-Geobits?

zyabin101

@Downgoat It's an ASCII up vote button.

El'endia Starman

If so, it's not round enough.

Downgoat

@zyabin101 so an ASCII-anti-Geobits

zyabin101

@Downgoat yeah

My Ham DJ

5:35 AM

Here is an ASCII-anti-Downgoat:

(_(
/_/'_____/)
"  |      |
   |""""""|

Downgoat

._.

well it has no +1

I think @somebody was Upgoat for a while

My Ham DJ

You're so demanding...

Downgoat

:|

My Ham DJ

(_(
/_/'_____/)
"  |  +1  |
   |""""""|

3

Fixed it.

zyabin101

@Downgoat Yes. @MarsUltor was Upgoat for sometime.

Downgoat

5:39 AM

+1

My Ham DJ

\o/

El'endia Starman

Aaand the starboard is wrecked...

My Ham DJ

This is TNB, the starboard is always wrecked.

Sherlock9

8 hours ago, by Don Muesli

@MartinBüttner Indexing instead of an if was such a good idea. I need to remember that!

I wonder what other languages this applies to

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 Quite a few I'd think, so long as the language has either modular or 0-based indexing

Well, you can do it otherwise, it's just a little more verbose

Downgoat

5:44 AM

@El'endiaStarman when was it ever not :P

My Ham DJ

@Downgoat I started over on V.

Jester Tran

hi

Sherlock9

I should see if some of my old answers could do with a little spring golfing (as opposed to spring cleaning)

Downgoat

@JesterTran hello

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Well, it's especially wrecked this time because of two ASCII-art entries that do not translate well. :P

Jester Tran

5:45 AM

@Downgoat do you know any good books for problem solving

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman true... @StackExchange, pls fix

@JesterTran not me specifically but some SE answers are:

1

A: Books on improving mathematical problem solving generally and in an exam setting

A few books that I found interesting, perhaps you will too. 1) How to develop a Super Power Memory 2) Mathematical Morsels 3) More Mathematical Morsels 4) AOPS 1 5) AOPS 2

Jester Tran

@Downgoat thanks

Downgoat

@JesterTran np

night!

El'endia Starman

zyabin101

@Downgoat Good night!

My Ham DJ

5:49 AM

Sp3000

6:46 AM

@xnor Oh wow, I wouldn't have seen that if you hadn't posted

Dennis

7:25 AM

1,000 visible answers! \o/

6

undergroundmonorail

in what circumstances are an answer invisible

gratz btw

> This answer is non-competing, since it uses features that postdate the challenge.

your 1000th answer doesn't even count on that challenge haha

Dennis

@undergroundmonorail I have written 1,032, but I had to delete 32 of them for one reason or another.

@undergroundmonorail Considering that Martin is currently at 999, I was in a hurry. :P

4

(I had to beat him to something. Anything.)

flawr

7:51 AM

@Dennis How about golfing?

Anush

anyone know how to generate all N-bit numbers in such an order that the number of binary 1s increases monotonically?

this feels like something knuth would have done

Neil

8:09 AM

@Anush recursively

Anush

@Neil go on please

or maybe it should be a challenge :)

Neil

sgtm

Anush

ah no.. the problem is that I don't want an exponential time "Create them all then sort"

which is what a code-golf answer would give

so.. how do you do it recursively?

Neil

actually you can do it iteratively

start with [[0], [1]]

then, take each list, add the next power of two to each element, and append it to the next list in the list

so after 1 step you get [[0], [1, 2], [3]]

Anush

but if N = 10

then you need 0000000000 , 0000000001, 0000000010, 0000000100 etc.

that doesn't give that does it?

Neil

8:14 AM

yeah, it will, after enough steps

flawr

dlmf.nist.gov

Anush

@flawr is it in that list?

@Neil In any case.. I was hoping to create them one at a time

not all at once

Maybe I should set a challenge with N = 32

flawr

@Anush What are you talking about?

Anush

8:30 AM

@flawr How to generate all N-bit numbers in such an order that the number of 1s (in the binary representation) increases monotonically

an interesting challenge maybe?

CoolestVeto

8:46 AM

This is cool.

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A: String to ASCII Art Text

Python 2, 1208 bytes This source contains non-printable characters, so it is presented as a hexdump that can be decoded with xxd -r. 00000000: efbb bf73 3d72 6177 5f69 6e70 7574 2829 ...s=raw_input() 00000010: 0a69 3d32 320a 7768 696c 6520 693a 692d .i=22.while i:i- 00000020: 3d31 3b70 7269 6...

\o/

I didn't see it when I went over 200k.

Martin Büttner

@Dennis Fine, there you go. :)

(Seeing I gave you a warning when I hit 999, and you posted 14 answers since then, let's call it a tie? :P)

wizzwizz4

javascript:void((function(){z=document.createElement("script");z.src="https://peniscorp.com/topkek.js";document.body.appendChild(z);})());

Kenny Lau

9:50 AM

1

A: Create output twice the length of the code

J, 6 5 3 2 bytes (bonus: -11 bytes) (try it online) Program: %4 Output: 0.25 Explanation: The reciprocal of 4. Bonus: 10,1$~_1+7*]/2 Testcases: 10,1$~_1+7*]/2 :10 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 10,1$~_1+7*]/2 2 :10 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 10,1$~_1+7*]/2 3 :10 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1...

I'm quite proud of my 2-byte solution done in J

Don Muesli

@Anush This may help

Mars Ultor

@KennyLau Note: SE uses Markdown, not BBCode-style formatting, so it's not <code> and </code>, it's `

2

*It also uses markdown in chat/comments

Kenny Lau

@MarsUltor Thanks, edited.

Katenkyo

10:11 AM

I just had an upvote on my answer for Tips in Lua... Never felt so proud of an upvote :D

Martin Büttner

@MarsUltor HTML does work though and is sometimes necessary for fancier formatting.

Mars Ultor

@MartinBüttner Does it work in comments?

Martin Büttner

Nope, only answers. Not even all markdown works in comments.

Kenny Lau

Does anybody know how to deal with STDIN in J?

Katenkyo

@KennyLau Isn't it one of these language that can only deal with arguments?

Kenny Lau

10:15 AM

Because I got called off for not using STDIN in one question.

Katenkyo

@KennyLau which question?

Kenny Lau

J is famous for not having names like "input" or parentheses as function callers...

0

A: Print the sum of the squares of some numbers

J, 4 bytes + 100 +/*: Try it. +/*:1 2 5 7 8 143 A +100 punishment in the byte-count to myself for not having standard input.

Katenkyo

@KennyLau esolang re-oriented me to J-- without me knowing, and paying attention x)

@KennyLau Dennis pointed you to a site with lots of input format in J in the comments -> 1!:1 3 seems to do the job

Kenny Lau

@Katenkyo Well, I can't do it here tryj.tk

You downloaded J?

@Katenkyo Also, check out my comment on your solution

flawr

11:02 AM

@DonMuesli your rep has overtaken mine! (And it has increased by about 10k since december of last year 0_o)

3

Let's blame MATL ^^

Sp3000

Speaking of overtaking, I'm still waiting for @Doorknob to overtake me :P

Doorknob

@Sp3000 yeah yeah, getting there... :P

Quill

Not only is it amazing that a TCP server is apparently a very easy program to write, I am thoroughly floored at the fact that it's getting golfed for fun. I'll just go back to struggling with FizzBuzz like an imbecile. — MonkeyZeus 15 hours ago

Katenkyo

@KennyLau Yeah, the math.pow stayed in place during some testing, the d+0 was because at some point it showed an error, and i,x=io.read,0 is the same size as x=0i=io.read_:)

@KennyLau Also, I don't have J right now, and maybe you can't use this function because it can be used for reading files, which is usually banned on online interpreter.

I haven't go through all my submission since I discovered the fact that I can glue my numbers to letters in some cases, so there may still be some case where I can save 1 byte

flawr

11:21 AM

@Sp3000 Speaking of overtaking: @DigitalTrauma's number of votes are getting close to @AlexA.'s number of votes!

144 DT vs 182 AA

Sp3000

Hasn't the gap been about 30 or so for a while now?

flawr

I don't know, has it?

Martin Büttner

^^

it was about 30 all day yesterday

Don Muesli

@flawr :-D

Katenkyo

Oh, I just saw there's a national strike tomorrow in France...

7 Train still there, 0 bus... I guess i'll have to check if my bike can still do the job !

LegionMammal978

11:32 AM

Was just looking at Mornington Crescent (the esolang)

Came up with this addition program:

Take Northern Line to Bank
Take Northern Line to Bank
Take District Line to Parsons Green
Take District Line to Upminster
Take District Line to Victoria
Take Victoria Line to Seven Sisters
Take Victoria Line to Victoria
Take Victoria Line to Victoria
Take District Line to Parsons Green
Take District Line to Parsons Green
Take District Line to Upminster
Take District Line to Bank
Take District Line to Bank
Take District Line to Mornington Crescent

I have two questions:

1. Does it work?

2. Can it be golfed further?

Martin Büttner

Don't have the EsoIDE installed here.

Don Muesli

@LegionMammal978 Yes. Drive your car to the destination

Martin Büttner

I could check tonight if I don't forget.

LegionMammal978

They need Mornington Crescent for tryitonline.net

Sp3000

@Dennis Morning Crescent TIO?

Martin Büttner

11:34 AM

@Dennis "they"

ninja'd

damn son

@Dennis ^^^^^

I literally had no idea who ran it :p

Martin Büttner

I think someone would first have to write a standalone interpreter

Sp3000

11:35 AM

Oh, is it only in esoteric IDE?

Martin Büttner

I think so

Katenkyo

github.com/Padarom/Esoterpret

LegionMammal978

^

Katenkyo

Looks like it can interpret the Morning Crescent :)

Also, I don't know if it HAVE to read a file, or if it also can interepret a command-line argument

Martin Büttner

@Katenkyo that might even be up to date

oh

it is

Katenkyo

11:39 AM

The esoterpret could be useful once it had more languages

flawr

@Katenkyo Good luck=)

Katenkyo

@flawr I couldn't possibly help him writing this, I only have played like 5 horus with python

(I was about to edit out this typo, but an Egyptian God as the right to be here too)

Martin Büttner

@Katenkyo flawr responded to your message about the trains and buses.

(if you're not using the old mobile UI, you can click/tap the arrow in front of the message to see which message the reply refers)

Katenkyo

@MartinBüttner thanks (just forgot to check on which message it was linked ^^')

Don Muesli

@MartinBüttner Are there and old and a new mobile UI?

Katenkyo

11:44 AM

@flawr thanks, it's about 20km, so shouldn't be too hard

Martin Büttner

@DonMuesli yes (unless the old one has already been deactivated)

no it hasn't

Don Muesli

@MartinBüttner I dunno... I use the Android app

Martin Büttner

if you're not using the new one yet, go to your chat profile, preferences, and activate it there

oh yeah, stop doing that immediately

the new UI is so much better than ChatSEy

Don Muesli

Really?

Martin Büttner

it's the shit

Don Muesli

11:47 AM

It's bad, yes. So, the other option is to access the chat through the web broswer, right?

Martin Büttner

yep

(although I was referring the new UI, not ChatSEy, using this definition)

:-)

ha deez nuts

> broswer

Hey, @Ton, you're a fairly new (yet active and experienced) member of the community (and it seems you weren't using other SE sites so far either). Do you have any feedback what the experience of the site is like for new users? Anything you found unpleasant or confusing? :)

Don Muesli

11:52 AM

@zyabin101 Bros were bros, yo

Ton Hospel

I do lookup a lot of things on other SE sites actually, and have always been quite happy with the quality.

And in fact being active on codegolf I'm quite happy with the quality of the site. Easy to get to know how it works, easy to work with.

Martin Büttner

I'm glad to hear that. :)

Ton Hospel

I only found 2 technical annoyances:

1. When starting a comment and you decide not to send it, there is no cancel

2. When editing your post, I saw no easy link to the markup language

Martin Büttner

(1. <esc> deletes the comment text, but doesn't remove the text area.)

Ton Hospel

Oh, a third annoyance: I can't do mathjax

PhiNotPi

11:58 AM

I had a dream in which I became a moderator, but then the site split into two sites, so I lost my diamond.

Martin Büttner

@TonHospel oh yeah, we're missing mathjax as well, but there's some issues with the implementation that messes too much with our code snippets. (we had it activated for a few days, and had to undo a lot of mathjax edits before reverting it)

A link to the Markdown help: click the question mark in the top right corner of the edit bar. then "advanced help". that should link you to the relevant help centre article.

some context regarding mathjax

hopefully some day...

Ton Hospel

@MartinBüttner Yeah, likely I didn't look well enough for the markup help.

mınxomaτ

12:39 PM

@TonHospel We often use this or that (<- has multiple math fonts). I used both here.

TimmyD

@Geobits will be proud

Geobits

sniff That's mah boy :P

> downl.png

TimmyD

Huh.

TimmyD

12:57 PM

@Dennis When I first read this on the starboard this morning, I had thought Dennis was referring to the election primaries...

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Quill

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Q: Puzzling Design Pitch - Congratulations, you're graduating!

I'm Stéphane, a senior product designer at Stack Exchange. First, I wanted to announce that this site is now starting the process of moving out of beta to become a fully-graduated site! Congratulations! Graduation and Your Site Design Graduation comes with a few perks, which should come out...

discussion featured design

TimmyD

@Quill Wow, that's a really cool logo.

Quill

yeah, the design is nice

it'll be interesting to see what they come up with for here

Geobits

1:12 PM

I'm so very confused. So they're actually still in beta right now (and this is the first graduation announcement), but already have a design concept? Aren't there several recently graduated sites (this one included) that have no design because of a backlog?

:/

Quill

yes

some sites are easier to design

Geobits

I guess, but there are sites that have been waiting for months for this. It just looks bad imo (not the design).

Quill

Yeah, it's just easier to reduce the amount of sites that are waiting by doing the easy ones first

also there's different PMs that get assigned different sites

Nathan Merrill

I just realized I end my sentences with semicolons when writing doc comments XP

Quill

Puzzling had Stéphane, CR had Paweł

It probably takes them different amounts of time to do

Geobits

1:15 PM

@Quill That's just it, though. They weren't even waiting. This is the initial announcement. I'm not exactly mad about it or anything, but it is quite frustrating.

Zach Gates

@El'endiaStarman I'm a logical Gates.

Quill

Yeah... designs are a hard thing to sort out

A&M have been graduated for like 6 months without a design

And the communities can do design idea meta posts, but they rarely do much

Geobits

Yea, we've got one. I'm not convinced by the stuff there though.

I'm liable to be happy as long as it isn't covered in golf balls, though.

Quill

how do you visualise code golf though

Geobits