The Nineteenth Byte

ven

3:06 PM

ahoy

zyabin101

@ven Arrr!

ven

J is hard. :v

mınxomaτ

There are 1507 characters of source code. However, since there are only 3 bits in a Brainfuck character, and 8 bits in a byte, you get 1507*3/8 = 565.15 then I rounded up. — Mark Wright 19 mins ago

Since when is this acceptable for scoring? Many languages don't use all 256 chars in ASCII (i.e. all 8 bits), so everything would need to be rescaled. I think that is not OK.

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ well I believe it's valid because someone did make a brainfuck interpreter which works that way. If there wasn't the scoring would be invalid

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat Right, but that isn't valid for this text representation at all. All BF programs are counted in Bytes without any modifications. If there is a BF interpreter that accepts 3bit code as input, the post would have to contain a hexdump of that code.

Sp3000

3:15 PM

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Q: Score Brainfuck as 0.5 bytes per char (because it only uses 8 characters)?

I think that Brainfuck and many other esoteric languages almost never win code-golf, because they take many characters to express things. So, overall, Brainfuck programs are longer in bytes, because they use only eight different characters. I think that it isn't fair to give each character one by...

zyabin101

I fail to use jqt (it breaks because the PC hates it /sarc), but I got an HTTP server working. :)

Sp3000

Relevant discussion (and the thread it's a dupe of)

ven

([: # >)"0 ;: 'hey baby bomber cya'

I'm pretty sure this is the worst way to loop in J...

Downgoat

@CoolestVeto did you make a bf-varient with 3-bit chars? I think I remember you talking about making one.

PhiNotPi

@mınxomaτ I put a somewhat similar idea in the sandbox once: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/5394/2867

The difference being that the "entropy scoring method" looks at the characters present in the answer without any information about the language's supported character range (or how many physical bytes it would take to store it).

And so, I believe my suggestion is a valid scoring mechanism, even though I have not found any good use for it (and probably won't in the foreseeable future).

CoolestVeto

3:24 PM

@Downgoat That already exists, though.

LegionMammal978

I don't get why /html/body/h3[a[1]/text() = 'C#'] isn't matching anything on this page

Doorknob

@CoolestVeto it does?

LegionMammal978

Yes, and I made it:

esolangs.org/wiki/CompressedFuck

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 you don't need the /html. /body should do it.

Dennis

@CoolestVeto Even if it did, the language would no longer be brainfuck.

LegionMammal978

3:26 PM

@Downgoat It's selecting from the document node

CoolestVeto

@Dennis Yeah, it'd be a variant, which is what he asked. :P

LegionMammal978

Although I still need to finish an interpreter

zyabin101

Can the J HTTP server load from *.ijs files? I don't see an option for load.

ven

ugh, how to replace stuff in strings in J :/

Downgoat

Does anyone want to vote on what my programming language should be called?

zyabin101

3:35 PM

@Downgoat I vote for <redacted>, but it is ~25% away from the leading candidate.

Downgoat

@zyabin101 which one is <redacted>?

would file extensions for Cheddar be .chdr or .cdr or .🧀?

CoolestVeto

The last. Obviously.

zyabin101

@Downgoat I cannot reveal my votes.

Dennis

dot white square?

Doorknob

that's also what I see

Downgoat

3:38 PM

@Dennis it is supposed to be a cheese emoji

zyabin101

@Downgoat It should be .cheddar.

PhiNotPi

I want to post this challenge soon: Four-Byte Bloom Filter

Downgoat

@zyabin101 -1 not golfy enough

Dennis

@Downgoat It isn't. At least not here.

PhiNotPi

The only issue is that it is undecided whether I should specify the hashing functions or not.

Downgoat

3:39 PM

@Dennis you need to update your emojis then :P

zyabin101

@Downgoat Good news: .chdr is free!

(according to fileinfo)

Downgoat

\o/

Dennis

My point is that a file extension that is nothing but weird on some computers might not be a good choice. :P

Easterly Irk

@zyabin101 Not found though?

LegionMammal978

It seems that XPath strings don't like hashtags

Easterly Irk

3:49 PM

@PhiNotPi Yes, you should.

Nathan Merrill

@zyabin101 all we need now is an acronym for CHDR

cheddar high density reader?

Easterly Irk

allacronyms.com/CHDR

Downgoat

Cheddar Health Data Repository

ven

mmmh, how to "join" a vector of strings by another string in J? it's so hard to google stuff in this language...

Easterly Irk

^

Downgoat

3:51 PM

@ven do a stackoverflow search

@ven stackoverflow.com/search?q=%5Bj%5D+join

Dennis

@PhiNotPi Even if you don't pick two specific ones, you should give a list of acceptable hash functions.

Easterly Irk

I think @CoolestVeto posted a ><> question on SO?

@Dennis Looks like you didn't fini

ven

@Downgoat :o thanks

Easterly Irk

O_O

Dennis

@EasterlyIrk Single quote is dangerously close to Ente

PhiNotPi

3:53 PM

@Dennis Do you have any recommendations?

ven

well, not sure how to interleave now

Dennis

@PhiNotPi All 32-bit functions from here would be an idea.

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Q: Partition a list!

In this challenge, you need to partition a list, where partitions have a max size, a min size, and a preferred size. I'll be using the notation (min,pref,max) to indicate the sizes in this challenge. For those unfamiliar with partitioning, the following list has been partitioned into parts of ...

code-golf set-partitions

Doorknob

@Dennis damm sum

7

Dennis

hahahaha

Downgoat

3:58 PM

Should I have a classes constructor integrated with it's declaration?

e.g.:

class Animal(String: Name, Int: Age) {
   main {
     this.Name = Name
     this.Age  = Age
   }
}

CoolestVeto

@EasterlyIrk I did. I'm the reason for the fish-language tag.

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat you don't need the main section

but yes

Dennis

@PhiNotPi OK, I actually read your challenge now, and you need 5-bit hash functions. Nevermind. My point still stands though. decently independent of one another is not objective.

Downgoat

Should I let binary literals have decimals? e.g. 0b101.1101

Nathan Merrill

if you want to do the work for that...

Easterly Irk

4:08 PM

@CoolestVeto s/language/esolang/

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk esolang ∈ language

Easterly Irk

yeah, but the fish language tag doesn't exist.

fish-esolang does though.

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fish-esolang

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fish-language

oh

site is dead today

yah

4:10 PM

or at least, nobody is interested in my question

Easterly Irk

trying to find an old easy question I can answer so I can have a chatbot account, but yours isn't easy enough...

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk answer Hello, World! in an esolang?

what should the precedence of a sqrt prefix operator be? Usage example: 3+(sqrt8)

Chris Jester-Young

@Downgoat Unary operators usually have their own precedence level.

It'd be at the same precedence level as the - in -3.14159.

Easterly Irk

@Downgoat Trying to answer one in FOG, and already did that as easterly irk.

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk you could answer it in Cheddar

Easterly Irk

4:16 PM

@Downgoat link?

@Downgoat and sure!!!

Downgoat

@ChrisJester-Young the reason I'm wondering is print is also going to be a unary operator, and having to put parenthesis around print will not be good for code golf

@EasterlyIrk the language is not finished yet though, it can't print yet

Easterly Irk

:(

You got my hopes up... ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

Should the literals I have in my language by just Array, Number, and String? Or should I have more

Dennis

Literals or types?

Easterly Irk

^

Downgoat

4:19 PM

literals

Dennis

Character is sometimes useful.

Easterly Irk

Array = literal?

and ^^

also, an expression literal is cool.

ohai @LegionMammal978

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk expression literal?

Easterly Irk

en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Introducing_Julia/Metaprogramming

Read through that.

Like an expression that can be passed, and evaluated later.

Downgoat

I'm going to say expression literal = anonymous function. There is separate anonymous function syntax.

Easterly Irk

4:22 PM

julia has like @some_macro 2+2, which isn't the same as @some_macro 4.

@Downgoat Not really.

Chris Jester-Young

@Downgoat You can make print have a lower precedence if you want to.

Easterly Irk

Basically it is a string, which gets evaluated in most contexts.

Chris Jester-Young

Not all unary operators have to have the same precedence, it's just easier for programmer comprehension.

Downgoat

@ChrisJester-Young yeah, that makes sense

@EasterlyIrk Cheddar will implicitly evaluate most expressions some cases though I'll think about it. Should I have a dictionary or 2D array syntax?

strawpoll.me/7200286

Easterly Irk

self.

this gets weird when you are in a odd spot, i've noticed.

Some places what "this" refers to is ambiguous.

Downgoat

4:26 PM

~~( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)~~ that makes sense.

ven

Dongers!

@EasterlyIrk very good :p

Easterly Irk

what?

I use julia, if that is what you are being happy about?

@Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

ven

No, the fact that "2+2" and "4" do not produce the same AST

zyabin101

@Downgoat I chose <redacted>: Waaaaat! 33% to the lead.

Easterly Irk

AST? and sorta.

Dennis

4:28 PM

@zyabin101 Why do you think that these votes are anonymous?

Easterly Irk

^

I can see exactly what you chose.

ven

@EasterlyIrk syntax tree

Easterly Irk

okay, yeah they don't.

zyabin101

@Dennis Because they are anonymous.

Easterly Irk

@zyabin101 ~~since~~ if I know your IP, I can vote as you to see what you voted for.

Downgoat

4:29 PM

also, should I have private properties to classes?

ven

No

Easterly Irk

^

Dennis

@zyabin101 But there's no reason to keep them secret.

Easterly Irk

^

ven

Keep what? Mod votes?

Well, mod election votes*

Dennis

4:31 PM

Straw poll votes about Downgoat's esolang.

Downgoat

I just realized to assign a function to a variable, the syntax is: :==>

:|

Easterly Irk

^

Downgoat

@Dennis s/esolang/normal language/

Dennis

[citation needed]

Downgoat

Does this class syntax look good?

ven

4:35 PM

Aaah

Easterly Irk

yes.

Downgoat

should the ` character have any use?

ven

4:53 PM

Infix function application!

Haskell is fun

Jelly is absolutely insane Oo

Chris Jester-Young

@ven I believe @Dennis will take that as a compliment. ;-)

ven

Well, that's obviously what it is

Chris Jester-Young

;-)

epicTCK

He is Risen! happy easter...

mınxomaτ

5:10 PM

11

Classic SO.

3

quartata

rofl

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@epicTCK happy easter!

El'endia Starman

@epicTCK He is risen indeed! :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ \o/

Optimizer

what has risen?

Alex A.

5:17 PM

@El'endiaStarman Yeah, I just woke up about an hour or so ago.

El'endia Starman

lol

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Does anyone else think that "lol" looks like \o/, but with the hands just straight in the air?

El'endia Starman

No not really. :P

(At least, not me.)

Alex A.

Oh yeah, it sort of does. And "lol" makes it look like the arms are straight up and waving.

Sherlock9

@epicTCK Happy Easter!

lol \o/ o7

zyabin101

5:25 PM

Easter is May 1st in Russia. But I'm looking forward to it.

Russia is an orthodox country, so the dates aren't the same.

Alex A.

Oh that's interesting, I didn't know that.

Sherlock9

~~Is this how you strikethrough in chat?~~

Dennis

~~Yes.~~

El'endia Starman

---strikethrough---

Dennis

~~ಠ_ಠ~~

6

Sherlock9

5:28 PM

~~Hooray!~~

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

~~this was a triumph~~

Sherlock9

Darn, this guy @ಠ_ಠ is no longer a member of chat

El'endia Starman

♪ I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS ♫

Alex A.

~~I'm making a note here: Huge success~~

ninja'd

Sherlock9

~~It's hard to overstate my satisfaction~~

Alex A.

5:30 PM

~~Aperture Science~~

El'endia Starman

Portal - 'Still Alive'

►

Here, just go listen to it.

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Geordi La Forge Look of disapproval?

Alex A.

hahaha

Dennis

@mınxomaτ I was going to say look of overcome disapproval, but yours is better.

mınxomaτ

I literally just googled "star trek guy with weird glasses", because I never watched it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:34 PM

When Geordi is looking at you with disapproval, you know you've majorly screwed up.

@mınxomaτ ~~ಠ_ಠ~~

Dennis

@mınxomaτ OK, that deserves a ಠ_ಠ with no strikethrough.

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CoolestVeto

@El'endiaStarman Spooky.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

Quick poll: how does println work in a language you use? Does it print a newline before or after the entity?

phase

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ after in every language

Alex A.

^

Doorknob

5:46 PM

literally every single language

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So, print(3) then println(3); println(4) would yield 33\n4 as output, right?

Alex A.

Yeah

Doorknob

yes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Okay. My friend thinks otherwise >_>

Alex A.

With a trailing newline.

Since you used println(4)

Sherlock9

5:46 PM

So, 33\n4\n

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, sorry, what I meant.

Alex A.

If you're Rust though, you get really excited about printing. println!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o_o

Doorknob

Macro syntax.

phase

It's a macro, and macros end in !, so to print you do println!("hi")

CoolestVeto

5:50 PM

Why do you get excited about printing?

Alex A.

It's pretty sweet tbh

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

sounds cool

Alex A.

Printing is the best

Doorknob

@AlexA. Tasting rust: Would not recommend.

9

Alex A.

I'm a connoisseur of fine oxidized metals.

jrich

5:54 PM

so close....

ven

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ after, always

Sherlock9

@AlexA. Well, I have a name for a golfing language if I ever decide to design one: Oxide

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Thanks.

@Sherlock9 ooo wicked

Alex A.

@jrich Close enough

Sherlock9

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You like it? It's yours if you think of an idea to go with it before I do :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:56 PM

@Sherlock9 I always have ideas. Keep the name :)

jrich

@AlexA. precision errors probably >_<

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Sherlock9 You obviously haven't seen how many languages I have made >_>

phase

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 10^10^10^(()_/\//_()__)(_)_()_

3

Sherlock9

Well, I never created a language and wouldn't know where to start. Also, I am about to start what is looking like a heavy semester

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

uh oh

phase

5:58 PM

spaghettios

CoolestVeto

I'm struggling with this language building library.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Can I help?

CoolestVeto

I wanna make it helpful, but I don't want to make it restrictive either.

phase

@CoolestVeto for VSL?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

#ppcgreadytohelp

CoolestVeto

5:59 PM

@phase VSL?

phase

#wewanttohelpanytime ~~becauseweareverylonely~~

CoolestVeto

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sure, lemme pull up a c9 workspace.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@CoolestVeto :D which language?

CoolestVeto

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's in Java.

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