The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

18:00

@Downgoat It means we've identified the small number of bots that are not annoying (the feed bots), and all others are annoying and are not welcome.

wizzwizz4

@Mego That seems a bit harsh...

Does it apply to moderators?

I'm... asking for a friend.

Who wants to know.

Geobits

18:16

@Mego I'm not sure I ever asked him that.

Anonymous

@Geobits What?

Beta Decay

is good idea. thank you. — Marky Markov Feb 8 at 16:53

Anonymous

I think you meant to reply to quartata :P

Beta Decay

Wow, Marky. Just wow xD

Geobits

@Mego The tiny buttons on mobile have struck again :/

@BetaDecay He's very polite, no?

Beta Decay

18:26

He's the most polite bot I've ever seen :D

Anonymous

@Geobits That was before you people corrupted him :P

trichoplax

@wizzwizz4 Mods are not bots. Remember what we rehearsed...

Dennis

@wizzwizz4 We have Beep Boop Maggot for bot testing. Exceptional circumstances (such as a moderator election) aside, bots should not be used in TNB.

wizzwizz4

@trichoplax What rehearsal? *wink* *wink*

trichoplax

Wonderfully human response. Excellent work

wizzwizz4

18:30

They all think it's a joke.

Erm, because it is! :-)

Beta Decay

this seems like it'll be very language dependent, and not particularly golf-able for certain languages... would you consider a popularity contest instead? — Aaron 2 mins ago

Umm... Is that a good a idea or not?

I don't think it is

Dennis

Only if you want to get it closed.

Beta Decay

Haha thought so.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Derive the Units more to come code-golf Challenge Given a list of base units, a list of equations and a target, you must derive the units of the target using only the base units. Example Input Base units: d [m] m [kg] t [s] Equations: v = d/t a = v/t F = m*a E = F*d Target: E Outp...

Anonymous

@BetaDecay It's fine as it is

Anonymous

18:39

@NewSandboxedPosts @BetaDecay Neat idea, but I think we have something similar. No time to search for it now, though.

Beta Decay

Well I couldn't find anything for base units

I'll search for deriving units

Nathan Merrill

If you could redesign HTML, would you include <input type="hidden">?

wizzwizz4

@NathanMerrill No.

If you really want that, you should do it with CSS.

Dennis

Sure. Hiding text fields with CSS seems artificial.

wizzwizz4

Wait... Is that used for pre-filling POST fields?

Nathan Merrill

18:44

right, but semantically, you're saying "this text field shouldn't get input from the user" I think

@wizzwizz4 yep

wizzwizz4

In which case it's OK.

Dennis

POST, GET, whatever.

wizzwizz4

So long as it can't be used to trick stuff into thinking that a user interacted with a page.

Nathan Merrill

I don't really like "hidden" classes, but I have a hard time figuring out whether I like input type=hidden or not

Maltysen

@wizzwizz4 nahhhh, i feel that the "display: none;" thing is for when you might show something later, but the "type=hidden" also conveys some semantic information about what the field is for

Dennis

18:46

type="hidden" says more than just to hide the input field; it implies that it it should not be modified by the user.

Nathan Merrill

right, but we already have readonly

that said, it also implies it shouldn't be visible

but I'm not sure if "shouldn't be visible" is semantic information

Dennis

Hidden fields might contain sensitive information. If the style sheet fails to load, it could get displayed accidentally.

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill i meant more that "this is information that the user did not create but still needs to be sent to the server" is semantic

Nathan Merrill

...if that's a problem, then it shouldn't be there in the first place

wizzwizz4

@Dennis Why would they contain sensitive information? That seems a bit risky, especially with the zealous autocompletes of modern phones.

Nathan Merrill

18:51

hmmm, I think I'd include some attribute which says "additional post/get info", and allow the type to be the actual type of the data

Dennis

@wizzwizz4 That's a point in favor. Autocomplete shouldn't touch type="hidden" fields.

wizzwizz4

@Dennis It shouldn't. I did say zealous autocompletes.

Nathan Merrill

sensitive information shouldn't be on the page in the first place, as the user always has access to it

you could argue that the user's sensitive info could be there, which I agree should be hidden

but it still feels like a bad idea to include it

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill that's actually a really good idea

like you know in html5 you can have booean attributes without value like readonly you can have hidden

Nathan Merrill

right, but "hidden" isn't the name

Maltysen

19:00

@NathanMerrill good point

Nathan Merrill

not sure what I'd name it, but I don't like hidden

Maltysen

"automated"?

Nathan Merrill

sendonly?

Maltysen

is there a pep like thing for html?

Nathan Merrill

heh, there's no way I'd be able to change it :)

type="hidden" is too used

Maltysen

19:02

well it could have backwards compat

Nathan Merrill

anyways, the process is listed here:

w3.org/Consortium/Process/Process-19991111/submission.html

Downgoat

@Mego ;_; y u gotta be so harsh on wizzwizz

Nathan Merrill

oooh, this is a cool idea:

w3.org/community/browserext

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Downgoat

@BetaDecay ;_; even more than chatgaot?

Nathan Merrill

but yeah, if you want to be involved in html's development, there's a bunch of community groups you can join

Maltysen

19:09

@NathanMerrill i actually had an idea to make a transpiler from tampermonkey etc. to all the browser extension things, but using this standard looks even better

Nathan Merrill

yeah. its a long way off, as it hasn't even been officially submitted to w3 yet

let alone approved by them

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill also, this standard doesn't exist yet...

Downgoat

It's cool idea but I'd be surprised if browsers would actually put aside their differences to standardize things to make it not a pain in the ass to make an extension

Maltysen

@Downgoat well my idea was to make a transpiler so that you can write it in the standard and then run it everywhere. kinda like tampermonkey but without users having to install their extension

Nathan Merrill

@Maltysen right. So far, the best info you have is in their minutes

Downgoat

19:12

@Maltysen i think you're better off making polyfill lib

transpiler is difficult

:O you could use Babel! :D

Maltysen

@Downgoat well its the same language, so it can't be that bad

wizzwizz4

@Downgoat I don't mind. I'm used to it.

Nathan Merrill

oh, there is a proposed document

browserext.github.io/browserext

Maltysen

oooooh

@NathanMerrill oh, they want a lot of apis that don't even exists in a lot of browsers

"network request modification"

Nathan Merrill

well, with any standard, that's going to happen

Maltysen

19:18

@NathanMerrill I thought it was gonna be more of a lowest common denominator and give everything the same name sort of thing

also it looks heavily inspired by chrome

Nathan Merrill

I don't think that's the attitude of W3C. The first priority is a definitive, unambiguous statement as to how things should be. Making the transition easy is definitely second to that

Maltysen

i see

Downgoat

19:33

@Maltysen what does this even mean .___.

Nathan Merrill

modifying a network request as it goes out to the server

really cool idea IMO

Downgoat

Oh

@Maltysen that can be faked through overloading XMLHttpRequests stuff right?

Maltysen

@Downgoat that's only for async

these are all requests

New Main Posts

19:48

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Q: Let's draw some Atari ST bombs!

Introduction The Atari ST was a rather popular personal computer from the mid 80's to early 90's era, powered by a Motorola 68000 microprocessor. On this machine, the default behavior of the operating system for uncaught CPU exceptions was to display a row of bombs on the screen, as shown in the...

Syxer

@Mego Look who's number one on r/programminghorror. ;)

mınxomaτ

TIL Google was at ReCon. They talk about exploiting Adobe Flash.

Syxer

20:08

@mınxomaτ She sounds really really nervous.

mınxomaτ

Actually not, there's something wrong with her speech. Her style is pretty confident.

Syxer

@mınxomaτ Her voice is very, very tight. Aside of that, it's fine, and even that gets better over time.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@HelkaHomba nicer. Gradients don't do well w/ the jpeg artifacting that yt uses

DJMcMayhem

tutorialzine.com/2014/06/guess-the-programming-language

Maltysen

@DJMcMayhem 19/20

DJMcMayhem

20:19

20/20 :D

A lot of them I couldn't have guessed, but when it's code I don't recognize and it says "Python, C++, or something else?" It's pretty easy to guess

mınxomaτ

@DJMcMayhem 20/20 that is wayyy to easy.

And I don't even know Ruby, Scala, Python etc.

betseg

18/20 :/

chicken question was hard

DJMcMayhem

Oh yeah, chicken took forever to figure out

Syxer

I was honestly really expecting that to be a trick question

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@mınxomaτ ^^

quartata

20:25

@DJMcMayhem That was trivial.

@WheatWizard I just noticed your avatar is Brain-flak code, hahahahaha

Wheat Wizard

@quartata I really like Brain-Flak

DJMcMayhem

I've noticed. :D

betseg

i cant brainflak ;_;

i can brainfuck tho ^_^

DJMcMayhem

Oh BTW @WheatWizard, I'm not sure if you saw, but martin came up with a shorter multiplication, and Dennis came up with a 60 byte (non-stack safe) modulus

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem I didn't see either could you link them?

Downgoat

20:30

@betseg ;_; gaot can't do either

DJMcMayhem

Uh, yeah just a sec

betseg

@Downgoat poor gaot

DJMcMayhem

15 hours ago, by Dennis

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A: Divisibility test

Brain-Flak, 72 bytes ({}<>){({}[()])<>({}<>)<>({}())<>({}[()]<>){(<()>)}{}<>}<>{}([[]](111)<{}>) Takes dividend and divisor as input, in that order. Try it online!

And I linked to multiplication in the bflak room

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem thank

I believe that Martin Ender tied the existing example

DJMcMayhem

Oh wow, it's even shorter now

PhiNotPi

20:37

Storj update: 10 connected peers and 73 successful contracts, but still only 13.2KB successfully rented out.

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi oh you're doing that?

PhiNotPi

I'm trying

Maltysen

what seems to be the rate atm for you?

PhiNotPi

which rate are you talking about? almost nothing is happening

Number of "contracts" seems to be going up decently (at 78 now) but I've seen almost no actual data traffic.

Nathan Merrill

are you a contributor of it?

PhiNotPi

20:41

I'm "renting out some of my hard drive space"

Nathan Merrill

ah :)

PhiNotPi

mainly to see what actually happens. so far, it seems like supply vastly outweighs demand

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi money rate

Syxer

@PhiNotPi Wait, so, you rent out part of your disk and people connect to it to store their (encrypted) stuff?

That's mad.

PhiNotPi

@Maltysen 0 so far, mainly because (1) only 13.2kb is being rented despite the 150gb I've allotted, and (2) I've been doing this for less than a day and rental rates are really low

@Syxer I know

Maltysen

20:46

@PhiNotPi reddit.com/r/storj/comments/53sv1b/low_utilization

PhiNotPi

cool, I didn't know there was a subreddit. Their official website doesn't explain much.

Syxer

Dude if that gets big that's gonna be incredibly effective storage.

Only problem I see: What if someone then proceeds to wipe their disk just to screw with end users? Is it stored in multiple locations?

Maltysen

@Syxer yeah

each piece of your data is stored in 3 nodes

Syxer

oh sick

Then dayum.

mınxomaτ

23 hours ago, by mınxomaτ

It's basically CloudRAID, but P2P.

Nathan Merrill

20:48

how is "3 nodes" maintained?

rturnbull

Are nodes automatically reallocated if one goes down?

Maltysen

@rturnbull yeah

Nathan Merrill

lets say a part of my HD goes bad, so somebody's block is bad

when does that "change" get noticed?

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill hmmm idk

Nathan Merrill

the next time the user accesses the data?

Syxer

20:49

@NathanMerrill Checksum in Storj's side?

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill faq

@PhiNotPi halp how I SJCX

PhiNotPi

how to get some, or how to set up a wallet?

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi how to set up a wallet

Nathan Merrill

@Maltysen that doesn't answer my question

PhiNotPi

@Maltysen wallet.counterwallet.io

Maltysen

20:53

@PhiNotPi and then to use it, i have to remember my twelve words?

Helka Homba

Can twins tell themselves apart in photos if they can't remember taking the photo?

Nathan Merrill

often times

PhiNotPi

@Maltysen I think there's an option to password-protect it so that you don't have to type the words each time.

Nathan Merrill

I know a couple of identical twins, and they usually have some differences even among twins that have very similar interests

mbomb007

@NathanMerrill Or they wear different colors/styles of clothing. Their parents probably use a system to tell them apart.

Nathan Merrill

20:56

aka, one loves a particuar color, or a particular band/team, or friends

right :)

the parents I know can usually tell by voice actually

Conor O'Brien

@HelkaHomba yes. am twin, can confirm. (not identical, but still a twin)

DJMcMayhem

I used to teach identical twins piano. I still to this day can't tell them apart.

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi my wallet has XCP and bitcoin, it will also be able to stor SJCX, right?

PhiNotPi

I think the same address is used for each of them.

Helka Homba

@ConorO'Brien Well, I meant identical :P

Conor O'Brien

20:58

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi is the storj client made with electron?

PhiNotPi

no clue

Helka Homba

@PhiNotPi I'd worry the cost of electricity keeping a drive running all the time might outweigh benefits (like with bitcoin mining)

rturnbull

@HelkaHomba True, but if you happen to have a NAS running at home anyway, why not rent out some of the free space?

betseg

I slept after i came home from school, i cant sleep now

Halp

Maltysen

21:04

@betseg the solution is to stay on TNB and not sleep until you pass out from exhaustion

betseg

👍 worth trying

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi if I have a connected peer, does that mean the guy is downloading things to me?

PhiNotPi

@Maltysen no, just that your computer is on the network

Maltysen

o

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem I had some twins in my robotics team and I disambiguated them by calling them "twin 1" and "twin 2". Who was which depended on how I was feeling that day :P

DJMcMayhem

21:13

Haha

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi ooh 3 successful constracts

but 0 bytes

flawr

21:26

from here hires version

betseg

> TIFF

ಠ_ಠ

DJMcMayhem

@quartata How do I save in nethack? I know #quit but that doesn't save

Also, is it possible to ride my pony? (I tried out knight)

Downgoat

@betseg ;_; wat is wrong with tiff

trichoplax

Maybe betseg is mixing it up with the other meaning of "tiff"

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Lol, just found the PID for my Logitech headset

It's in like 0.1pt font at most

I needed to grab a magnifying glass to read it

betseg

21:36

I mean, i don't think most programs support TIFF anymore

trichoplax

I think most reasonable ones do. It's a commonly used format for printing

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

^

quartata

@DJMcMayhem Shift+S

@betseg TIFF is pretty common still

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

This is the second time I've tried dealing with tech support

trichoplax

"Reasonable" is pretty broad too - MS Paint supports it...

betseg

21:38

I haven't used it except scanning

;_;

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Hopefully Logitech will be better than Amazon.com

trichoplax

I haven't used it in years myself, but it's still in common usage and widely supported

DJMcMayhem

@quartata ah, okay. Thanks! It seems like it should be #write or #wq or something

quartata

@DJMcMayhem #ride but read the wiki first. As a Knight you can mount a pet as many times as you want but there are still things to keep in mind

betseg

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/42510/reverse-indentation ಠ_ಠ

quartata

21:40

hahaha #wq

trichoplax

@betseg You're in a disapproving mood today...?

betseg

ಠ_ಠ

trichoplax

That doesn't really apply anymore to modern compilers

ಠ_ಠ

@betseg

trichoplax

Oh great, you've summoned @ಠ_ಠ

3

ಠ_ಠ

21:43

I agree

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

ಠ_ಠ

betseg

Lol

ಠ_ಠ

tempted to flag as ಠ_ಠ

4

DJMcMayhem

@quartata :P feature-request for QNH?

Conor O'Brien

new theory: ಠ_ಠ is tricho's sock

3

DJMcMayhem

21:45

@ಠ_ಠ There isn't really anything I need to ping you for. I just like typing your name

Conor O'Brien

CMC: Given N, print ಠ followed by N _ followed by ಠ.

trichoplax

As long as you print it anywhere other than chat :P

Conor O'Brien

echo ಠ_ಠ | tnb

DJMcMayhem

s/|/>

Conor O'Brien

why?

betseg

21:49

2iಠhNi_

Does this work

Done on mobile

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien j*\_Q"ಠಠ

Conor O'Brien

@betseg in what?

DJMcMayhem

@betseg What Lang?

It kinda looks like V

betseg

Vim

Conor O'Brien

maybe Vim

betseg

21:50

Ninja'd

Conor O'Brien

ninja'd x2

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@ConorO'Brien C#, 32 bytes: a=>'ಠ'+new String('_',a)+'ಠ'

trichoplax

Vimjad

betseg

I can't try does 2iಠhNi_ work

DJMcMayhem

@betseg You probably need <C-v>

ಠ_ಠ

21:51

@DJMcMayhem Can I ping you back?

betseg

Maybe an esc after ಠ

DJMcMayhem

What's the code point of ಠ?

ಠ_ಠ

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ '_'

betseg

@DJMcMayhem U+0CA0

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@DJMcMayhem unicode-table.com/en/0CA0

ninja'd

DJMcMayhem

21:52

TY

betseg

too many ninjas but unicode still doesn't have a ninja emoji y ;_;

ಠ_ಠ

IT DOESN'T NEED NINJA, WE ALREADY HAVE ಠ_ಠ

AND THAT IS ALREADY CAUSING ENOUGH TROUBLE

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

11100000101100101010000001011111111000001011001010100000

mbomb007

chat seems pretty spammy [sic] atm.

DJMcMayhem

@betseg 2i<C-v>uca0<esc>Ài_

trichoplax

21:54

@mbomb007 Where is that quoted from...?

Conor O'Brien

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ à² _à² ?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@ConorO'Brien Decode as UTF-8

Conor O'Brien

ɢᴀʜ

flawr

@ConorO'Brien I read that every now and then, what is it supposed to mean?

quartata

@ConorO'Brien I am 99.99% sure he's flawr's sock

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

21:58

^^

mbomb007

@trichoplax Myself. Right there.

Conor O'Brien

@flawr read what?

quartata

Speak of the devil

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

> ɢᴀʜ

flawr

@ConorO'Brien "gah"

trichoplax

21:58

@mbomb007 I don't see any spam, but chat does seem noisy. Is there anything in particular that seems worst?

Conor O'Brien

@flawr sort of like "dang", but more of a throaty sound

quartata

A sound of exasperation

flawr

@ConorO'Brien and "dang"?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

> LegionMammal978: 56

Whoops

flawr

can dang mean damn?

Conor O'Brien

21:59

@flawr like damn, but for nice people

:P

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