The Nineteenth Byte

Dennis

11:01 PM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC That's 131. Should I round to 2 hours?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis sure, why not?

+1 ban experience

Ban of any sort count, throughout my internet history: 4

3 -> PPCG
1 -> SO question ban (I no longer have it) (I know, it's a shame)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis yes. definitely.

DJMcMayhem

... Are you asking for a ban?

El'endia Starman

Maybe we could make it 2 days to make the experience even better.

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Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis what happened?

@Dennis I love the copy snipped feature on TIO btw

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:07 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC posted a ಠ_ಠ with 131 underscores to be annoying, replying to a message that requested kickbans for users who post long ಠ_ಠs

Dennis

3 hours ago, by Martin Ender

New rule proposal: the number of _ in ಠ_ಠ represent the number of minutes of suspension you are asking for.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis oh, I missed the 131 underscores

@Dennis I just got on

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC why do you want to be banned?

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala You have Mars Ultor and NBM to thank for that.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

(it was a joke)

Dennis

takes finger off red button

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:10 PM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Well, it wasn't a very well thought out one obviously.

@Dennis red buttons don't make you itch to push them?

Dennis

They certainly do.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Are ban tools for mods actually red? I know it sounds like a silly quesiton

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noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

my profile pic should change soon.

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala They're actually orange, like all buttons in chat.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis oh, lol, on a more serious note, is it acceptable for me to take a sight specific feature request to mother meta? The anti tab expansion post has 40+upvotes, and I would like to see an official response on it. (Full disclosure it is my post).

DJMcMayhem

11:13 PM

Kind of a random question, but are site-specific mod rooms visible to mods from other sites?

Jonathan Allan

We need a "golf me a site design" challenge before the site design is done...

trichoplax

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Should be showing the new one now

flawr

do we have any news about the design?

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem No.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@trichoplax it's a broken image icon for me

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:14 PM

@Dennis :/ they need a better color scheme for beta sites IMO

Jonathan Allan

dunno, I'm awaiting my puzzling t-shirt and stickers!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@RohanJhunjhunwala wrong ping i think

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis I figured

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC slow clap

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@trichoplax it is on my message send box, but not next to me messages

wait nvm

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:15 PM

shit

@trichoplax I thought you were the goat >_>

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

that avatar change

trichoplax

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It shows on messages for me. You might need to also refresh the page, or wait for caching..

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

so amazing

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

> wait nvm

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:16 PM

@Downgoat feature-request inverted color avatar

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ sarcasm or...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

sarcasm.

trichoplax

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Wow caching is quick nowadays :)

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

yep

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it's generated

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ik

Dennis

11:17 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala Oh, I was working on an answer to that questions. The initial decision to strip control characters was due to a security concern. That said, if the request is only for PPCG, it has no place on Mother Meta; they'll just migrate it here.

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Then the confusion cycle will be complete

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I found this super NSFW super scary avatar I'm gonna change it to:

AHHHH CAN'T UNSEE

Jonathan Allan

@Dennis whats the syntax I should use for nfind, it seems to be getting in there with only one link maybe: larg += 1 saying 'int' is not iterable with Œ!Ç1#

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis would tabs be a substantial change? Please do ping me so I can take at the answer. The change might also interest stack overflow and code review.

I do see how allowing null bytes and such would present massive abuse opportunity, but I would think tabs are safe to allow.

I have no knowledge though, so I do really want to see the implications in some more depth

Dennis

11:21 PM

They we're also worried about backspaces making the code look like it does one thing, but actually does something else. I'm not sure how that applies to websites though, hence the little investigation on my to-do list.

Jonathan Allan

@Dennis - oh wait, my Ç will return an int though - it's not like filter; "matches"...

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala Tabs should be fine. I have no idea why they would xonvert them in the first place... Since it's your discussion, you'll get an inbox notification anyway.

@JonathanAllan What are you trying to do?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis so would you say that I should leave it on this meta as it is essentially a sight specific feature?

Jonathan Allan

Was trying to replace a filter with an nfind. But that wont work

Don't worry :)

was for this:

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A: The 3x3 Hexa Prime Square Puzzle

Jelly, 34 30 bytes i@€ØH’ s3µ;ZÇ€ḅ⁴µ>2aÆPẠ Œ!ÇÐfḢ (I should be able to use an nfind to just fetch the first match, 1# in place of ÐfḢ, for less bytes and more speed, but I'm seeing errors when I try) Brute force search of all permutations, filtered for the criteria, returning first match. Way...

Dennis

To find the first match? Sure, that should work. Might not be shorter though.

Jonathan Allan

11:25 PM

yeah to find first match, the link above is returning truthy/falsey and currently used to filter the permutations

Most probably there is a better way to do the whole thing though!

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala I don't think it would make sense to allow, say, vertical tabs or formfeeds on SO, but tabs should be left untouched everywhere (at least on other coding sites) imo.

DJMcMayhem

I'd agree. I think it would be good for MM

Dennis

@JonathanAllan Oh, your going through permutations? # only works for numbers...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Can I get kicked from Trash?

Jonathan Allan

The error now makes sense.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

11:28 PM

@Dennis I'll wait for your answer, and then after knowing all the facts I'll put up a feature request on mother meta as it seems like tabs should be untouched on across most sights.

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC it is essentially a normal chat room

You can theoretically chat in it too

Dennis

<k><link><n> finds the first n integers, not less than k, for which link returns a truthy value.

Hm, if <k> is an iterable, it should do what you were expecting though. Not sure why I never thought of that.

DJMcMayhem

@RohanJhunjhunwala I'd say just go for it now. I think it makes sense on every site, and I am very eager to see it implemented. It might be worth mentioning the benefit to other sites along with PPCG

ASCII-only

> 50 bounty for the shortest (not the first) solution that has no asterisk in the code. This includes hex ordinals, decimal ordinals, and other cheating methods, which aren't allowed.

What how is this possible without ordinals

DJMcMayhem

What's the challenge?

Jonathan Allan

you mean it should as in larg += 1 should be changed?

Dennis

11:32 PM

Character arithmetic. I do wish we could close bounty descriptions as u clear though.

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem this

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@DJMcMayhem should My mother meta post just contain a link to the ppcg meta, and explain the benefits of such a change?

Dennis

@JonathanAllan Yeah, that should roughly be next(larg) (with a few more changes).

@RohanJhunjhunwala A link-only question? Good luck. :P

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis sorry, I didn't make that clear enough it would consist of a link embedded within a paragraph about the proposed benefits.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

link it yes, but copy a good bit over to the mother meta

you should be able to understand fully from mother meta also

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

11:34 PM

^ will do

Dennis

Explain thoroughly why you think it's useful. I'd mention whitespace-sensitive languages such as Python first and leave this oddball community as an afterthought.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis Python was my primary case, especially for SO and code review

It would be hard to argue the whitespace programming language as a legitimate use

Dennis

And ServerFault, and SuperUser, etc...

trichoplax

@Geobits your avatar looks quite halloweeny inverted

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala Makefiles also require you to use tabs, so while a well-written Python with consistent identation should still work after the change, copy-pasting makefiles is impossible as is.

You can get around the tabs with some nasty hacks, but well-written makefiles have tabs.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

11:41 PM

@Dennis that sounds like a strong argument, thank you.

Downgoat

So today i went to UCB for a thing and someone there knew about Upgoat Downgoat challenge which was crazy coincidence

DJMcMayhem

@ASCII-only It's definitely possible

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Did you exclaim "Hey! I'm Downgoat!" and have everyone look at you in confusion? :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat woah

Downgoat

lol no

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

11:43 PM

did you say you were the author?

and how did they know?

Downgoat

from github

I was demonstrating cheddar

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

?

@Downgoat woah nice

link me to UCB?

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ berkeley.edu

El'endia Starman

University of Chicago in Boston.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat oic

my uncle teaches there iirc

Downgoat

11:46 PM

cool

Jonathan Allan

def nfind(links, args):
	larg, rarg = args
    if type(larg) == int:
        larg = itertools.count(start=larg, step=1)
    matches = variadic_link(links[1], args) if len(links) == 2 else last_input()ound = []
	while len(found) < matches:
		if variadic_link(links[0], (larg, rarg)):
			found.append(larg)
		larg = next(larg)
	return found

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Hey, those who were interested in my post regarding tabs, please do take a look here to help make this change happen. The post I am about to link is mine, so please do not take offense at this "self-promotion". I really am trying to get this beneficial change to be made.

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Q: Expansion of Tabs

Do we need to change all tabs into four spaces? I while back I proposed a code golf specific feature request. I now come to this community to discuss how this feature may be interesting to many sites throughout the network. In sights that are not technologically oriented tabulation may present...

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ASCII-only

> in sights

Jonathan Allan

hmm not sure what happened with fixed font formatting :/

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ASCII-only fixed

ASCII-only

11:53 PM

> cites

mınxomaτ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Sure, it might be a good idea to just post the SC links there and the perfect place for the transcripts @El'endiaStarman asked for. Life is happening right now, so I'm a bit swamped atm. Apologies for that.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ASCII-only wow oops

El'endia Starman

And "I while back" should be "A while back".

Qwerp-Derp

How hard is my question (in terms of scoring > 2000)?

Jonathan Allan

doesn't like tabs I suppose...

def nfind(links, args):
    larg, rarg = args
    if type(larg) == int:
        larg = itertools.count(start=larg, step=1)
    matches = variadic_link(links[1], args) if len(links) == 2 else last_input()
    found = []
    while len(found) < matches:
        if variadic_link(links[0], (larg, rarg)):
            found.append(larg)
        larg = next(larg)
    return found

@Dennis like that ^ ?

Qwerp-Derp

11:54 PM

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Q: A game of atomic proportions

Your task make a bot that plays Atomas, with the highest score. How the game works: The gameboard starts with a ring of 6 "atoms", with numbers ranging from 1 to 3. You can "play" an atom between two atoms, or on another atom, depending on the atom itself. You can either have a normal atom, or...

code-challenge game

ASCII-only

In the last paragraph there's unbalanced parentheses

Qwerp-Derp

</shameless advertising>

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ASCII-only relevant xkcd

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp Uhm, yes.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Brains aside, I wonder how many poorly-written xkcd.com-parsing scripts will break on this title (or ;;"''{<<[' this mouseover text."

mınxomaτ

11:55 PM

)

Qwerp-Derp

@RohanJhunjhunwala Please no

Jonathan Allan

....or almmost, I guess need to start at one less and generate before the variadic link call

Qwerp-Derp

@mınxomaτ (Clever sideswerve of question)

Dennis

@JonathanAllan Similar, yeah. (Can't test from my phone.) The type check should probably special-case list though, since nfind current works for floats and complex numbers.

Jonathan Allan

Ah. Well it wont work as I posted it I dont think... I'll have a play.

mınxomaτ

11:57 PM

In other news: Looks like the awesome guys over at Fastly will be sponsoring the bandwidth for my future alwsl releases. Though the negotiations are still in progress.

Dennis

@JonathanAllan Sorry for not reviewing your pull request yet. Every time I remember, I'm not at a computer. >_>

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