The Nineteenth Byte

downgov

@AlexA. Don't know. I don't really watch TV anymore.

oooh, downgoat.golf

Only for $69.99

yo dennis

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Golf is an expensive sport.

5:05 AM

@Dennis

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ yes, I play it for the expensive price of $0.00 on PPCG :P

6. ' is the new flatten hyper, preventing automatic vectorization. jelly.tryitonline.net/#code=MSwwYSczLDQ&input=

you're an admin

(not jelly related question)

but

what exactly does a helpful flag mean?

Mod, not admin.

oh

well do you know what a helpful flag means

5:07 AM

Helpful flag means that you flagged a post, and a moderator marked it as helpful or took an action that automatically marked it as helpful.

but what is defined as helpful

k

It ultimately up to the moderator. For example, if you flag a comment for deletion, the flag was helpful if it got deleted. Could you join me in The Nineteenth Byte? This is a bit off topic for the room.

sure

more people yay

shit

I'm getting 404 errors

@Dennis

5:11 AM

← 16 messages moved from Jelly

→ 1 message moved to Jelly

Well there's a warm welcome if I've ever seen one

why am I getting 404 errors? :(

haha

5:13 AM

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ I meant real golf.

@Cyoce We all laugh at your expense.

@ws04 Was the comment flag example helpful?

well somewhat

hey mods/admins

Hello!

is there a definition for "helpful flag"

Can I has some feedback on that design?

5:15 AM

@ws04 Well, a moderator will a mark a flag as helpful if it was useful in alerting us to content that requires moderator intervention.

I feel like the green's too dark for my liking.

Q: What does the helpful flag mean?

129

I don't see "Helpful" in the list of things I can do when I press the flag link. In my profile page I saw "6 helpful flags." How do I earn these flags? May I make them on other peoples' posts or comments? This is what I am talking about:

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ I don't like the site logo. Does that count as feedback? :P

@AlexA. Why??? I designed it w/ the help of Dennis!

5:17 AM

Code Review uses the brackets and the laurel wreath make no sense to me.

Just my opinion. I know a lot of people really like it.

The code in the background is too verbose for the code golf site. and is that.... Java?

@AlexA. That's a wreath.

@Cyoce It's the top voted answers from the Hello World challenges

Competition.

I know what it's supposed to symbolize

I'm just not a fan of the design. Personal taste. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

5:18 AM

I tried to make a logo, only if I could find it

ok well the meta site helped thanks @Dennis

@AlexA. Ah I see.

@AlexA. s/olive branch/laurel wreath/

@Dennis No one said anything about olives.

mod abuse eleven

5:20 AM

@AlexA. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Wait a sec... Code Review doesn't have brackets as its logo. Wat?

They're the badge icons

Pssh. We're okay, as long as it's not part of the logo. Now with LaTEX, that's a different story.

s/TEX/TeX/g

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Oh yeah, the logo does seem to stand out better.

I ~~tonned~~ toned down the green

5:25 AM

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ I like it.

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ \o/

What everyones' favorite monospace font?

I think the green of the tags is a little bright and eye-pain-inducing

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Toss up between Inconsolata and Adobe Source Code Pro

would anyone like to contribute a Hello World program for the background?

"Hello, World!

5:29 AM

print("Hello, World!")

._.

> When the wavefunction of a system is written as a linear combination of the eigenstates of an observable such as position, the squared modulus of the coefficient of the eigenstate is the probability of obtaining the corresponding eigenvalue as the result of a measurement of that observable.

mine covers PlatyPar and just about any golfing language

Not CJam

IIRC quotes have to be matched in CJam

@PhiNotPi: I love the fact that I understand most of this. :P

5:30 AM

> just about

> about

> a

>

` `

Cyಠce

5:32 AM

Yಠs?

Hಠllಠ

Hಠi

\ಠ/

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ DejaVu Sans Mಠnಠ!!!

It renders well for Funciton answers too.

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ I went with Inconsolata

@Cyoce Celebratory Cyclops Elvis

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Note that Code Review's design uses Inconsolata.

5:34 AM

@AlexA. It that good or bad

BAD

GOT IT

I think it looks wonderful, but it means that we stand out less.

so should I use wingdings? :P

maybe CJam should be modified so quotes don't need to be closed. ಠ_ಠ

5:35 AM

Maybe we should entirely copy Code Review's design but invert all the colors and replace the text with colorful Comic Sans.

though this is for the header background so I doubt anyone will notice

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Oh then use Papyrus.

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Is that monospaced?

No

@AlexA. Screw that

Try it I'm seerus

5:36 AM

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ You're the one who suggested it :P

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ You're Seadrus?

> seerus

@AlexA. No I'm seerus

(serious c'mon)

Oh, okay.

@AlexA. and change the site name to weiveR edoC

@Cyoce -1 not compressed

That's better: Áè¯y

5:39 AM

or even better

ʍǝıʌǝɹ ǝpoɔ

For a site that specializes in shortening things, we sure do have a long name.

</>golf

That's much better

Actually, {golf} would be pretty good too.

Except for LaTEX...

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ s/TEX/TeX/g

^

LATEX =\= LaTeX

5:41 AM

Oh sorry

Apology accepted.

{}⛳

That good?

detpecca ygolopA

3 chars, 5 bytes

Not bad

We have to optimize byte count if we want to win the Internet

5:43 AM

^

Anonymous

We take a byte out of crime here

@AlexA. Just make a custom code page. Duh!

(Right?)

@Mego HAH HAH HAH.

That's clever but also makes me want to vomit. So... good job?

Anonymous

\o/

Anonymous

Woo Strunk & White!

Anonymous

5:46 AM

My obsession with adding syntax highlighting to everything has paid off!

デッニス

@Mego Woot, nice!

gtgbai!

gn

gb

Anonymous

gesundheit

finally got the shade of green right imo

Sp3000

5:48 AM

@AlexA. デニス should be fine I think

@Sp3000 Oh really? Okay

5:58 AM

translate: デニス

(from Japanese) Dennis

OK, I did not see that coming.

Sp3000

Interestingly でにすdoesn't mean anything, so Google Translate gives the translation for デニス instead

The moment when you've already put cereal in the bowl and realize you're out of milk (◉_◉)┛彡┻━┻

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ Better run to the store

Nah, that's too far. I'm just gonna ask a neighbor.

6:15 AM

Add a little water and grind it into a paste

> aggressive probing

wat?

> AGGRESSIVE probing

> Use probing aggressively

> Use

> probing

> aggressively

Someone was angry while writing that.

Perhaps angry.

Perhaps... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anonymous

6:40 AM

Nice job killing chat, brosephus

7:06 AM

@AlexA. sensual probing.

Thomas Kwa

7:23 AM

Sorry to link to my sandboxed challenge so soon, but

in meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8198/39328 should I have a sock drawer simulator, or ask for the probability of the pair of socks being a certain color?

7:55 AM

@ThomasKwa simulator. Then you can say it's a "game", put it on steam, and it will become a YouTube sensation.

code-golf graphs networking

9:04 AM

0

Q: Draw a network of nodes

There is a network of upto 26 nodes (named A to Z). Every pair of nodes may be connected or disconnected. A node may be connected to atmost 4 other nodes. Your task is to draw the network in a 2D diagram. Input will be given such that this task is possible. Format Input Pairs of letters (A t...

9:33 AM

@Thrax Just runned The keeper with Ideone, it works well

Couldn't tell you which version of lua they use, but this bot should run under all lua 5.1+

@mınxomaτ what is TrackMania?

@zyabin101 A game where you drive a toy-car on some crazy circuit

@Katenkyo Where can you download it?

@zyabin101 I think you could find it on steam. Never played, so can't say

@Katenkyo Oh, so it's paid. Too bad.

9:37 AM

hehe, most games aren't free ^^

daniero

10:06 AM

@Doorknob Oh wow :) thanks!

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

11:00 AM

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ Why not making everything red instead of green?

@zyabin101 There is a free version.

trackmaniaforever.com

Tried it on Firefox on Windows #anarchy

New Sandboxed Posts

11:44 AM

0

Can my 4-note music box play that song? code-golf I have a crank-operated music box that can play a series of four notes. When I turn the crank, it plucks one of four strings, depending on the position of the crank and the direction of the turn. When the crank is turned due north, the box (with ...

Doorknob

12:08 PM

@AlexA. I dunno, I've never used vim with Java.

1:30 PM

6

PhiNotPi

What's up with the weird formatting? It is because the post was deleted already?

I think so. I wanted to trigger Doorknob, but the question was deleted.

2:52 PM

@NewMainPosts Congrats for the first picture joke!

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

3:16 PM

Someone here does have a list of the new posts bots' jokes?

New Sandboxed Posts

4:21 PM

0

Solve a 0h n0 board code-golf 0h n0 is a very simple and enjoyable game. It's a bit like soduko or minesweeper. Game rules (I recommend the tutorial in the game if you can use it, it is very good and simple) 0h n0 starts out with a n*n board filled with the preset pieces. 0h n0 has 3 types o...

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

4:49 PM

CuteWinFail: Dog Sled

►

New Sandboxed Posts

6:45 PM

0

Are there brackets in disguise? code-golf Someone's given us a string, but all bracket-like characters have been changed into normal ones, and we don't know which, or even how many there were. All we know is that if L1,L2,L3,...,LN were different kinds of left brackets and R1,R2,R3,...,RN were ...

Q: Can my 4-note music box play that song?

3

I have a crank-operated music box that can play a series of four notes. When I turn the crank, it plucks one of four strings, depending on the position of the crank and the direction of the turn. When the crank is turned due north, the box (with its strings numbered 1 through 4) looks like this: ...

code-golf

^ is good

Thats a cool challenge=)

if there's a Less is More category in Best of 2016, I hope I'll remember this :)

PhiNotPi

Is there any language with a preturn keyword? Something that sets the return value, but processing inside the method continues.

6:56 PM

something like yield?

processing doesn't exactly continue, but if you call the function again, it picks up right after the yield

keywords: generators, co-routines

@PhiNotPi Threads?

PS: Still listening to other pieces by kalinnikov, really like this guy's music.

Q: Make an efficient Functional-basic implementation

7:11 PM

0

About Functional-Basic Functional-Basic (FB for short) is a language that only allows numbers and lists. Basic features, such as the if statement are missing in an attempt to simplify the language. Everything in this language is immutable. Basic operators Note that you must support the order ...

fastest-code

This room died :(

RESUSCITATION

Y'all have an extremely liberal definition of death.

It's probably just me :P

No, it's not just you. :P

Oh, okai

Well, everyone besides you and me are dead.

7:23 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ the room didn't die. It's just... inactive at work hours.

And zyabin101 too.

@zyabin101 Oh, right.

#eastcoastsnowdays

@zyabin101 hahaha. haha.

Who here is working & on the chat? :3

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Martin Büttner, for example.

actually, it's ~8.30pm and I'm at home

7:26 PM

Yeah, Martin's not an east-coaster.

@Geobits Han Solo can.

I'm about to implement LZW encoding.

everyone take cover

AHHHHHH hides in corner of the chatroom

Thankfully, I have this to help.

7:28 PM

What ticks me off is that my peers use carets in texting to refer only to the message directly above theirs, and more carets = emphasis >_<

So ^^^^^ means OMG THIS IS SO <emotion>

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rainbolt

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why are you so excited about implementing LZW coding?

I think that's what some people took it to mean in here until I came and messed everything up. :P

@Rainbolt XD

@El'endiaStarman Good for you :P it makes things much more "clear"

aye ^_^

Who needed the respond button anyhow.

7:31 PM

That music box challenge seems familiar ... didn't we have a challenge where you had to see if you could type a PIN without lifting your finger or something? Seems like similar algorithms could work here.

AHHHHHH hides in chatroom exit

Perhaps. I'm thinking of calculating the delta list. i.e. [1,2,3,1] => [1,1,-2]

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ chat calls the ^ signs carrots.

@TimmyD it's not just adjacency though, since the numbers here correspond to undirected edges instead of vertices.

@zyabin101 oh well.

7:32 PM

@zyabin101 That's a pun on the proper name carets.

@MartinBüttner Ah, I see. Yes, that's a subtle but important distinction. Good challenge.

Also, Martin Büttner is a chat ~~moderator~~ fun policeman. So he works in chat.

double ninja'd

@flawr Ooo, ninja'd me by a couple seconds on that new user answer ... >.>

that's what you get for making a comprehensive comment :P

quartata

7:42 PM

Literally three comments on that answer in 30 seconds

Hah

quartata

That poor user

> Welcome to Programming Puzzles and Code Golf! GOLF YOUR STUFF NOW

I would delete mine, but it's the only one that points to the help centre :P

quintopia

@quartata which one?

A: Can my 4-note music box play that song?

0

implementation in python: PICKS = 4 START = 1#what indice the numbering start from to compensate the indices for modulus def str2int(s): return (int(s)-START)%PICKS def check_pos(pos,pick): if pos is None: return None pick = str2int(pick) if pos==pick: return (po...

7:50 PM

@quartata You could swap "PPCG" for "Programming Puzzles and Code Golf" and save 29 bytes

Is there any way I can spend all the bytes that I have saved so far???

wat... since when do post-deletions give Ajax updates?

Oh, like a fair, where you can turn in tickets for stuffed animals.

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner since "sometimes I will work, sometimes not"

@flawr you can spend them on cookies

@flawr can buy his own workspace for code golf with the bytes he saved.

7:57 PM

@flawr You can buy a larger sector of the corners of the chatroom

Hmm ... challenge idea ... given a table of "point values vs stuffed animals" (e.g., a stuffed rabbit is 100 points, but a stuffed tiger is 500 points) and an input list of answers all by one user, calculate and output what stuffed animals that user could afford, if one byte = one point

I may have to flesh that out some more...

Something interesting to note: If you take the delta of the input as a list, no true cases have a 2.

So many levels of ninja

Ninjaception

That's because people here are really helpful. It's all about the "Wow, that's cool!" rather than "Grr, you beat me!"

@apsillers Dang, props on having a working Game of Life in your SO profile ...

8:19 PM

@TimmyD Thanks :) it was fun to make; I also have it deployed in the Github README for the projecct repo

WHAT THE HECK. HOW?!

@El'endiaStarman You must learn to see the ebb and flow of HTTP requests :P

I think I confused the Apple representative I'm chatting with about my computer...

I'm explaining the process of how I bypassed the wifi card with ifconfig in order to be able to boot, and he hasn't responded for 5 minutes.

@FlagAsSpam Not that difficult, usually ...

@TimmyD sigh

8:25 PM

@El'endiaStarman But seriously, what happens is each image in the grid asks the HTTP server for something like GET /xy where x and y are grid coords, and the server decides - based on game state -- whether to serve a white or black image

Yeah, I read the README on GitHub.

Oh, right I already wrote all that down :P

I'm still incredibly impressed that you pulled that off.

what I'd love to do is make a real-time interactive game with partially-loaded GIFs

where when one player makes a move (e.g., in a chess game) all the images load a second frame of a GIF for the other player

to render the updated board state

GIFs, you say?

I'm actually working on a Python script that generates gifs, which I'll use to develop a render-to-gif feature for Variations of Life.

8:31 PM

neat!

Yeah, i just to explain my idea in a little more detail: imagine a GIF that loads very slowly -- you get one frame, but for some reason (network latency?) the next frame takes a long time to load

@AlexA. I'm the TOP ninja, I win!

\o/

@apsillers I thought you were @quartata. O.O

But in this case, the long load is due to the server deliberately withholding the second frame, because it's going to build that frame based on the actions of another user

@FlagAsSpam I get that a lot -.- :)

The GIF specification definitely allows for that.

8:33 PM

Is quartatartots' current image a GoE?

yas

Thought so.

@apsillers That's ... interesting. I wonder what sort of timeouts on the browser-side you may run into.

@TimmyD Yeah, there probably will be a timeout, so it's maybe best to games that require a quick response (maybe build in a game-based time limit to forfeit a turn to encourage a fast response?); also, the browser will show a load-spinner the whole time, which will probably be annoying

@apsillers Your image has reminded me that I'm sad that @quartata changed his image. ;(

My heart aches for that picture to come back. ;c

8:39 PM

Aww :(

It was a fine glider

This is also a fine glider

Aww so cute!! <3

Dude, sugar gliders are insanely cute.

IN. SANE.

God dammit, I love cute animals. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

8:55 PM

They are so sweet.

</pun>

haha

I think we could make a challenge out of this:

Fold-and-cut theorem

The fold-and-cut theorem states that any shape with straight sides can be cut from a single (idealized) sheet of paper by folding it flat and making a single straight complete cut. Such shapes include polygons, which may be concave, shapes with holes, and collections of such shapes (i.e. the regions need not be connected). The corresponding problem that the theorem solves is known as the fold-and-cut problem, which asks what shapes can be obtained by the so-called fold-and-cut method. A particular instance of the problem, which asks how a particular shape can be obtained by the fold-and-cut method...

erikdemaine.org/foldcut