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3:00 PM
Yes, I think so
 
Sounds good.
So your goal is to die, but to help do that you need want some overlords, which don't die.
 
@Geobits Exactly
 
Conflicting goals to balance? Check.
 
The rifts that open in the ground follow a pattern, so terrain knowledge is valuable
 
Zombie references? Check.
Suicidal theme? Check.
I think you're good to go.
 
3:02 PM
I'm worried about duplicateness of Wolf
 
Doesn't seem very duplicate-y. Goal being death, terrain patterns, and info sharing are all quite different IMO.
 
The goal is "reach a point on the map"
death is flavor
 
Which wasn't really the point of wolf, though.
Most wolfs could care less about the map.
 
One of my friends is looking for a better programming language to learn. (he's currently taking an intro-to-java course).
 
So your friend is learning Java, and heard that all of the cool kids dislike Java?
 
3:04 PM
Define "better". Better for what?
 
Tell him to learn C#. It's not cool, but it makes money.
 
For that you might as well stay Java, though.
Plenty of Java jobs out there.
 
@Geobits better for anything
 
@MartinBüttner >< It's hard to recommend something without knowing the goal though.
 
I'm not completely certain if there's a specific goal, other than "general purpose"
 
3:07 PM
I didn't express myself properly... what I meant to say is, whatever the goal is, switching from Java to something else should generally be an improvement ;)
 
I definitely understood that ;)
@PhiNotPi Try python. It seems like something that's easy to get into to learn the fundamentals, without some of the cruft.
 
Geobits has a point. 53 thousand jobs tagged "Java" on jobs.com. About 19 thousand tagged " Microsoft C# (C Sharp)".
 
The downside of course is that you've bred another rabid pythonista.
 
@MartinBüttner I generally disagree... with the exception of golfing :p
oh, also getting started with programming
 
@Rainbolt Yea, businesses love their Java. If the goal is just to "get a job", it's not a bad choice. The people that go into programming just for a job tend to irritate me, though :)
 
3:12 PM
Is it okay with you if they program because they love it, but they choose their language(s) to make themselves marketable?
 
I'd be a huge hypocrite if I said no to that ;)
 
@Geobits are there languages which require less overhead than Java (or C#) in enterprise sized software?
 
@randomra Probably, but I haven't worked with much enterprise level stuff except in Java, so I can't make a fair comparison.
 
Having worked on group projects in both Java and C#, I think C# requires a lot less development overhead.
 
maybe there is a reason, why only Java/C# is used
 
3:14 PM
The .NET Framework is absolutely enourmous
And Java has nothing even remotely close to SQL Server Data Tools
 
@Rainbolt yeah, ninjad in C# just in time
 
Well, either one is better than Javascript, so...
 
"SQL Server Data Tools" sounds like a db thing rather than a language thing
 
If you are building an enterprise level project, you probably have a database
 
Yea. Big Java projects like to use Hibernate or something similar for that.
 
3:17 PM
@Geobits Do you use Visual Studio for Java?
 
I wrote my own db library
 
@Rainbolt No, generally some version of Eclipse.
 
SSDT is part of Visual Studio, which I assumed was primarily used for C# but now I see that you can program in Java if you want to
 
I kinda want to recommend Perl, but then again, he'll probably regret it later in life.
 
Omg. I learned Perl in the middle of a programming competition and could not stand how many dollar signs I kept forgetting to type.
My team was like "dollar sign.... dollar sign... dollar sign..."
 
3:19 PM
perl is likely one of the worst languages I've ever seen :p
 
Whose idea was it to prefix every variable with an extra character (technically two extra character because I have to hold shift)
 
One character, two keystrokes. :P
 
Probably related to the guy that thought up hungarian notation.
 
@Doorknob Since when do Doorknob's have a tongue to stick out :P
 
Since when am I referred to by a possessive adjective? >.>
 
3:24 PM
> Since when do Doorknob's [faces] have a tongue to stick out :P
 
I have multiple faces?
 
Do you not?
 
I wasn't previously aware.
 
I've seen you use several, including :)
 
In that case, you have many, many clones. I see 7 Geobitses on my screen right now.
 
3:26 PM
 
@Doorknob Some people seem to think I'm an evil AI, so clones shouldn't be surprising.
 
Shhh. I'm busy trying to figure out what a possessive adjective is.
The only possessive I used is "Doorknob's"... so that means "Doorknob" is an adjective...
"The Doorknob man walked down the street."
 
Right, as in it should be modifying something.
 
No, "Doorknob's" acts as an adjective.
 
"Doorknob's hat" <- modifies hat.
 
3:28 PM
Wow I am dumb again
 
It's the cleaner way of saying The Hat of Doorknob :D
 
I am having an awfully hard time getting the jokes in this chat lately
He was even nice enough to point out my failure during the edit grace period and I failed to fix it :(
Maybe I need to get more sleep
 
Maybe less sleep instead. Sleep deprivation makes you see all kinds of connections, even those that aren't there.
 
Maybe I can make a challenge with Doorknob's Man as the hero and come out on top of this situation.
 
I dunno, I like the The X of Doorknob form better.
 
3:32 PM
Doorknob's Man has multiple doorknob's
 
@Geobits Today's xkcd is relevant here. :D
 
We can all place bets on how many people try to edit my post to correct my grammar.
 
@Doorknob See? Another connection!
 
That'll be a pop contest
 
Wow, CJam really doesn't like big arrays.
 
3:33 PM
And the contest + the main challenge will be cops and robbers
 
@Dennis oh? how so?
 
^ You shouldn't +1 this, people. It'll only encourage me to do it more.
 
@aditsu I'm trying to iterate over 32 5 m*, which has 33 million elements. I'm currently at 2 hours processor time and counting. Iterating over 32 5 # takes less than 5 five seconds.
 
@Geobits Your chat link goes to SO instead of PPCG. ew..
 
What chat link? The image? It's just the standard stack.imgur you get from the upload button.
 
3:39 PM
Your parent user
 
... no it doesn't.
I changed that months ago.
 
Ok. I fail at reading
 
@Geobits I was the very first upvoter for that comment. I immediately came here and said that what you did was terrible.
 
@Dennis hmm, maybe m* is slow
 
@Rainbolt And I agreed :)
 
3:41 PM
What's the most upvoted (non-deleted) comment on this site?
 
There's a premade query for that, lemme find it...
If you discount popcons, it's this one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/17005/…
That never happened.
 
@aditsu That seems to be the issue, yes.
 
Seriously? Aliasing PostID as [Post Link] makes the result a link? What kind of weird SQL is this
 
magic
(no, they're literally called "magic links")
 
Looks like even when run on my machine my interpreter throws an out of memory exception
Hmph
I wish I understood C#
 
3:47 PM
@Dennis to be fair, that's creating 33 million arrays of 5 numbers
also probably not in the most efficient way
 
Ok, changed the query a bit to give highest voted comments for a userId, plus it gives a [comment link] instead of [post link]: data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/377920/…
 
hmm, no RTTTL player yet.. I might post one in java :p
 
@aditsu OK, but 32 4 m* (1 million arrays of 4 numbers) takes only 0.4 seconds.
 
@aditsu I'd totally participate but "freely available software"
 
Mathematica online is freely available
^
 
3:59 PM
you carrot your own message?
 
Martin Büttner is less than
 
4:03 PM
>.>
 
A garrot? That doesn't sound good.
 
You deserve a garrot
 
:(
 
a garota would be better
 
4:08 PM
what is a garota
 
atorag will be much better
 
as in Garota de Ipanema
 
And once again, I am researching torture techniquies...
 
plane crashes were not enough?
 
4:12 PM
Coin Tossing Time Travelers KotH is close to launch, could someone check if the controller is usable/do I need to clarify/change some things?
 
no just because i didn't know what a garrot was.
 
4
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

randomraCoin Tossing Time Travelers king-of-the-hill java Sandbox question: if you see grammar errors or unclear parts please edit it or ping me in chat. In the future when Time Travel (TT) will be common coin tossing will become a serious mind-sport. To prepare for the future we create a competition ...

If someone could write an example entry (next to my 2) to check if it is usable, that would be great
 
Let me see.
(It seems people are quite creative when it comes to torturing.)
 
@flawr It's based on your Cat controller (as credited)
 
Oh=)
Is this a valid sentence?
> In the future when Time Travel (TT) will be common coin tossing will become a serious mind-sport.
 
4:17 PM
Comma after common?
 
^, so I don't kill the carrots
 
Oh, that is gonna make a lot more sence. I tried to imagine what common coin tossing is.
 
@aditsu Processor time decreased from hours to under 4 minutes by increasing the heap size. :)
 
ah, good.. I guess it was close to the limit?
 
That array would have required at least 1.3 GiB of memory. MaxHeapSize seems to default to 2 GiB.
 
4:27 PM
@randomra Are you aware that Old School is spelled Old School and not Old Scool?
 
I thought it was Ol' Skool.
 
Hm why are all @Override annotations undersquiggled in red in eclipse?
 
@flawr typo, will fix
 
What's the hoverover say? I get that when I start writing methods before remembering to extend the class, but that's about it.
 
my eclipse doesn't complain
 
4:32 PM
Yeah i tried that, but I am not familiar with annotations anyway and I just removed all of them now=)
 
0
A: The Light Up Game

DennisCJam, 73 bytes 32q~:Q,m*{Q.&:|!},{Q{{2b5Ue[}%\}2*..-_z{{Wa/{_1bf|}%1a*}%\}2*z..|:|1a=}=p This will work only using the Java interpreter. It should terminate eventually with default switches, but it becomes reasonably fast by increasing the maximum heap size. At the cost of 6 more bytes (for a...

@aditsu Btw, this is what I'm working on:
 
ArrayList preallocates something like 16 items by default
 
Minimal lights would have been better :(
 
oh, maybe not with the Collection constructor
 
4:44 PM
@Dennis
^ general purpose tag
 
@Alex is not going to appreciate this :D
 
Chat-word-challenge: Can you replace every ? with a letter A-Z so that every straight line is a distinct english word in one direction or the other? There are three lines each of length 4, 3, 2, and 1, but the length 1 ones are not required.

    ?
   ? ?
  ? ? ?
 ? ? ? ?

For example

    T
   O F
  G O O
 S O T S

(soft, togs, sots, too, oof, goo, to, of, go)
Most distinct letters wins.
 
   T
  L O
 A I R
S L O E

TLOAIRSE
First attempt: 8 distinct letters
 
@Calvin'sHobbies what dictionary? ;)
 
4:59 PM
1
Q: Arbitrary Clock Time Calculator

JWallyCreate a routine to calculate the position of each unit of a clock with an arbitrary number of units (minutes, hours, half-days, days, years, parsecs, quarter-quells, etc), where each unit can be equally sub-divided into an arbitrary number of sub-units; after n base units have elapsed. Basical...

 
are acronyms and proper nouns allowed?
 
@MartinBüttner Scrabble (or just use words you definitely know for a challenge)
 
Can I use the same word twice (I used 'oil' twice above)?
 
@Geobits No. "distinct english word..."
It would be valid if lio was a word
 
How did I miss distinct? I read it again looking for that ><
 
5:06 PM
We should have a tag . That way we can insert a proper adjective as needed, e.g. .
 
Why would we need more than one adjective for it, though? ;)
 
@Calvin'sHobbies This is true.
@MartinBüttner I'm not entirely sure that I'm on board with revising old challenges into catalogs. If significant enough revisions would be necessary then I feel like it would be worth it to simply post a new challenge as a catalog. If no significant revisions would be necessary then why change it?
 
3 hours ago, by Martin Büttner
@Calvin'sHobbies A tighter spec for comparable answers and a meaningful auto-generated leaderboard. If I just slap a leaderboard on the existing challenge, it will include all valid, semi-valid and invalid answers.
 
   Y
  A N
 T R O
S U M P

YANTROSUMP (all 10 distinct)
an, ort, sump, om/mo, urn, stay, ut, arm, pony
3
I have a moral objection to 'ut', but not a technical one, so I'll use it.
 
5:19 PM
you got some very weird words in there
 
all 10? if you considered both directions, there there are total 18 possibles, otherwise 9
 
@Geobits ut
 
I play scrabble and do crosswords a fair bit. I collect odd words.
 
@Geobits These things are relevant to my interests.
 
@AlexA. Anyway, I need to give this some more thought... I really want the catalogue but I'm not entirely happy with any of the solutions so far.
 
5:21 PM
@Optimizer The goal is most distinct letters, and there are only ten of those.
 
@MartinBüttner Then why not have a separate post?
 
@Geobits oh!
 
@Optimizer Also a good two-letter word.
 
I showed my friend the glory that is regex.
 
s/glory/gore/g
 
5:21 PM
now he has 1 more problem!
 
Heh
 
@Geobits nice!
Now make a sentence with all the words :D
 
A sentence for each, or one with all nine? o.o
 
one
 
One sentence with all 9.
Or a story that relates them all
 
5:25 PM
Oh, story is easy. Gimme a minute..
 
30
 
An ort pony had to stay home to fix his sump pump, so he overturned an urn with his arm. "Om/mo," he thought to himself. "Ut."
 
An arm of my sump pump fell off so I had to use a pony...
 
"use a pony"
 
An ort pony? Ewwwwww.
 
5:27 PM
@Optimizer dig a pony
 
"I'm in a sump slump," thought Ut the Ort Pony to himself.
 
The only reason I can imagine using the phrase "ort pony" is not knowing what ort means. Otherwise that's just disturbing.
 
om/mo?
 
Don't arm mo pony!
 
@Geobits The rest of the pony was eaten. Not that disturbing.
 
5:29 PM
"Om/mo in a sump slump", thaw ut an ort pony to arm self
 
@AlexA. If Ut the Ort Pony is still thinking to himself after being mostly eaten, then yes... that is disturbing.
 
@Geobits They left the brain.
 
@AlexA. alex-is
 
@AlexA. Yea, like I said :P
 
@flawr I bear no resemblence to this person beyond a common hair color. I am part Greek though.
@Geobits Zombified pony
 
5:32 PM
*geek
 
@Calvin'sHobbies ಠ_ಠ
 
<( 0.0)>
d[-_-]b
 
What
That is not me
That is a female robot
 
5:34 PM
@AlexA. ☉_ಠ
 
From Washington. That happens to share your name. Suuuuuure it's not you.
 
@AlexA. ⚀_⚀
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I find this disturbing on a deep, emotional level.
 
I can live with that
⚆_⚆
⚙_⚙
 
@Calvin'sHobbies LSD emoji
 
5:36 PM
⛔_⛔
@AlexA. ⛯_⛯
Ok, I'll stop. (just this is fun)
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Not sure if white squares are the intended result or if my browser isn't rendering it correctly.
 
⚽_⚽
@Calvin'sHobbies oic thx bb
 
@Calvin'sHobbies ☉_ಠ̅̅́́́́́
 
⛛_⛛
 
5:39 PM
⛎_⛎
 
☉̃_ಠ̃
 
⍝_⍝
 
@Calvin'sHobbies So... a puddle with a carrot in it?
 
Or maybe the hat just covers everything
 
5:43 PM
This is true of Geobits.
 
Ever since I switched to Debian, ಠ_ಠ has been rendering as "box, underscore, box." I gotta fix my fonts :P
I can see all of your other weird emoticons though, for some reason.
 
@Doorknob Thereby objectively proving that Debian is crap.
 
OS*
 
@AlexA. D:
 
it dosint come with sofware to juic avoddac
 
5:45 PM
@AlexA. Or that Debian recognizes crap ;)
 
It's like a parental filter. "You really don't need to see ಠ_ಠ."
 
:O
 
Exactly. You're too young for this :P
 
5:47 PM
@Doorknob There's the lsd one
Or the "coding for too long" one
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Those are not mutually exclusive.
drops acid, writes an operating system from scratch
Thus TempleOS was born
 
@AlexA. ⚍
 
╥.╥
┘.╙
╕╘
 
@Geobits Where's that story?
 
^
 
5:53 PM
 
You guys derailed it with mutilated ponies, so I figured the moment was over.
 
In case the above image appears irrelevant, note its upward arrow-like shape.
 
-1
 
:(
 
+1
 
5:58 PM
:)
 
=1
 
±1
 
@AlexA. Just to be really clear, I was +1ing your frown.
 

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