The Nineteenth Byte

@quartata You aren't "calling" the ternary. It's technically a function, so it needs a right argument even if the argument doesn't do anything. So {(x<4)∨12=x←+/?2⍴6:'True'⋄'False'} 4 would call it.

(Even though in this case 4 is a noop)

@Calvin'sHobbies +1, what I was expecting

Calvin's Hobbies

I like the half+

Digital Trauma

9:39 PM

no magic internet points for guessing the font

El'endia Starman

Alex A.

@DigitalTrauma Kindergarten downvote

quartata

@DigitalTrauma COMIC SANS

AHHH

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman -1, too dark

Digital Trauma

@quartata nailed it

El'endia Starman

9:40 PM

@AlexA. The green for the +1 isn't as bright as can be either.

But if you insist...

ETHproductions

LOL, what on earth is going on?

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman I do

El'endia Starman

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

New rule, and I'm sure the mods will agree: Anyone who uses Comic Sans and its variants shall be exiled. Forevah!

Alex A.

@ETHproductions Don't worry about it

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No. bans Conor for suggesting that

ETHproductions

9:41 PM

down-with-comic-sans

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman -1, too bright

Calvin's Hobbies

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD ^

quartata

@AlexA. So like this? tryapl.org/?a=%7B%28x%3C4%29%u222812%3Dx%u2190+/…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. OH NOES

quartata

9:41 PM

I think it works but it is difficult to tell since it is random

Alex A.

@quartata Yes

Anonymous

Calvin's looks 1000% better than mine

quartata

It keeps outputting false

El'endia Starman

quartata

Maybe I'm just really lucky

SuperJedi224

9:42 PM

@Calvin: That looks pretty good.

Anonymous

Digital Trauma

@Calvin'sHobbies oo thats good

quartata

Oh just outputted true

Looks good

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm sad: my new photo hasn't shown up yet.

Anonymous

The antialiasing on mine messed up at the bottom of the "-"

Alex A.

9:42 PM

@quartata Less than 4 or equal to 12 isn't as likely as not that.

Peter Taylor

@El'endiaStarman, will leave my program running overnight, but

2x2: 24 solution(s)
3x2: 112 solution(s)
3x3: 376 solution(s)
4x2: 768 solution(s)
4x3: 2160 solution(s)
4x4: 20352 solution(s)
5x2: 5376 solution(s)
5x3: 5904 solution(s)
5x4: 86144 solution(s)
5x5: 51840 solution(s)
6x2: 64512 solution(s)
6x3: 56736 solution(s)
6x4: 1628352 solution(s)

quartata

@AlexA. Yeah..

Anonymous

But I think Calvin has us all beat

El'endia Starman

@PeterTaylor I feel like the "(s)" was entirely unnecessary, but cool!

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sure you updated it? It should show outside of chat at least.

Peter Taylor

9:44 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies,
K
L I
I E L
S L I T

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies I'm pretty sure, though I'll try again.

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Did you change it on PPCG or network-wide? I refreshed your chat profile from its parent profile, but since yours is Stack Overflow, unless you changed your avatar on SO it won't show up in chat.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I dunno. How might I upload it, again? :.:

Calvin's Hobbies

@PeterTaylor Words need to be distinct

quartata

Alright I think I've finally got the come-out round down

tryapl.org/?a=%7B%28x%3C4%29%u222812%3Dx%u2190+/…

Probably can be golfed more

Is there a way to take input in APL aside from via a function?

Calvin's Hobbies

9:47 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Maybe go to your SO profile and hit edit and reupload there

Digital Trauma

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I thought the idea was to make it look scary

Alex A.

@quartata Yes but you can't do it on TryAPL.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma I have one that makes it look scarier >:D

quartata

@AlexA. What's the char?

Anonymous

There, I changed my avatar to a halloween version

Anonymous

9:48 PM

Now it just needs to load

Calvin's Hobbies

It has

ETHproductions

@Mego Loaded on my screen

Digital Trauma

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ really? Its hard to imagine anything scarier than comic sans

Anonymous

Just did for me too

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies thanks

@DigitalTrauma I used Times New Roman >:D >:D

Anonymous

9:50 PM

Lucida Console or gtfo

quartata

Uh-oh I just got a 7 but it didn't say it was a natural

tryapl.org/?a=%7B%28x%3C4%29%u222812%3Dx%u2190+/…

Huh

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Alright, my profile has been updated :D

quartata

Oh I had an and instead of an or

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Did you select copy to all networks?

Anonymous

I can see it on your SO profile but not here

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:51 PM

@Mego No, but it's showing up anyhow

Alex A.

@quartata ⎕ for evaluated input, ⍞ for raw input.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego prntscr.com/8thpcm

Anonymous

Yeah, I see it there

quartata

@AlexA. I see

Anonymous

Chat finally changed

Alex A.

9:52 PM

I just refreshed his profile from SO

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yay! XD

quartata

Err. More dumb questions incoming

Anonymous

@quartata your turn for spooky avatar

SuperJedi224

Just changed for me as well.

quartata

@Mego I already did mine

Alex A.

9:52 PM

@quartata "Incoming" is one word :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So anyone like my "addition" ? ^_^

Anonymous

GOL is spooky?

quartata

@AlexA. My keyboard is breaking down stop it

@Mego It's the inversion of my standard avatar

So it is "relatively" spooky

Alex A.

@Mego The inverse of the Game of Life is the Game of Thrones.

Anonymous

Oh right isn't your normal avatar black on white?

Alex A.

9:53 PM

Yes

Anonymous

Then it's your turn @AlexA.

quartata

So for the point round I basically have to roll dice until it reaches 7 (lose) or the point (win)

Alex A.

@quartata What are you doing? Is this a challenge?

quartata

So in order to while loop I use ∇ right?

Alex A.

@Mego I'll get to it eventually

quartata

9:54 PM

@AlexA. It's something I'm just making for fun

I may post it as a challenge

It's a game of craps

Craps

Craps is a dice game in which the players make wagers on the outcome of the roll, or a series of rolls, of a pair of dice. Players may wager money against each other (playing "street craps", also known as "shooting dice" or "rolling dice") or a bank (playing "casino craps", also known as "table craps", or often just "craps"). Because it requires little equipment, "street craps" can be played in informal settings. == HistoryEdit == Craps developed from a simplification of the early English game of "hazard". Its origins are complex and may date to the Crusades, later being influenced by Fre...

Alex A.

@quartata You could, yeah. That's recurse.

Calvin's Hobbies

Just getting ready for @Sp3:

@quartata Oh crap.

Alright

9:55 PM

Is it the time of the year to change Avatars? o-o

ETHproductions

Yes, for the upcoming Day of the Dead Avatars

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, it's halloweeeeeeen

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Ah, I see.

Alex A.

Crappy Halloweeners

ETHproductions

You know, as soon as I get on here, anything else I could do stops seeming like a good idea.

4

quartata

9:57 PM

Crap I just hit an arrow key and lost all my work on tryapl

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^^^^

Alex A.

@quartata roflcopter

ETHproductions

@Alex "Rolling On the Laughing Floor"?

Alex A.

I wish there was a way to invalidate upvotes on broken or non-rule-abiding posts. :/

@ETHproductions Rambling On, Loudly Farting

quartata

Is there a way to end an APL program prematurely?

Alex A.

9:59 PM

@quartata No

quartata

It's the only way I see getting this working...

Darn.

SuperJedi224

Something happened to my roblox swordpack :(

Had to buy the new version

Alex A.

Basically, the answer to any "can I do this usual programming thing in APL?" question is "No."

quartata

Because see I need to check to see if a dice roll is equal to 7 and if it is terminate, otherwise check to see if it is equal to x if so terminate. Otherwise roll again.

The problem is is that using the Del operator will start the ternary operator again

Alex A.

You'd need to reformulate your logic to use APL effectively for this.

quartata

10:01 PM

Huh

Why is this throwing a value error

tryapl.org/?a=%7B%28x%3C4%29%u222812%3Dx%u2190+/…

This is quickly turning into spaghetti code

I'm starting to regret this

Alex A.

It thinks you're trying to use x as the left input to a dyadic function when in fact the "function" is a ternary and doesn't take a left argument.

@quartata Yeah, not a good use case for APL IMO.

quartata

OK so it needs a diamond there

Peter Taylor

S
E H
W O O
N E R D

ETHproductions

Could I borrow your spaghetti code? I'm getting hungry.

Alex A.

@ETHproductions github.com/KeyboardFire/macaroni-lang

quartata

10:05 PM

I thought of something

ETHproductions

Yum, new esolang for dinner :)

Anonymous

That language looked relatively sane until I got to the gotos

Alex A.

@quartata That's dangerous. It's best not to think. You know, for your own safety.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Peter Taylor

B
R E
O U T
W H O A

quartata

10:07 PM

{(x<4)∨12=x←+/?2⍴6:'Crapped out: 'x⋄{x=7∨x=11:'Natural: 'x⋄'Point: 'x⋄{(y=x)∧(y=7)y←+/?2⍴6:{y=7:'No Pass'⋄'Pass'}0⋄∇}0}0}0

This is what I currently have

Oh I see where I went wrong

Alex A.

Ok

Calvin's Hobbies

@PeterTaylor Nice

You need to change

6

quartata

I got an 11 as a role and it said Point: 11 for some reason

x=7∨x=11 < why no worky

Does it need to be 11=x?

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies You don't love me for who I am now?

Calvin's Hobbies

Nope.

Anonymous

10:08 PM

Of course not

Alex A.

Oh. :(

quartata

@AlexA. Don't listen to them you're fine

Alex A.

@quartata Because of how APL evaluates.

quartata

?

Alex A.

(x=7)∨x=11 would work

You have to think from right to left in APL.

quartata

10:10 PM

Just like reading Chinese

OK I can do this

But why is it that regardless of the dice roll I don't get a Pass or a No Pass message?

Alex A.

It sees 7∨ (or 7) before it sees x=7.

quartata

@AlexA. I see

Alex A.

But x=11 has already been evaluated by the time it sees the or.

quartata

Does APL short circuit on ors?

Alex A.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't think so

quartata

10:11 PM

Ah OK

So why doesn't a Pass or No Pass message occur here?

Alex A.

@quartata r u chinese

quartata

Is that function not getting called?

ETHproductions

Have you ever had a time when you try four slightly different methods to do the same task and they all turn out the same length?

quartata

@AlexA. No

@ETHproductions Yes

ETHproductions

I am right now >:(

quartata

10:13 PM

And then you post one of them and five minutes later someone points out another method that saves a byte

Alex A.

@ETHproductions What's worse is coming up with a much cooler, more clever solution and having it be longer than what you already have. :/

quartata

Story of code golf

ETHproductions

@AlexA. True, so true.

Oh yes, one more modification and I can finally golf off a set a parentheses \o/

Alex A.

Woot

quartata

Does having the diamond between x and the pass/no pass ternary cause it not to get called for some reason

My head really hurts right now

NinjaBearMonkey

10:14 PM

has my new avatar shown up for anybody yet

quartata

Yeah it has

ETHproductions

I think I still see your old one

NinjaBearMonkey

It should be orange

quartata

Oh then nevermind I still see the old one

NinjaBearMonkey

I guess I forgot to save changes...

quartata

10:17 PM

Oh no nothing's work helllppppppp

tryapl.org/?a=%7B%28x%3C4%29%u222812%3Dx%u2190+/…

SuperJedi224

APL is wierd.

quartata

I just want it to print out "Point: " x and THEN call the ternary

For the point round

quartata

10:29 PM

Almost got it working now.

It throws a syntax error at the recursion part and it doesn't print out the "Point: " part

tryapl.org/?a=%7B%28x%3C4%29%u222812%3Dx%u2190+/…

flawr

10:45 PM

@AlexA.

quartata

@flawr Wow that's really spooky

El'endia Starman

o_o

@PeterTaylor To confirm, these are for-certain values? That is, your program is working on the next values?

trichoplax

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I was just wondering if you were including downvotes - it doesn't really matter. Downvotes are important though :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@trichoplax Oh, I don't think I am. ^_^

trichoplax

I was kind of joking anyway - I don't think there is a downvote limit apart from the ones that lose you rep would use up all your rep if you went really overboard

VTCAKAVSMoACE

10:53 PM

That's some serious downing.

El'endia Starman

And it would take you a while to do that in a way that SE's algorithms don't catch.

trichoplax

Indeed

Unless you had 126 rep

El'endia Starman

"HAHA! I can downvote now! downvotes Oh, not anymore. :( "

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Hmm. Should I change my picture too to match the trend?