The Whiteboard

user114359

9:01 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit which is what I did.

user55340

@LightnessRacesinOrbit the photo of code is to make it harder for the teachers to search.

user55340

I've had some people immediately delete the post after I transcribe it.

enderland

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that is a likely reason @MichaelT

Lightness Races in Orbit

7 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit

you're late

@MichaelT heh

nice theory but I seriously doubt OP is that clever

maybe I have to assume good faith, fine, but I don't have to assume any sort of intelligence

Ampt

@LightnessRacesinOrbit ugh I know I shouldn't feed the trolls but damn that is such an easy fix

Lightness Races in Orbit

9:06 PM

@Ampt don't do it!!

put a sock in it!

user55340

Two more 20k votes would be nice.

Ampt

I couldn't help myself. It'll be gone soon anyways

thats such a rubber duck situation

user114359

39

Q: Should one advise on off-topic questions?

Now this may be one of the most common quandaries I have when looking through Stack Overflow questions, when the author has written an obviously off-topic but genuine question such as Title Windows Forms Application Classic Interface c# Description I want c# windows form applications ...

enderland

@Ampt flagged as not constructive nom nom

user114359

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Ampt

9:07 PM

@enderland quit eating everything already, jeez.

enderland

@Snowman I think 6 community flags instant killed any comment...

Lightness Races in Orbit

hmm food good idea

@Ampt Genuinely disappointed in you

Ampt

@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, that tickles.

user55340

@LightnessRacesinOrbit join the club...

Ixrec

I'm surprised you even read the code in the picture

user55340

9:09 PM

He didn't even bill for his time!

Ixrec

my eyes glaze over as soon as I see crap like that

Lightness Races in Orbit

so now he's Bill too

Ampt

@MichaelT I forwarded the invoice to Stack Exchange.

user55340

I am very disappointed in his lack of consulting aptitude.

enderland

@Ixrec it'd be interesting to do some sort of blurred post, to see if there are any visual characteristics of similarity between off topic questions

Ampt

9:10 PM

@MichaelT SE has far more money than this chump with his python code, come on.

Ixrec

well, usually it's aspects of the wording that make my eyes glaze over

it's pretty rare for pictures to be the dead giveaway

user55340

I would laugh if you did send an invoice.

user55340

@Ixrec

user55340

-4

Q: Google geocoding api not working in Android mobile applications, while it is working on system in ripple

I'm new to the field of mobile application development using apache cordova. I'm facing a problem with google geocoding api while developing a test weather application. The code is working fine on my system but it is not working on the android devices. I couldn't fetch the json result object in...

javascript api android jquery

Ixrec

two in one day is pretty unusual

enderland

9:16 PM

Hi Yannis. Thank you for your help! — user5627316 yesterday

I'm not sure if that guy is serious, or trolling

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt you know, you make a good point. YouTube pays content generators for large-view-drawing-content; SE should start paying us.

That's it, I'm invoicing them

enderland

> ~1.7m people reached

it's like views?

Lightness Races in Orbit

Hey have you guys ever considered changing the site name? I don't think "Programmers" really sums up what this particular SE site is about.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa go to the office and demand a sandwich.

Ixrec

I think we've been over the naming thing before

Ampt

9:20 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit One of these days you're gonna catch a delete vote to the face with talk like that.

enderland

lol I thought about it

:P

Lightness Races in Orbit

:(

user55340

Programmers and Scotch.SE

enderland

but meh, as fun as it is to joke about mod things.... I don't like to actually do them

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT you know, I think I've already laid claim I would do that... to be fair, I would if I didn't think @Shog9 would just rub garbage in it.

@LightnessRacesinOrbit can't tell if serious

user55340

9:21 PM

I've had a drink with him. He's not that type unless you are being an idiot on MSO.

Lightness Races in Orbit

@JimmyHoffa whether*

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT so he would just rub garbage in it; check.

user114359

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was thinking the same thing. Maybe we should call it "Not Programming Related" instead.

Lightness Races in Orbit

@Snowman or "Ocean of Difficulties"

user55340

@LightnessRacesinOrbit dup of the workplace and academia.

Jimmy Hoffa

9:23 PM

I like it.

Lightness Races in Orbit

^_^

Jimmy Hoffa

@LightnessRacesinOrbit don't get too happy; it's a Thursday afternoon, you don't know how scotch I yet.

Lightness Races in Orbit

oh brother

psr

9:38 PM

joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori

user55340

Brother @JimmyHoffa, have you finished brewing the ale for the day?

user55340

kickstarter.com/projects/1708005089/pico-craft-beer-at-home/…

psr

blog about midori OS that MS never released. They attempted to build a modern system programming language, an OS, a browser, etc. Accomplished a lot even though it never shipped. Cool stuff.

Lightness Races in Orbit

lol PHP 7 just came out

user55340

Where is php 6?

Lightness Races in Orbit

9:46 PM

in the past

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8786919

user55340

Hmm. So, given php, that means the next release will be php 6.7?

Lightness Races in Orbit

it's PHP 7

secure.php.net/index.php#id2015-12-03-1

psr

@LightnessRacesinOrbit In the PHP type system 5+1=7.0

user55340

Php " 7"?

Ampt

@MichaelT It's the second coming of python.

Lightness Races in Orbit

9:51 PM

> People know where to go to get their quality information, otherwise we’d all still be using mysql_connect() in our view files

Hah, this guy doesn't work with other people does he

Ixrec

@psr is this a real thing, and if so how did PHP manage it?

Lightness Races in Orbit

He's also never been on SO, clearly

calling it 7 probably makes sense tbf, given how the name "PHP 6" spread even when it didn't really exist yet

still, they're idiots for getting into this situation in the first place

psr

@Ixrec I don't know PHP, so I'm just assuming, and because PHP.

Ampt

Man if everyone who ever fails to ship a product is an idiot we're doomed as a race.

it seems that rational numbering systems are hard to come by these days

user55340

See, perl 6 eventually shipped. It's shipping, right?

Ampt

9:53 PM

windows 10, python 2 and 3, PHP 7, and don't even get me started on gaming consoles

psr

@Ampt python is fixing that by splitting into bython and trython.

user55340

> all versions of php are complex. Therefore we have decided to give them complex numbers. This is php 5 + 2i. All arguments to the contrary are imaginary.

Lightness Races in Orbit

@LightnessRacesinOrbit heh, guess I was beaten to the post on that one

psr

@MichaelT Ampt asked for a rational numbering system.

user55340

It's rational. Just not real.

Lightness Races in Orbit

9:57 PM

insert e and pi cartoon here

psr

@MichaelT But PHP is real, just not rational.

user55340

It's also complex. So... Php √5 + 2i

Duga

@SherlyJones, General legal questions can work on programmers.stackexchange.com — Pacerier 14 secs ago

user55340

Wat?

Duga

@Pacerier what makes you think that, it's not at all on topic on programmers.SE to ask a 100% legal question.. plus this question is over a year old. — enderland 56 secs ago

enderland

10:03 PM

look at the Q date, too

Lightness Races in Orbit

Ampt

AAAAAADDOOOOOOOOOOOBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

enderland

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not a mod here. >. >

Lightness Races in Orbit

oh feck

user55340

He doesn't even have 10k. Clearly the question is about workplace skills... Hey! Migrate to the workplace!

Lightness Races in Orbit

10:06 PM

I keep forgetting that non-SO chat is shared-on-SE-chat and that therefore this tab isn't really on Programmers

Duga

@enderland, If general legal questions on programming cannot work on programmers.stackexchange.com, all of it should be closed. Here's 250+ more: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/legal — Pacerier 25 secs ago

Lightness Races in Orbit

I also willingly erase the knowledge that someone as cool as you could be a moderator on the kinkden that is Workplace

enderland

I have no idea what Pacerier even cares about this for

Lightness Races in Orbit

Ask Ampt

probably his sock

Ampt

Sock-ception

Duga

10:10 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit, Yea that thread. Conclusion is yes general legal questions on programming can work on programmers.SE. Or the community might start by downvoting these 30: programmers.stackexchange.com/… — Pacerier 43 secs ago

Lightness Races in Orbit

yay the Supergirl FB fan group's gonna make me admin

Duga

@Pacerier: No, the conclusion is that not all general legal questions on programming are acceptable on programmers.SE, which is what you appear to be claiming. — Lightness Races in Orbit 33 secs ago

user55340

6

Q: Why do we have a legal tag if legal questions are not welcome?

My question "Can we ship libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll with our installer?" was put on hold. The legal tag says: Questions about legal problems which may arise during software development or questions about software law, patents and copyrights in general. I do not get why legal questio...

discussion tags

user55340

Even recently active.

Lightness Races in Orbit

that's why I knew about it tbh

see, typo edits have merit!

user55340

10:14 PM

Hmm. Custom close reasons way down.

enderland

@Pacerier I don't even understand what your point here is. You are arguing on a year old question with a community you are not even part of about their site scope. That.. doesn't make any sense unless you are intentionally trolling (?). — enderland 24 secs ago

I'm... done

Lightness Races in Orbit

:P

still more logic in all of that then anywhere on workplace

Ampt

VTD user as not-constructive

Lightness Races in Orbit

but not as bad as the average conversation with a Lounger

user55340

14.48% of questions closed with new close reason for code.

Ampt

10:15 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Remember what I said about Delete vote to the face?

Lightness Races in Orbit

@Ampt well I don't really know what a delete vote is so I kind of ignored it

@enderland flagged the lot for nuking

enderland

lol @Ampt, nice :)

Ampt

yesterday, by Jimmy Hoffa

Nov 6 at 20:35, by enderland

2 days ago, by Jimmy Hoffa

yesterday, by MichaelT

Jul 28 '14 at 18:52, by Jimmy Hoffa

<--- Helping.

user114359

@MichaelT having a "this belongs on SO but sucks so bad we won't migrate it" standard close reason did that.

user55340

The thing is we've got firm numbers on that now.

user55340

10:24 PM

76 questions over 14 days.

user55340

9 of my close votes today went on questions deleted less than an hour later.

enderland

10:39 PM

-2

Q: Just need some help with Java

https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/49321/ When I run the .sh on my mac it cannot fin the TMX2Sprite.class

java mac

like that?

Lightness Races in Orbit

not even worth commenting on

OP's a lost cause

the link doesn't even have anything to do with the question

Robert Harvey

Now eligible for delete votes.

Lightness Races in Orbit

not for me ;(

user114359

@enderland now at -6. Every time I see an awful question with that many downvotes in a short time it reminds me of the scene in Matrix Reloaded in the courtyard where all the Smiths are piling on top of Neo.

Robert Harvey

I think the record for closing, downvoting and deletion on Stack Overflow is about a minute and a half.

enderland

10:42 PM

@RobertHarvey even for mods? or you mean fully community?

Robert Harvey

Fully community.

user114359

that was my thought too: a mod could do it in seconds.

Robert Harvey

The record for mod closure on a new question is about 15 seconds.

or thereabouts.

enderland

I feel like SO makes it easy to pew pew new questions since probably 1/2 of new questions are off topic

Lightness Races in Orbit

and there's another one

user114359

10:44 PM

Maybe I'll repost this question and see if we can set a new record: Do you fart in the cubicle?

Lightness Races in Orbit

you guys should change the site name or something

Robert Harvey

Alas, many questions are not interesting enough to muster 5 close votes.

@enderland And that's after they get through the question-quality filters. It's probably closer to 90 percent.

Lightness Races in Orbit

heh it's a sad state of affairs when the best measure of interestingness is how many close votes it accrues

enderland

lol

"your question was interesting enough that at least 5 people opened it and voted to close it!"

user114359

@enderland stackoverflow.com/review/triage

enderland

10:45 PM

I mean, that legal question is a good example of one that didn't

Lightness Races in Orbit

-1

Q: i am making a game and wanted the player to be an image, my player is an object, and wanted the image to be included in the object, how can I do this?

var playerImage = new Image(); playerImage.src = 'http://www.footballrenders.com/renders/Neymar-Jr2.png'; var player = { x:50, spdX:30, y:40, spdY:5, name:'P', hp:10, img:playerImage, color:'green', width:20, height:...

javascript object

just seriously fucking fuck me

Robert Harvey

Eh, at least he provided some code, so someone could spot the error.

user114359

@RobertHarvey my pet peeve (already fixed in an edit) is the question in the subject line and no text in the body, just the code.

Robert Harvey

"How can I do this" instead of "Why is my code broken?"

user114359

Certainly the question is not a good one. I was just nitpicking its presentation, not contents.

enderland

10:52 PM

@RobertHarvey but that's on topic on SO... /holywar

user114359

@enderland hah. I won't argue about on or off topic, but I will say that making an attempt at one's own problem and showing some work definitely improves the quality of the question.

user114359

and that requires more than throwing some code into the question, explain it.

enderland

it's hard to write an interesting question without at least trying

Ixrec

in other words, "it's hard to do things that take effort"

user114359

@Ixrec "I am lazy"

user55340

11:02 PM

10 close vote posts deleted within short time today.

Ixrec

I should probably review something today

user55340

Could 10k snipe close.

Robert Harvey

11:20 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Turns out that's the second time that guy tried to ask that question. He's in for a surprise when he tries the third time.

user114359

@RobertHarvey Ruh-roh ruestion ran!

user114359

11:42 PM

Look at this question, then look at the rep levels on various sites of the person who asked it. He really should have known better.

user114359

-1

Q: What are specific activities that require administrative privileges on your machine?

I want to compile a list of all the activities for which administrative privileges are required. Our IT department wants to remove Admin privs on all users accounts except those that can provide adequate justification for the need. (A sensible policy, I suppose, especially for non-devs.) The pr...

elevated-privileges administrative-privileges

whatsisname

it's tempting to reply to that question with a comment of "Get a new job"

Ixrec

@whatsisname insert obligatory TWP joke

enderland

(deleted)

user114359

@whatsisname I can sympathize, I did work at a place that severely locked down permissions. Development was horribly difficult, but I understand why it had to be that way.

whatsisname

11:48 PM

I would have to be paid a crapton to work in an environment like that

enderland

I want to suggest htat guy comes to chat

whatsisname

locking down dev machines is 2x nonsensical

user114359

@whatsisname did you see the part that I edited out?

whatsisname

yes

user114359

I was exactly looking for an opinion. What is wrong about that? — Yuriy Kulikov 35 secs ago

user114359

11:50 PM

The close message and the link I posted explain what is wrong with that.

user114359

@whatsisname well I don't work there anymore, I make more money with fewer headaches so it is a double win.

whatsisname

exactly

if I was to work at a place like lockheed when they were still in town i'd be lucky if I could be 1/10th as productive

Brandin

Is it just me or why do you want to develop with admin priveleges on your machine? Personally I prefer always compiling/developing as non-root, never had any problem. Just install software into your home directory to avoid polluting the system.

user114359

@Brandin there is nothing wrong with not having Administrator/root privileges, that is actually a good idea. There are two problems though.

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