The Whiteboard

Kid came home from school today with two loose teeth and his first molars erupted... how fast they grow

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@JimmyHoffa not too much longer and he'll be saying "you're going to be grandparents!"

user55340

See? No kids. Its safer that way.

user55340

The only thing I worry about when I come home is my cat saying "See? I killed this for you and put it on the bed."

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Or... "See, I killed this for you, and ate it, and well... you need to clean up the bed now."

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12:17 AM

@MichaelT Keep your bedroom door closed. I normally do when I leave the house. The last thing I want to do in the evening is clean up the bedroom before I can sleep because one of the pets decided the bed is a toilet. This is also why I am never getting another cat (or dog) once these are gone.

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@Snowman Actually, my cat is really good about such things. I've never had a problem.

user55340

And I don't have mice in the house. My parents house... thats another story.

user55340

(they live in the country and always have mice somewhere - the two kittens are really good at catching them though)

user114359

Yes but cats have hair, which makes hairballs

user55340

Again, very good about it... and he gets anti-hairball cat treats in the appropriate season.

user55340

12:20 AM

One of my parents cats... several years ago when I was in the 'between jobs' period. She was a hunter and mouse catcher and brought me a mouse in the morning. It was half dead (which means it was also half alive) and dropped it on the bed for me. That to date is the fastest way to get me out of bed.

user55340

Came back later, and there was half of a dead mouse there instead.

Q: How to make a month not start in the same day as month before ? - c++ code

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I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a month start in the next day and not the first day of the week (like when January ends in Friday, February should start in Saturday) Here's the c++ code #include <iostream> #include <cstdlib> #include<string.h> using namespace std; int main(){ sy...

c++

o.o

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit classic "render a calendar" assignment with a fundamental misunderstanding of how it should work.

user114359

@LightnessRacesinOrbit "don't be February"?

user55340

@Snowman my cat is an angel... except when he gets down in the basement (which hasn't been cat proofed yet). There, he's an explorer and I keep worrying that I'll hear meowing from inside the wall at some point (its an old house... lath and plaster walls with real 2x4 construction) and double wide in some spots... 8" thick for the main beam.

user55340

12:24 AM

fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/misc/miscpub_6409.pdf

close the basement door then

user55340

Heh... "The Forest Products Laboratory is maintained at Madison, Wis., in cooperation with the University of Wisconsin." - my grandfather worked there.

mine too

user55340

UW Madison Forest Products lab?

user114359

@MichaelT my cats' litter and food are in the basement. There is only one section that is unfinished with exposed joists, so I stapled wire mesh in places to prevent them from jumping into where they can walk above the ceiling drywall. They actually did that before I stapled it up there and I had the same concern, they would freak out and be stuck someplace where I have no idea where they are.

user114359

12:27 AM

Also, there are no doors down there, it is technically "partially" finished so I did not have much choice

user55340

@LightnessRacesinOrbit its closed... but he's a cat and can sometimes slip down faster than I can keep it closed.

@MichaelT nah not really

user55340

@Snowman working on that... there's one room where that is problematic now. Need to put an additional door there until I can secure the ceiling.

@Snowman you could "partially" finish the door next

user55340

A paper my grandfather worked on - babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/… --- for the woodworkers (@GlenH7 @Ampt ) that is an interesting one to read... especially considering the date.

user114359

12:31 AM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not that easy. There is a single door to block off the entire basement, but the issue is their stuff is in the unfinished part with the furnace, laundry, etc. The partially finished areas are the areas we actually use and don't want their poop there. Plus I already blocked off the problematic areas with screen anyway.

user55340

At some point, I've got to take out a tape measure and make a movie of the floor boards here. Hard wood flooring that goes (I think) ~12' long every single piece of wood in the floor.

user114359

Finally, our plan is to move into a better house in the next 2-3 years and if I have my way, bulldoze this one.

:(

That's exactly how it works.

Q: How to deal with programmers who think there is “one true way” to write software?

-3

I've been coding for iOS for years now, and I'm continually finding that I encounter programmers who believe there is one true way to write software for iOS; typically these are guys who have very little experience, and are just imitating what they think Apple does or wants. but I've spoken exten...

communication colleagues psychology

blink

did someone suggest workplace here? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/301523/…

12:39 AM

ixrec did.

Bleaugh.

Though to be fair, the OP added some more rantiness to his Workplace version.

so much for hoping he'd read what I wrote ~~more carefully~~ instead of just blindly clicking on it

What you describe doesn't sound like cargo cult programming. It sounds like these developers follow a single set of coding conventions which is basic common sense. — Lilienthal 1 hour ago

user114359

@RobertHarvey actually, he did not suggest cross-posting. But a user like that is just going to see the link and run with it, which is why I (now) try to avoid doing that. I've had good intentions but primed the crap cannon in the past.

Nobody suggested cross-posting.

user114359

@RobertHarvey maybe I should read more closely too then :-)

12:41 AM

and from now on I will never suggest that other SEs exist in a comment, much less that anyone should interact with them

A: Should one advise on off-topic questions?

No good deed goes unpunished.

user114359

@Ixrec been there, done that... now I either vote to migrate or say "sorry, off-topic" because of the phenomenon here:

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49

What you should do: cast a down vote vote to close (flag to close if you're under 3K rep) comment and explain why their question is bad and how to fix it, use the tour, the help, maybe even a chat session Don't ever answer a question, not via chat, comments, or any other way. It is even dange...

user114359

Different issue, same effect.

wish I could see deleted comments

user114359

12:44 AM

> This isn't really about software development or best practices. This is about working with (sometimes irrational) people. While this question in its current form is a non-constructive rant which would not fit well on any StackExchange site, you may be interested in browsing our sister site workplace.stackexchange.com as they have many questions and answers about dealing with people in the workplace who have very different, strong and seemingly irrational opinions. – Ixrec 1 hour ago

user114359

I have written my fair share of constructive comments like that and 90% of the time the user says "maybe if I ignore the advice about my question being bad and just cross-post then someone will throw me a bone and I'll get something useful"

I got the message, I won't be doing that again

user114359

No matter how much we (the community) try to self-moderate, there is a truth about the internet that keeps showing through: the internet is full of trolls and selfish people who don't care what kind of mess they leave behind.

user114359

@Ixrec no hard feelings here, I sympathize with you. I also want to help, but odds are a given user is beyond help at that point.

12:48 AM

the world*

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I think it's just being young and dumb, generally. Back in my day, teenage angst was limited to high school and AOL. Kids today act the fool and there is a permanent record of it via the googles.

I look forward to the day when the internet generation becomes parents and starts teaching their kids that being anonymous on the internet is no excuse for doing things you wouldn't do in real life

dat title

ah shucks it got fixed

it's only one letter away from a complete sentence, there are worse sins

> Why I don't can to compare 2 strings in IF?

12:53 AM

like not reading your C++ for Dummies book before asking

user114359

I like the old and new C++ header styles mixed:

user114359

> #include <iostream>
#include <string.h>

@Snowman textbook example of Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking

user114359

@Ixrec that sign is great

every time I go back to TV tropes one of the images has been replaced by an even sillier one

1:04 AM

@Snowman Those are not old and new C++ header styles

please don't spread myths!

string.h was and still is C

iostream.h you're probably thinking of

terminology is fun

@Ixrec argggghhh warn!!!!

?

did we have a rule against TV Tropes here?

no but warn me ;p

or my night will be gone before I even realise it

gotcha

1:10 AM

actually, speaking of. it's 1 :(

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I originally thought you were implying the "old style" was #include "header" instead of #include <header>, and #include <string.h> was an old file rather than an old style

so many confusing ways to talk about preprocessor junk

user55340

@Ampt btw, IntelliJ... all products pack for 2 years (not 1) with a 20% discount. Whee! "Subscription period: 731 days"

@Ixrec :)

user114359

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Unclear. It could be including C's header in C, including C's header in C++ using old syntax. Before the standard existed, compilers could do either #include <cstring> or #include <string.h> for the C header, while #include <string> always meant "include C++'s string header."

user114359

...except for certain crappy compilers, like Turbo C, where you would just flip a coin.

1:16 AM

and now we enter the territory of things I'm glad I never have to think about in the real world because I just do #include <string> and move on

@Snowman eh... that's still true....

what's "old" about it o.O

the standard literally guarantees that both <cstring> and <string.h> refer to the C standard library "string" header

either way the syntax is completely the same in both cases so I'm not really sure what you're saying tbh

user114359

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought it deprecated the <string.h> variant.

you thought wrong :)

well

no, you didn't

but that doesn't mean you can't use it or that people don't or that it'll ever be removed or that it's "old" - it's deprecated because it's from C, not because it's old

but C is old

/hides

facepalm

aaaanyway

the point is that comparing "string.h" and "iostream" as "old" and "new" is apples v oranges

you're right that using the C stdlib here at all is silly and indeed that's the crux of the question

user114359

1:21 AM

C++11 section 21 does not list <string.h> as a valid header

it's near the back

D.5

admittedly deprecated, yes

section 21 is about the C++ standard library's "strings" feature. It has nothing to do with the C standard library, which is a separate thing.

user114359

Ah, there it is. I thought they were deprecated. Still, my original point is the program was a bit unclear: the comments bear that out as well when people say stuff like "what does your 'learn C++ in 24 hours book say?'"

yarp

& I believe I touched on that in my answer ;)

user114359

The program is mixing string libraries

quite

windows linux operating-systems microsoft

1:25 AM

what the heck is a "windows linux distro"

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-5

Q: Windows linux distro?

How did I ended up living during this sh*t-period of Winballs being really that compulsive to create ""their own"" linux distro ?? Initially, they won the award for containing all the incapable programmers in the world (NOT exaggerated). As a result of this, they created Windows 7 and versions a...

rofl

obvious troll is obvious

user114359

I think that in order to understand that question, one must first smoke multiple joints.

user114359

maybe a hit of LSD

so much for discussing which distro supports Wine the best

1:26 AM

flagged for inevitable suspension

user114359

@ThomasOwens could you please just delete that question? You know it is inevitable at this point.

user55340

@Snowman now its just "rude"

the best thing to do would be to ignore him

but I can't help it

it's fun

@Snowman which is terrifying; TERR-I-FY-ING. An entire generation to forever be prejudged by shit made available to absolutely everyone about them at typing age and up.. Those poor bastards.

user55340

Just consider that in some decades, we won't have anyone "qualified" to run for political office because of Facebook.

3

1:34 AM

@Ixrec there have for many years been distros that will install on a loop FS or some that will even live alongside windows directly in it's partition without even being a loop

@MichaelT seriously, this is one of the most curious and interesting social issues that's going to arise in the next 3-4 decades... won't effect me but man that's going to be jacked up, and it'll effect a lot of people

@JimmyHoffa Docker!

Somebody will have to come out with a solution. Perhaps they should have a piece of legislation that internet sites have to wipe info on users when they turn N years like how we have the rule at municipalities that their records from 18 and below are locked

@MichaelT Meh, plenty of dirt gets digged up during elections. I'm not sure I see Facebook contributing much to that. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence has their profile on private (and therefore ostensibly uncrawlable) anyway.

user114359

@JimmyHoffa ‘Right to Be Forgotten’ Online Could Spread

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit social media makes it easy for anyone to dig up dirt, not just journalists getting paid to dumpster dive.

1:38 AM

right but read the rest of my msg

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Its one thing for "I didn't inhale" to be a headline... its another thing for one to pull up one's college dorm pictures with some significant glassware on the table.

@MichaelT if those are on a public profile from the start then you are dumb and have no business bothering trying to get elected to anything

.·. little to no effect on those who shall

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit The ones who have properly clean profiles are likely too smart to want to run for office.

@MichaelT touché

user55340

On the other hand... maybe that's face book's business model. "In 30 years, we'll charge $1k for each photo they want us to permanently delete - $5k if they are a parent, and $50k if they are running for office"

user55340

1:41 AM

Worked for Ashely... oh, wait...

Ashley "u mad, son?" Madison

@Snowman On it. Couldn't delete from mobile/

and ban? pretty please? :D

user114359

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was talking social media in general. Who makes their tweets private, for example?

@Snowman well I admit I don't really "do" Twitter

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1:44 AM

@Snowman that would defeat the entire point of it.

still I imagine that if you have political ambitions, being a dick on public Twitter is not the brightest idea

so if it does become a problem in the future, then (a) so what you asked for it and (b) you'd likely have done the same thing in a newspaper or whatever were you 50 years younger

@MichaelT not really

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My point is it is easier now to be a fool on the internet and have it be an issue later in life.

@Snowman I won't dispute that

I guess I'm just saying, like, sod 'em, or whatever

sod 'em and call Gamora

Malina just gained 20 reputation points from the deletion and can now comment again rofl

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@ThomasOwens Thanks. You know flags are too slow at times like that, it takes you guys a week to respond because people like @JimmyHoffa are flooding you with bogus flags.

@Snowman you mean.. like this?

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1:48 AM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit I would prefer one of these:

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aight

2:04 AM

oh bloody hell I need to get to bed

BAI

8:20 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's better asked on Programmers.SE. This isn't a direct programming question — MSalters just now

10:26 AM

morning

12:18 PM

Happy Coffee Day

12:39 PM

@JimmyHoffa going to be Happy Tea Day for me today

12:54 PM

@enderland hey! What's the story on yesterday? Everything get all shit up, or turn out ok?

or am I early and it's today?

Today, going to interview at 12:30 to ????

Everyone is optimistic about it, I'm cautiously optimistic.

have fun on hackerrank? feel like an idiot from poking at it?

Fun

This has convinced me that I want to do development again

I don't care how much money is to be made in SAP land it's boring. as. hell.

@enderland you may recall this discussion was had in advance of you going to SAP land

@JimmyHoffa yeah. well. I basically decided, given the circumstances there, effectively being forced into that job, I was going to be optimistic and not "regretful" for 6 months and see how it was going

Not really a good idea to start a new job immediately bitter about it... :)

12:58 PM

heh aye

If this doesn't work out I'm just going to keep doing hackerrank and applying for other jobs. Though... I'd put good odds on something working out

fortunately I spent all day yesterday doing bullshit related to horribly designed software tools so. it'll be easy to have passion for doing dev again :P

hackerrank doesn't pay the rent though right

well it's not like I'm going to just quit and go pursue my dreams and something BS'y like that

y not

@enderland true that; there's no market for keg stand olympians yet

1:03 PM

This is a question for Programmers.SE. — Lightness Races in Orbit 30 secs ago

hopefully I got it right this time

@LightnessRacesinOrbit because I'm not an idiot?

@LightnessRacesinOrbit looks right to me

@enderland ok

@JimmyHoffa yay

speaking of chasing your dreams and pursuing your passions I heard @ThomasOwens really likes articles written by SE about that. :P

1:10 PM

haven't heard from @Ampt in a while; was he discovered?

@LightnessRacesinOrbit hah, unlikely; he's probably still in his cube sweating away over a keyboard trying to make his brilliant @Ampt bean actually work

:)

@enderland ಠ_ಠ

1:30 PM

am I the only one who likes coding with the same album/songs/band on repeat every day for weeks at a time? Seems less distracting when it's the same stuff over and over while drowning out the outside world so I can focus

last time I did a lot of coding it was Violent Femmes album on repeat for like 3 weeks, now for the past couple weeks it's been some bad british hip hop album, before Violent Femmes I probably coded to the same 20 songs from Johnny Cash for like 2 months..

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah that site closes everything as off-topic, because nobody knows what's on topic there, including the mods... — Lundin 5 mins ago

@JimmyHoffa no I do this too

sometimes even the same song for that time

@JimmyHoffa I've done that before, too.

you should ask that on Programmers. "what type of music do you normally listen to when coding? am I weird for repeating the same album for weeks on end?" I'm sure it will be received well

excuse me

Oooh, oooh, do spoofed emails through SMTP count? Because I can totally win this game. Super easy to send emails as anyone. So I can pick anyone to lose. I guess the downside is maybe getting fired. But at least I'll have donuts! — enderland ♦ 5 secs ago

1:51 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's only 8AM - patience

I'm barely even awake haha

Day2: exhaustion has set in already. Subject is barely coherent

nah, I just slept like poop last night

you're not helping your case :P

not used to the commute anymore - but I'll get over it

@Ampt what's the commute now? I thought your previous commute was like 3 hours every monday and friday or some such

1:55 PM

@JimmyHoffa yeah, previous was 3 hours monday morning, then 5 minutes there and back until thursday evening, which was another 3 hour commute

now I have a 40 minute train ride each way again

better than the hour and a half I used to have back when I was living in wisco

oh; getting up early

You moved? You living in Chicago burbs now?

yeah. used to be I could roll out of bed at 8:42 for a 9AM meeting

now I gotta be on the train by 7:50

@JimmyHoffa yup. Livin in P-town

haha boohoo I've been up since 3

@JimmyHoffa shut yer yapper you old fart

what, did the cows need milking?

@Ampt and herding, and I had to fix 3 miles of fence and go get the well going again before getting into the office to code for 3 hours oh btw, I have to get back to that coding thing; you know, that thing you don't remember how to do? Good luck ~~Paula bean~~! ;P

1:59 PM

enforced-ish

@JimmyHoffa ugh, you're really gonna go make me read that link?

yeah. I'm writing an email since both my current projects violate the policy lol!

I managed to spin up a VM, install the CMS flavor of the day, create a new project archetype out of maven, and deploy it all by noon yesterday. I'm doing pretty good for someone who hasn't touched the stuff since last year.

Just read the link - can confirm, I am brilliant.

@Ampt yeah whatever, today is when you find out everything you did yesterday was completely wrong and your VM is taking down production

@JimmyHoffa I sure hope not, considering that the VM is on my local computer hahahaha

go milk a goat

@Ampt viruses. :|

2:11 PM

are you saying that nigerian prince isn't actually going to wire me that money?

I really need to take up blogging.

@Ampt goats milk? Yuck. Goat meat on the other hand? Nom nom, I really do wish it was more common and easier to get your hands on..

@ThomasOwens I think that your real motivation here is wrong. I mean, how could you even come to such a baseless conclussion? Were you high when you wrote this?! Honestly. I think that I was smarter than you when I was 8, even though I was a pretty smart 8 year old. BTW, I have an exclusive offer for you friend - buymyshit.com is offering you a no risk trial of 800 male enhancement pills for 9.99 - just give us your credit card information to start your trial today!

There you go, it's like you have your own blog!

Day 2: update. Subject is suffering from delusions. Has lost touch with sense of reality. send. help. urgently.

amon

@Ampt you are way too good at this :)

2:14 PM

@amon ... I read a lot of comments on blogs. I don't know why.

they should make a blog comment blocker like adblock

be a fun regex game

I've always thought it must be fun to work on the SE engine to help prevent spam posts

@Ampt sometimes that's the most enjoyable part. I was reading comments on a blog just now from the daily wtf :)

Man it feels good to be back in the saddle

(from the article @JimmyHoffa posted)

@enderland just clicked in... are people adding useless html tags to their post for fun?

I was wondering about that, maybe the comment format changed at some point?

2:19 PM

some have it but some don't....

theres your real daily WTF

2:33 PM

@Ampt :(

(I wasn't one of the "on hold" voters, but: ) this question might be better suited for Programmers - the discussions over there tend to be more theoretical. — Dev-iL 51 secs ago

Q: Who should read Exception.Message if at all?

0

When designing exceptions should I write messages that a user or a developer should understand? Who should actually be the reader of exception messages? I find exception messages aren't useful at all and I always have a hard time writing them. By convention the type of the exception should alrea...

design exceptions

Anyone possibly think that's a duplicate of one or both of the questions I linked to in the comments?

3:03 PM

@ThomasOwens no

user55340

Whee! Asked to go to a meeting as an svn expert!

user55340

@Ampt did you update your IntelliJ license?

3:27 PM

@MichaelT probably will this week. Haven't in a long time lol

Day 2: I've performed a right of passage for the day by standing in a circle with the other developers. They each took turns talking in tongues then looked at me. Unaware of what to do, I just started reading off my code, which they seemed to accept. Slowly earning their trust.

3

hooray for rewriting the same bits of code 4 times

^--- key to not having stuff come back and bite you in the arse 3 months later when you don't remember it anymore at all

frustrating as hell though. mumble.

"This time it won't be kludgey and fragile! ...maybe!"

3:43 PM

I've noticed in some comments that people don't draw a distinction between a hosted web app and a desktop app. For example, in a comment about logging, someone made a comment that you should log a stack trace for certain exceptions. For a desktop app where the log files are written locally, you should never log a stack trace. Ever.

It's actually a security rule violation.

At least, in some environments.

user55340

@Ampt need to do it sooner than later to get all the discounts.

@MichaelT when does that offer end?

MetaFight

@ThomasOwens It really depends on the environment. In one of my previous jobs I had to write a front-end for a computer cluster. The cluster was on its own network, and so were all the front-end pcs. Effectively, there was no server for me to log to, so local logging was the only option. Because all the employees were trusted there was no issue in logging everything locally.

I even eventually trained some of the users to email me the log file instead of a screenshot of the top-left of the file opened in notepad ;P

4:03 PM

@ThomasOwens people unaware of relevant security concerns? since wheeeen??

@MetaFight Yeah. It depends a lot on a number of environmental factors.

user41796

@Shog9 - What harm would increasing the close vote count on Programmers (or SO for that matter) cause? I understand the concerns about burning out voters, but the Progs community has been begging for this change for quite some time. Jon has indicated it's a trivial configuration change to make. And as we're in the (understandable) 6-8 week delivery window for any major update to the flagging system, I can't help but wonder what harm it would create. At a minimum, it would be one less set of (semi-vocal) whinging you'd have to hear. — GlenH7 8 secs ago

user41796

^^^ Fishing for comment votes. :-)

You guys seriously run out of close votes every day?

if you do 20 CV reviews and watch the feed here it'd be easy to run out

4:10 PM

What we really need are need a couple more regulars who cast close votes, as I regularly come across questions with 3 and 4 votes to close that should have closed already.

Maybe SE wants you to lower your standards?

user41796

@RobertHarvey Very consistently yes.

@AaronHall The kinds of questions that RC reopens are not the larger problem. The larger problem is that people continuously post clearly off-topic questions that just need to be quickly closed and deleted. That process is harder than it should be right now.

user41796

@AaronHall One of the CMs has indirectly suggested that

Really?

user41796

4:13 PM

@RobertHarvey This. Yes. Late afternoon tends to be the worst as the regulars are out of votes and the craptastic tide doesn't stop

user41796

I'll pull the link, one second

user41796

@RobertHarvey The second portion of RC's answer pretty clearly implies he thinks we shouldn't be closing as much as we do

I feel like his answer is basically, "question quality doesn't matter if it provides useful answers"

I don't remember it, but I upvoted it back on Oct 5.

also an interesting thought exercise: what if this chat room just went on a close-vote strike?

user41796

4:17 PM

@enderland There's a lot of garbage that would pile up

That wouldn't seem constructive.

@GlenH7 ah, but does SE see it as garbage? or not?

user41796

In general, I'm not a fan of "protests" like that. It causes zero inconvenience to those who have the ability to change things (for the better) for the site. And it causes a lot of harm to the site itself.

user41796

@enderland Likely yes, but it's at nuisance level to them. Their priorities are elsewhere.

(this is why it's a thought exercise, it's worth thinking about how much crap would get piled up simply from the thought exercise...)

4:18 PM

Well, closing stuff doesn't make it go away, it just reduces the chance the asker will ask again. So there'd be more low-quality questions, and that would probably drive away some answerers.

user41796

SE is like any other company. Fixed amount of resources and a list of potential work items that exceeds the available resource level. Things have to be prioritized based upon perceived impact to the core business.

user41796

@AaronHall That's my main concern, yes

user55340

@Ampt I think end of year, but not certain.

well the problem is that it takes shog more time to tell you "no we won't give more close votes" than it does to just give them

user41796

If you have to wade through crap to find the gems, you might as well go back to searching through forums to find an answer to your question

user41796

4:20 PM

@enderland Hence the point of my latest comment to him

user55340

@RobertHarvey I had my stats posted last night about close votes.

I don't ask many questions myself - they take way too much effort to get a good reception.

user55340

I've cast 20,219 close votes now on the 1005 days since I got 3k rep here.

Anyways, I think the message is clear - lower your standards.

Q: What questions recently closed can be salvaged?

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When people ask about Programmers.SE being too negative, closing too many things, or needing to be more inclusive - the best way to approach this is probably to look at the questions that have been asked and put on hold in the past two days or so (the 100 most recent questions). possible lossy ...

discussion closed-questions specific-question scope

4:23 PM

where can I get my close vote count?

user41796

@AaronHall Tack ?tab=votes&sort=closure to the end of the URL when you look at your profile. http://programmers.stackexchange.com/users/102438/aaron-hall?tab=votes&sort=clo‌sure

user55340

Not 100% accurate for <10k users I suspect - don't see deleted posts.

I've done 1259 on StackOverflow.

user41796

404's for the rest of us, but should work for you

@AaronHall It's hard to ask a good question. hwrnmnbsol.livejournal.com/148664.html?page=1

It's easier to ask a lazy, softball question hoping someone stumbles across it who can look at it and say "hey, I see immediately what your problem is, even though you can't seem to articulate it."

blackbee

4:28 PM

hi there, java men here? I need some setup related guidance..

Nothing says "please don't read my question" like misspelling words in the title.

Unrelated: do you guys ever use these kinds of flowcharts? wiley.com/college/busin/icmis/oakman/outline/chap05/images/… What do you do if a data entry is the same as a start? Put an oval around the entry symbol?

blackbee

https://github.com/argentum47/jobsearch this is the application the MavenTestApp is the java part now I need to make a servlet .. but I have to add a web.xml file somewhere which I don't I want to since I read routing can be done with annotations now.
But to access the app like localhost:8081/blabla/search .. I need to put that context root somwehere.. where blabla is the context-root .. so I was wondering if that too can be done with annotations and not the xml file.

user41796

Dang.... Somebody actually listened!. 10k+ link, sorry. Props to @RobertHarvey.

> You can copy and paste this question to Reverse Engineering to post it there. When you do so, please delete this question by clicking the delete link below it. It takes eight other people to do the same thing if you don't do it. Always leave the area cleaner than when you arrived. Thank you. – Robert Harvey 27 mins ago

@blackbee Your question seems articulated well enough to be asked on Stack Overflow.

Just make sure you put the relevant code in the question. Don't just link to it.

blackbee

I have to add a question for this.. :( that's frightening ..

anyways thanks

A: Community list of Data Explorer queries

4:47 PM

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User Participation List here any queries you have that give interesting details about specific user participation. Specific user rankings or metrics for instance: Who's most best? Who's least best? Users average answer rep? What have you (what have me, us. yes). Highest user up vote and down v...

Did I get this from you guys? thedailywtf.com/articles/processing-a-rant

user41796

@JimmyHoffa That count is skewed because it doesn't include deleted questions

@GlenH7 then tweak it and update the post

user41796

Much easier to whinge about it

@AaronHall that's a good article

4:55 PM

@GlenH7 good point, I think I'll give that a go

@GlenH7 it's all screwed because it doesn't include stuff 'n shutup stuff

Yeah, that was definitely easier.

I'm just going to set this here now and leave it sitting:

@ShailenDesai: please delete your comment above. You're new to programming and Java, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. Bad language however is something to be ashamed of and to avoid on this site where some young programmers come for help. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 43 secs ago

A: Community list of Data Explorer queries

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Content to moderate List here any queries that pull questionable content that may need moderator flagging or user moderation such as close votes/deletion/open votes/undeletion/edit approval etc. Comments stating "+1" with little other content ...excluding closed posts downvote comments (com...

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I see your "shutup stuff" and raise you with Scotch

@GlenH7 10am on a Tuesday is a little early to be playing your trump cards; one of those weeks eh?

user41796

@JimmyHoffa SCOTCH

user41796

5:01 PM

It's never too early

:(

I want a jindal card or a carson card instead

as much as trump cards are wildcards...

I'd say no, it doesn't belong. There's no code involved, and shells and terminals are not tools used primarily by programmers. I voted to move it ti superuser.stackexchange.com which is IMO a better fit. — n.m. 15 secs ago

@GlenH7 :/ know how that goes

@GlenH7 if I'm understanding things correctly; I would strongly discourage sticking your fingers in your ears - it would seem that's all it takes to give you an ear infection.

user41796

Probably. Who knows where my fingers have been?

user41796

@enderland - time to find your zen moments. :-)

5:26 PM

@enderland have you tried imagining a better tomorrow?

ratchet freak

a better tomorrow is a pipe dream, the real goal should be to always have a worse yesterday

user55340

@RobertHarvey fwiw, I'm out of close votes now.

user41796

5:42 PM

@MichaelT I'm kinda curious to know who the two were that ran out so frequently in the last 90. I'm suspecting it was you and gnat.

@ratchetfreak Creating a Worse Yesterday For Tomorrow, Today.

user55340

@GlenH7 probably. I'm curious what days I didn't use all the votes on.

@GlenH7 ;) here's to hoping a successful employer++ loop today! and not an off-by-one error somewhere...

user41796

@enderland good luck!

6:34 PM

Also, for questions that are more design/best practices, there is Programmers.SE, and if you want somebody to look over the code, there is CodeReview.SE. You may find a better fit in one of those places. — dcsohl 1 min ago

@GlenH7 ? parade route? It's not the fifth of novermber yet

user41796

Apparently they decided to celebrate anyway... :-)

@MichaelT You should jigger with one of my queries there and chart closures you were involved in over time by [DateClosed] - maybe a summation per date or you can DATEPART(DAYOFWEEK ...) and average or such

(data analysis has always been a part of being a coder I've enjoyed)

@dcsohl It's not like I didn't think about it :) I looked into CodeReview's help and I could not answer "yes" to all of the questions. And Programmer's help says not to ask about "implementation issues, such as code fixes (ask on Stack Overflow instead)". — user1803551 23 secs ago

@enderland Oh boy, good luck!

is it bad form to take off the 2 weeks of christmas/new years?

user55340

6:48 PM

Nope.

user55340

Sun, back in the day had those two weeks off.

user41796

@Ampt pretty standard, tbh

@Ampt I've done it every year since my first year.