Ask Ubuntu General Room

Stefano Palazzo

14:01

@Allan right, open().readlines() is your best bet for this kind of thing, it's immensely fast if your lines are short (< 1000 chars)

note that readlines() gives you each line with a trailing line-feed (\n), and the last element is just "\n", so you'll want to use some sort of generator function like the dictionary one

Allan

@StefanoPalazzo Thanks for the tip I'll give it a go.

Stefano Palazzo

i for i an list if [some condition] is basically like a filter,

like, i for i in range(1000) if i % 2 == 0.

Allan

@StefanoPalazzo like tooth for a tooth ;)

Stefano Palazzo

hehe

Marco Ceppi

Does anyone speak - or read Japanese? What does this symbol mean: 見

Stefano Palazzo

14:08

google ;-)

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo I tried, but I'm getting inconsistent results :)

Allan

@StefanoPalazzo If you are using python its a prerequisite that you throw a joke in now and again. And now for something completely different.

@MarcoCeppi where from?

probably depends on the context

Stefano Palazzo

↑ try "import antigravity" on the interactive interpreter

:-)

or even "from __future__ import braces"

Marco Ceppi

@Allan I'm designing a logo so I want to make sure it doesn't say something it's not supposed to :)

Stefano Palazzo

I know it's possible to write a program that makes sense of "Ø¹Ø¨Ø¯Ø§Ù„Ù„Ù‡ Ø§Ù„Ø¹Ù†Ø²ÙŠ"

maybe I should try

Allan

14:13

@StefanoPalazzo saw that is it martian or something utf8 not gtf8

TheX

martians?? where??

Stefano Palazzo

docs.python.org/library/codecs.html#standard-encodings these are all the encodings it could have been, before it was converted wrongly

TheX

@MarcoCeppi 　konnichi wa

lazyPower

morning @KaustubhP

James Gifford

@MarcoCeppi I just asked one of my Twitter buddies who's learning Japanese - he says "見" means "To see." twitter.com/#!/joertell/status/51285939842068480

Marco Ceppi

14:17

@JamesGifford Awesome, thanks - that's exactly what I wanted it to mean

James Gifford

@MarcoCeppi You're welcome.

Stefano Palazzo

I think the string i posted probably means عبدالله العنزي

:-)

TheX

I am learning Japanese but so far I have only learned one word :-(

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi I think the problem might be on your end, I tried to correct the garbled string, it doesn't change a thing

Marco Ceppi

14:41

@StefanoPalazzo huh?

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi try signing with a utf8 string like عبدالله العنزي

Marco Ceppi

عبدالله العنزي

?

Stefano Palazzo

oh lol, so sorry, I'm talking about ourfriendsinjapan.com

Marco Ceppi

ohic

Stefano Palazzo

forgot to mention that :D

Kaustubh P

15:07

@lazyPower morning!

Anyone know good blogs/sites related to sys administration?

Marco Ceppi

@KaustubhP blog.serverfault.com

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi what was the name of the server planning service you recommended yesterday?

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower rightscale.com it's free unless you want support. Hooks into Rackspace and Amazon clouds

Kaustubh P

@MarcoCeppi Does SO run on windows servers?

Marco Ceppi

@KaustubhP Yup

7

Q: How would #1 Bug would be fixed if AskUbuntu uses a Windows Platform?

Unless this is a Mono port of stackoverflow and it is running on Ubuntu server. Please clarify (Ubuntu's bug #1 is that Microsoft is more popular than Ubuntu - see at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 )

Kaustubh P

15:18

hmm..

Thats interesting.

lazyPower

@KaustubhP its a C# .net solution

@MarcoCeppi Thanks for the repost. I'm pitching Amazon at my superiors right now. So far the response has been #yourmom

Kaustubh P

And what is the webapp written in?

@lazyPower cool, we also use AWS :)

Marco Ceppi

@KaustubhP .net I believe

lazyPower

@KaustubhP its a C# .net MVC (asp.net) solution.

Stefano Palazzo

MVC huh

lazyPower

15:23

yeah, model view controller

Stefano Palazzo

that reminds me of "object pascal", just stick a programming buzzword onto it :)

lazyPower

its not webforms

well, asp.net comes in 2 flavors, thats why i differentiated

i'm working on webforms at my job, and mvc has become the new industry standard since .net 3.5

true separation of design/logic.

if its done correctly that is

Stefano Palazzo

So, you could write proper MVC code with the other flavour, but this one makes it easier?

lazyPower

in webforms? ehhh.. i want to say yes but in reality no. there are a few conventions that make that cumbersome and really a pain in the *** to do.

Stefano Palazzo

Not knowing any of .net, this seems to me like saying "Encapsulated Java"

lazyPower

15:25

example, all webform apps design must appear between a <Form runat=server> tag, mvc has no restriction like that.

Stefano Palazzo

yeah that makes sense

lazyPower

its similiar to that, yes. my knowledge of encapsulated java is VERY VERY limited (As in, the wikipedia article i read on it a while back...)

Stefano Palazzo

hang on, there is a thing called Encapsulated Java? I just made that up as a joke

to illustrate that MVC is something the programmer should do, not the platform

lazyPower

:P thats what i get for trying ot sound quasi-intelligent

Stefano Palazzo

heh

lazyPower

15:28

i took it as encapsulation in java

Stefano Palazzo

oh okay

lazyPower

@StefanoPalazzo MVC is a programming practice, yes. There are several libraries and other "hooks" that make this easier in .net MVC

cakephp, syphony, support MVC logic in PHP

Stefano Palazzo

makes total sense to me now

lazyPower

Since your a python guy

have a look at this

15

Q: What's a good lightweight Python MVC framework?

I know there are a ton of Python frameworks out there. Can you guys point me in the right direction? My primary concern is simplicity, I don't need a lot of extraneous features. Here are a couple of other things that I'd want (or don't want): don't care for ORM, just want it to work with MySQL ...

python mvc frameworks lightweight

Marco Ceppi

.NET is a framework - not a language :) That's how I've always viewed it

lazyPower

15:33

@MarcoCeppi you're right, my mistake for being over-extended. I'm not communicating very well today.... i think this whole meeting-via-email business thats going on has me taxed. I need to go back to coding and forget this administrative clout.

Stefano Palazzo

I don't know what I'm talking about here, but there's also a ".net language", "common language" or something right? Like a universal bytecode?

Marco Ceppi

Think of how Windows did it's OS: Kernel, userland, etc all squished into one. They did the same thing with ASP and .NET they are separate but really they are not.

lazyPower

@StefanoPalazzo .net framework compiles things into a "common language" and that is interpreted via the CLI (common language interface)

Stefano Palazzo

right, just like there are a bunch of compilers that spit out java bytecode

lazyPower

MONO has done an excellent job of implementing a CLI for nix

Stefano Palazzo

15:36

I remember reading a paper about a compiler that spits out C. Can't remember what it was called now.

That'd be even more awesome, if you had a bunch of languages that all "compiled to C"

Greg

@MarcoCeppi I've noticed your notification extension slows down my PC very badly :(

it just hung chrome for about a minute when someone responded to me in another room

Marco Ceppi

@Greg yeah, it's really inefficient. The release this weekend will have a more efficient version of the plugin

Greg

is the source available?

Marco Ceppi

Yup

launchpad.net/chromify-osd

Stefano Palazzo

wow awesome, this really isn't a lot of code

Marco Ceppi

15:42

Nope - the problem is, it still injects the npapi on every page which is just stupid.

It should use the background.html that loaded as part app - and only once for a browser session. Then share that object forward making it accessible to the pages injected code

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi we are taking a step backwords.. our project lead is pushing for shared hosting so we have a level of accountability on someone elses end.

Marco Ceppi

I just haven't found an elegant solution for it

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi nobody is seeing the underlying issue here of hosting.com is still to blame for our downtime.

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower With the cloud you'll never have downtime because of a bad datacenter (if you set it up right)

@lazyPower just say "Listen, I'm smart - you're not. I know it's hard not really knowing what's going on and trying to point fingers. This is what we need - so we can do this to be successful. If you don't do it we'll just continue to flail and bleed money."

Make sure you use buzz words

like Web 2.0, Ajax, and cloud

thsoe always get people's attention

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi what is the level of accountability on amazon ec2? thats going to be the only hook i have to stand ground against this step backwords.

Marco Ceppi

15:47

@lazyPower you can check their SLAs

Stefano Palazzo

I have a social vision for a cloud based bottom-up web 2.0 curating API

but I think geocities is out of business...

Marco Ceppi

but they own datacenters all over the world

aws.amazon.com/ec2-sla

> AWS will use commercially reasonable efforts to make Amazon EC2 available with an Annual Uptime Percentage (defined below) of at least 99.95% during the Service Year.

Stefano Palazzo

ec2 is awfully cheap

lazyPower

stack exchange needs an e-mail type feature. i want to send you this rebuttle

@MarcoCeppi would you like to see "as the server explodes .. these are the days of our meetings" soap opera thats unfolding in my inbox?

Marco Ceppi

You can just email it to me

lazyPower

15:54

marco dot ceppi at gfail dot com ?

Marco Ceppi

nope

Marco Ceppi ♦, Vienna, VA

9.3k 1 20 45

10.10 10.04 command-line package-management server installation gnome

Stefano Palazzo

not sure If I'm getting this right. When they they Reserved Instance, One-Time fee, 1 year term, 54$, does that mean you pay 54$ and that's it, what ever you do with the instance?

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo No you pay $54 on top of your usage (bandwidth and disk space)

we just use instant ones though - no need to reserve :)

Stefano Palazzo

Oh I see, so that's just the fee for it being a "reserved instance"

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo Right - it's got a guaranteed run slot and resources in that "zone"

Stefano Palazzo

15:57

right. If they charge 0.095$ per hour, assuming it's running at full tilt for a year, that's $832.20, still pretty cheap

minus four hours and twenty minutes of downtime :P

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo If you get micro instances it's like 0.03$/hr

Sorry 0.02

Oli

Plus storage?

and bandwidth

Stefano Palazzo

it's .025 if you want the server to be in ireland (:

Marco Ceppi

yes, plus bandwidth and diskspace charges

Stefano Palazzo

and that's exactly what I want

Oli

15:59

Still doesn't come out much cheaper than non "cloud" VPS alternatives

Marco Ceppi

For the 10 processing servers we run that are micro in US-EAST we pay 134/mo

Considering most comparative statisticed servers ( figure each micro is 600MB ram) that's not a bad deal

Oli

@MarcoCeppi That doesn't work - 10(0.02×24×30) = 144

Marco Ceppi

@Oli Well we don't always have all 10 on

Oli

I see

Marco Ceppi

we average between 8 and 12

depending on demand

last month was $134

Oli

16:01

Sure

Stefano Palazzo

mh, a german company offers a VPS at 10€ a month, unlimited traffic

Oli

@StefanoPalazzo OpenVZ?

Stefano Palazzo

Still trying to sort out the details, they talk about the cloud so much it's hard to tell what they sell

Oli

(rather than Xen, etc as the virtualisation tech)

@StefanoPalazzo A common issue these days :(

James Gifford

Well, it's a good marketing tactic.

If you're trying to woo the people holding the money and not the people who have to deal with it.

Stefano Palazzo

16:04

@Oli is this business of "unlimited traffic" common for cheap VPSs? They say it's 100mbits, no throttling

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi ridiculous is it not?

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower just sent you your selling point with another email right behind it

Stefano Palazzo

@Oli it's Parallels, apparently

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo So, Virtuozzo? :)

Stefano Palazzo

the company is 1&1 (I think they do business outside of germany as well)

Marco Ceppi

16:07

@StefanoPalazzo Oh, they do hates 1&1

George Edison

1&1 is bad?

Stefano Palazzo

Can't see why at the moment :-) This offer sounds awesome to me (a sysadmin noob)

Marco Ceppi

I think all hosting companies are bad, now that I think about it.

George Edison

Mine is pretty awesome.

Marco Ceppi

I've been thinking about starting shared hosting by running Amazon instances

George Edison

16:09

@Marco: You and me should start a hosting company :P

(Running Ubuntu Server of course...)

Marco Ceppi

You would laugh if I told you how many times I've tried to start a hosting company

George Edison

(Although I know you preferred something else - I can't remember what it was.)

Stefano Palazzo

they're cheapest VPS is, quote "0€".
doesn't sound entirely trustworthy

George Edison

@MarcoCeppi Okay... try me.

Marco Ceppi

16

George Edison

16:10

@StefanoPalazzo Where's that?

Lol... you win :P

Marco Ceppi

The 16th attempt is working pretty well as of now

but we don't have the ability to scale...yet

Stefano Palazzo

never mind, it's 0€ for three months, and <small> 39€ afterwards</small>

I never thought to look, but most of the VPS offers have Ubuntu installed by default, if you don't choose anything else

that's awesome

Oli

@StefanoPalazzo I personally won't touch anything that plays fast-and-lose with RAM allocations. If you see the phrase (or German analogue) "burstable", run for your life. I had a client on a burstable system and his wordpress site was happy to nom up all the RAM and the server just ground to an awful, swappy halt every time the burstable portion was reigned back in.

James Gifford

linode. That's my two cents to this convo. Linode. linode.com/index.cfm

Marco Ceppi

Ah, OOM kills

Oli

16:17

@MarcoCeppi Yeah, it's just the scaling nature of things that was fooling Apache/PHP/WP into thinking it had a lot more space for expansion... Until it didn't.

Marco Ceppi

Burstable isn't a bad thing - but these two bit hosts try to cram 150 VPS on one hardware node with 64GB of ram - and just have them duke it out for space.

Oli

Exactly

George Edison

@JamesGifford You're the third person to tell me that.

Oli

It's not just memory allocation that suffers, the CPU is usually under much higher contention. That's how it's cheaper.

James Gifford

@GeorgeEdison Only the third? :p

Marco Ceppi

16:18

Also, Virtouzzo (and OpenVZ by proxy) is horrible at relaying the right memory usage to containers - typically it'll just say what the host hardware has

Oli

And definitely not VPS.net. They use XEN but they're awful. My rant: thepcspy.com/read/why-i-cant-recommend-vpsnet

George Edison

@JamesGifford Yup... but hardly anyone recommends anything these days, so that's pretty good.

Stefano Palazzo

I'd be very happy with ram fixed at 512m

just have to write smarter programs :)

George Edison

Doesn't VBox have an API?

Oli

But yeah, heartily recommend Linode too. Fast, solid and they don't dodge questions about the framework they use.

George Edison

16:20

I thought it had an XUL-based one.

@Oli Do they offer truly customizable VPSs?

James Gifford

@GeorgeEdison Guess so. If you're doing ruby on rails (Or sinatra, or any ruby web framework) stuff, heroku is awesome as well.

George Edison

Like could I replace Apache with something else?

Oli

@GeorgeEdison How do you mean?

Jorge Castro

linode is pretty awesome

Oli

@GeorgeEdison Yeah, you just get an Ubuntu machine that you can do anything with

George Edison

16:21

Cool!

Oli

Affilliate link if anybody wants to earn me $20 when signing up: linode.com/?r=18f121d2d8e8985a3bd752b945f5410ba2627e69

Most people selling a VPS will give you root access. It's not really a VPS if they don't

George Edison

@Oli Thanks. I bookmarked it for later.

Jorge Castro

Linode's good to existing customers too

when I had it over time they would like, throw in RAM for free, etc.

but that was the early days

I don't really have a need for a VPS these days though

Oli

@JorgeCastro Yeah they tend to do that on their birthday

blog.linode.com/2010/06/16/linode-turns-7-big-ram-increase

That was the last one, last year... ~42% increase in RAM for no extra money

Jorge Castro

nice

Oli

16:27

I also like their CPU allotment. I've got a dozen Django sites running on my Linode and bear in mind it's peak time for most of them but because there's a very limited number of sites on a host machine, everything just flies and nothing backs up. My Load is 0.00 0.00 0.00

Of course as soon as I said that, it would have to peak to the dizzy heights of 0.05, 0.01, 0.00

Marco Ceppi

@Oli Considering I almost crashed our devel server with a load of 102 that's not that bad :P

Oli

102?!

When I see a system at 3 or 4, I get nervous. Sounds like a beast of a machine.

George Edison

102... out of 100? :P

Oli

1 is "100% of one CPU" IIRC

So if there's only 1 CPU, 102 is 10,200% CPU, aka hugely overloaded.

Jorge Castro

I thought the number was the amount of time it took a process to execute

Marco Ceppi

16:39

Load (computing)

In UNIX computing, the system load is a measure of the amount of work that a computer system performs. The load average represents the average system load over a period of time. It conventionally appears in the form of three numbers which represent the system load during the last one-, five-, and fifteen-minute periods. Unix-style load calculation All Unix and Unix-like systems generate a metric of three "load average" numbers in the kernel. Users can easily query the current result from a Unix shell by running the uptime command: $ uptime 14:34:03 up 10:43, 4 users, load avera...

Roland Taylor

hi

Allan

Just had a sikuli/python script uploading a batch of tasks to rtm for me most fun I've had in ages (complete nerd)

@RolandTaylor Ho

@RolandTaylor its off to work we go

Roland Taylor

@Allan ^^

wow that sounds like fun

Allan

@RolandTaylor I hate doing anything repetitive on a computer they were designed so we didn't have to do that

Oli

Well.. Huzzzah! Sold the house.

3

Allan

16:48

@Oli literally?

Oli

In 9 days for slightly more than the asking price. And got them to buy a load of furniture as we don't have to move it, on top.

@Allan Yeah

When I say sold, I mean, under offer. Now starts the long process of getting contracts drawn up and conveyed

Roland Taylor

@Allan that's true

Allan

@Oli is this for more capital for the tyranid army?

Oli

@Allan I'd like to say you could buy a lot of Tyranids for a house... But they were expensive way-back-when... God knows how much they cost now

Allan

@Oli and then there's the paint and the brushes........

Oli

16:56

That'll set you back £31+P&P + paint

Allan

@Oli Btw when's the film out or is it already?

Oli

@Allan Ultramarines, last year. Haven't seen it.

imdb.com/title/tt1679332

George Edison

Hypercorrection

In linguistics, hypercorrection is defined as usage of some rule of pronunciation or grammatical prescription that many users of a language consider incorrect, but that the speaker or writer uses through misunderstanding of these rules, often combined with a desire to seem formal or educated. Linguistic hypercorrection occurs when a real or imagined grammatical or phonetical rule is applied in a mistaken or non-standard context, so that an attempt to be "correct" leads to an incorrect result: Faced with enough exceptions to a rule, the speaker might mistake the exception for the general...

Allan

@Oli The Pretty Boys Chapter the makeup budget must have been astronomical (I know it was cg) ;)

lazyPower

17:22

@MarcoCeppi i fear I am the only person plugging that we go to the cloud.

Greg

@Oli I made a website for a guy who paints models like that

are you allowed to self-advertise on here?

Allan

@Greg go for it greg

Greg

daemonprincepaintbox.com

I think he does some good painting

Allan

@Greg But what's the Avatar doing in there ;)

Token Eldar

Greg

@Allan I don't know what you mean

I don't know anything about the models, I just made the site

James Gifford

17:33

@Greg HTML5 boilerplate? #curious

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower There's only so much you can do

Greg

@JamesGifford no but I probably took some inspiration from html5 boilerplate

lazyPower

i used your response as my final rebuttle, if it falls upon deaf ears, i'm out on the whole clout. I AM the new guy after all, i must be stupid.

James Gifford

@Greg Ah ok.

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower Well when it fails again as it will - simply be like "I remember when I mentioned Cloud"

lazyPower

17:37

hah :)

Marco Ceppi

At the end of the day it's not your call despite how much you want it to me

lazyPower

i love being arrogant

hi5 @MarcoCeppi

Octavian Damiean

good god ... screw inline skating and the one who invented it ...

lazyPower

@OctavianDamiean you have ot have strong ankles for it. I alas, do not have them. I've ate more asphalt from trying ot learn inline skating than I care to admit.

Octavian Damiean

well I used to be pretty good (not to say quite amazing) but apparently I'm getting older too which is quite a surprise for me

actually not surprise but shock

lazyPower

17:50

@OctavianDamiean i feel ya. I leapt off the porch here at work and clicked my heels, i've put on about 15 lb's since i started this job and i'll be darned if I didnt feel the weight + age difference of just 2 years ago. Forward momentum + being in mid air usually doesnt end well unless you're wearing a helmet.

Octavian Damiean

I'm so exhausted that even thinking is hard ...

@lazyPower heh :)

lazyPower

sorry, had a mortality moment this afternoon ;)

Stefano Palazzo

18:05

wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/LightningTalks

looks like I'm not going to be pressed for time :D

James Gifford

yay! :D

Stefano Palazzo

this next app developer week is going to be awesome

lazyPower

\o/

James Gifford

I've noticed that a lot of the apps in Ubuntu are python based. How hard is it to do ruby based applications? (Just curious - sorry if this sounds like a stupid question).

lazyPower

@JamesGifford not hard at all

James Gifford

18:12

@lazyPower So it's just not "common" then?

lazyPower

@JamesGifford however, the ubuntu ruby package isnt quite "sane", there are some tweaks you will have to do to get ruby up to snuff.

@JamesGifford indeed. Plus i beleive that Ubuntu has made it rather easy to write python apps by pretty much advertising for it. I've seen quite a few articles about writing python apps for gnome/ubuntu. I've read next to nothing about ruby. Most of the ruby buzz is in rails these days though.

and if you're @MarcoCeppi you hate ruby, and pearl, and anything that isnt PHP :P

Stefano Palazzo

When it comes to GTK, python and ruby are about equally easy

James Gifford

@lazyPower True. And since we were just praising the cloud, kinda makes sense that all the ruby buzz is rails.

Stefano Palazzo

it's just that there are a lot of python libraries that you can use

making even very complicated things very easy to implement

Marco Ceppi

@lazyPower I don't hate python :)

lazyPower

18:14

I dig how python is like .net, you can impliment other language's libraries (or so i've read)

i personally dont know python. and have no experience in it.

Stefano Palazzo

@lazyPower It's very easy to write python modules in C and C++, and if you're using Jython, you can just "import" every Java library (same for IronPython and every .net language)

lazyPower

@StefanoPalazzo thats sick :) i like it. I'll have to look into IronPython at some point.

Stefano Palazzo

and you can access every c and c++ shared library with two lines of code

James Gifford

Hmm. I think I'll be the person to write a ruby note taking app for Ubuntu. And I'll get it in the repositories. (Or at least try).

or something.

lazyPower

@JamesGifford make it as useful as one-note (dont flame me plz)

EvilPhoenix

18:16

sup

lazyPower

@JamesGifford thats the one app i wish i had. Theres no decent alternative that I have found. Handwriting recognition, integrated math functions, tagging, "cloud based note taking", collaborative notes... lofty project, but you know ;)

James Gifford

@lazyPower I won't flame you. ;) And I'll start working on that as soon as I finish this OTHER thing I actually promised someone I'd do. :p

@lazyPower Hehehe. ;)

lazyPower

haha

I wonder if its possible using webkit....

ponders this

Marco Ceppi

You could probably do it with cappuccino.org

Stefano Palazzo

@JamesGifford ruby-gnome.sourceforge.net/tutorial/x276.html couldn't be more straightforward

lazyPower

18:19

you know, thats a decent idea tho, having it use webkit as a backend. so your export is as easy just save->save-as and blam, you have a "note site" ready for publishing.

James Gifford

I gotta go do some school stuff. Cya guys.

@StefanoPalazzo ooooh. I love that. I'll bookmark. Thanks!

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi Objective-J?

really?

should I write it using my ipad? :P

Stefano Palazzo

hehe

Marco Ceppi

We went through this earlier wih @OctavianDamiean

It even spawned this tweet

Just found out how to make every programming language suck. Put "Objective-" in front of it. There you go.

Tweeted by mainerror on March 11, 2011 at 7:47 PM

fail badp

#Objective Python stacktrace:

in mirrors.opy, line 19:
  def select_best_mirror(mirrors):
Warning: this method appears to be subjective and is likely to be closed

</bad-pun-of-the-day>

Alvar

18:28

can you buy .flac music somewhere? because I can't find any place that sells high quality music... and then they blame me for downloading illegal! LOL

fail badp

@Alvar some authors do that

see for example jonathancoulton.com/store/flac

Alvar

any others? more international?

fail badp

I enjoy explicits! international. Jonatah Coulton is awesome. Give "The future now" a try. Or "Ikea". Or "Code Monkey". Or "Re: Your Brains". Or "Still Alive". ;)

Alvar

@failbadp tsss... it's way to expensive.. insane prices really.. well have to stick to beeing a criminal and just buy the t-shirts...

fail badp

I roll eyes!

Alvar

18:32

+1 :)

fail badp

@Alvar ...it's 0.01$ more than what iTunes charges for lossy mp3's btw

and the "Hear" button gives you the full song, no 30 seconds crap

Alvar

@failbadp well I have never bought anything from itunes, too expensive..

should be like 2€ per album or so, then it's ok...

fail badp

Well, at any rate, you can get FLAC format music; you'll have to hunt a bit for it though.

Alvar

@failbadp it's 30...

hehe... well still... I can't find any of "the Hives" "the Haunted"

well later...

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi that.... is epic

Marco Ceppi

18:36

@lazyPower No, it's frail - Objective-J isn't the best, but it's not Perl and you can make some cool things with Cappuccino

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi but usually a bigoted statement is frail in the first place. born out of a fusion of cynicism and ignorance.

@MarcoCeppi hense why its epic, because it appeals to me on a level that i work with every day ;) fighting off the injustice of bigotry in a startup company.

htorque

update design changes as requested
- disable all icon popout animations

=> unity

boo! i liked the launcher icons popping out

Marco Ceppi

@htorque popping out?

htorque

yeah, if the launcher is hidden

a launcher item claiming attention would pop out by some pixels

Stefano Palazzo

@htorque what's the replacement?

Marco Ceppi

18:40

@htorque that sounds awesome

htorque

@StefanoPalazzo the replacement is: nothing. :..(

lazyPower

thats a bummer

@htorque send back a rebuttle bug that unity needs more cowbell

Stefano Palazzo

oh :(

htorque

i remember reading that the ubuntu cof in the top-left corner was supposed to change its color

Stefano Palazzo

The askubuntu lens works again (:

htorque

18:43

i got to try that next week

i just wait for the early adopters to catch all the bad bugs :P

Stefano Palazzo

I'd love it if someone could try out the no-google-modification, but it's a little harder to get this one running

htorque

what does the mod do?

Stefano Palazzo

doesn't use google :)

htorque

ha, ok :D

google is evil, so that's good! :P

Stefano Palazzo

It also has extra whatyoumightcall "features" ;-)

that is, it shows a lot more results and puts them behind an extender triangle thingy

lazyPower

18:49

yay extender triangle thingys

ah its true, i have all but checked out

hurray for friday

Marco Ceppi

# uptime
 14:47:30 up 1 day,  5:48,  2 users,  load average: 5.32, 5.87, 8.81
# free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:           621        441        180          0          8         30
-/+ buffers/cache:        402        219
Swap:            0          0          0
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5430  @ 2.66GHz

Nothing wrong here.

htorque

load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.14

my poor cpu

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