Ask Ubuntu General Room

Joshua

00:06

@jrg are you trying to say my computer isn't awesome?

jrg

@Joshua i'm saying you need to build another one and give it to your wife for Christmas so you can have your desktop back.

Joshua

Oh... well I put her laptop back together so I am cool :-D

jrg

i may have just found a really, really cool thing.

aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-update

Joshua

um okay what is it?

jrg

auto chromium updater for arch.

Joshua

00:09

who uses arch?

About as many people that use Windows Vista?

jrg

ok, true

but i could adapt this to ubuntu...

Joshua

that you need to do.

jrg

well that was simple.

Joshua

Oh?

jrg

@amithKK: see this, i'm going to be using this from now on. adapting it to a ppa is low on my priorities, but at least it works.

@Joshua yeah. i now have the latest chromium nightly running for me.

Joshua

00:13

Cool but share the knowledge :=P

Elysium

hey guys

Joshua

@Elysium yo.

Elysium

do you know why my external HD doesnt appear in the Xubuntu file manager? Could that be cause of a common problem?

Joshua

Lets start with the obvious, is it plugged in and powered?

jrg

is it plugged in, is it powered, and what is it formatted as?

Elysium

00:16

ext4

plugged in

Joshua

@jrg lol

jrg

what happens if you do tail -f /var/log/syslog

and then unplug it

Elysium

I havent installed the updates yet after the resintall...but this should be an issue

jrg

and then plug it back in?

@Joshua: Just pushed it up to github. github.com/jrgifford/chromium-update

Elysium

I have just used a normal pendrive and that worked

Joshua

00:17

@Elysium installing updates should always be your first step in troubleshooting :-D

Elysium

alrighty

then in the morning

I am knackered :D

good night guys and thx

Joshua

@jrg that would be great if I new what I was to do with that.

jrg

@Joshua relax, i'll hack together a PPA or something.

Joshua

@jrg lol....

you telling me to releax???

:=P

jrg

probably would just be a script that you run, it downloads it, hacks together a cronjob to run every day and update it.

Joshua

00:20

@jrg so in all seriousness, this is the first time I have booted into Ubuntu since Windows 8 was released...

jrg

i see

Joshua

I am not sure if I can adapt...

jrg

i have faith in you.

Joshua

I don't....

iSeth

00:33

@Joshua Unity = Taskbar sidways but better =)

@jrg Have any experience a with ATI Radeon 4890?

jrg

nope, i'm a Radeon HD 6320.

but i can take a stab at it. whats up?

iSeth

askubuntu.com/questions/221957/super-slow-and-laggy/…

jrg

huh

iSeth

I think its a driver problem

jrg

thats weird.

iSeth

00:41

I can't find it here either

jrg

so it's 4000 series.

support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/…

that's the link

iSeth

So it is hd?

as in HD 4890?

jrg

if i had to guess, that'd be it

iSeth

OK, I was guessing that too.

jrg

ok, why is debian packaging so freakin' difficult? Arch has a pretty slick packaging system.

Journeyman Geek

00:44

lol

jrg

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Packaging_Standards

Journeyman Geek

@jrg: could be simpler. I tend to gasp throw together packages with checkinstall

jrg

there, in a single wikipage, is how to build a high-quality AUR package.

iSeth

@jrg the driver gives me a .run file

jrg

@iSeth right. you run that and you have to compile the drivers. hangon

52

Q: What is the correct way to install ATI Catalyst Video Drivers (fglrx)?

I am planning on doing a fresh install of 12.04 LTS and want to know what is the correct way to install ATI Catalyst Video Driver? There are multiple valid answers for this question spanning over several versions of Ubuntu. For your convenience an index of each below: 12.10 12.04 11.10/11....

36

A: Is my ATI graphics card supported in Ubuntu?

Officially Supported Hardware To check if your card is supported visit this site. If you card is not listed there then probably it is too new and simply is not supported by any ATI driver. Installation of the drivers Before installing any drivers you need to install some dependencies to your...

those two are good.

iSeth

00:46

thanks i'll look at those =)

jrg

good luck

iSeth

O_o thats a lot to sift through

"

Latest proprietary AMD Catalyst driver version 12.9 cannot be used with Ubuntu 12.10 If you have a AMD Radeon HD 2xxx-4xxx series card.

Drivers for these cards are now available in a separate branch called legacy series. Unfortunately these legacy drivers (version 12.6) have not been updated to work with Ubuntu 12.10. Ubuntu 12.10 comes with xorg 1.13 while these drivers have support for older xorg 1.12. So if you want to install these drivers in Ubuntu 12.10, you have to downgrade to xorg 1.12.

that makes it easier

RolandiXor - The Ice Man

Hi all.

jrg

securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/36207851717/…

Flabricorn

01:14

@jrg Did Andrew talk to you about Saturday?

jrg

@Flabricorn what, d&d?

Joshua

dungeon and dragons?

jrg

yah

Joshua

over the internet?

Flabricorn

@jrg Yes, we cannot make it, Swim meet. We were wondering if there was any way that we could talk to people about rescheduling for Sunday. Also he invited me without consulting anyone, so also that.

@Joshua No, this is the real world.

jrg

01:16

@Flabricorn i can't make it either, so... that sucks.

Joshua

@jrg oh cool...

Flabricorn

"Natural Light" Psssh, I'll believe it if I see it.

@jrg Any way you could make Sunday?

Joshua

@jrg I am glad my super nerd detector was going off...

jrg

@Flabricorn i can call the guy and talk to him, but i can't make Sunday.

and neither can he come to think of it.

Flabricorn

Welp, that a little bit complicated things.

jrg

01:17

a scout troop event.

Flabricorn

SO, I'll talk to Andrew about it.

Joshua

@jrg you just need to earn your Eagle Scout badge and leave the cult...

@jrg I mean I was a scout too... but I left before they good make me a good person...

Flabricorn

@Joshua I left prematurely as well.

Joshua

I saw through the merit badges and the community service, and the camping trips....

Flabricorn

Really? I never made it to tenderfoot.

jrg

01:19

lol

Flabricorn

I mean there were so many pages in that book, and so little I was prepared to actually participate in.

Joshua

and the fact that my scout master was a state trooper was kind of scary too...

Flabricorn

Alright, I'm going to block AskUbuntu until 10:00 PM, so I can work without being distracted.

jrg

hey, one of my friends had a former navy seal for his SM. he said it was one of the best years of his life. :P

Joshua

@jrg I guess there is nothing like boot camp at summer camp...

jrg

01:29

@Joshua shrug

Joshua

One of my assitant scout masters was a ex-coast guard seaman or whatever they call themselves

jrg

oh cool

RolandiXor - The Ice Man

02:56

I have a problem that's not solved by the methods suggested in the question corresponding to my problem :(

I want to open a new question but I don't want to create confusion :S

I'm getting this problem:

Failed to retrieve share list from server

When connecting to Samba

bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/930696

As usual - bug ignored.

This is beginning to feel like dealing with Microsoft.

omg

found the fix

it was so simple I can't believe I missed it

a part of the file was commented out

its_me

03:19

Hello any mods in here? Can you please move this over to superuser? askubuntu.com/q/222563/36459 -- I think I might get an answer there

iSeth

03:43

@jrg ^---

@RolandiXor-TheIceMan O_o not Microsoft!!

Flabricorn

04:11

Browsing the web when I found an interesting webpage from 1990something.

zachattackzone.com

Really quite entertaining looking back at web development.

Well, before lense flare and glossy icons, all we had was comic sans, and some Star-Trek gifs it would seem.

K.K Patel

@jrg o /

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

0

Q: Login other bash ttys after logging in to one

Is there a way to login certain (or all) ttys after logging into one? I don't want auto-login because I still want to login once (for security). I've looked into things like "screen" but they are rather cumbersome and don't work with some programs (e.g. fbgs). Is there a command to simulate loggi...

linux bash ubuntu login tty

iSeth

@Flabricorn Wow that is old... and.. and .. and thats not <blink> is it!!!

I wonder who hosts it

AbrahamVanHelpsing

04:34

@GeorgeEdison - I'm in a foul mood, but I would like to hear the answer. Even if it's touch and go.

its_me

04:45

Anyone knows the equivalent of ipconfig | config addr (Windows command) on Ubuntu?

iSeth

@its_me forum.notebookreview.com/linux-compatibility-software/…

Look at this too

0

Q: ipconfig not working

For some reason when I enter ipconfig in terminal, it just returns this: "" No command 'ipconfig' found, did you mean: Command 'tpconfig' from package 'tpconfig' (universe) Command 'iwconfig' from package 'wireless-tools' (main) Command 'ifconfig' from package 'net-tools' (main) ipconfig: c...

command-line

its_me

I did know that its ifconfig on ubuntu.But how about the rest of the command? That's where I am stuck.

Oh, okay. It's simper on Ubuntu, I guess. sudo ifconfig seems to give all the info I need. Thanks Seth!

iSeth

@its_me No Problem

its_me

:)

iSeth

Its what we're here for =)

its_me

04:50

a boon for beginners

Hurry! Just solved my problem: askubuntu.com/q/222563/36459 (posting an answer shortly!

iSeth

ok

great

do you still want it moved?

its_me

@iSeth nope, thank you

iSeth

OK

AbrahamVanHelpsing

ifconfig ethX1.1.1.1 255.0.0.0, but still. man ifconfig is more powerful

also, linux commands are way more intuitive

its_me

As a beginner I find typing paths to folders/files in command-line easier on linux than on Windows

:P

iSeth

05:01

The terminal is way more intuitive in Linux than Command is in Windows

Journeyman Geek

lol

it is

iSeth

and you can do everything through it, which makes it new user friendly

ya know "Just run this"

Journeyman Geek

its either cmd (which is almost useless) or powershell (which is very programmer oriented) in windows

bash (or shell of your choice) just works, and is backed up by great tools

iSeth

@JourneymanGeek CMD stands for 'Command'

Journeyman Geek

cmd.exe ;p

iSeth

05:02

they changed it from 'COMMAND' to 'CMD' in XP

Journeyman Geek

well, "old school" windows CLI

as opposed to powershell ;p

iSeth

oh, BTW @Flabricorn I found everything I needed on this site ;)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

dod actually renames cmd.exe on their systems since ppl that know what they're doing use it extensively...just sayin. cmd is not weak, just under-utilized

see netsh in 7 as an example

iSeth

I found this site out not that long ago

its awesome for your windows needs

Journeyman Geek

@AbrahamVanHelpsing: I use it a lot with GOW - basically coreutils for windows ;p

AbrahamVanHelpsing

05:17

see netcat without netcat, command line ninjitsu from ed skoudis for the details. basically there are infinite ways to rpb windows from a terminal

Journeyman Geek

rpb?

Amith KK

07:35

appears

Journeyman Geek

07:45

reapparitionates

Amith KK

08:07

:P

Simen Langvik

hi

Sorry to ask, but what happens in this room, mainly?

Amith KK

/random

jokerdino

\random

Amith KK

\orandom

\o/random

Simen Langvik

;) okayz

Ever tried apt-get moo ?

jokerdino

08:12

yeah

try cmatrix

Simen Langvik

woah

nice

Have you tried cowsay ?

i love those things xD

jokerdino

yep. try it with fortune for more lolz

Simen Langvik

fortune-mod ?

jokerdino

fortune cookies

Simen Langvik

kay

jokerdino

08:16

Cowsay

cowsay is a program which generates ASCII pictures of a cow with a message. It can also generate pictures using pre-made images of other animals. There is also a related program called cowthink, with cows with thought bubbles rather than speech bubbles. .cow files for cowsay exist which are able to produce different variants of "cows", with different kinds of "eyes", and so forth. It is sometimes used on IRC, desktop screenshots, and in software documentation. It is more or less a joke within hacker culture, but has been around long enough that its use is rather widespread. In 2007 it wa...

tech

I have a bug on my computer i believe :
http://askubuntu.com/questions/222924/freeze-after-opening-closed-lid-how-do-i-fix-it

Simen Langvik

kay

jokerdino

$ fortune | cowsay
 ________________________________________
/ You have Egyptian flu: you're going to \
\ be a mummy.                            /
 ----------------------------------------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

Simen Langvik

hahahaha xD

jokerdino

@tech nothing much to do. file a bug report.

tech

08:18

How do I file a report?

jokerdino

142

Q: How do I report a bug?

I found a problem with a application on Ubuntu. How do I best report the issue? What sort of information should I provide?

launchpad debug bug-reporting

Simen Langvik

hahahah: Sorry, ubuntu experienced a problem.. Do you want to report it?

Sorry, Report-a-bug just crashed

tech

I don't know which package to report. When I closed the lid of my laptop and open it again, all I see is a black screen. The cursor can be moved. To end it, I MUST shut it down by the power button.

Simen Langvik

hows that possible ?

jokerdino

@tech file it against xorg

Simen Langvik

08:25

@jokerdino uhm, have you ever experienced that the report a bug program crashes when you are going to report a bug? That happens to me all the time -_-

jokerdino

i end up reporting both the bugs

Simen Langvik

oh xD

Are you inside the #ubuntuforums chatroom ?

jokerdino

sorta

Simen Langvik

hehe, i've seen you before then , i am airplanesimen

jokerdino

i see

tech

08:30

report a bug program crashes lol

jokerdino

report them using apport-cli xD

Takkat

08:56

Am I the only one who does not experience crashes?

jokerdino

yep. actually not sure. if i want to, i can disable crashes :P

3

Takkat

\o/ lucky me to manage to set my system up to not allow crashes.

sudo crash --disable

jokerdino

no, by downgrading to 12.04

i am on 13.04 atm -.-

Takkat

<-- never was happy with .10 releases

jokerdino

i think 12.04 is the most solid release i ever used after 10.10

Amith KK

09:02

BBL

Takkat

@jokerdino 10.04 and 11.04 were quite stable too.

jokerdino

i started using ubuntu after seeing the unity in 11.04

Takkat

I upgraded 10.04 after having seen Unity :)+

jokerdino

haha

Takkat

So far I do not seen any sensible reason to update my 12.04 to 12.10. I hope there will not be one soon.

Usually I think of upgrading my 2nd box some time after a release. But this time its different. Hmm.

jokerdino

09:09

not much actually

Takkat

Rather I'd upgrade my motherboard and CPU - but thats a different story.

jokerdino

lol

Takkat

12.10 only runs smoothly on my Virtual Box when I give it 2 virtual cores. That's bad on a dual-core host. :"(

0 cores left for the host.

jokerdino

yeah. :/

Takkat

<-- told Father Christmas of a 8-core CPU

<-- is of an age to give presents, not to get them

jokerdino

09:14

:P

you have to give yourself

Takkat

No budget left after buying LEGO

jokerdino

oooh

Takkat

Two LEGO boxes = one 8-core CPU.

jokerdino

lucky kids i must say

Takkat

Expensive kids I must say.

jokerdino

09:16

well that too

Takkat

At least still I dont have to buy games for a PS, XBox or Wii - the kids still are on Ubuntu.

jokerdino

well, i would say it is just matter of time

Takkat

Real men teach their children to only run Ubuntu.

jokerdino

well, steam's coming to ubuntu

Takkat

<-- failed because of Android

yeah - I heard that. Lucky kids I have.

jokerdino

09:20

(;

fossfreedom

o/

Takkat

o//

jokerdino

o/

kan

09:36

Can someone help me with something? There are 7000 and odd lines of code. I would like to figure out where the code of a particular function is... luckily, all of the files are in one directory... I couldn't figure how to use grep...

Takkat

o_. (me presenting a cookie first)

8

@kan its awk not grep you may need

jokerdino

he actually needs gawk.

kan

@Takkat and @jokerdino Hmmm... let me check out

Takkat

or that but eat a cookie first

fossfreedom

@kan 7000 lines of code in one file ... the programmer should be taken outside and shot! Hasn't he heard of creating modularized code?!

Takkat

09:42

7000 lines of code need considerable mental powers and patience

kan

@fossfreedom No, not one file, several files but one directory. :)

Takkat

The function in question may be called many times thus may be referenced quite often. :/

kan

@Takkat I am sure that's not the case.

jokerdino

ok if you want a grep solution:

grep "stuff you need to figure" *

kan

There can be atmost four to five occurences -- in the docstring, function_header and the version_message... :)

@jokerdino Is the * indicating -- search the pwd?

jokerdino

09:47

something like that

kan

Oh, OK. I was using .. but grep just smiled and gave the prompt back to me. sigh

Thank you!

I figured it out! Now, I'll shoot the programmer! He had put things under undecipherable file names!

jokerdino

well, i myself need to modularize a growing class

kan

Well, OK. Time to make changes, and submit my first patch EVAR.

Stephen Myall

10:06

Hi all, there is a comment in an answer to this question that I think should be removed immediately as it might construed as offensive by some. askubuntu.com/questions/118151/…

I flagged it last night

fossfreedom

gone

Stephen Myall

:-)

fossfreedom

if you flag spam/offensive - they are seen as high priority compared to standard flags.

3

Stephen Myall

@fossfreedom i flagged it from my phone and probably dodnt see all the option, will do in future

tAmir Naghizadeh

10:23

0

Q: Does apt-cacher Change Packages `Access Time`?

I tried to remove the long time unused packages from apt-cacher archive using find: 1. $find /var/cache/apt-cacher -atime +5 -type f -name ".*deb*" | wc -l 8471 2. $find /var/cache/apt-cacher -atime +9 -type f -name ".*deb*" | wc -l 2269 3. $find /var/cache/apt-cacher -atime +10 -t...

12.04 apt proxy find apt-cacher

jokerdino

@tAmirNaghizadeh i don't know much. Good luck :)

tAmir Naghizadeh

@jokerdino :)

Takkat

@tAmirNaghizadeh just saying: don't remove too much. There usually is not much gain in harddisk space. Its mostly not worth the effort.

kan

11:16

Another question: how to interpret this line of output from ls -l:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40079 Nov 28 15:27 name.py

jokerdino

@kan 2buntu.com/2011/12/31/the-ls-command-unleashed

kan

@jokerdino Looks like what I was searching for... Thank you. :)

So, effectively, I don't own the file and I cannot write into it... although it is in my home. sigh

jokerdino

i guess you used sudo somewhere.

kan

@jokerdino Yes. Is that also evil? :'-(

jokerdino

you end up with files owned by root.

kan

11:21

@jokerdino so, how do I own the file now?

jokerdino

chown

kan

sudo chown?

(I haven't tried yet... so please correct me before I break anything... :))

jokerdino

hold on

i almost never use chown

1

Q: Changing file and folder ownership from root?

I created a folder structure as root and now need to transfer ownership to an ordinary user. This question is linked to this one - http://superuser.com/questions/198191/providing-permission-to-specific-user-to-access-nfs-share I have a folder /srv/app-share that needs to be visible/writeable to...

linux redhat nfs file-permissions chown

if you run into any issue, i am not responsible.

kan

@jokerdino :)

jokerdino

it is almost not recommended to use sudo gedit. so i have no idea why you did.

darn, I thought Mahesh just came back.

Mochan

11:26

Hey everyone~

kan

@jokerdino What?! I use no sudo gedit... I copied this file from a root-owned directory, OK?

Mochan

@jokerdino Sorry to disappoint you.

kan

@Mochan Hello! :)

Mochan

brb

jokerdino

@kan that might explain. just use chown.

@Mochan ok

kan

11:27

@jokerdino should I also change the group?

jokerdino

i think u just copy the contents to another file. much better. ;p

kan

@jokerdino What? How is that different from having a copy of that root-owned file?

jokerdino

open the file, ctrl+a, ctrl+c, open a new file, ctrl+v

kan

but why? ;-)

Well, just plain curious and bored before an exam.

jokerdino

because i don't care about chown

kan

11:30

:P

OK.

Mochan

Back :)

@kan, remember what I said about not thinking I'd pass?

kan

@Mochan yes...

Mochan

@kan Well, I was right. I failed.

No

LOL

kan

Holy! :(

Well, try codeacademy now!

Mochan

-shrug-

kan

11:33

I mean their Python track...

Mochan

@kan Haha. Maybe. I'll take a break from programming for a bit before I jump in, I guess.

kan

@Mochan Basic Python is easy. :)

jokerdino

ok time to debug :P

Mochan

@kan If I did the course, don't I know the basics? Technically?

@jokerdino Good luck, bro! ^o^

jokerdino

(:

Mochan

11:35

I don't know how you guys do it.

kan

@Mochan I am sure, you'd, but when I said basics, I was thinking of more like data structures in Python, not the absolute basics. :)

jokerdino

i start with figuring why i am doing something

Mochan

@kan Data structures?

My attention span is too short for that. I'm actually more creative than logical :S

Probably why i failed :P

Look at my rep. I increased it by 200-300 I think?

kan

@Mochan Lists, sets and dictionaries to begin with. Then, about how to use them as stacks and queues... :)

jokerdino

o.O

kan

11:37

@Mochan My rep: 13.

jokerdino

stacks and queues..

Mochan

@kan Dictionaries + Lists were covered, were they not?

fossfreedom

hmm ... --> re my spam/offensive comment ... just to say, we'll come down on you from 64000ft if you frivolously use spam/offensive

7

Mochan

@kan Not today

kan

@Mochan They were, but I'd suggest that you become familiar with useful methods they allow: technically, most of the methods they allow. :)

@Mochan OK...

jokerdino

11:38

@fossfreedom lol

what's with the number?

kan

@jokerdino cube of 40.

Mochan

@kan I would like to learn Python. But, what am I to use it for? I was just learning a bit for the heck of it.

jokerdino

@Mochan I guess that's why you failed?

Mochan

@kan But how is that relevant? Is it not just a random number? XD

@jokerdino +1

I better go. Sorry for the brief visit. I'll be back sooner rather than later.

fossfreedom

@jokerdino we are always watching you ... even from the international space station ;)

kan

11:40

@Mochan Well, there is nothing as random numbers. Definitive algorithms generate them. So, "random" numbers are truly pseudo random.

Mochan

@kan You earned 12 rep today I mean 500 in yesterday...?

Same thing? IDK.

jokerdino

@fossfreedom Ah, ISS is at 30km height? :P

kan

@Mochan No, my entire AU rep = 13 rep.

jokerdino

Correction: 20KM

Mochan

@kan Ugh. Don't get technical on me now. @JourneymanGeek needs to flow you ~_~

kan

11:41

OK. My system will throw an ExceptionError from now on. :P

Mochan

@kan Oh~ I think I technically have 250-ish.

Anyway. I'm leaving. See you all~

Bye~

kan

Bye. And, I am off too.

Thanks @jokerdino and @Takkat.

Journeyman Geek

11:57

lol

there is such a thing as a random number

but not what you generate on a PC

jokerdino

4. 4 is the random number.

Journeyman Geek

there's actually physical RNGs

as opposed to /dev/random

which creates an enthropy pool off what you do

jokerdino

i hate entropy.

it gives the idea that things aren't orderly by nature

Takkat

which they aren't :P

jokerdino

it isn't orderly, yes. but commoners won't figure much.

Takkat

12:09

If the world was orderly it would not be possible that fixing a bug gives birth to another bug.

jokerdino

hm, well, i also hate philosophy.

Takkat

Philosophy is where a bug is allowed to stay forever.

jokerdino

lol

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