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hakermania

09:00

ih

Mitch

@izx Have you had a chance to look at my question?

izx

@Mitch Sorry, which one would that be?

@jokerdino, so tell me, why the sudden debian-with-GUI lust?

Mitch

@izx this one

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Q: Can't login when switching to TTY1

I'm running Ubuntu 12.04. When I switch to the first text terminal using Ctrl+Alt+F1, I'm presented with a prompt that asks for user name and password. When I input the user name and password, I get login incorrect. I'm typing the right user name and password. What could be the problem? Here...

jokerdino

@izx got bored with ubuntu

LnxSlck

good day all

hakermania

09:14

hi

izx

@jokerdino Good. Did wireless finally work?

jokerdino

@izx nope

still in a mess

> you'd copy /boot/*$(uname -r)* into /chroot/boot/, and the whole /lib/modules/$(uname -r) tree into /chroot/lib/modules/

no idea what that means

izx

it means you copy the ubuntu kernel/kernel modules into debian

and pray it works

jokerdino

actually, i want to install kernel backport

they said the driver works

so looking for sources.list

izx

umm

why install backported kernel

when you're going to install sid anyway

jokerdino

09:18

because the driver is in 3.2?

izx

You have 4G of mem, right?

jokerdino

yeah.

izx

why not just play with debian in a VM first?

FFS :P

jokerdino

:P

yeah; it's not worth others' time

The Interrupter

Bounty offered: Is there something similar to the Android AppDrawer/App Launcher? http://askubuntu.com/q/43093?atw=1 #softwarerecommendation

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

izx

09:25

@jokerdino No, just that your network situation is...exotic

jokerdino

@izx lol installing 3.2 now

time to reboot

izx

good night and good luck ;)

jokerdino

@izx good night

izx

09:45

@jokerdino: idea: why not download a wheezy daily iso somewhere, boot into Debian, mount the ISo and use its repos to upgrade?

jokerdino

@izx not a bad idea.

for a second, i thought a new vamp joined our room o.O

actually, new vamp.

brb

hi and bye @eCleopatra

Mitch

brb

jokerdino

10:01

screw it. debian is not worth my time

@izx i think i should just download a wheezy iso and install over squeeze

eh, am I the only one to see eCleopatra come to our chat room? Or am I hallucinating?

guys, great news. wireless working now!

njallam

@Mitch I tried running wubi.exe this morning and it works. I'm not entirely sure what I did though.

The only system change I made since yesterday was reinstalling all my Java binaries.

Mitch

Glad that it works..

Joshua Robison

10:35

why is it that NO good hardware runs linux!

asus zenbook has too many problems to buy

my asus slider was an awesome idea but still cant get the slideout keyboard working

no 8 hour tablets are running ubuntu right yet

no dual core

no tegra3

no ultrabooks

why is Linux support for good hardware so slow

by the time I can run linux on any of these devices there's already gonna be a new mouthwatering device out there , i wont be able to buy

I hate windows and mac but they run the best hardware

and android is a pathetic waist of good hardware

Journeyman Geek

android is a cellphone OS ;)

also, as I keep saying. Hardware supports windows and OS X. Linux has to support hardware

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Joshua Robison

@JourneymanGeek, yes it is and it is a pathetic waist of good hardware on tablets

Journeyman Geek

/me currently sticks to windows for for portable computing, has a smartphone, and runs his servers on linux ;)

Joshua Robison

my sl101 tablet is an awesome peice of hard ware that will only run android

if I could get linux on it it would be so freeking awesome

@JourneymanGeek, smartphone is ? android?

Journeyman Geek

ya

lovely little thing. Mainly gets used to play angry birds, and misuse the sensors for things the manufacturer never imagined they'd be used for.

I run one of these en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_One_V and one of these thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X220 fairly stock (so, android and windows). I just SSH into my linux boxen as needed

jokerdino

10:42

angry birds fanatic..

hm i can probably ssh from my phone xD

Joshua Robison

i want to make a company that all it does all day is make linux work on new devices... we would make our money on hosting linux events and specific support for updates etc

Journeyman Geek

lol

Joshua Robison

i just wanna see windows die!!!!!

jokerdino

@JoshuaRobison lol good luck

Journeyman Geek

Or go with a company that actually supports linux

jokerdino

10:44

dell is pretty decent

thinkpad is great

system76 the BOMB

Joshua Robison

the apple ipad at least is pathetic enough that I don't care if it runs only ios

@jokerdino, system 76 hardware is outdated

jokerdino

@JoshuaRobison like?

Joshua Robison

they have no good tablets or ultrabooks

jokerdino

wait, you want a tablet?

Joshua Robison

tablet or ultrabook that runs linux

8hours battery life please

dual core please

1gig memory please

jokerdino

10:46

oh ;/

Joshua Robison

at least

yea exactly

only android right

jokerdino

android tablet probably

yeah. android

or maybe the kde tablet?

Joshua Robison

waist

the kde tablet is single core

jokerdino

forgot its name

Joshua Robison

italian name

jokerdino

10:47

spark

@JoshuaRobison ok fail too

Joshua Robison

the name was changed

jokerdino

vivaldi

Joshua Robison

its now called... right

I wish they had a little better hardware

I would not mind paying at this point

jokerdino

you know what, just get a ipad

Joshua Robison

ipad cant run linux

i cant run gimp

jokerdino

10:49

linux? why??

oh gimp.

Joshua Robison

i cant run inkscape... i am a graphic designer

and web designer

can't do any of that on ipad

jokerdino

a guy who is dying to use linux. i respecdt you

Joshua Robison

its a toy and a waist

i love linux

i cant stand using anything else

so boring

my eyes start bleeding with boredom

jokerdino

:/

ok. anyway. i got to go. dinner time here

your dinner over yet?

Joshua Robison

yes dinner time here too

jokerdino

10:51

right. you live in GMT+9?

Joshua Robison

you too? im in japan

jokerdino

im in singapore. gmt+8

Joshua Robison

nice

singapore :D ive heard great things about that country

jokerdino

:D

Joshua Robison

wish I could go sometime

jokerdino

10:52

sure. why not

anyway, i am going off for dinner. talk to you later :)

Joshua Robison

later

Shyam K

but ain't photoshop better than gimp?

cos I have heard things like that

Joshua Robison

@ShyamK, at cost Vs. function gimp is better. I can do all things photoshop can but free!

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Joshua Robison

plus gimp will be supported FOREVER

Journeyman Geek

10:54

/me uses paint.net mostly. Wishes monopaint would get somewhere

Joshua Robison

Adobe will one day cease to exist and with them their beloved ps

then all my psd files will not work

Journeyman Geek

@JoshuaRobison: by which time they'd have reverse engineered the format ;)

Shyam K

@JoshuaRobison hmm.. yes.. but some one once told me that gimp hasn't been developed for a long time... and that ps has grown alot in that time

Journeyman Geek

@ShyamK: gimp is under active development

PS.. well, the big advantage is a lot of graphics design folk are used to it

Shyam K

@JourneymanGeek well then its good.. cos I use cracked versions of PS.. since I can't afford it... but I would prefer to use GIMP.. if there were a lot more tutorials for it.. :)

Journeyman Geek

10:57

lol

Joshua Robison

gimp has the same functions. photoshop has like ... healing brush whch is just a combo of several functions... duplicatable in gimp just fine

Journeyman Geek

@ShyamK: neither feel very intutive for me

Shyam K

almost every other tutorial is for PS.. GIMP has a few tutorials

Journeyman Geek

/me is currently trying to teach himself the freebie version of autodesk sketchbook mobile ;p

Shyam K

and I would love to learn how to draw.. in GIMP.. PS well just seemed easier :)

Journeyman Geek

10:59

I'd love to learn to draw

I've gotten pretty good at making things dissappear tho ;p

Joshua Robison

@ShyamK, gimp is not for drawing , you need to learn inkscape

Inkscape has AWESOME drawing features

Shyam K

@JourneymanGeek Abra-cadabra? Magic!!!

Joshua Robison

stuff illustrator does not even have

Journeyman Geek

lol

dad's company sometimes helps people source for equipment

Joshua Robison

photoshop isnt even for drawing

its for bitmap and photo etc.

Journeyman Geek

11:00

I just alter the images, just enough that you can't notice obvious things and bypass us ;p

Shyam K

@JoshuaRobison oh... thanks.. no wonder I felt it was hard to draw in GIMP (silly me)

@JoshuaRobison ya but you can draw in it easily...

Joshua Robison

heh

yes you can.that is true

gimp also has really nice functions for working with brushes and even community brushes etc

havent used it for that in a while though

mostly because I cant find an ultrabook that runs linux!!!!!

or a tablet

T_T

Journeyman Geek

lol

/me sort of 'rescued' a office computer we're throwing out to get a dedicated linux system

its a little tricky tho, it has integrated s3 graphics

Shyam K

oh..
also what is the main difference b/w a Mac and Linux.. aren't they more or less the same? just one is costly and the other is free

commands and all are basically the same in both...

Journeyman Geek

lol

both are posix compliant and broadly unixish

Shyam K

11:04

haven't used a Mac.. just curious... :D

Journeyman Geek

OS X is based off some of the BSD family tho

Shyam K

BSD?

Big Software Developer company? :P

ObsessiveFOSS

11:34

@ShyamK No. Another open-source project.

(or set thereof)

Shyam K

@ObsessiveFOSS ya was joking :)

Joshua Robison

@ShyamK, the main difference is 2 years after buying a $3000 mac they will no longer support your hardware and then all new software will not be installable on your machine.

with linux . new software is always installable and old hardware is always supported

Shyam K

good answer :)

Joshua Robison

@ShyamK, with mac you are stuck with the aqua desktop. basically stuck with what you get. with linux you have unity , kde, lxde, tiling wm , gnome shell, enlightenment or whatever you want

Shyam K

so Linux rules (as always)

ObsessiveFOSS

11:37

@ShyamK Cracked versions are illegal, and dangerous. I had to reinstall Windows for a friend after he killed it with some cracked game.

Shyam K

:D

jokerdino

shrug. my wireless driver was working in debian. but stopped working now

whatever. time to just chroot for a while

Joshua Robison

right now it looks like the best linux ultrabook would be the macbook air T_T

ObsessiveFOSS

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msPeachy

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A: Installing 12.04 onto a Dell studio with Windows 7 drops to grub rescue prompt

I hate spending hours searching Google. So do the rest of us, Ms Peachy. But if you seriously "like trying out various flavours of Linux" as you claim in your profile, then you got to put in effort. Else change your 'handle' to "Ms Cheeky" Oh, and before the powers-that-be pounce on me and...

I have no idea what this guy is talking about

jokerdino

11:50

@msPeachy he thought you asked the question :)

ObsessiveFOSS

So much for that post...

Bruno Pereira

@msPeachy there were no survivors

msPeachy

LOL, but he's like quoting something I said, I don't know, I don't remember most of my comments.

jokerdino

> Any suggestions? I hate spending hours searching Google.

stuff in the question

Bruno Pereira

no one does, that is why they are so unimportant...

msPeachy

11:52

@jokerdino okay got it.

jokerdino

@msPeachy :)

earlier today, i thought you changed your gravatar and called another girl a vamp +.+

and then she ragequit.

msPeachy

@jokerdino lol, really?

jokerdino

lol search for ecleopatra

msPeachy

I wanted to change my gravatar to my new pet

@BrunoPereira ok, thank you

@jokerdino who's that?

jokerdino

@msPeachy the new girl that came to chat

Bruno Pereira

11:57

Doing expense reports is so stupidly dull, I am sure I can outsource that to India, any ideas how?

jokerdino

@BrunoPereira yeah pass it to Amith :P

jrg

@BrunoPereira Amith.

jokerdino

ehehe

Steve Kroon

askubuntu.com/questions/155785/… <- someone closed this as a duplicate, but it's not. Can it be undone?

jrg

@SteveKroon can you tell us why it's not a duplicate?

Steve Kroon

12:01

@jrg I explained in the comment - my question is not about the freezing/kernel panic, like the question referenced in the duplicate

The Interrupter

Can you answer this? How to associate all file types within Wine with its corresponding native applicat... http://askubuntu.com/q/51325?atw=1 #wine

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

jrg

@SteveKroon looks like Bruno got to it before I did. If you give me a bounty reason (attract attention perhaps?), then i'll gladly bounty it for you.

Steve Kroon

Yeah, attracting attention was the reason

@jrg Thanks!

jrg

There is the option to add in more details to the bounty - anything you want there?

Steve Kroon

@jrg No, thanks.

jrg

12:05

bounty offered.

Steve Kroon

@jrg tyvm

jrg

glad to help.

jokerdino

it wasn't a great question, was it?

jrg

it didn't attract attention.

but that changes now. :)

msPeachy

12:24

@jokerdino I guess not too many people care about broadcom?

jokerdino

@msPeachy yeah. :(

i own one :|

msPeachy

@jokerdino I have no idea what should be done to better organize it, your suggestion make sense.

@jokerdino Are you using it now?

jokerdino

@msPeachy thanks

@msPeachy yeah. it is inbuilt o.O

my wifi = broadcom chip

msPeachy

@jokerdino Oh I see. You didn't encounter issues with it? There must be something wrong with it since too many people are complaining about it

jokerdino

@msPeachy i do have problems every release. i usually scrap my way through.

jrg

12:27

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHG. panics all my code is gone!

jokerdino

what???!

hakermania

@jrg For a coffee ?

jrg

crap crapc rap

i distinctly remember writing all those tests, now its gone. :\

it isn't on github, isn't on bitbucket...

and the ec2 instance doesn't have it either. ugh

Bruno Pereira

@jrg cat ate your homework?

jrg

@BrunoPereira On a scale of that to this, this is worse. much worse.

hakermania

12:31

@jrg :/ I always upload my code to the cloud :/

jrg

@hakermania so do i.

that's why i'm so perplexed.

hakermania

@jrg then shouldn't it be there?

jrg

EXACTLY MY POINT. either i'm having 18-hour-long hallucinations, or it's just gone. :(

hakermania

@jrg do you keep it only at the cloud?

jrg

there should be five copies: One on bitbucket, one on my laptop (quantal), one on my laptop (precise 1), one on my ec2 instance (precise) and one on my other laptop (precise). none of them have this 500 line file that I wrote. :\

hakermania

12:36

@jrg Wow, you shouldn't be experiencing problems with so many copies. Maybe the upload failed on all of them? And still, don't you have the original? I don't get it.

jrg

A-HA! git stash

never commited, just stashed them. can't remember why...

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

aha

jrg

crisis #1 for today: Averted.

jokerdino

i am gonna burn my debian install :D

Journeyman Geek

12:38

Sadly, this is a true story. At least I learned about the OS X 'say' command.

reminded me of this for some reason

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek i love that one

geeks are sometimes stupid

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

it reminds of this story written by a great writer.

Journeyman Geek

I think oliver said it best

jrg

@JourneymanGeek I never git stash, must have been my pairing buddy who did it. ;P

so i'm not that stupid. ;P

jokerdino

12:39

in his story, he creates two doors for a big cat and a small cat.

Journeyman Geek

When we give geeks a pile of potatos, they spend more time designing a better potato peeler than peeling a potato

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jokerdino

he forgot that the small cat can go through the big door .

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: heard that story about edison iirc

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek that was slhck?

Journeyman Geek

oliver

jokerdino

12:40

Geek spends more time building a machine that peels a potato than peeling it?

@JourneymanGeek edison?

@JourneymanGeek oliver?

jrg

still lost majority of the code, but i'm not completely back to square one. :(

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/118?m=4731581#4731581

edison, the douchebag ;p

Amith KK

Hello all

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek right. oliver it is.

hakermania

I got my hands dirty with Unity3D (Game Engine) on Windows today :) I am looking forward to see it coming to Linux, it is awesome!

Journeyman Geek

12:42

lol, my memory is photgraphic. Sometimes i run out of film ;)

jokerdino

@hakermania mark it as the gaming engine

@JourneymanGeek :P

Amith KK

Did @jrg lose his code?

jokerdino

@hakermania thanks

hakermania

@AmithKK as it seems

Why for setting a bounty you have to w8 2 days? I knew that my question wouldn't be answered without a bounty...

Journeyman Geek

@hakermania: precisely so people won't wait for bounties before answering a question/

hakermania

12:51

@JourneymanGeek You're right...

izx

@jokerdino agree re wheezy iso. Try the xfce+lxde one: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd

Fortunately you no longer need a human proxy to download ISOs...

Journeyman Geek

he dosen't?

izx

So one would hope..!

(apparently he can ssh to port 80 ;)

jokerdino

hey

i got the wireless working and again, i messed it up

Journeyman Geek

ahh ;p

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