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Jan 7 at 17:24, 3 minutes total – 15 messages, 5 users, 5 stars

Bookmarked 18 secs ago by Marco Ceppi

Glaring at @MarcG for our missing bookmarks

iamsid

Hehe

Stefano Palazzo

total votes: 997
-- bonuses   (100)
 2      8322 (5)
 2      8322 (5)
 2      8322 (5)
 2      8322 (5)
 2      8382 (10)

anyone know what those are?

badp

you got 4 question upvotes on post id 8322 and one answer upvote on post id 8382

Stefano Palazzo

Uh sorry, yes of course.
I meant the "bonuses (100)" bit

badp

@StefanoPalazzo Association bonus

iamsid

15:08

@StefanoPalazzo How do you find that?

badp

("You linked your account with 5,928,391 other accounts: +100 reputation!!")

Stefano Palazzo

@iamsid askubuntu.com/reputation

@badp ah yes I remember :) thanks

iamsid

Grazie

badp

in a couple years, the number of SE sites will match the population of Canada.

Stefano Palazzo

I lost a bunch of rep yesterday, someone had upvoted all of my stuff (100), this morning it was gone. my first time (:

Marco Ceppi

15:10

@badp 63? :)

badp

@MarcoCeppi oh, then make it a couple months

Marco Ceppi

Poor canadians - they always get picked on :)

Oli

I'm sure they started it.

Stefano Palazzo

Nice question @oli

looking forward to an answer

iamsid

Yahoo! Answers: Why do Americans always make fun of Canadians?

badp

15:18

@iamsid Inferiority complex.

iamsid

:P

badp

Marco Ceppi

I don't want to sound like a typical american or anything...but I don't get it.

iamsid

Neither do I!

Stefano Palazzo

I don't want to sound like a typical european, but Je ne comprends pas either

badp

15:21

satwcomic.com/it-s-complicated has the author's explanation

Marco Ceppi

Oh, I see now

iamsid

So,eh, do you... want to talk a boot it ?

Marco Ceppi

We really don't though. If you ever seen any of the recent movies out of Hollywood. I would say over 85% contain breasts in some faucet or another

iamsid

faucet?

badp

(I think the newer one explains what he wants to say better tbh)

Marco Ceppi

15:24

What we have a problem with is mainstream news trying to find stories that will get ratings. Anything that creates controversy or what conservative morals would consider appalling gets on the news.

@iamsid Autocorrect fail.

badp

@MarcoCeppi yeah, it's the media the comic pokes fun at

Marco Ceppi

In that case I agree

iamsid

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea,
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

2

Marco Ceppi

More like this

Eye halve a spelling chequer
It's on this Mack
I hat Mack

I was trying for a Haiku - then I realized I'm retarded and can't really do Haiku

iamsid

Haha. :) Haiku OS.

fluteflute

15:30

@MarcoCeppi have google not yet approved/rejected chromify-osd?

Marco Ceppi

@fluteflute Not yet. I'm starting to worry it won't pass inspection :\ $5 potentially wasted

fluteflute

@MarcoCeppi that would be a pain!

Can someone ping me please?

Marco Ceppi

@fluteflute No! Go away :)

fluteflute

@MarcoCeppi Hmm my chromify-osd is broken and horrible chromenessy ones are back...

Marco Ceppi

All I'll say is wait for the officially packaged one to come out. I've setup the auto-update URL, etc so when fixes and updates come out it'll be rolled out to you all

fluteflute

15:38

I think I know why it broke. @MarcoCeppi another ping please?

Marco Ceppi

@fluteflute Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur.

fluteflute

Wooh it's back!

Shame we have the SE noise though....

Marco Ceppi

There's a Chrome Plugin for that ™

fluteflute

Really? I hope you haven't gone at got my hopes up only for them to be crushed...

Marco Ceppi

Crushing, sorry.

But it would be pretty easy to make one

fluteflute

15:50

:'(

Do it, do it, do it....

Or let's beg @MarcG for it...

Marco Ceppi

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts

There's a collection of scripts already by @RebeccaChernoff

@fluteflute I'll add it to my list for Sunday's "Fun-In-The-Sun-Development-Coding-Stuff-Rainbows-Day"

fluteflute

@Marco Thanks :)

fluteflute

16:33

I think we need a new unity-qt tag

iamsid

unity-2d?

fluteflute

yeah unity-2d makes more sense to me

Jorge Castro

yeah 2d

also I dunno if you guys say mark recommending it on questions where people have problems with 10.10

so if you guys want to go through the unity tag and link those together that would be swell

<--- leaving for airport

hope you guys enjoy unity this week! It's been a tough one!

Roland Taylor

\o/ yay the qt trolls will be happy with a qt unity...

only people like me are still furious that there is no future for standard gnome-panel/etc -_

fluteflute

@RolandTaylor there is a future...

Roland Taylor

16:46

@fluteflute an empty one :/

fluteflute

I mean gnome-panel isn't going to improve much or anything... but then has it really changed much in the last few years?

Roland Taylor

it could improve a ton with a little effort

or they could just have done like KDE and created an improvement for the DESKTOP/LAPTOP form factor instead of creating the nonsense they call a shell

/rant off

fluteflute

@RolandTaylor you go improve it ;)

Roland Taylor

@fluteflute haha

every patch would be rejected if I even knew what I was doing :P

I'll probably just learn vala and write a better panel

fluteflute

Good luck ;)

Oli

17:12

@RolandTaylor I thought gnome-panel was staying as a desktop choice

Roland Taylor

@Oli it is - but it will not be getting a lot of love, so obviously in about 3 releases or so it will be dead :/

Oli

@RolandTaylor In fairness it hasn't had much more than regression-fixes in as long as I've been using it.

Roland Taylor

@Oli true, but that's the real problem

at least in ubuntu we've had the development of indicators etc

Oli

Not really. All its functionality (and opportunity to break) comes from the panel applets it holds. They're mostly light and easy to fix.

Roland Taylor

but the panel should have been either maintained or rethought as was done with KDE's panel

fluteflute

17:16

0

Q: Why was QT chosen for unity-2d and NUX for 3d?

Hi! I would just like to know the reason(s) behind this decision (Pros./Cons. of using QT and NUX). What are the accessibility problems of QT? Thank you very much and keep on the awesome work! Ubuntu Rocks :D

Should that be two questions? I'm not sure if they're kinda related

Roland Taylor

it should be

also a bit confusing

btw what is NUX?

fluteflute

not sure

but the new unity depends on the nux package...

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A: What GUI toolkit will Ubuntu Unity use?

Unity uses a toolkit called Nux. Nux is an opengl toolkit designed to be run as both a standalone widget system, or embedded into existing opengl applications. In compiz we run nux in embedded mode. While nux is a toolkit, it is designed to be very thin, allowing us still to make direct opengl c...

Oli

"Nux is a graphical user interface toolkit for applications that mixes opengl hardware acceleration with high quality visual rendering. "

packages.ubuntu.com/natty/nux-tools

Roland Taylor

makes sense now

fluteflute

I may be missing something, but I think nux was basically written for Unity

Roland Taylor

17:19

yeah it was as far as I understand from what I just read

DoR

Is there supposed to be a different top panel when using unity 2d?

Roland Taylor

no clue

htorque

well, there's a package unity-2d-panel

karthick87

17:41

Is there any application to remove vocals from a mp3?Tried audacity but it is very advanced..

fluteflute

@karthick87 short answer: no :)

audacity occasionally works but it's a bit hit and miss

Marco Ceppi

@karthick87 Long Answer: No, not really.

fluteflute

@MarcoCeppi you are a genius

karthick87

Oke thank you o/

fluteflute

@karthick87 but audacity shouldn't be that hard to try if you are following some guides

karthick87

17:45

Oke let me try again :D

DoR

@htorque E: Unable to locate package unity-2d-panel

htorque

you poor maverick user :P

TheX

i think my system is fubr

fluteflute

askubuntu.com/posts/16253/revisions

Do we think @JorgeCastro 's addition of the nux tag is appropriate there?

You could say the nux tag refers to the answer, not to the question...

TheX

I can't use unity, because I can't open the "additional drivers" program to install my 3d drivers....

fluteflute

17:59

@DoR Thanks for adding a screenshot to that answer on unity-2d :)

karthick87

Any one here got UCP certification?

htorque

@fluteflute i agree, the nux tag doesn't fit :)

Roland Taylor

18:59

@karthick87 is it a stereo file?

fluteflute

@htorque seeing as there was no opposition then I removed it...

htorque

:-)

Roland Taylor

0

A: What GUI toolkit will Ubuntu Unity use?

Unity will still use GTK+, just without the GNOME desktop environment.

should we reword this answer?

honestly it sticks out like a sore thumb

and it's wrong

fluteflute

19:15

@Roland I don't see the problem with it personally :P

Roland Taylor

lol

I do

htorque

IMO the problem is, that it's not clear what the questioner meant. to me it sounds like "will my gtk+ apps work in unity" rather than "which toolkit was used to write unity"...

DoR

We can't change an answer to mean something completely different.

Roland Taylor

I think we could leave it as is

though question and answer are both worded badly

DoR

" GTK+, just without the GNOME desktop environment." That statement is wrong.

Roland Taylor

19:21

very

fluteflute

@DoR hmm that's true

DoR

@fluteflute What is true?

fluteflute

@DoR that the statement is wrong

DoR

@fluteflute ok, gotcha.

htorque

if it's wrong, add a comment and downvote it :P

fluteflute

19:24

Haha I just did

Removing my +1 means it dropped from 0 to -2

Marco Ceppi

That guy is about to get a badge for accepted answer with negative values

DoR

@MarcoCeppi Why is there a badge for something like that? It seems to reward bad answers.

Marco Ceppi

@DoR It's a feat an accomplishment. Just like Peer Preasure

Roland Taylor

I'm out of votes today :P

Marco Ceppi

JK There is no badge for this

fluteflute

19:31

@MarcoCeppi I can't find that badge on askubuntu.com/badges

Marco Ceppi

I was thinking of something else

fluteflute

I thought I remembered something like it... ah well :P

4 votes left :-o

DoR

<kbd> tag FTW

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Q: How do I set Ctrl+Alt+something for Audacious global hokeys?

I want to set up global hotkeys in Audacious as follows. When I try and set these up it doesn't allow two mask keys. Ctrl+Alt+Insert for play. Ctrl+Alt+Home for pause. Ctrl+Alt+End for stop. Ctrl+Alt+Page Up for previous track. Ctrl+Alt+Page Down for next track. Ctrl+Alt+Up Arrow for ...

music audacious

Marco Ceppi

►

fluteflute

19:55

Who thinks we should have an ubuntu-project tag?

For this question for instance

Marco Ceppi

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Don't know

Yeah, that's the question.

Personally think it's a dupe of

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Q: Who pays for Ubuntu?

How is Ubuntu paid for? I mean bandwidth, website, marketing, design and what nots.... I can understand how some niche open source software survives (Mozilla: google search income, R: support from a specific community and academia, Parcellite: low dev costs). What about Ubuntu ? Edit: Is the b...

canonical

and of

6

Q: Ubuntu finances and future of project

What are the chances that Ubuntu will go belly up when Mark Shuttleworth's money runs out? In other words, how healthy are the finances of the Ubuntu sponsors Canonical? Is Ubuntu still losing money?

canonical

fluteflute

I think you're right... (after I spent some time asking it :P)

I reckon there's probably some use for a ubuntu-project tag but it;s not really worth creating because it's more of a meta-tag that would get needlessly appliesdto lots of things...

Marco Ceppi

yeah

I wish I had normal votes

Because I would totally vote to close that. But it's more of an opinion than a bonified fact (Not exactly a duplicate).

fluteflute

mmm

have you ever suggested it?

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, it was a huge outcry when beta sites came online

fluteflute

19:59

And they said no? :p

Marco Ceppi

The end reason for not: "You're all moderators. So if you think it should be voted to close - you obviously think it should be closed - therefore just close it"

fluteflute

Which I understand where they're coming from...

badp

Remember, 5 people can reopen what a mod closes

fluteflute

Hmm I'm just thinking that isn't quite a duplicate...

Marco Ceppi

@badp But then the moderation team looks like douche bags because we closed something

badp

20:01

@MarcoCeppi Moderators moderating, what douchebags

Marco Ceppi

I would much rather be the one that pushes 2 - 4 votes over the edge than be too zealous

Unless it's super obvious. This one has some wiggle room

@badp I know, you would think so right? However, I'd like to be the enforcer of the communities will, not the police pushing back on the community. Rather an arm of it.

fluteflute

Stack Overflow Blog: Handling Duplicate Questions

Posted by Jeff Atwood on April 28th, 2009

As we get more and more questions in Stack Overflow, the issue of duplicate questions becomes more pressing. The odds of any question being a duplicate, however small, increases with the total number of questions in the system. So it’s worth considering: what makes a question an exact duplicate? As I see it, there are three classes of duplicate questions, from most clear to least clear.

The impending launch of the serverfault.com private beta has interrupted work on this slightly, but better handling of accidental duplicate questions is currently very high on our priority list. We’d like to streamline this so it’s easier, with a friendly UI. (If you have ideas about what UI makes sense in this scenario, we’d love to hear it.) That said, we have implemented a moderator level function to merge duplicate questions — so if we determine two questions are accidental duplicates, we can merge them together without losing anything except the text of one of the questions; all comments and answers are preserved. …

Point #3 applies here I thinnk

badp

@MarcoCeppi on Gaming we needed to discuss whether game recommendation questions should be allowed or not; mods didn't feel like pushing the envelope; we couldn't come to a consensus on meta or chat; we needed 3 months to come to a conclusion via a flawed poll.

Marco Ceppi

Well - I kind of go off the basis. If someone can make a valid argument on Meta - and no one offers a decent rebutle. That's gold

The fact a user went to meta and posted shows that they're at least interested in the community.

We've had things like this happen. Where we've done it one way, user posts a different way to handle things and that was better than the first so we just naturally took it up

fluteflute

1

A: Write an Elevator Pitch / Tagline

AskUbuntu.com: Because between us: we know everything

That doesn't quite fit... but it's the whole community thing :D

Marco Ceppi

20:08

My answer should have been

"AskUbuntu.com: Because Marco Ceppi knows everything"

fluteflute

Noo, that's the tag line for ask.marcoceppi.com ;)

Marco Ceppi

I really want to do something fun with that

I'll have to apply it to my list for tomorrow

Roland Taylor

4

A: How large should I make root, home, and swap partitions?

You actually should just install ubuntu on two partitions, / and swap. You can have ubuntu do this automatically by choosing to use the available free space (in other words, do not format your 60GB partition in vista before installing ubuntu). Some will argue that you should use separate partiti...

hey guys you can edit my answer if you need to add/remove/change anything

I'm going afk - but yeah just thought I should emphasize that you can edit my answer

htorque

not everyone can edit other's answers ;)

Roland Taylor

oh :P

I didn't realize you couldn't lol

I'm out of votes for now :P but I'll sort you out in a few hrs

since you deserve it

htorque

20:17

oh i can, but not the other guy

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor If you want us to edit your answers make them Community Wiki :P

Roland Taylor

oh

lol

@MarcoCeppi ahh

how do I do that?

afk

fluteflute

It's a checkbox when you create your answer. I don't think you can change it later (mods can)

Marco Ceppi

Sorry, I just really love the arrow annotation tool.

fluteflute

why the random arrow up? your standards are slipping Marco

Marco Ceppi

20:22

Noooo! That must have been an accidental click when I went to save it

TheX

@fluteflute I thought the same thing

Marco Ceppi

Ugh, I don't want to go through the process to do make it again. Ignore the arrow!

DoR

@MarcoCeppi I can't ignore it.

Marco Ceppi

I should be asking you that @DoR!

DoR

@MarcoCeppi

Marco Ceppi

20:29

First. Let me apologize to everyone who had to see the backwards arrow. This was not intended and the responsible party will be flogged.

Secondly.

Please accept this as a replacement

Thridly. I understand some of you might be furious for the omission of Indigo. We do not recognize indigo as a real color. Deal with it.

3

fluteflute

But but a rainbow is meant to have seven colours :(

Damn you got there before me

Marco Ceppi

PREEMPTIVE STRIKE! USA Style. :D

htorque

wouldn't USA style be a strike because there's a color you want :P

Marco Ceppi

Eh, semantics :P

Roland Taylor

@MarcoCeppi .

:D!

htorque

20:33

those colors of mass distraction

Roland Taylor

I don't know how I missed that little check box! D:

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor In your defense it doesn't typically have arrows streaming at it in six different colors.

Roland Taylor

^^ :D thanks lol

htorque

can't you implement that? :D

Marco Ceppi

@fluteflute BTW: Saying Indigo is a color is like saying pluto isn't a planet. I don't believe! :P

DoR

20:35

Marco Ceppi

@htorque I'll add that to my Sunday list :P

@DoR HA!

fluteflute

Can we make a animated gif of that image? Maybe continually blinking...

htorque

:>

Roland Taylor

:D:D:D:D:D:D

that pic reminds me of the /sni in battleswarm

@MarcoCeppi is it okay if we add more dummy questions?

badp

@MarcoCeppi -1, Amazon

Roland Taylor

20:39

@badp hai hai wassup

badp

Marco Ceppi

@badp +1 It's Awesome Screenshot. I don't have shutter on here...it's a mac.

badp

Roland Taylor

D:!

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor Depends, what kind of questions?

Roland Taylor

20:40

MAC!

DoR

wut

Marco Ceppi

badp

@MarcoCeppi Well, it hosts the images on Amazon, which means image links will break

Marco Ceppi

@badp But...they didn't :P Because you can add #.jpg and it'll render it.

Roland Taylor

@MarcoCeppi I mean like how Jorge would ask "How can I test unity" - with an answer following immediately

badp

20:41

@MarcoCeppi Then you fail at linking :P

AskUbuntu + Meta Stack Overflow + Graphic Design

23 mins ago, 17 minutes total – 40 messages, 6 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 4 mins ago by badp

↑ see? no images there

now I can't tell the world how much does this room disturb me :P

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor Yeah, those are okay to an extent. You have to want have some kind of investment in the question though

@badp I am so sorry. I'll imgur them

badp

PS: chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/…

Roland Taylor

@MarcoCeppi investment? explain pl0x

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor @JorgeCastro obviously has a vested interest in the Unity question. So seeding the site with questions just because they haven't been asked isn't really as good as seeding the site with question because they're quality questions

Roland Taylor

@MarcoCeppi ahh gotcha

I was more thinking of dummy questions along the lines of the latter

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Q: Performance cost of running Ubuntu from external hard drive

A friend just complained to me about Ubuntu being slow. Although I've noticed a certain lack of snappiness with Linux vs Windows in the past, I really can't say I've had much to grumble about with the recent distributions of Ubuntu. That said, his objections seem much worse than the ones I used...

ubuntu-desktop performance external-hdd

pointless...

Marco Ceppi

20:46

@badp Check the bookmark now

I fixed it

badp

@MarcoCeppi <3

Roland Taylor

where can we report bugs in the stackexchange backend?

I keep getting notified about my own comments -_-

fluteflute

@RolandTaylor meta.stackoverflow.com

Roland Taylor

@fluteflute gracias

htorque

+1 for an "incomplete" tag :P

fluteflute

20:52

@htorque eh?

Roland Taylor

+1

htorque

questions that need questioner input

fluteflute

Ah

-1 :p

htorque

pha!

DoR

Meta tags are bad.

fluteflute

20:54

Me and @DoR are of one mind :)

htorque

you mean @DoR and you :P

DoR

Stack Overflow Blog: The Death of Meta Tags

Posted by Jeff Atwood on August 6th, 2010

There are a few tags on Stack Overflow that have bugged me for a long time. Namely:

But I could never quite articulate what, exactly, was wrong with these tags. It’s been bothering me more and more as time goes on. So much so, that about two months ago, I was compelled to ask on meta: Should we permanently remove the [subjective] tag?

There are some weak arguments in favor of keeping [subjective], but that’s about the best its proponents can muster. The arguments against it are much stronger. I felt Shog9 made the best case: …

fluteflute

@htorque I don't know what I mean (which is unusual for a grammar pedant like me)

htorque

@DoR it isn't a meta tag - it's an indicator like the color red for questions without an answer

ok, let's make those questions blue! :P

Oli

WIN! notch.tumblr.com/post/2763747303

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