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That's why it's going to be tough

6:39 PM

yeah, we are so far from 70 Gbps

gg

My connection is the worst of all

@Zacharee1 I remember my days at Packard Bell, and customers never told you the whole truth then after 2 hours of a phone call, they finally tell you they added something that actually makes the whole difference.

Zacharee1

heh

6:41 PM

I think I like Google's Speed test way more than Speedtest.net. Too much overhead now on Speedtest.net.

@Terrance did you try beta.speedtest.net

@edwinksl I had not, until now. That one is much better. =)

html5 instead of flash apparently

so less overhead in that sense :P

Definitely. Gave me a closer speed match to my actual speeds. Just speedtest.net measured me today a 6Mbps, when the others are all testing me at 35+

UGH! He basically just asked the same thing: askubuntu.com/q/832304/231142 and askubuntu.com/q/832310/231142

@Serg could be useful to you reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/55hjfi/…

6:56 PM

good afternoon

@Serg ah, yeah... Was afraid of that...

@edwinksl interesting, i'll look into that

Hi @Ian

@serg how were you doing the icons so far, and what did you want displayed

I can try playing around with it if you want

@Serg how're doing man? Did you manage to get the monospaced font working on the indicator?

@Mateo I was using Gtk.ImageMenuItem and set_image method. I'll probably just stick with simple "hard-disk" icon. Originally I hoped to have a usage icon, but the UTF bar works better an it's larger, so i'll stick with that

@Ian Nope, system font has to cange, i've no way of changing font just for that one indicator

7:02 PM

the apindicitor font is a system font, cant just change it for one menu :/ looks like

you can change it on GtkWidgets though, shouldn't it work on indicators too?

@IanC tried that as well, I tried creating and changing font for Gtk.Label, and then adding that into Gtk.MenuItem. Didn't work

Kaz Wolfe

wolfbot has a bunch of mint things if someone wants to go through

7:27 PM

@Mateo you had some interesting unicode type of space there . . .

do you know the code of it ?

it wasn't code, just the raw character

although, I think all the spaces were being rendered the same width...

I can try replacing those with regular spaces, would probably be the same

1111 posts edited hehe

base 2 or base 10?

base 10

:p

7:32 PM

although, sublime does show them wider

@Zanna at this rate, you will overtake me in the next day or two

so I guess that worked ;)

I like how saying base 10 is also not clear, since 10=2 :p

@IanC indeed!

true true

7:33 PM

@edwinksl !!!

for clarity, I've edited one thousand one hundred and eleven posts

:p

Q: xvfb-run doesn't allow GLX while Xvfb does (maybe)

welp, it says 1147 there. where did the missing 36 go to

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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I'm on Ubuntu 14.04, and using it through ssh, which means I don't have local GUI for it. I need to run some command that requires GLX, but things aren't going well. Xvfb :80 -screen 0 1400x900x24 -ac +extension GLX +render -noreset If I execute the above, it says Initializing built-in extens...

@Serg yeah, replaced with spaces, still the same :/

ooo, what was "magic-button-indicator" going to be @Serg

seems like spam... askubuntu.com/a/832318/527764

7:49 PM

@Mateo basically , I "stole" byte commander's idea. He wanted to have power button do different things when doublte or tripple pressed. I am going to turn that into indicator. Double middle-click - launcher firefox, for example. Tripple - launches terminal

cool

I just don't have time to make it , but i already have working code for counting middle-mouse clicks

ever think of doing a caps/num lock indicator?

@Mateo I already did that, lks-indicator :)

gtg, bye guys

cool

later

7:52 PM

I even have an alias to launch @Serg's lock keys indicator, I use it every day

Q: Keyboard LED panel indicator for Unity Desktop

@ParanoidPanda lattepanda.com

^~^

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I own a notebook running Ubuntu 16.04 with Unity DE that does not have any keyboard LEDs to indicate NUM-Lock or CAPS-Lock states. It would be useful for me to see them anyway, ideally through an indicator in Unity's panel. Please note that I only want to see the states of NUM-Lock, CAPS-Lock ...

unity keyboard indicator capslock numlock

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nice font size 2 or something

8:09 PM

@Seth Dude, just press F12 and let both JavaScript and the police do their own job, respectively. >.<

8:28 PM

bunch of os x books in goodwill

couple nice monitors too

17 21?

ah, 19 inch not bad

yup. i think I'm gonna take this one. looks quite new. 25$

1440x900, 700-1 contrast, 5ms response

@Serg I can see you! Must be a glossy screen :P

8:43 PM

tested it, works alright, picture looks clear, no dual lines

going home with it already

huh, interesting news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12621837

8:54 PM

@NathanOsman what about snorting c.m. through a bacon slice?

Would that increase or decrease healthiness?

I'm gonna say... no...

The new screen looks quite nice actually

quite wide, feels so large

( insert that's what she said joke here)

eh, nope, top panel still had dual lines

I think it's a common issue with these LCD monitors

Welp, At least it looks more colorful than the other one

two such monitors would be quite nice. If only i had a second one and a vga splitter

9:27 PM

and a new desk to fit them on...

Yeah, I feel the pain.

I'd probably have three were my desk a bit bigger.

I think I can safely blame this new screen for watching more YouTube than I already do :)

And with that . . . I think I haz a new idea for indicator

9:46 PM

@Serg what aspect ratio does that monitor on the right have? it looks rather squarish to me

Let me check, gonna start my xrandr indicator

agh, ran out of space.

One day you'll build an indicator for building indicators...

@ByteCommander ^_^ I just might do that soon

It's 1024x768

eew

9:48 PM

so tiny...

But wide screen, 19''

I could play with xrandr to add custom resolution and increase it. This guy is supposed to have 1440 x 900

Successfully added a mode

10:13 PM

@IanC @Mateo I think the way I'm going to handle tabulation is via checking what system font is in use. If it is Ubuntu font, it will have to use custom spacing. Otherwise, it will use a padding function

10:39 PM

Sounds good if it is easy to check what font is used, default installs will look better, others wont be made worse

:)

Now, more important question is how do i schedule everything. I need to find balance between developing stuff and homework

techworm.net/2016/10/can-crash-linux-systemd-single-tweet.html

Yikes.

That's not too comforting for systemd.

> "However, good programmers recognize the difficulty of writing bug-free software and understand the importance of designing software in a way that minimizes the likelihood of bugs or at least reduces their impact. The systemd developers understand none of this, opting to cram an enormous amount of unnecessary complexity into PID 1, which runs as root and is written in a memory-unsafe language."

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Was there something like this happening with Upstart ? I don't recall

My favorite quote from the article ---^

@NathanOsman EXACTLY

systemd is just awful. We should NOT be using it.

10:46 PM

"is written in a memory-unsafe language" , that's no excuse to the systemd devs though

Well, I'm not sure it's that bad. But it raises some fair points.

There are parts of systemd that I like. And parts that make no rational sense whatsoever.

The problem is that you can no longer mix and match.

So far I found only one feature I like in systemd - inhibitors. The rest is complex mess. At least with Upstart it was clear - services are in /etc/init and /etc/init.d . Now they're in tons of other places, and i've no idea why /etc/init and /etc/init.d still exist.

I predict in the not-too-distant future a firm distinction between "classic Linux" and "systemd Linux".

@Serg I really like the whole dependencies thing. That was a huge step forward.

Upstart sort-of had those but nowhere near the same extent.

Socket activation, etc.

I think if Canonical has stuck to its guns and developed Upstart, it would be even better than systemd

Too late for that now.

10:53 PM

Yeah . . . unfortunately for regular users

What we have is systemd with Linux instead of Linux with systemd.

They might as well just merge it into the kernel :D

since arch had moved to systemd, is it fair to assume systemd overall still does more good than harm?

Or... merge the kernel source tree into systemd :D

Please no

@edwinksl I consider myself a moderate systemd proponent.

Some passionately dislike it. Some passionately like it. I'm somewhere in the middle... just a little bit closer to the "like it" side.

10:56 PM

"That’s not true for the other services which systemd is trying to replace such as network management, DNS, and NTP."

WHY ???

WUT.

init is supposed to bring up the system and services , that's all

Network management I understand. But DNS???

@Serg I would be in favor of init also taking over the job of cron but that's about it.

@NathanOsman mmmm, scheduling services start and restart? sure. But people use cron also for other things, which have no relation to system administration

I'm heading off for a bit to go on a boat ride. I'll have my phone with me... I might stop by here and leave a picture :)

@Serg they do?

Like what?

11:01 PM

that ^

Also i recall wineuuunux2unix ( whatever is the right spelling ) asked one from yesterday to have cronjob to chime every hour like grandfather clock

so yeah . . .

it exists

Note: FreeBSD is still systemd-free :D

Probably because BSD isn't Linux kernel

so the systemd can't mess with it

Yeah, if graphics drivers weren't an issue, I'd be tempted to go for it.

So far i have BSD only in VM.

I think Qt supports the BSDs.

11:08 PM

Whenever I hear BSD, I must think of BSE... so no thanks.

BSE ?

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as mad cow disease, is a fatal neurodegenerative disease (encephalopathy) in cattle that causes a spongy degeneration of the brain and spinal cord. BSE has a long incubation period, about 2.5 to 8 years, usually affecting adult cattle at a peak age onset of four to five years, all breeds being equally susceptible. BSE is caused by a misfolded protein—a prion. In the United Kingdom, the country worst affected by an epidemic in 1986–1998, more than 180,000 cattle were infected and 4.4 million slaughtered during the eradication program. The disease...

@Serg mad cow disease

that's a stretch

Oh, not Bombay Stock Exchange?

:P

BSD stands for Berkeley Software Distribution and it's the closest to what original System V was

11:09 PM

wow, my Donald Trump question blew up.

Could also have been Back-Scattered Electron...

I know I've been getting reputation notifications from it all the time, but I never checked the score.

@ByteCommander or back stabbed electron.

Link?

not really...

BSD: Better than Systemd , Dammit

Q: Did Donald Trump say republicans are the dumbest voters in the country?

11:11 PM

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I saw this image going around Twitter lately: If I were to run, I'd run as a republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They love anything on FOX News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific. People Magazine, 1998 Is this ...

united-states politics donald-trump

Ah.

PPAP Pen Pineapple Apple Pen

also, have you guys seen this?! I have no idea what it is, but it went viral a few days ago

►

@Seth wtf did i just watch???????????????????????

that's what I want to know.

in case anyone wanna participate in a rant,

@Serg Well yeah, but it's cowsay! The cow is useful, sure, and using a combination of packages to have a cow read your fortune on login is fun, sure, but really? (Rant over lol) — Dan Brown 2 mins ago

11:20 PM

@Seth the comments are hilarious though

@edwinksl I hadn't looked.. haha

@Serg Ever tried xcowsay?

> I have a Note 7. I have a charger. Allahu Akbar.

xDxD

Taichel Rosen41 minutes ago
I have iPhone 7

I have headphones

Ugh

Oh

@Seth Lithium detonation ahead?

11:22 PM

@edwinksl lol

#PPAP

My favorite video on the internet 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 http://youtu.be/kN5cqf63kb8?a

Tweeted by justinbieber on September 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM

best canadian likes it

i must like it too amirite

@edwinksl what the heck is his profile pick?!

@Seth no clue, best ask the other canadian in this chatroom :p

:p

hmm, looks like Windows turned secure boot back on. Apparently that conflicts with Virtualbox?

@edwinksl Fun fact: about half of the people replying have a Bieber face as profile pic...

11:30 PM

@ByteCommander you are right...

@ByteCommander nope , never tried that

@NathanOsman so , that bug on systemd is closed over on their github page. but still reproducible , according to comments

@Serg Then do :)

I wanna have a foxsay. Because then, I can be like "What does the fox say ?"

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please make one

(from fortune | xcowsay)

11:45 PM

@Serg I should totally just write an app called foxsay that says one of the things from the song.

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What Does the Chameleon Say? (Ylvis - What Does the Fox Say parody)

also obligatory mention:

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for f in /usr/share/cowsay/cows/*.cow ; do b="$(basename -s.cow "$f")" ; cowsay -f "$b" "$b" ; done

Prints all default cowsay "cows" as example.

Speaking of that, SUSECON is the first week in November. Anyone think they have another parody?

Probably. Their parodies are quite popular

11:51 PM

$ cowsay -f head-in 'Yikes!'
 ________
< Yikes! >
 --------
    \
     \
    ^__^         /
    (oo)\_______/  _________
    (__)\       )=(  ____|_ \_____
        ||----w |  \ \     \_____ |
        ||     ||   ||           ||

o.O

@ByteCommander wtf? head-in?

There's also "sodomized-sheep"...

Quesion: I've got 8 GB SSD. Don't ask me why I bought it, it was on sale :) Totally pointless i know. I'm thinking of using it as swap space for the old desktop. Is that a good idea ?

apt
beavis.zen
bong
bud-frogs
bunny
calvin
cheese
cock
cower
daemon
default
dragon-and-cow
dragon
duck
elephant
elephant-in-snake
eyes
flaming-sheep
ghostbusters
gnu
head-in
hellokitty
kiss
kitty
koala
kosh
luke-koala
mech-and-cow
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milk
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pony
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sheep
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stegosaurus
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turkey
turtle
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unipony
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www

That sucker doesn't take any more than 1 GB ram for whatever reason

so i need to compensate with swap somehow

11:54 PM

@Serg If it's that small, it is probably a bit older and not necessarily great quality... It might wear out pretty quickly if used as swap on such a low-RAM machine.