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David Cole - Grammar Police

8:00 PM

@KazWolfe this may be the only time Windows is better, the MAC address becomes persistent when set

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice You can make Linux persistent too.

What are you trying to do?

user136984

I was right about the pronunciation! :D

user136984

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David Cole - Grammar Police

My erm "mean" Dad decided to put a schedule time on my internet, and recently completely disabled it, he went to China for 7 days today, but he forgot to disable the rule for my chromebook, so I'm rerouting the MAC of my PC's ethernet to what my Chromebook's MAC is

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice Are you on a MAC whitelist?

David Cole - Grammar Police

8:03 PM

Yep

Kaz Wolfe

er...

hm.

David Cole - Grammar Police

My dad is a smart man

Kaz Wolfe

not really... MAC filtering is useless.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Not really

RPi Awesomeness

Bother it all. My middle mouse button seems to have stopped working.

Kaz Wolfe

8:04 PM

Yeah, really.

MAC filtering is trivially easy to bypass.

David Cole - Grammar Police

He wanted to keep me from using a wireless adapter to connect to the network.

Kaz Wolfe

Maybe he had a reason to block you off?

David Cole - Grammar Police

uhhhhh

nahhhhhh

Kaz Wolfe

i'd suggest not bypassing parental restrictions.

There's typically reasons for them.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Yeah, but I'm not going without internet for 7 days

Kaz Wolfe

8:06 PM

Again, he probably has a reason.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Not really

Kaz Wolfe

then why would he do it?

David Cole - Grammar Police

I've got A's in all my classes, I've got a job which I go to every day, I'm never really in trouble

Kaz Wolfe

as you noted, it's an intentional action, so he must have some reason, else he wouldn't do it.

Humans are typically lazy.

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David Cole - Grammar Police

nuh uh

not my dad

Kaz Wolfe

8:08 PM

that still doesn't mean he'd alter network configs without a good reason

David Cole - Grammar Police

I may or may not have hosted a tor server on our home network

Kaz Wolfe

there you go.

Now, I could tell you how to persistent MAC spoof, but I don't think your dad would like that.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Cmon, he's in china for 7 days :3

Kaz Wolfe

I tend not to go against the wishes of other parents, because there's probably a reason.

i mean, i'm not telling you directly. If you figure it out yourself, that's good.

because then you learn and it's your fault.

so if you want a step in the right direction, I can do that,

o/ @ThomasWard

James Tobin

@KazWolfe bad news. I am holding a Voyager Linux USB based on Debian Stable

Kaz Wolfe

8:13 PM

k den.

James Tobin

if this restart doesnt fix after unblocking acer-wmi...

well at least I still have Ubuntu MATE on the desktop

user136984

@Nathan: I love George's latest video by the way! :D

James Tobin

@KazWolfe alright it's working now :D

well at least I still have Ubuntu MATE

GAAAH I hate stack exchange chat

put that ubuntu mate message on hold

JAAAAAA

still goofing

Kaz Wolfe

zzzzzzzzz

i need coffee

so... @DavidCole-GrammarPolice

David Cole - Grammar Police

JESUS

Kaz Wolfe

8:22 PM

If you hosted a Tor network on your home PC, that's probably reason. Especially if your dad watches traffic

David Cole - Grammar Police

I have headphones in, and forgot I had chrome open

You just gave me a heart attack

Kaz Wolfe

All those weird hits to Nc-17 sites, plus a lot of data usage

now you know how i feel when i get 60 pings

David Cole - Grammar Police

lol

Kaz Wolfe

either way, you need to re-apply the spoof at interface config

that should be enough help if you google the right things

David Cole - Grammar Police

okay thanks

Kaz Wolfe

8:25 PM

also, to answer your "why does sudo control router" in more exact terms...

you're forcing the entry on to the routing tables, which needs sudo to be edited.

David Cole - Grammar Police

ah

makes sense :P

Kaz Wolfe

The router won't deny connection on mac-blocked devices, IIRC, but it won't accept data from them. Sudo doesn't change that at all.

routing tables (RT) are local to the kernel itself, so it doesn't affect your actual router itself.

Also just because I can say this, I will. Most routers have Telnet/SSH access available for a console

or if you boot it just right, you can probably hit a serial TTY.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Now one more question. The router IP access page (xxx.xxx.x.x) can only be accessed from one MAC address and Idk what that address is, could I determine it somehow?

Kaz Wolfe

192.168.1.1?

David Cole - Grammar Police

2.1

Kaz Wolfe

8:27 PM

Eh.

Yeah, you can, actually

David Cole - Grammar Police

:o

how

Kaz Wolfe

Wireshark the network and ARP poison the system. Check for an HTTP packet with destination 192.168.2.1

Depending on your ARPing tool, it may or may not be easily noticed.

David Cole - Grammar Police

it won't be connecting anytime soon

it's my dad's laptop

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, well, that's the way to do it.

David Cole - Grammar Police

any other way?

Kaz Wolfe

8:29 PM

Or, you can crack open the router and grab a serial TTY.

From there, you have root to the router itself.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Wtf is that

Kaz Wolfe

Most high-end routers have a serial port for diagnostics

Solder a header to that and use it to connect..

David Cole - Grammar Police

hahahah

nah

Kaz Wolfe

You'll get a TTY for the router that will let you do whatever.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Ill just wait til my dad gets home and tap the MAC

Kaz Wolfe

8:31 PM

In fact, one of the first mods to any router I get is my installing a serial port.

I have a nasty habit of bricking routers, so that port is very useful.

David Cole - Grammar Police

I could always just buy myself a router and switch back and forth :>

Kaz Wolfe

I'd not do that.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Why not?

Kaz Wolfe

If your dad is clever, he can notice uptimes and whatnot.

David Cole - Grammar Police

That's the thing

My internet provider is crappy, so if he sees downtime he'll think nothing of it

Kaz Wolfe

8:33 PM

no.

Downtime on the router.

insert_name_here

no, router uptime

Kaz Wolfe

or, how long the router itself is on.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Lol? There's something called a splitter :P

Kaz Wolfe

eh, my router has connect/disconnect logs.

But then again, I have a really high-end router lol

David Cole - Grammar Police

I'll never be unplugging the router

Just taking the internet cord

Kaz Wolfe

8:34 PM

unplugging it from the WAN

David Cole - Grammar Police

mhm

Kaz Wolfe

at least on my router (to be fair, custom linux), I get a nice log entry any time my upstream WAN gets D/C'd

David Cole - Grammar Police

Yeah this router is terrible

Kaz Wolfe

Or an email if there's a significant downtime.

i want to see @DavidCole-GrammarPolice go against meetcircle.com

David Cole - Grammar Police

JESUS

Pings be scaring the hell outta me

Kaz Wolfe

8:37 PM

i'd pay to see that fight.

David Cole - Grammar Police

I would too XD

Kaz Wolfe

actually those things are really hard to bypass

/afk

/back

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice BOO!

o/ @Seth

Seth

\o

David Cole - Grammar Police

Ha I muted the tab

Kaz Wolfe

bot has feature, dont know if you saw ping

but bookmarks work now

David Cole - Grammar Police

8:47 PM

\o @Seth

Seth

I did see ping.

Right before class started.

Kaz Wolfe

oh, sorry lol

Seth

oh no problem.

I'm not crazy enough to have a sound notification for SE pings, especially as a moderator ;)

I was just standing there waiting for someone to open the door anyway.

Kaz Wolfe

lol

edwinksl

@Seth how's allo

Seth

8:49 PM

don't have any contacts yet :p

my best tech buddy is taking 27 credits so he's hard to get ahold of :p

Kaz Wolfe

ack

O.O

David Cole - Grammar Police

Im at 56

meh

Kaz Wolfe

starbucks wifi'

Seth

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice Let me tell you something that's a good life lesson.

David Cole - Grammar Police

8:58 PM

XD

Kaz Wolfe

If you need to break in to or bypass something, do it with elegance and style

Don't break the window. Pick the lock.

In your case, don't just swap routers. Alter the current one. Get your dad's MAC. Use that, instead.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Aight

Kaz Wolfe

You don't impress people with brute force.

You impress them with outsmarting them and their system.

Serg

my brain hurts

Kaz Wolfe

(You probably also make them mad, but class is important sometimes. This is one of those times)

David Cole - Grammar Police

9:00 PM

lol

Kaz Wolfe

As mentioned before, any idiot can break a window. It takes skill and practice to pick the lock, which is a far more elegant method.

David Cole - Grammar Police

I guess, I'm just lazy

Kaz Wolfe

or, just, don't do anything that causes him to actually implement these things!

insert_name_here

^ :P

Kaz Wolfe

like hosting tor nodes.

why even host a tor node on a home network?! that's just asking for problems.

Seth

9:06 PM

@KazWolfe it's called drop it off of a 5 story building. hi circle. bye circle.

Kaz Wolfe

at best, your internet quality drops like a stone. At worst, your ISP terminates your service and the FBI pays you a visit.

@Seth elegance, seth. Elegance.

i actually really want to get a circle.

Seth

@KazWolfe circle doesn't deserve elegance.

Kaz Wolfe

but why physically destroy it when you can alter it to record every username and password on the network?

or, cause it to QoS and BadWifi everything?

turn all the sites into adware!

i'm sure that thing has a serial port somewhere.

oh, it runs OpenWRT?

This puppy can be an amazing little router, actually.

So, if anybody has a circle that they want to get rid of, send it to me :D

i promise it won't have a too miserable last few seconds

actually... the circle gives me a really good and really evil idea.

Serg

Too bread askubuntu.com/q/827947/295286

James Tobin

GAH I HATE UEFI

causing trouble on xubuntu

Serg

9:21 PM

Hardware recommendation askubuntu.com/q/827986/295286 ( at least IMHO )

Kaz Wolfe

i doubt it's UEFI

@Serg woah. laptop asus. I'm proud of OP

James Tobin

I'm going into CSM

no. it is specifically a UEFI error

xubuntu cant install grub and boot-repair cant even do it

specifically states UEFI error

Kaz Wolfe

what is error?

James Tobin

cant install grub uefi error

then boot repair said it cant find an EFI partition after I just created one

Kaz Wolfe

specifics?

James Tobin

9:23 PM

on GPT formated disk

used setup defaults for xubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

did you mark it as fat32 with name EFI and the boot flag selected?

and it's the very first partition on the disk?

James Tobin

boot flag is added automatically by setup

if it is not UEFI than Ubuntu sucks

and you won't say that, will you?

there, I got it booting in CSM without even reinstalling grub

after it said there was a GRUB install failure

c y i like bios?

Kaz Wolfe

i'm more likely to blame Grub for not installing something right, or the installer for not setting up the EFI partition properly.

James Tobin

HAHAHA

Kaz Wolfe

brb irreversably destroying boot sector with one malformed command.

ooops BIOS can't recover from this lol

meanwhile on EFI: k brb restoring backup of efi partition.

Aaaaand done system works again

James Tobin

9:27 PM

gah screw EFI partitions

just have one working legacy

git back to basics

Kaz Wolfe

you just find any excuse to hate EFI, don't you?

James Tobin

I dont even need to find any excuses. EFI keeps causing trouble every flippin time I try to do anything with it!

goofs on windows

goofs on ubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

yet bios is just perfect even though one command can prevent a computer from possibly ever booting?

James Tobin

you say ubuntu doesn't suck?

well then that means UEFI sucks

either Ubuntu or UEFI

who do you pick to blame?

Kaz Wolfe

i should say... one userland command. I don't need to even get root to block boot for BIOS.

insert_name_here

9:29 PM

maybe it means your computer's implementation of UEFI sucks

James Tobin

poll.lab.io/qOQXCnIV6ZRCYMeTaucRDg

Kaz Wolfe

i've tried explaining implementation vs spec, and apparently if there's one crappy implementation, the entire thing sucks

@JamesTobin Are we using your specific UEFI instance or a UEFI implementation on any system?

James Tobin

ok so Ubuntu sucks then. I will now install Fedora on UEFI (just joking)

Kaz Wolfe

you do know we honestly don't care if you use something non-Ubuntu, right?

James Tobin

@KazWolfe UEFI has failed on every implementation I have used

Kaz Wolfe

9:31 PM

it's your machine and your choice. It doesn't affect us in the slightest.

James Tobin

on an acer

on a Toshiba

on a Dell

on an HP

Kaz Wolfe

And how many of those are actual enthusiast/pro machines?

James Tobin

the Dell definitely is

with a 1 TB ssd

and 16 gig ram

Kaz Wolfe

Then, I'll point you to this:

reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/…

James Tobin

and i7 processor

Kaz Wolfe

9:32 PM

Are you going to blame UEFI because Microsoft says "lolno you can't run linux and we're gonna use UEFI to enforce this"?

James Tobin

u kidding?

Kaz Wolfe

Nope.

James Tobin

Dell and HP sell Ubuntu computers!

Kaz Wolfe

because, just saying, it's just as easy to block Ubuntu from ever running on plain BIOS.

every pro-grade machine I had (well, i only buy pro-grade machines) has a great UEFI implementation that typically works OOTB

James Tobin

well my Dell was pro-grade

Kaz Wolfe

9:35 PM

Whilst, the last BIOS machine I had failed to ever save a single setting that would persist throuh reboots.

James Tobin

and I believe my HP is too

Kaz Wolfe

what model is this dell?

James Tobin

some inspiron. I sold it.

crazy high end though

and the display is super crazy

extreme high res

Kaz Wolfe

4k with touch screen?

Serg

Panda's cousing has shown up

-1

Q: Help me please. I have been hacked

Is there away for people to hack into my cell phone and change stuff around on it and show activity I didn't do. If so how do I stop it

Kaz Wolfe

9:37 PM

recent (meaning 0-3 years old)?

James Tobin

very recent

came with 8.1

it would be 1 1/2 years old by now

and my HP is extremely new. came with w10

Kaz Wolfe

Silver and black PC?

James Tobin

dell is black. hp is silver on the back and bottom but black all around the keyboard

Kaz Wolfe

recent inspiron laptops have been having... issues.

someone i know had to return one three times now because various reasons.

James Tobin

their main issue:

UEFI

UEFI is pretty new

Kaz Wolfe

9:39 PM

uh, no.

Serg

Murky what you're asking askubuntu.com/questions/827974/…

James Tobin

during windows 8.0 era it was half and half. Dell was like the last to implement

Kaz Wolfe

Poor QA with the graphics card, mostly.

James Tobin

between dell and lenovo

insert_name_here

EFI was created in 2005 IIRC

Serg

9:39 PM

(murky ~> unclear )

James Tobin

@insert_name_here created but it woudlnt have been implemented on most devices

Dell didnt start till 8.1 was well out

which was why Dell was doing really good up until then

hp got it right off and lost sales

Kaz Wolfe

eh, UEFI has only had two issues for me. Both were my own fault.

Serg

@Seth are you familiar with quicklists ?

Kaz Wolfe

Also, HP just sucks overall.

Serg

for .desktop files

James Tobin

9:41 PM

@KazWolfe their laptops are good quality

Kaz Wolfe

No they are not.

HP sucks altogether.

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James Tobin

yes they are

Kaz Wolfe

They have not made a single good product since the Pre-XP era.

James Tobin

debatable whether lenovo or hp are best for laptops. both are amazing.

Kaz Wolfe

HP used to be good. Key work used to.

James Tobin

9:42 PM

desktops... well HP finally got it

@KazWolfe wat! nope you are wrong there

Kaz Wolfe

They're just now crapping out cheaply designed and poorly-tested systems that prematurely fail.

James Tobin

they used to be horrible actually

Kaz Wolfe

I've had a total of three HP laptops in my life. Each of them catastrophically failed on me.,

Now, my current Lenovo is doing really well, actually.

a couple minor annoyances, but i'm sure i can fix them if i stop being lazy

James Tobin

HP desktops back in 2000-2010 had DVD drives that were defective, cheaply installed motherboards, and just everything was wrong with them

Seth

@Serg I think so? Sounds familiar. But off the top of my head I can't remember what they do/did.

James Tobin

9:43 PM

@KazWolfe hp didnt make laptops till recent, when they bought out compaq

Seth

@KazWolfe That's not true.

James Tobin

compaq was... well, ok.

Kaz Wolfe

The only good HP products are stuff at the enterprise grade. And even then, other things are still better.

Seth

But it isn't far off.

James Tobin

@Seth ^^^

Kaz Wolfe

9:44 PM

Compaq... okay?!

James Tobin

@KazWolfe they had some issues

Kaz Wolfe

What universe was I living in at the time?!

James Tobin

but when HP finally started making the laptops they were great

and ARE still great, except for UEFI

insert_name_here

the UEFI spec isn't bad...lots of implementations of it are bad

Kaz Wolfe

I'm sorry, but I'd rather not go back to a brand where the hard drive began to click-of-death, the screen decided to just up and break one day (yay ribbon cable!), and have the USB controller fry every device I plugged into it.

insert_name_here

9:45 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if HP's implementation was bad

Serg

@Seth They add dynamic meny entries for the specified launcher icon. You can also show download/progress bar with them

Kaz Wolfe

@insert_name_here As a user of high-end pro equipment, I have yet to run into a bad UEFI system.

Serg

do you know how to connect those list items to a function in python or thread ?

Kaz Wolfe

I think UEFI gets crappy with the cheap corners that are meant to just barely run windows for those with zero technical experience.

insert_name_here