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@Zacharee1 i do know how to review things and i do click through to the question and check if i find a need to. i didn't do that on this occasion, that's it.

Kaz Wolfe

but yes. i do like my hardware killswitch for airplane mode.

James Tobin

12:09 AM

@KazWolfe wow.. I'd think so

Kaz Wolfe

instant faraday cage

@JamesTobin having multiple terminal sessons open won't do anything because the inactive ones will just sleep until you head back to them.

that is, unless you're running something

Nathan Osman

Wait until I get home and show you the good pictures :D

Kaz Wolfe

i'd still like something to wipe my TPM chip on the fly, but i dunno if that's possible.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe We have Paranoid Panda and then we have you, Burn-it-to-the-ground-upon-command Panda

Kaz Wolfe

well, that doesn't mean i'd ever use it.

but i do like instant burn-everything-to-ash.

speaking of burn-it-to-the-ground, can someone please kill NAT?

It's stupid, a waste of effort, and it's delaying IPv6.

Nathan Osman

12:15 AM

It still has a place.

Virtualization.

Kaz Wolfe

but really.

we should just push IPv6 globally. It's going to work.

Give a /32 to each ISP, and let them go wild.

That gives each ISP a total of 4,294,967,296 /64s. One for each customer, and we're golden.

Byte Commander

That would at least eliminate the need for DSlite.

Seth

well. here goes nothing. I'm install the anniversary update.

Zacharee1

DSlite?

@Seth wat

Byte Commander

dual stack lite

Kaz Wolfe

12:21 AM

and provided there are a metric ton in 2000::/3...

I think we can even give each ISP TWO /32s

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe and then just use IPv4 for local stuff? Makes sense

Byte Commander

DSlite means my ISP shares the same IPv4 address on a load of clients.

Zacharee1

cause then we could also open up the rest of IPv4 to LAN

@ByteCommander how

Byte Commander

But each has their own IPv6 address.

Kaz Wolfe

No, use IPv6 for local too

@Zacharee1 NAT.

James Tobin

12:22 AM

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe nooooooononononono

Kaz Wolfe

It's like ho wyour router works.

notice menu logo too

@Zacharee1 why not?

and...

12:23 AM

no local IPv6

They are impossible to remember

Kaz Wolfe

Yes pls local ipv6.

That's why there's something called hostnames @Zacharee1

edwinksl

@Seth oh i can finally download allo. HYPE

Byte Commander

--> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… @Zacharee1

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin flagged as offensive

James Tobin

Zacharee1

12:23 AM

@edwinksl It's not great :(

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 counterflagged

James Tobin

@Zacharee1 it's xubuntu idiot

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 you got it too?

James Tobin

windows 3.1 theme ;D

Zacharee1

@edwinksl downloaded from APKMirror

Seth

12:24 AM

@edwinksl :D

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin wow OK

that one I might actually flag...

Kaz Wolfe

Yeah, give each ISP two /32 addresses. That's enough for one /64 for each person in the world.

James Tobin

shuddup @seth is right here moron

Seth

well then.

Zacharee1

@Seth

James Tobin

12:24 AM

its xubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

and... deletion.

and kick.

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 heh. i was just stupidly waiting for it to appear on my google play

Byte Commander

did he get the boot?

Kaz Wolfe

he got the boot.

Zacharee1

@edwinksl the SMS is stupid (why can't it use my number, it's Google), apparently it doesn't even sync across devices if it's the same phone number, some other stuff

Kaz Wolfe

12:25 AM

But if ISPs actually tried, we'd probably get 99% IPv6 coverage by the end of 2017.

Zacharee1

They released it today to keep the "coming summer 2016" but it's not finished as an app

James Tobin

what for?

Kaz Wolfe

Hell, I have my own /48. It's trivial to give ISPs a /32.

James Tobin

posting a picture of an xubuntu theme eh?

Byte Commander

well, I'm off for tonight. seeya

insert_name_here

12:26 AM

BIOS has 1052 votes now :P

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe that'd be nice. I still like my IPv4 local addresses though. Hostnames are annoying and not always supported

@JamesTobin for calling me an idiot and a moron

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 6to4 translation is weird.

Zacharee1

@insert_name_here it's still going?

James Tobin

yeah cuz you want to flag my xubuntu screenshots

Kaz Wolfe

But hostnames are pretty well supported on most modern systems.

Hence, why they exist :D

insert_name_here

12:27 AM

no, doesn't look like it's still going

idk when bios got the extra vote

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin even if it wasn't a joke (which it was, very obviously so I think) you don't call someone a moron

@KazWolfe I mean, let's just give ourselves the choice for IPv4/6 locally

Kaz Wolfe

I mean, I have very memorable IPv6 addresses, but my actual IPv6 subnet is tiny and easy to remember lol.

Even so, I just use hostnames

James Tobin

didnt know people were extra touchy here. sry

Seth

it takes two to tango. If this dance is still happening when I come back I won't be very happy. Zach maybe use more smilies in your joke. James you have 0 excuses for calling people names. Ever.

Zacharee1

But if I want to actually create the hostname for my router (for example), I have to find the IPv6 address

Kaz Wolfe

12:28 AM

No.

insert_name_here

hostnames literally never work for me

Kaz Wolfe

Your router can handle all that with intelligent DNS

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe how do I connect to my router in the first place?

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 same way as always

Zacharee1

but if I don't have IPv4....

Kaz Wolfe

12:29 AM

Your router makes note of the hostname you're connecting from, and places it in your local DNS

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 i only have one device... oops

Seth

Ugh. I just realized I don't have completely up to date backups. To YOLO install Windows update or not..

Zacharee1

@edwinksl it's more annoying if you switch devices, as in upgrade

Kaz Wolfe

so for example, my hostname is WolfStorm and my IPv4 is 30.112.91.55 My IPv6 is <really long thing>

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 right, which i might actually do soonish. good point

Zacharee1

12:30 AM

@KazWolfe but how do I connect to the router INTERFACE in the first place?

Kaz Wolfe

I can connect to my device over IPv4 or 6 with WolfStorm.home.me

@Zacharee1 for me it's router.home.me

Zacharee1

@edwinksl the point is, they need to finish it. I love the idea, but the lead dev is apparently not great

Seth

Ugh. Hostnames.

Kaz Wolfe

or i just use [2001:db8::1]

Zacharee1

Default hostnames make literally no sense on Cisco routers and home printers

Kaz Wolfe

12:31 AM

If you keep IPv4/IPv6 locally, you can use DS and hostnames, or fall back to IPv4 if you don't want to use hostnames.

Zacharee1

I WANT TO FALL BACK TO IPV4!! :p

Seth

I think I might finally switch away from unity.

Zacharee1

That's what I've been saying!

Kaz Wolfe

That, and you can manually force hostnames with your DHCP server.

Seth

I'm tired of dealing with compiz glitches.

Kaz Wolfe

12:32 AM

Still, hostnames are the right way to go in this case...

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe look at this fricking hostname for my router router06da81

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 that's why you change it lol

Zacharee1

@Serg GNOME 3 FTW

@KazWolfe but how am I to change it if I can't remember the IPv6 address string because it's so long?

Seth

@Zacharee1 eww, gnome3.

insert_name_here

LXDE FTW :P

Zacharee1

12:33 AM

@Seth Gedit as an IDE FTW

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 The router doesn't have a long IPv6 string.

And you just copy/paste from the Gateway field :P

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe my router isn't my DHCP server

Kaz Wolfe

Your router is typically going to be at ::1 on your local IPv6 subnet.

Seth

I'm thinking Kubuntu and then install i3 or something.

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 lel did you just ping serg

Kaz Wolfe

12:34 AM

still, you can use the gateway field to get the router IPv6

Zacharee1

@Seth do XFCE. It's nice

@edwinksl lolwuthowdididothat

@KazWolfe I'm not so sure that my router is my gateway (directly)

insert_name_here

I confuse them too :P

Zacharee1

my network is weird

Kaz Wolfe

what is your network

some weird hybrid enterprise thing?

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe it's a DSL connection + Cable connection into a Cisco Enterprise router. The DHCP server is a Server 2008 machine, the DNS server is the same. idk if there's anything in between the router and the rest of the network. The router has a static IP, the DHCP/DNS server has a static IP. Random machines in the house (like my MC server) have static IPs

Kaz Wolfe

12:36 AM

either way, this is a solvable issue, as your local router will typically be assigned ::1 in your /64

@Zacharee1 why the hell do you have that setup.

Zacharee1

Ask my dad

To be fair, we've gone through like 5 routers before finally getting a load splitter

Kaz Wolfe

what the hell are you doing on your connection?!

Zacharee1

We have a surprisingly large home network

I think we're close to filling our 254.x subnet

Kaz Wolfe

i still think you can run all of it on a single soho router.

Zacharee1

Probably

Kaz Wolfe

12:38 AM

WHY DO YOU HAVE TWO HUNDRED SOMETHING DEVICES ;-;

Zacharee1

but Ciscos are a nightmare to configure, since there are no docs

@KazWolfe lolz. Don't ask me

Actually, lemme run an IP scan thru VPN

Kaz Wolfe

I worked at a damn school that didn't have 200 devices.

at worst we never broke more than 100 devices on a /24, full load.

Zacharee1

idk

It might have gone down

I think we did some cleaning

We also have 3 WAPs so...

Stone walls

James Tobin

@KazWolfe why do I get this?

gah

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin why do you get what

@Zacharee1 ...

James Tobin

12:40 AM

james@james-hp:~/Desktop/qb64$ ./setup_lnx.sh
bash: ./setup_lnx.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

@KazWolfe forgot you cant use ctrl+c to copy from terminal

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin use nano and re-write the #! line to just say: #!/bin/bash. Erase what it currently has.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe OK, 34. We've done cleanup. But these are only permanent devices. I have 3 I bring with me, my sister has three, my dad has a few more

Kaz Wolfe

I feel like your network is overly complicated and is way too more than what you need.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe I do want to redo it

Kaz Wolfe

34 PERMANENT DEVICES?!

James Tobin

12:41 AM

@KazWolfe that is what it already says

Kaz Wolfe

Is every appliance in your house wifi enabled?

Zacharee1

We have LAN

Kaz Wolfe

Erase and replace anyways.

James Tobin

#!/bin/bash

Zacharee1

We have three WAPs because there's a stone wall between a few rooms because of extensions done to the original building

James Tobin

12:42 AM

@KazWolfe doesn't solve the problem

Zacharee1

one of the WAPs doesn't work well, so we need one to replace it

Kaz Wolfe

okay, that leaves 31.

Seth

@Zacharee1 true enough.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe lemme try to list them..

Kaz Wolfe

also, are you assigning static IPs on the DHCP side or the machine side?

Zacharee1

12:43 AM

@KazWolfe both for the ones we need

we reserve the addresses and then assign them on the machine

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 Just do it on the server side for the MAC.

It's more efficient and more reliable.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe we have machines that replace the originals sometimes that need to be on the same IPs

James Tobin

xterm same error @KazWolfe

Kaz Wolfe

Then, change the MAC.

James Tobin

@KazWolfe ?

Kaz Wolfe

12:44 AM

@JamesTobin Erase the entire line and type it in.

James Tobin

@KazWolfe I DID

Kaz Wolfe

You completely removed the line, and the line after it?

James Tobin

not the line after it

Kaz Wolfe

I assume your script looks like this:

#!/bin/bash

do_something

James Tobin

I have used this script on other distros

@KazWolfe no there is no MT line between

MT = empty :D

Zacharee1

12:45 AM

@KazWolfe I think just excluding the IP from DHCP is enough and much easier

James Tobin

#!/bin/bash
#QB64 Installer -- Shell Script -- Matt Kilgore 2013
#Version 4 -- April 4, 2013
#Compiles:
# GL : .978
# SDL: .954

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 trust me, it's actually more reliable to assign by DHCP

James Tobin

@KazWolfe should I insert a new MT line?

Kaz Wolfe

Yeah, add one. See what happens.

James Tobin

gah

@KazWolfe same error

Kaz Wolfe

12:46 AM

do this:

dos2unix <script name>

18

Q: What is the ^M character called?

TexPad is creating it. I know that it is under some deadkey. I just cannot remember it is name. The blue character: I just want to mass remove them from my document. How can you type it?

James Tobin

installing...

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 It may seem counter-intuitive, but the reason for DHCP-side assignment is because you never have to guess if an IP is reserved or not. I mean, sure, you could scan the network or consult a notebook, but having it centrally is better.

Plus, if you ever want to change your subnet/whatever, you can push the changes right from the DHCP server without having to reconfigure devices manually.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe we also have a DHCP range and then a static range

Kaz Wolfe

And, it's fully cross-platform, so if your MAC is in the DHCP list, the same IP will be given no matter what OS you run.

James Tobin

@KazWolfe the perl -p -i -e "s/\r//g" command in that topic worked :)

Kaz Wolfe

12:49 AM

Static assignment on the DHCP server is better just because you get to control it from a single centralized place, which is much better in enterprise environments where it's too much work to actually manually go to every machine.

Sure, in a home network it doesn't matter, but on a real network, it's indispensable. Best-practice, if you will.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe not everything has static

only a few

Kaz Wolfe

And, you can assign IPs to things that don't support static IP (hullo, roku)

Zacharee1

my Roku does static

Kaz Wolfe

mine doesn't.

Either way, it's still best-practice to assign static IPs from the DHCP side.

i mean, YMMV, but I find that having this centralized location for management is so helpful.

James Tobin

gah now it is causing a similar ^M error from inside the .sh file

dumb xubuntu :(

Kaz Wolfe

12:52 AM

that's not xubuntu

that's script encoding.

James Tobin

the script works on other distros

official qb64 installer

Kaz Wolfe

it's definitely better (for me at least) to change IPs from a central location than it is to go around to every device and change static routes.

Zacharee1

OK, so here goes:

4KServer - Windows 2008 server in shop building for a data center
5KServer - The DHCP/DNS server (these may be backwards)
shopcam - a camera in the shop building to record the CNC machine
Rostock - the 3D printer controller
NAS11 - A backup drive
JETDIRECT - Printer
WF-7510 - another printer
HP9500 - another printer
switchc543eb - some Cisco smart switch
ZMSI - moi
USIS-HP-ASBURY - a work computer in need of repair
kindle - sister's Kindle
192.168.254.118 - something from Sony, idk

Kaz Wolfe

what the hell.

that is... excessive at best.

gimme $40/hr and travel costs and I'll come out and redo that right for you lol

Zacharee1

lol

You have to use Windows Server 2008 though

Kaz Wolfe

12:55 AM

i can do that

Zacharee1

which was obtained ahem legally ahem

Kaz Wolfe

first off, that is way too many switches. Second, switches should be placed on a management network not in your main subnet.

You have a Cisco router. Use VLAN tagging.

Zacharee1

Actually, no, that was the Server 2003 machines which both committed suicide

2008 was fine

@KazWolfe We have two buildings, a 19th century house and stone walls. We need these switches

Kaz Wolfe

no you don't.

not that many.

Zacharee1

We have 3 definite switches

Kaz Wolfe

12:57 AM

sure, one or two maybe, but not that many. At all. I'd assume you have CAT wiring somewhere, so just put them all to a central switch somewhere.

And for the love of god use VLANs.

Zacharee1

VLANs? Why

Kaz Wolfe

Switches go on their own management/backbone network.

Devices go on their own real network.

Zacharee1

This is a home network

we don't want to separate stuff

@KazWolfe here's why we have the switches. The office has LAN. There's one line running from the office to my room and one running to my dad's. There are two lines running to the shop for 2Gb connection.

oops

Kaz Wolfe

You still should separate switches on a home network.

Again, best-practice.

Zacharee1

and I will continue, but running out of edit time

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