Ask Ubuntu General Room

12:00 AM

he started it, sure, but I don't think he really did much directly to influence the development of the project (like all of the Debian Developers who actually made the OS work).

Seth

I can't find the great article I read about the founding of ubuntu atm, but he was, and is, still fairly hands on. (and was more so at the beginning)

@KazWolfe I don't recall Unity starting with the idea of convergence. That came later.

Poorly executed, yes. Mark has even admitted that.

Kaz Wolfe

when i jumped from Gnome2 to Unity, it was an extremely jarring transition that made no sense and seemed like a step backwards.

Byte Commander

still preferring Unity over XFCE, KDE, Gnome and LXDE

Seth

well I started using linux with 11.04, when Unity became default and gnome2 was still offered, and I tried both. Ended with Unity.

Kaz Wolfe

yay for not being able to customize ubuntu as per sabdfl's decision to keep the bar on the left.

Byte Commander

12:03 AM

That's a point. I still like it mostly.

Seth

@KazWolfe read this: informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1186095&seqNum=3

Zacharee1

@Seth wait, have I been using Linux longer than you?? o_O I started with 8.04 or lower

Seth

@KazWolfe Different people, different tastes. I still don't understand why we're having this conversation. Like gnome2? Use MATÉ and profit.

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 7.04 here

Byte Commander

MATÉ

Zacharee1

12:05 AM

MATÉ?

Byte Commander

?

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe beat me by a year

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth still, for a free os, that move was kinda ... lacking ... in freedom of technology

Byte Commander

Played too much PokÉmon?

Zacharee1

but I got the LTS ;p

Seth

12:05 AM

Huh. Maybe they stopped writing it that way?

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe The point of Linux may be to be able to do what you want with it, but that doesn't necessarily extend to software that runs on Linux (ahem AMD, NVIDIA, Oracle)

Byte Commander

And I feel like a noob now, having started with 14.10...

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander WAT

Seth

@Zacharee1 wouldn't be surprised.

Zacharee1

@Seth They wrote it that way?

@Seth o_O

Seth

12:06 AM

@Zacharee1 I thought so.

Byte Commander

Yup. The Unicorn.

Seth

Doesn't it inflect the proper pronunciation?

@ByteCommander newbie ;):p

we should ask @Rinzwind when he started using Linux...

Byte Commander

Still having more rep than all three of you :P

Zacharee1

I thought it was "Ubuntu Mate"

pronounced as spelled

Seth

nope.

Zacharee1

12:07 AM

Ubuntu MATE

Ubuntu MATE is a free and open-source Linux distribution and an official derivative of Ubuntu. Its main differentiation from Ubuntu is that it uses the MATE desktop environment as its default user interface, based on GNOME 2 which was used for Ubuntu versions prior to 11.04, instead of the Unity graphical shell that is the default user interface for the Ubuntu desktop. The Ubuntu MATE project was founded by Martin Wimpress and Alan Pope and began as an unofficial derivative of Ubuntu, using an Ubuntu 14.10 base for its first release; a 14.04 LTS release followed shortly. As of February 2015, Ubuntu...

Seth

It's Ubuntu MATE, pronounced "may-tay"

Zacharee1

It's matté?

may tay? ewwww

Byte Commander

330 more than Seth, I just caught up with you this week :D

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander AGH

@ByteCommander you've been much more active here than I have though

Seth

@ByteCommander Nice job!

Byte Commander

12:09 AM

seems so.

Seth

I'm a bit of a slacker answer wise.. Especially since I became a moderator :/

Byte Commander

and it's a confirmation that I have no life... :-/

Zacharee1

@Seth lol, well at least you seem to be moderating

@ByteCommander yep

Kaz Wolfe

i gotta sprint over to 20k

Seth

new piano guys video - brb

Byte Commander

12:09 AM

Next month it will change anyway, starting to study.

Zacharee1

@Seth mah-tey ubuntu-mate.org/blog/how-to-pronounce-mate

Seth

@Zacharee1 yeah

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander gasp

@Seth you said may-tey

Seth

@Zacharee1 I know. Couldn't remember exactly. Looked it up afterward. Didn't consider it big enough to correct.

Zacharee1

It's a huge difference though

may-tey is just disgusting :p

mah-tey makes sense

Byte Commander

12:11 AM

Earlier that day, I found out that SuSE Linux is pronounced "suu-zah"...

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander and you're German....

Byte Commander

so what?

Zacharee1

SUSE is German

How'd you pronounce it?

Byte Commander

Yeah.

Seth

Wow, didn't know Al had such a good voice.

Zacharee1

12:12 AM

who?

Seth

@ByteCommander haha ikr. That one caught be by surprise too.

Byte Commander

I just would have used other "words" to describe how to pronounce it.

I'd have described it as "soo-zeh".

Seth

new album too :D:D:D:D:D

Zacharee1

> guday ma-tay

im going to be la-me and shop at targ-ay,

you want to call it that, then put an accent on the damn relevant letters, it just makes those that say it arrogant and wanting to be all hipster and shyt, i hate hipsters.

Seth

wait, pirates of the Caribbean?!?! Ahhhhhhh. Money down the drain...

Byte Commander

12:14 AM

Maybe I'm just pronouncing the English syllables incorrectly though.

Kaz Wolfe

how

this chat likes tangents lol

Zacharee1

> The company has been known to pronounce it as "zu-zuh".

@KazWolfe the tangents are when we talk about Ubuntu

we hate those

@ByteCommander so the German pronunciation should be "tsu-tsuh"

Kaz Wolfe

Also, AT&T/Comcast are at it again

reddit.com/r/news/comments/53otvm/…

Seth

I hate them.

And I use both of them.

I hate them even more.

Kaz Wolfe

i really want to get a small loan of $1,000,000 and set up an experimental ISP in my town.

one that actually, like, cares about their customers and provides actual internet without murdering everything.

imagine this... A home ISP that comes with an SLA.

Zacharee1

12:19 AM

@KazWolfe Trump will be happy to give you that, provided that you're his son

Seth

GUYS

Kaz Wolfe

though, i think there's an untapped market in pay-as-you-go home internet.

Seth

Coldplay's latest album is just $0.99 on Google Play right now!

Kaz Wolfe

It'll end up so much cheaper for the average user.

Seth

considering that each song is $1.29 individually...

Zacharee1

12:20 AM

@Seth THXNOTHX I HAVE SPOTIFY PREM

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth wanna buy it for me?

Seth

@KazWolfe Google Survey credit ftw

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth flagged as highly offensive.

They banned me from that for some dumb reason :(

Seth

impulse buys ftw lol

Zacharee1

@Seth @KazWolfe hasn't been getting surveys so he's a little envious

Seth

12:20 AM

I totally did not open Google Play to buy a coldplay album...

Zacharee1

@Seth Time to buy that Bugatti

Kaz Wolfe

I've never gotten a single survey.

Not a one. Nothing.

Seth

@Zacharee1 eh, with location based surveys turned off they are few and far between.

@KazWolfe What device?

Kaz Wolfe

Was an LG phone.

Seth

hm.

Kaz Wolfe

12:22 AM

location was definitely on, worked perfectly for someone else with the exact same setup.

Zacharee1

on your internet?

Kaz Wolfe

Google just decided to up and ban me because lol

Mateo

@KazWolfe you can move it to the bottom in 16.04

Seth

@Zacharee1 richie :P

Kaz Wolfe

@Mateo yeah, it took how many years to do that?

Zacharee1

12:23 AM

@Seth :p

@KazWolfe only 6

Kaz Wolfe

that's six too many. It should have been a day-zero feature.

Mateo

and you always had the choice of another desktop ;)

Zacharee1

I reiterate:

18 mins ago, by Zacharee1

@KazWolfe The point of Linux may be to be able to do what you want with it, but that doesn't necessarily extend to software that runs on Linux (ahem AMD, NVIDIA, Oracle)

Kaz Wolfe

@Mateo And you have a choice between dial-up and Comcast.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe I have a choice among dial-up, DSL and Service Electric

Kaz Wolfe

12:25 AM

@Zacharee1 That rule falls apart when the software is written by the same guys that wrote the same core platform.

Zacharee1

We may also be getting Xfinity here soon (yeah it's Comcast, but cheap)

Kaz Wolfe

especially if they push for "free software" that you can do whatever you want with

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe Not really.

It's software, not the OS. The rules don't have to apply to the software

it's just that you have the power to choose whether or not you actually want that software

and you can change the launcher position; it's just not easy

Seth

and now I found a new, totally cool, acapella band. youtube.com/channel/UCTFuNYrqAcsmSjgqYMvxOqw

Serg

@KazWolfe Can I haz java question ?

Kaz Wolfe

12:40 AM

@Serg k

Serg

@KazWolfe what's the "package blah.blah.blah " line ? What does it do ?

Kaz Wolfe

it defines where the current java class is to the interpreter

Seth

isn't it like namespace in C#?

Kaz Wolfe

i think so?

Serg

So . . . that's has to be like an actual directory path ? So if I have package murach.games; , I have to make "/home/user/murach/games" and place my class there ?

Kaz Wolfe

12:43 AM

yep

Serg

Got it . . . finally . . .

Seth

awww "Chatty Chupacabras" is too long for a twitter handle :(

need new ideas.

edwinksl

huh, what's the max chars

Seth

15

ChattyCapybaras?

hah, Ubuntu skipped C. I wonder why lol.

edwinksl

12:59 AM

@Seth wow they are pretty cute. i can get on board with this

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth you should make a bot that posts to the star board if something goes over 6 stars

Seth

nah, that would have too many false positives.

lol if I "inspect element" and increase the character limit to 18 it says the username is already taken.

Zacharee1

heh

> There are a lot of options. You can give a look here.

Keep in mind that in the link I sent you they mainly suggest how to set the path in the current session.

However if you change the path to the suggested values in ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc (depending which one you modified) you should be fine.

answer or no?

Seth

ah well. capybara it is.

stupid twitter.

ah shoot. I put my real name in assuming it wouldn't be displayed. it is. and I can't change it.

Severus Tux

Hello everyone :)

Zacharee1

1:06 AM

@Seth eksdee

Kaz Wolfe

you can definitely change your Twittre name, Mr. White.

Seth

can't find the option..

handle yes, name no.

Severus Tux

3

edwinksl

but we want to know your real name, mr iguana

Kaz Wolfe

Edit Profile button

edwinksl

1:08 AM

@SeverusTux accurate

Kaz Wolfe

@edwinksl Bill White.

:P

@KazWolfe Aha!

twitter noob found

@edwinksl it's not that hard to find..

Kaz Wolfe

1:09 AM

You're welcome, Mr. Bill White, SSN 032-93-9102, bank PIN 5163. Married to Jane White (121-96-3519, 0492). Works for Downtown Technology, Inc.

edwinksl

lmao

Kaz Wolfe

Email password: C@pyb4r4sRgr8

Seth

wanna make an icon @Zacharee1?

Zacharee1

for what?

Seth

The twitter account.

I was thinking start with this but modify it to be more chatt-y:

22

A: Google+ Fan Page Logo Competition

I wanted to keep it simple because I just prefer simplicity in design. 512x512 200x200 This is 48x48, 44x44 and 16x16 accordingly. 16x16 just to show you how a favicon would look like. 48x48 44x44 16x16 Additional material: Inkscape SVG source - 2048x2048 Plain SVG version - 2048x20...

edwinksl

1:11 AM

@KazWolfe good password. using it for my gmail brb

Seth

but I dunno.

Nathan Osman

^--- treehouse

Kaz Wolfe

@edwinksl Well, you should ask permission from Mr. White, aka @Seth first.

Seth

taking suggestions for a background photo too

@NathanOsman DSLR's are the bomb.

Nathan Osman

That was taken with my OnePlus 3.

Lol :D

Seth

1:15 AM

@NathanOsman got any conversations from this chat/site in your mind that would make a good twitter background?

@NathanOsman >.>

edwinksl

yay i am first follower

Seth

@edwinksl lol, just noticed xD

Nathan Osman

@Seth what exactly are you looking for?

Seth

I'm looking for a conversation that is silly/weird/funny that shows the culture of the room.

Nathan Osman

Like a screenshot of discussion?

Seth

1:16 AM

Or at least the culture 2 years ago ;P

@NathanOsman yeah. I was looking through the discussions.

Nathan Osman

Okay, well let me think.

^--- wooden houses on a log

Seth

I think I found a good one

Ask Ubuntu Chat

@ChattyCapybaras, Stack Exchange HQ

0 tweets, 1 followers, following 0 users

thoughts?

I still need a profile picture

Nathan Osman

What's the account for?

Seth

It's like Stack Overheads, but for Ask Ubuntu.

Nathan Osman

Want me to write a bot that auto tweets anything with 8+ stars?

:D

Seth

1:19 AM

Pretty sure I've discussed it with you present before?

Nathan Osman

Nope.

Not that I remember.

Seth

@NathanOsman No, because that will catch PSAs and things that aren't funny..

It will have to be manual :/

do you approve of the background though?

Nathan Osman

Lemme look.

Zacharee1

Nathan Osman

I like it (the background).

Zacharee1

1:20 AM

@Seth do you have a link for that image source? I think it would look better dark themed :p

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 needs moar bacon

Seth

@Zacharee1 how is that more... chatt-y?

Zacharee1

I thought maybe you'd like the star theme

cause it's star oriented

Nathan Osman

I'm not home but I'll try my hand at something when I am.

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 FOR THE MOTHERLAND

3

Zacharee1

1:21 AM

wat

Seth

@KazWolfe I think this will be my first tweet.

Kaz Wolfe

oh god what have i done

i just managed to make a twitter account ;-;

Nathan Osman

@Seth how about this: a password protected site that periodically checks for starred messages that meet a certain criteria and displays them in a list. Users with accounts can log in and click a button to select which ones to tweet. That way multiple users can be permitted to tweet without sharing passwords.

Seth

@NathanOsman I was just about to suggest something like that

Kaz Wolfe

on an unrelated note, the bot is doing very well. @Seth, I actually would like feedback on what i can do to make it useful and not so fun that it detracts from chat.

Nathan Osman

1:24 AM

We do something similar for 2buntu.

@Seth say no more. I'm on it.

Zacharee1

6

edwinksl

@Seth pluralization bug xD

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 FOR THE... BACONLAND?

Nathan Osman

You knew that was getting a star, didn't you...

Zacharee1

YES @KazWolfe

wat @NathanOsman

Kaz Wolfe

1:25 AM

we need a "many memes of AU" metapost

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe ooh lol

Seth

@NathanOsman Awesome! Also add a manual method though. Sometimes the good ones don't get starred.

The only other feature I was going to suggest is that is tweets one automatically every x time period.

Kaz Wolfe

so what you're saying is i need to reverse-engineer the algorithm for deciding what to post?

Nathan Osman

@Seth will do. I'll try to have it up and running in a day or two. I'm kinda sorta on a break right now and need a short project :)

@Seth like a queue?

Seth

@NathanOsman maybe you should.. break, on your break?

Kaz Wolfe

1:27 AM

FOR THE MOTHERLAND

Tweeted by ChattyCapybaras on September 21, 2016 at 1:26 AM

Seth

@NathanOsman yeah

Kaz Wolfe

yay?

Nathan Osman

@Seth not that kind of break :P

Seth

@KazWolfe I considered just tweeting "Kaz." but decided I'd save that for another day >:P

Nathan Osman

Just bekaz.

Kaz Wolfe

1:28 AM

@Seth i'm... honored?

@NathanOsman spec for the thing:

if poster is named "Kaz Wolfe"
    message should be discarded

Seth

@Zacharee1 for lack of anything better I will use this for the time being.

I don't disapprove of the bacon.

Nathan Osman

@Seth do you have access to the Ask Ubuntu organization on GitHub?

Zacharee1

lol

Nathan Osman

I'd like to stick the source code there if possible.

Zacharee1

I'm making something else

Seth

1:30 AM

@NathanOsman no.. but I know how to bug both James and Marco.

Nathan Osman

I'll ask James.

Seth

I haven't been able to get ahold of James for a bit.

Lets see.. where did I put his phone number.

Kaz Wolfe

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I've got as far as partitioning the drive with room for Ubuntu and its bootloader and making a bootable USB, but now I'm stuck. I have rEFInd installed and when I restart, it correctly picks up the bootable USB and I select it. It successfully loads the screen that queries me on if I just want to...

Long ass title good god

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice askubuntu.com/posts/827658/edit

Nathan Osman

1:34 AM

@Seth I sent him a message.

I chat with him often

Seth

same. except recently.

okay so I exaggerate. It's only been 7 days.

@NathanOsman cool. He might as well just add you then.

Zacharee1

@edwinksl do you use HTTPS for AU?

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 yes for my bookmark. but the https goes back to http if i visit other sites through the dropdown menu, so i usually end up in http pretty quickly

Zacharee1

@edwinksl have you tried the script using just HTTP? HTTPS isn't included

edwinksl

yeah just http

Zacharee1

1:38 AM

hmm

edwinksl

i saw what your script did, so i did check to make sure i was on http

Nathan Osman

@Seth he's going to do it tomorrow.

Seth

@NathanOsman great

also y u no reply to my message :(

@NathanOsman gtalk

Nathan Osman

Just got it, hang on...

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 anyway it is ok, i don't need a dark theme and my chrome version is weird too

Zacharee1

1:43 AM

no kidding

edwinksl

rip bacon?

Zacharee1

well I can put that in....

Seth

so I was going through the starwall... @kaz

Sep 15 at 23:53, by Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander we're near the pimple on the ass of the world.

I have a feeling you're going to hate this twitter account.

Kaz Wolfe

oh no

am i this account?

Seth

(I probably won't tweet that, fwiw)

edwinksl

1:47 AM

be proud of your memehood

Kaz Wolfe

@edwinksl at least i can actually be useful for things sometimes

Nathan Osman

I don't have stock in Docker but I'd be nervous about it right now if I did.

Docker Hub is not doing well

Zacharee1

?

bacon version

@Seth I think this should go on:

yesterday, by Zacharee1

wait

Nathan Osman

Dude.

That is awesome.

Seth

lol edit troll

Zacharee1

1:51 AM

@NathanOsman I don't see you in scriptland

@Seth :p

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 wat

Seth

well I have homework so I should really get back to that.

Zacharee1

@edwinksl exactly

edwinksl

@Seth oh you haven't learned how to accidentally finish it like zach does?

4

Zacharee1

I like how 2011 MacBooks are "old," but 2011 PCs are considered recent

@edwinksl "oops"

seriously though

I always think I have more than I do

Seth

1:54 AM

Sep 11 at 21:45, by Seth

I wish I could accidentally do most of my homework...

Kaz Wolfe

So @Seth. Thanks for the twitter account m8!

Zacharee1

I'm having a very hard time figuring out why this has 4 stars

2

8 hours ago, by IanC

I'm back!

Seth

@KazWolfe heh

Zacharee1

Oh god, the code commenting

I should've done this in the first place

dafuq

edwinksl

---^ wtf...

Zacharee1

1:58 AM

is this the guy who was Wikipedia-ifying everything before? askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/619934

edwinksl

different guy

Zacharee1

sigh

edwinksl

what's up with those useless links to wikipedia

Zacharee1

idek

Nathan Osman

Uh-oh. I forgot my password for Waze...

Zacharee1

2:05 AM

lol this delete vote record askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/619488

edwinksl

2:17 AM

@Zacharee1 i can't see the deleted answer :(

costly mistake by OP xD askubuntu.com/questions/824643/…

Serg

@edwinksl what's the mistake ? It shows x86_64 , so it's clearly not 32 bit

Oh, I see his answer . . .

edwinksl

yeah

in any case

i don't know how the kernel remained 32-bit when OP claimed he/she upgraded to 64-bit 16.04? what even happened?

Serg

Well, we'll find out that

edwinksl

confusing, at least to me

andrew.46

@edwinksl I suspect that he finally realised he had a 32bit install :)

edwinksl

2:32 AM

seems like it

chatting on mobile is difficult :/

Serg

@edwinksl and error-prone , too

Thomas Ward

And how did you figure out your kernel is 32 bit ? somehow i am not too certain this is all correct. Can you please tell us what dpkg --print-architecture ? Also, consider doing memory test from the boot menu ( you should see an option for that ) . It's not uncommon to have broken RAM due to static electricity when touching it — Serg 3 mins ago

@Serg ^ That'd be in direct conflict with OP's answer

if the chip were fried it'd still not show the full memory under 64bit

if I'm reading right, OP clean installed 64bit and then memory displayed as expected with full 32GB

based on their answer and comments

just saying :)

Seth

a wild Thomas appears!

:)

Serg

@ThomasWard If they nuked their system already and installed 64 bit, then sure - there won't be much we can figure out now, but before it would be useful to check with dpkg.

Seth

so in class today the professor said 32bit could only address 4GB and the class agreed. But no one mentioned PAE and when I mentioned it, didn't know what it was o_O

andrew.46

2:38 AM

@Seth Correcting the teacher has its own issues :)

Seth

@andrew.46 Thankfully I didn't say it loudly enough for the teacher to hear ;)

edwinksl

@Seth you should teach the class...

Seth

@edwinksl eh, I don't know everything.

or even nearly everything.

there's a reason I'm in the class ;)

Tho I got out of Linux 101 \o/

Serg

@Seth it's rare to have a professor who keeps up with newest tech. They have curriculum and stick to it.

Seth

@Serg PAE has been out for a long time :)

and they actually just updated the curriculum to keep up with the latest version of the A+ cert.

Serg

2:41 AM

Welp, then they didn't update it well enough

Seth

no argument there.

Thomas Ward

@Seth whatchu talking about i been here in the shadows since the dawn of oblivion and shall be here long after the End of Time

:P

:p

:p

:p

2:46 AM

:p

Seth

wat the wat

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I recently installed elementary OS freya over my fedora24 installation. I decided to use my older .rpm packages to reinstall in elementary using alien package converter. I converted dpkg-1.17.25-8.fc25.x86_64.rpm to deb and tried to install after few secs it ended with an error. i forgot to copy ...

apt package-management software-installation dpkg

Kaz Wolfe

no seth

you broke the chain

Seth

I waited. No one else followed.

Serg

>>> while True:
...     print ":p"
...

@Seth That doesn't make me quite happy. Sure, the issue isn't related to OS differences, but . . . this sets bad example

Seth

@Serg if you edit I will reopen.

I'm too busy to remove all the elementary references.

Kaz Wolfe

2:54 AM

@Seth sounds like you need a bot to find them

0

Q: How to install snap on CentOS 7?

Can't find any document shows how to install snap on CentOS 7. There's no document for build from source either. Does anyone here have any experience on it?