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RPi Awesomeness

19:01

I'm going to try out setting up a MC server on my Pi using NoIP instead of a domain...will give you the NoIP thing if it works okay. From my research it looks feasible (no major mods though, sadly)

pacificfils

19:15

AskUbuntu's official song:

►

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness Don't expect the bridge to help you 90% of the time or so.

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth Heh. So I've noticed :D

FEichinger

If the Bridge is in a discussion, chances are they won't notice you.

Seth

and the bridge is almost always in a discussion.

RPi Awesomeness

I've always wondered why people hate Unity so much

FEichinger

19:25

@Seth Not true at all!

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness agreed.

RPi Awesomeness

I don't mind it...

FEichinger

@RPiAwesomeness Oh, I could give you a good hour of ranting about it ...

But I'm busy.

Seth

@FEichinger heh, I've only been there like once, maybe twice, when there wasn't a discussion going.

RPi Awesomeness

Granted, I've only used Unity, so...I might be biased

Seth

19:25

Wait till you try enlightenment.

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth What do you think of Unity?

Seth

@RPiAwesomeness shrug. Like jrg says, it works.

RPi Awesomeness

dangit, my internet died

Seth

I do like it's keyboard shortcuts though.

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth is enlightenment another DE?

Seth

19:27

looks at stars oh great. Uktarsh/Windows 8 trolling again?

@RPiAwesomeness yes

RPi Awesomeness

@Seth What? Where?

Seth

Somewhere in here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13014306#13014306

FEichinger

Unity is bloated and slow, tries too hard at being fancy and is being reduced more and more to this "unified Ubuntu experience", rather than being useful and practical.

RPi Awesomeness

Ah

pacificfils

XDM FTW

RPi Awesomeness

19:31

@FEichinger Trying to take on Apple/Windows...

Seth

@FEichinger Too many relative words in that sentence.

RPi Awesomeness

I've heard that unity is great on Ubuntu touch

pacificfils

Correct.

Unity is for touch screens

Seth

Unity 8 might be, but I think Unity 7 would be awful on a touch screen... Like Windows Mobile or something.

Mateo

@seth i think windows 8 he has a new user that answered two of his questions and both accepted...

RPi Awesomeness

19:34

@Seth Yeah, that's what I meant. Think Unity 8 will be any better?

pacificfils

@everyone who says we need a DM?

RPi Awesomeness

Ugh. Missing my Ubuntu system right now. I can't even run Word and Firefox at the same time on my Mac without lag. Granted it's 14 yrs old and has 512MB of RAM...BUT STILL!

HURRY UP POWER CORD!

pacificfils

i can't run firefox without running out of RAM...

RPi Awesomeness

@pacificfils That is most strange. I run the Nightly version just fine on 2.5GB of RAM. Had Firefox, GIMP, and Inkscape all running at once, No Probleema.

pacificfils

well, you aren't using a POS netbook

Seth

19:39

@pacificfils Upgrade your kernel.

@RPiAwesomeness I don't know...

@pacificfils Okay, that's funny.

Jeremy

@Seth Not sure if you saw this:

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Q: Ubuntu bold font not imported

The Issue Recently I noticed something odd: when booting into OSX and visiting AskUbuntu, bold fonts render oddly. I've only noticed this in Chrome; in Firefox and Safari, the bold font renders perfectly fine. For example, the following markdown (taken from the markdown help page): *This is ...

But just thought I'd send you the update

pacificfils

@Seth I have. I think there's a new one out though

Seth

@Jeremy Oh cool.

@pacificfils What version are you using now?

pacificfils

updating to 3.8.0-35

so, vote to make that YT the official AU song?

Seth

I'm on 3.11.. so you're behind ;)

@pacificfils no.

pacificfils

19:47

lol, and i am on 12.04

oh my god.

after being on a netbook for 3 weeks, i get on a full laptop.

it is HUGE.

Seth

I bet it is.

@Jeremy Seems like Windows 8 is still using your gravatar..

If you have a problem with that you should let the mods know.

Jeremy

@Seth Meh, tried that. SE wants me to fill out a DMCA report which seems like too much effort for something that's not that big of a deal =/

Seth

Oh ok.

Probably is.

My internet is suddenly acting up..

Jeremy

The clogs must be piped from all the students checking school websites :P

pacificfils

^^

Seth

19:54

lol

Mateo

askubuntu.com/q/361816/47291 notice something strange...

Jeremy

I wonder how many district sites crashed in the past 24 hours

@Mateo My avatar?

Seth

Wait.. wut?

CLOSE THAT

Mateo

The accepted answer, check that users other accepted answer...

Seth

that is... odd.

If it happens much more the mods will catch it though.

Jeremy

19:57

Maybe I didn't catch it... what's odd?

Seth

The user that answered his question (and the answer he accepted) only has one more answer, also on one of his questions, also accepted.

Braiam

@Mateo omg... check the revision askubuntu.com/posts/361816/revisions

Mateo

And the one was switched from a more detailed answer, but recommending same program

Seth

I can't believe that was reopened.

Jeremy

@Seth You suspect a sock puppet?

Seth

19:59

@Braiam lots of rollbacks too

@Jeremy I dunno.. Seems odd.

Mateo

Why did you un-accept? :) — Mitch Jan 1 at 16:40

Jeremy

askubuntu.com/revisions/361816/1

^ His first question was rather odd... according to his profile, he's 13. I hope he doesn't have a 12-year-old daughter =/

Seth

huh. Downvoting the answer. Wasn't any good anyway. Compared to Mitch's.

Braiam

ok, that seems like a comment, it doesn't even tells how to install it...

Mateo

Maybe... Someone they know?

Seth

20:02

could be that too.

My internet died again..

Braiam

@Seth time to restart the router ;)

Seth

perhaps.

BBL

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Jeremy

@Seth I did some digging. It appears to be a sock puppet!

Go to askubuntu.com/users/231631/sparkle, look at his website. Scroll down to "Not went to Picnic; let’s see what will happen tonight" and look at the image he linked to. Look at the tags on the picture

Braiam

@Seth do you see something weird in the title? askubuntu.com/q/401116/169736

Jeremy

20:15

Also, look at the username in the top right of the photo

Well now I'm not exactly sure how I got to that page, it seems when I click it now it takes me to the picture and not the page that had the tags... interesting. Regardless, the username on the snapshot shows "Uktarsh"

tinypic.com/view.php?pic=jual91&s=5#.UssQV2RDtk7

@oli ^

RolandiXor

20:30

Muktware saddens me.

And, word to the wise: don't try to make a fool of me online:

plus.google.com/u/0/108901876667002638432/posts/3sWbTT7NqPr

Jeremy

@RolandiXor You'll work too. :D ^

RolandiXor

@Jeremy for?

Food?

Jeremy

This user is likely a sock puppet for this use.

Go to the first user's website, scroll down to a snapshot of GNOME and look at the username in the top right. That's an old alias for the second user. Additionally, both of Sparkle's answers are accepted answers on Windows8's questions. On one of his questions, Windows8 even changed the accepted answer to Sparkle's when the previous accepted answer was clearly better

Also, don't be fooled by Windows 8's avatar. He stole mine :P

44 mins ago, by Jeremy

The clogs must be piped from all the students checking school websites :P

*Pipes must be clogged

@RolandiXor Still there? =/

RolandiXor

20:45

@Jeremy sorry about that I had to go afk for a bit

I'll look into it, thanks!

@Jeremy I changed it

I noticed a number of users are stealing your avatar recently.

Jeremy

@RolandiXor Haha thanks. SE wanted me to fill out a dmca report

@RolandiXor Oh? Who else

RolandiXor

@Jeremy they did?

Johannes Kuhn

Argh. Vote down requires 125 reputation. I have 121 reputation :/

RolandiXor

Is he the same as Utkarsh?

or whatever his name is?

Jeremy

@RolandiXor Windows 8 used to be Uktarsh

RolandiXor

20:48

I see.

Jeremy

Johannes Kuhn

Utkarsh is his username on his machine.

RolandiXor

@Jeremy I see. Maybe I should change his image back to yours so they can handle it.

Jeremy

@RolandiXor -.- If you must. But I probably won't fill out a dmca report. It seems their way of "handling it" is to just ignore it

RolandiXor

@Jeremy no, it isn't.

Johannes Kuhn

20:52

They can't ignore it.

RolandiXor

Just file the report; I personally won't get too deeply involved in that part of it.

Johannes Kuhn

Some idiots aren't able to create a legit looking sockpupet.

pacificfils

who are we DMCAing?

(please be apple, please be apple, please be apple)

Johannes Kuhn

unfortunately, Ask Ubuntu. About a stolen user avatar.

pacificfils

??

what, how, and who?

RolandiXor

20:58

Relax, relax.

Let SE handle it.

Change subject :)

pacificfils

and do I need to change my avatar?

RolandiXor

No.

Change subject.

Johannes Kuhn

Windows 8

166 1 16

12.04 boot debian grub2 lubuntu command-line unity

pacificfils

fine Rolandi.

Johannes Kuhn

Jeremy

418 2 17

installation mac macbook-pro uefi boot-partition grub2 grubrescue

pacificfils

20:59

hisses

RolandiXor

Topics like this can go where they shouldn't; hence my advice.

Johannes Kuhn

hisses too

pacificfils

so ask is gonna be hit with a DMCA from ask?

wow.

RolandiXor

e_e

Jeremy

Let's keep this all clear of the chatroom...

RolandiXor

21:01

I don't want to be a bully, though I can.

But we should leave the subject out of chat now.

pacificfils

goes to the Bother Pac room

RolandiXor

-_-...

Seth

@Jeremy I can't get his image to load.. and my internet is acting crazy.

This isn't good. Esp. since it works fine on the other computers.

Jeremy

@Seth That's odd =/

Braiam

@Seth time to restart the system ;)

BTW, can someone tell me the differences between "Does a desktop need to set up a private cloud?" and "Is a desktop needed to set up a private cloud?"?

Seth

21:05

@Braiam I did that and restarted the router too.

Braiam

the first doesn't make sense to me...

@Seth cleared cache and cookies?

Seth

@Jeremy Got it to load on another computer.. I guess it could be friends tagging his name in there, but it certainly is suspicious. Mods (like @RolandiXor) can see users IP addresses, so if both users are in the same area it should be obvious. And they can see voting patterns.

@Braiam No, good idea. Let me do that.

RolandiXor

@Seth We're looking at it :)

But I won't discuss details.

Seth

Alright.

Braiam

@Seth internet's fine?

Seth

21:09

@Braiam So far, gotta go now, but looks okay. I forget to clear my cookies sometimes.

I usually put that off since I have to log into everything again.

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21:46

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Q: qemu emulator for raspberry

I am trying to emulate a raspberry pi on ubuntu. I have tried several ways using several tutorials but every time, the emulator logs this: scsi: 0:0:0:0 ABORT operation started scsi: 0:0:0:0 ABORT operation timed-out. scsi: 0:0:0:0 DEVICE RESET operation started scsi: 0:0:0:0 DEV...

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hbdgaf

23:04

@Mateo - I found out what my segfault on 12.04 was about for CamCastic. Details here: bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710447 <-- it was a corner case with specific package versions all lining up.

Seth

Searching for Suckit rootkit...    Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED

Wondering if I should believe chkrootkit..

FEichinger

$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
Description:	Ubuntu Trusty Tahr (development branch)
Release:	14.04
Codename:	trusty

sigh

Seth

why are you sighing?

FEichinger

Because this is my work laptop. Not a testing machine.

Seth

So why is it running 14.04?

FEichinger

23:10

Because 13.10 has a bug which makes it impossible to install here.

Seth

I see. Well 14.04 is said to be pretty stable.

FEichinger

It's surprisingly stable. At least it boots and doesn't throw errors every other minute.

Andrew

Hello

@Seth do you want to help me?

Jeremy

2 days ago, by Windows 8

I am new here, can someone tell me ehat we talk about?

19 hours ago, by Sparkle

What do we talk about here?

@Andrew Actually just the other day I heard Seth saying about how he was dying to help you :P

Andrew

With what

Seth

23:14

I'm always willing to help, but you don't usually provide all the information I ask for.

Jeremy

@Andrew I'm kidding :)

Seth

Anyway, what's going on now?

Jeremy

@Seth ^ something interesting I found

Andrew

@Seth I want to develop a desktop enviroment

@Seth guess why?

Jeremy

And he said hi to himself:

14 hours ago, by Windows 8

@Sparkle hi welcome here

Seth

23:16

@Jeremy Yeah.. I noticed sparkles says he's 16 too

Andrew

I am 14

FEichinger

@Seth Oh, investigating socks? Neat.

Jeremy

@Seth Windows 8 is 13 according to his profie?

Seth

I guess they're just friends. if they keep doing this sort of stuff though it'll be voting fraud.

@FEichinger yeah

@Andrew No guesses.

Jeremy

You really think they're friends and not aliases?

Seth

23:17

@Jeremy Yes and yes.

Jeremy

Innocent until proven guilty approach? :P

Seth

ofc

Andrew

@Seth Because all of the DE's all have this problem. You can only customize it to a period until you need to chance the code and recompile it. I want a DE that every thing a plugin.... that work together like Joomla

Braiam

who doesn't know the difference between terminal, shell and command line please upvote this

Seth

flags: askubuntu.com/a/401208/44179

Andrew

23:20

flag with what?

It is a dup. of what?

Thomas W.

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Q: EOL Reminder: Raring (13.04) will be End of Life on (approximately) January 27, 2014

This is a notice regarding releases of Ubuntu that will reach end of life. The following versions of Ubuntu and derivatives will be officially end of life as of about January 27, 2014 (give or take a few days depending on the release team): Raring 13.04 New questions regarding the above po...

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Thought it'd be about time to post that :)

Braiam

@ThomasW. o/

Thomas W.

(in discussion with the release team, it was suggested to use Jan. 27 as the EOL date for the purposes of the reminder)

Seth

@Andrew nvm. It's gone now.

Thomas W.

\o @Braiam

Braiam

23:21

@Seth 1 entire hour that....

Seth

@Braiam You missed an old argument on that. I for one don't think it should be changed. We don't need 4 tags that mean almost the same thing.

Andrew

@Seth so you like my idea about the DE?

Braiam

@Seth but they are not the same thing!!!

FEichinger

@Andrew How is that a duplicate?

Seth

@Andrew It would be interesting alright.

@Braiam I know that

Oli sums it up well:

> They're all pretty generic and they overlap huge amounts. I think in their case it's much more useful to have one tag to describe that we're talking about the command line and anything else be specific to the problem.

Andrew

23:22

@Seth It would take awhile to code and festerateing to get all thing to work togetmer... but...

Seth

but?

Braiam

@Seth please, see around, in SU only 5% of the question have 2 out the 3 tags, and UL only 10%

Andrew

@Seth my festeration come from how do I add a new hide mode for Kde Panel or Kpanel or what ever it is called.

Seth

@Andrew Well I don't use KDE so...

Andrew

@Seth it was an ex.

Seth

23:24

@Braiam bah humbug what the other sites do. If they want a mess let 'em have it.

Braiam

they don't have a mess... we have 4,370 questions that has vaguely relationship between one and another...

@Seth where was that discussion?

Andrew

@Seth My other issure is with the menu and the desktop. it is coded to overlap insaid of being one thing... it is hard for me to explain but you are understanding what I am saying?

Seth

@Braiam Dunno if I can find it.. It would be useful if I had the 10k tools... Let me see if I can coax SE search to be useful.

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Thomas W.

@AskUbuntuMeta You're slow to pick up on these things.

Seth

23:26

@Andrew No, not really.. I've found it's usually best to just find a DE that works and use it.

Braiam

@Seth this one was against the merge of terminal and commandline meta.askubuntu.com/a/824/169736

FEichinger

@Braiam Could you please provide example questions that would need the tags separate?

All I can see is "they're different things, so keep them different" ...

Redundancy is redundant.

If you get my drift.

Andrew

@Seth no DE works for me. I get festered with how it is coded why is the menu different from a desktop. why can't I have the menu as an desktop? Why...

Braiam

@FEichinger I did... in the question :(

recent example here askubuntu.com/q/401201/169736 (shell tag)

@FEichinger I love it :P

FEichinger

terminal and shell are essentially the same, usually even referring to bash specifically. No need to keep that all separate, if it's about bash, use friggin bash.

command-line is only different from shell if referring to a specific shell, in which case, again: specific shell's tag.

Braiam

23:31

@FEichinger please be enlightened unix.stackexchange.com/q/4126/41104

Andrew

@Seth how can I change how it handle desktops with a GUI interface. like you just draw the lines to the plugins to plugins, if you don't like just wright an plugin that does what you want or download one, chance the setting on it, make a plugin for that plugin called like an miroplugin...

FEichinger

@Braiam I don't disagree that they're different things. But the questions where these tags would apply do not need that difference.

Seth

We don't need to copy all the other SE sites on the network.

Braiam

@Seth I only am offering examples of good use that seems to be a problem of creating tags...

Andrew

@Seth I think Haiku has something like this for settings and divers.

FEichinger

23:33

And, yeh, can we please stop using other sites as reference for how we're supposed to work? Especially when the one thing we should take from other sites is better voting activity - and that ain't happening.

Seth

@Andrew I have no idea.

@Braiam "good" is extremely relative.

Andrew

@Seth on the Haiku part or what I am saying

Seth

rather both

Jeremy

Mateo

@hbdgaf interesting

Jeremy

23:34

Seth

@Braiam btw, the other discussion I was talking about seems to have been deleted.

Jeremy

(second image from unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98425/…)

(first from sparkle's blog)

Not definitely incriminating, but adds more suspicion

Seth

@RolandiXor --^

@Jeremy Extremely interesting...

Braiam

@Jeremy the mods are on it already... just flag the related post ;)

@Seth let me check the tools

Seth

He's just digging more evidence up.

@Braiam KK. iirc it was heavily downvoted and was posted by a user named "Dims" or something like that.

Braiam

23:38

@Seth about how much time?

Seth

@Braiam How much time?

Braiam

how much time since then?

there are 2k questions and 8k id's -_-

Seth

it was a while ago.

Late 2012?

Braiam

<--- felling stupid doing bruteforce against the links

this is funny meta.askubuntu.com/q/5599/169736

Seth

why is it funny?

Braiam

23:45

what the heck with all migrations...

@Seth err... we don't have the same sense of humor... so... nvm

Jeremy

sparklelimited.wordpress.com/author/namutkarsh <-- he considers himself an expert in computer science

Seth

@Braiam k

Braiam

helpful comment:

following this instruction did not successfully resolve the problem. — ddd 1 min ago

and he doesn't edit the question...

Seth

@Jeremy O_O that looks identical to sparkle's blog. cc: @RolandiXor

Jeremy

@Seth That is his blog

FEichinger

23:47

@Seth ... Read ... Read the URL ...

Journeyman Geek

lol

Seth

Huh. It didn't have a big banner with his name on it a couple of hours ago

bbl

Jeremy

@Seth I searched google for "sparklelimited utkarsh" and it seems that he deleted the link to himself as the author on his blog, but it still exists

pacificfils

yall are insane.

FEichinger

@Jeremy Well, he just removed all the references to the author name off the front page.

Thomas W.

23:50

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Q: Why netbeans is still in 7.0?

I wonder why NetBeans 7.0 is still in Software Center and is not replaced by 7.4? Netbeans 7.0.1 Released August 1, 2011

netbeans

that's a dupe of...

45

Q: Why don't the Ubuntu repositories have the latest versions of software?

Why are packages in the official Ubuntu repositories older than the latest (upstream) versions from Debian Sid, PPAs, the authors, etc.?

packages repository

Braiam

@ThomasW. no votes?

Thomas W.

AFAICT. airstrike accordingly.

@Braiam +1/-1

net 0

pacificfils

yep. yall are insane.

Braiam

err... no close votes***

Thomas W.

@Braiam it has a close vote from me AFAICT

FEichinger

23:52

Oh, yay, my mail is about to be flooded ...

Thomas W.

still shows as "close (1)" to me

pacificfils

okay. my cpu cant go above 0.80 ghz, the frequency monitor notification icon doesn't change anythinh.

can i fix this w/o reboot?

Braiam

@ThomasW. I haven't check the link :)

but ok... I believe you...

Jeremy

@Seth Aha! Google cache incriminates the culprit: webcache.googleusercontent.com/…

FEichinger

Are we done digging, then?

Flag against one of the user's posts, add the relevant information, wait for mods to handle.

Braiam

23:55

^ my point...

FEichinger

No need to dig up five instances of the same information.

Jeremy

Yes, done. That last link is a dead giveaway

pacificfils

Can someone tell me how to raise my CPUFREq from 0.8 GHz please??

FEichinger

@pacificfils How did you even manage to get it that low without hardware fault?

pacificfils

big cpu. 0.8 - 2.4 ghz

i'd LIKE it at 2.4, but it won't change.

so...

hbdgaf

23:56

@ThomasW. because packaging java apps is a pain...

pacificfils

how do i fix this in terminal?

Braiam

@Seth remember me tomorrow start from meta.askubuntu.com/posts/5547/revisions ;)

hbdgaf

@pacificfils hardware specific. some hardware won't let you set cpufreq directly. even on windows it doesn't work right. i know a guy that builds windows boxes. he was complaining that cpufreq is set by the mobo based on load, so you have to tax it for several minutes to get the fans to spin up and the performance bits to kick in.

pacificfils

this worked before i updated me kernel

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