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chaskes

00:00

@TheWanderer Do you mean ubuntu as it runs on your particular hardware?

TheWanderer

00:14

@chaskes particular hardware across multiple machines?

RobotHumans

@TheWanderer That's a really fair argument. The HCL for Ubuntu is sorely lacking, but I think that's a global linux problem inspecific to Ubuntu. I tried to start an AP mode wireless HCL question here once, but it got shut down.

chaskes

00:32

@TheWanderer why not? It's about chipsets and kernel support.

TheWanderer

well this one doesn't have power functions, my other one sometimes just doesn't boot (or NVIDIA crashes), my desktop likes to freeze randomly

Intel, Intel, AMD

RobotHumans

That's interesting. The only AMD crashes I ever got were kernel panics where my keyboard went all flashy locks LEDs, because the card was overheating, but I was using a notoriously hot card.

Like, dedicated 300W just to turn it on hot.

TheWanderer

that's hot Krieger

RobotHumans

Yeah, it's hot. They don't make them any more, but it was a thing of beauty. I wish I still had it.

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129141

My box wouldn't post until I tossed in a secondary power supply just for the video card.

TheWanderer

how many BTC did you get?

also, that's a lotta outputs

RobotHumans

00:47

I wasn't mining BTC. I was running 3 screens and using it for top end gaming in wine.

Not complaining about the overheating. I earned it.

Thomas Ward

01:26

facedesks from tiredness

other than my tiredness how's all of you :P

TheWanderer

ashamed

yuck yuck yuck

RobotHumans

That's too purpley for the purple club.

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer there's a solution for that. Device, meet Hammer. Hammer, meet Device.

RobotHumans

Insert dana carvey turtle club meme here

Also, why did facebook messenger get markdown backwards.

Thomas Ward

because it's Facebook?

@RobotHumans they take Word-like markdown. *foo* is foo, _bar_ is bar, and they don't like it when you combine.

it's stupid, I know.

RobotHumans

01:32

Ah. So, it's just not markdown like everyone else on god's green earth uses. Makes sense.

Thomas Ward

pretty much.

i wish they had used standard Markdown too

RobotHumans

Played with sanic or asyncpg at all? I know you maintain the nginx package, so I just thought I'ld ask. github.com/squeaky-pl/japronto also looks pretty amazing for single page apps as a stack with something that rewrites pages with a shadowdom or the actual dom.

The performance numbers are incredible. If he added multiprocessing and benchmarked it multicore, I think he'ld get an even larger following even though he's saying it's not production ready.

TheWanderer

I don't think SE uses standard markdown either

RobotHumans

SE is close afaict. It doesn't make me scream at my screen at all.

Using *this* to get itallics and **this** to get bold on SE and reddit then something else on facebook messenger is mildly irritating.

TheWanderer

_t_ and *t* are the same in SE

but not in anything else I've used

Slack, Skype, Discord, Reddit all bold using one and italicize with the other

SE needs you to double-up

RobotHumans

01:45

really? i thought reddit was the other way.

TheWanderer

my references aren't respective

RobotHumans

reddit is the other way. this is itallicized on ubuntu chrome. I just tested it.

TheWanderer

I just meant using either _ or * italicizes while either * or _ bolds

but on SE they're the same

RobotHumans

So you're saying what, that doubles bold and singles italicize like they should, but you don't like that the characters are synonymous?

Seems like a good idea to me anyway. As long as it's not a logic inversion.

Seth

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Q: Should I buy this (gently) used helmet?

My neighbor is moving cross country and selling all his bike stuff. His helmet's a white Bell, about 15 years old. It's a bit scuffed but generally in pretty good condition. The only thing that worries me is some of the styrofoam is cracking off, but it shouldn't be hard to glue or remove and stu...

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TheWanderer

01:51

I honestly don't care

Seth

do you even have to ask? o_O

TheWanderer

but SE doesn't use standard

@Seth idk which way you're reacting

"duh get it" or "don't get it you crazy maniac"

RobotHumans

@ThomasWard - Not trying to bother you, but I am earnestly interested in if you've tried out any of those frameworks. japronto looks pretty amazing, sanic and asyncpg also seem pretty great since they get the speed without cheating, which is where node falls down. It offloads DB queries in promises, but python 3.5 implemented promises to take it back.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth people ask all sort of shit

Seth

@TheWanderer the latter. 15 years old with styrofoam coming off? Either one is a huge red flag.

@TheWanderer That's the spec spec.commonmark.org/0.28/#emphasis-and-strong-emphasis

TheWanderer

01:54

so nothing else uses proper markdown?

weird

Seth

it is odd. I wonder if there is/was a competing spec that once existed? (still exists?)

TheWanderer

I mean, probably

RobotHumans

I think he nailed it with MS word markdown spec, which should just diaf since it's exactly the opposite of everything else.

TheWanderer

wat

RobotHumans

25 mins ago, by Thomas Ward

@RobotHumans they take Word-like markdown. *foo* is foo, _bar_ is bar, and they don't like it when you combine.

TheWanderer

01:58

oh

Word has markdown?

Seth

@RobotHumans oh so that's where it comes from eh?

RobotHumans

It is exactly inverted logic to the rest of the universe, so it should just die (in a metaphorical sense of course).

Seth

Why am I not surprised.

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans no u

Seth

@RobotHumans agree.

I wish standard markdown had strikethrough though.

RobotHumans

01:59

~~it doesn't~~ but people generally agree on how to do it

Seth

@RobotHumans Well, SE uses --- but GitHub markdown uses ~~~ iirc

RobotHumans

i haven't tried it on github. i don't think readmes should have strikethroughs in them.

TheWanderer

isn't the tilde method just one?

~?

Seth

@TheWanderer Looking at the spec it can be any number.

So yes

TheWanderer

jesus

why

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ is just as valid as ~?

Seth

02:01

worse. ~something~~~~~~~~~~ will work

TheWanderer

lol

RobotHumans

what would a strikethrough on a tilde be used for? or what would it even look like? it might be a good loch ness monster joke, but that's about it.

Seth

Like, I can't think of a reason for that.. Makes parsing easier I guess?

RobotHumans

also, bottom up parsing.

Seth

@RobotHumans Why not? I can think of fine uses for them. Also, a lot of other things use GFM markdown

RobotHumans

02:03

The only use I can think of for a strikethrough on a tilde is to say homeless.

Seth

One of us is confused. In GitHub markdown ~this~ turns into ~~this~~. Is that what you're talking about @RobotHumans?

I'm not really sure why SE uses dashes and not the tilde, which every other system seems to use for strikethrough (GitHub and Discord off the top of my head). Might be a legacy thing.

TheWanderer

dafuq are you talking about @RobotHumans

RobotHumans

I was trying to figure out what a strikethrough on a tilde would look like. And why would you use it.

Seth

ah

TheWanderer

are you sure you aren't just an IRL Krieger?

Seth

02:05

It's just markdown for <del>. Exactly the same as how ** is markdown for <strong>

TheWanderer

Kannst du mich verstehen?

Seth

(in GF markdown anyway)

@TheWanderer try to be nice..?

TheWanderer

@Seth iz yokes

have you watched Archer?

RobotHumans

No, I don't speak german. And yes, I do watch archer.

TheWanderer

talking to Seth

@RobotHumans then you can't be Krieger

IMPOSTER

RobotHumans

02:08

I really should learn german

TheWanderer

meh

most Germans seem to speak English anyway

RobotHumans

They do. French is mostly more useful to know. Then in ascending order, spanish and in 30 years chinese.

Seth

@TheWanderer ik

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans Chinese looks insanely hard to master

Seth

@TheWanderer It is. It is..

TheWanderer

02:10

especially since it isn't similar to any western languages

RobotHumans

Pineapple-bang.

Seth

@TheWanderer Sure, but that only makes it hard to learn for westerners

TheWanderer

@Seth which is a pretty big portion of the world, to be fair

even most "eastern" areas speak some Slavic language

Seth

@TheWanderer definitely true.

@TheWanderer err, what?

TheWanderer

Russia, all the Stans

RobotHumans

02:11

Stresses and inflection changing the word is a little weird, but it does explain asian accents in english.

TheWanderer

India even

Seth

@TheWanderer Asian languages are not Slavic at all.

TheWanderer

@Seth The Stans aren't Slavic?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

TheWanderer

Sanskrit isn't Slavic, but it's very related to Western langs

Journeyman Geek

02:12

they're either turkic or indic

RobotHumans

They leave out accent marks and require you to interpret vowels in written text.

Journeyman Geek

though quite a few use latin or cyrillic scripts for various reasons

Seth

@JourneymanGeek that

RobotHumans

Wh wld wnt t wrt tht w

Journeyman Geek

@TheWanderer @Seth the big oddness with chinese is there's less an alphabet of managable proportions than a bunch of pictograms

TheWanderer

02:13

@JourneymanGeek interesting...

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Right. That and the inflections.

TheWanderer

but Turkic still has similarities to Slavic and Sanskrit AFAIH

Journeyman Geek

so you need to memorise serveral thousand charecters

@Seth I consider that less unique cause there's certain sounds that even native tamil speakers have trouble with

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Fair enough. For a westerner it's very different.

TheWanderer

also, btw, Kazakhstan's secondary official language is Russian

Journeyman Geek

02:15

or how sanskrit has 5 variantes of ka/gha, and tamil has abooooot 2

but the fundamental laws of tamil grammar are "englishlike"

TheWanderer

Sanskrit is weird....

RobotHumans

Way to say about like a canadian

Seth

language is weird

Journeyman Geek

@TheWanderer its kinda like our equivilent of latin

very few understand it, and its primary role is as a language of litany

TheWanderer

didn't Sanskrit sort of give rise to Latin?

Journeyman Geek

02:16

and its VERY rarely the mother tongue for anyone

@TheWanderer personally I'd doubt it

TheWanderer

there are a lot of grammatical similarities IIRC

and word similarities

Journeyman Geek

I'd lean towards trade based cross pollination over some kinda babel-like common language

TheWanderer

Skrit for one

Journeyman Geek

(I mean the greeks had some trade with the indians, and even nearly invaded)

romans almost certainly got as far asl the deep south to trade

TheWanderer

my browser keeps freezing too...

RobotHumans

02:18

sed s/until/into/

Seth

Japanese script is really weird. They use 3 sets of characters. Katakana is used for transcribed foreign words. Hiragana for grammar and function words and then they use modified Han (Chinese) symbols for the bulk.

@TheWanderer that's actually very interesting.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth Also, modern tamil script was recent

TheWanderer

languages are fun

Journeyman Geek

We probably couldn't read the old pre-italian designed version lol

Seth

@JourneymanGeek A lot of Indian/South Asian scripts look incredibly hard to write

Journeyman Geek

02:21

@Seth well there's about 3 families

eh 4

TheWanderer

5

6

7

200000000

Journeyman Geek

the ones that use the "arabic" style script, classic sanskrit derivatives, the loopy ones, and us

TheWanderer

where did the Hindi script come from?

I forget if it's Sanskrit or not

Seth

hm, what's us look like @JourneymanGeek? Tamil looks loopy to me

TheWanderer

oh yep Hindi script is Sanskrit

Journeyman Geek

02:23

tamil isn't that loopy

look at telungu and malayalam

(also armenian script is pretty)

Seth

fair. I still cannot imagine writing either. But I suppose that's just because it's foreign to me.

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Journeyman Geek

well the trick with tamil is really

THERE'S LESS LETTERS THAN THERE ARE.

(since we have constanants, vowels, combinations of the two... and that one letter)

RobotHumans

Calligraphy is a valiant hobby. I would entertain it as a wall art sort of thing, but not as a daily writing style.

Journeyman Geek

THAT ONE LETTER

ALL ALONE. IN THE NIGHT!

Seth

02:26

wait wut @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

TheWanderer

loops

Seth

@RobotHumans I tried taking up calligraphy once. But then I realized I was left handed. It's a lot harder to do left handed. Most of the strokes assume you are writing from a right handed angle.

RobotHumans

I'm a lefty too

Journeyman Geek

The top row is vowels. the rightmost column is constanants. the one right in the top right corner is... "the weapon letter" lol

TheWanderer

02:27

@Seth you just have to get used to writing weirdly

Seth

@TheWanderer right. That was more than I asked for :P

Journeyman Geek

the ones in white below are our equivilent of romanji - its meant for words that are borrowed from sanscrit and are literally called "northern language letters"

TheWanderer

in any case, it's calligraphy so it's already weird

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Very interesting

@JourneymanGeek English is your second language right?

Journeyman Geek

@Seth I actually find english easier sometimes

TheWanderer

02:28

someone finds English easy?

hold up

Seth

haha, my first thought ^

Journeyman Geek

I'm probably native level in both verbally. I have trouble reading tamil fast due to lack of practice

RobotHumans

Seth

@JourneymanGeek I mean, your English here is impeccable. I was just wondering if you learned to write English and how you personally compared it to Tamil/other Indian scripts

RobotHumans

I just use google translate and gimp. It's easier than writing it down.

Seth

02:30

@RobotHumans It's been so long.. I should know what those two characters are, but I have forgotten.

RobotHumans

Ronin

Journeyman Geek

@Seth here's the big joke

I learnt to speak english from cartoons.

and had a cartoon american accent for a bit.

RobotHumans

that.is.awesome.

Seth

haha, that's great :D

Journeyman Geek

@Seth My spelling can be terrible at times. I relied on spellcheck a lot, and still have a few odd spelling quirks

Seth

02:32

@JourneymanGeek Most American's spelling is awful :P

My spelling is awful..

Journeyman Geek

@Seth Oh, I'm dyslexic

(Not that most people realise until i tell them)

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Oh that's right. I'm sure that makes spelling a lot trickier.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Its a matter of effort, and spellcheck ;)

I used something like writely called bullfighter all through highschool

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Do you use a special font then to help?

Journeyman Geek

which kiiiiinda is why I write meta posts the way I do, just with a bit less seriousness ;p

@Seth most fonts suck

I just use the source fonts from adobe

Seth

02:37

@JourneymanGeek ah

Journeyman Geek

I don't like the fat bottomed style

also for reading a lot I do light on dark

TheWanderer

03:23

tchaikovsky no

►

Seth

05:07

ANIME CRIMES DIVISION - Ep. 1 (ft. ProZD & Alex Wassabi)

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Videonauth

08:28

good morning

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dessert

morn'!

Videonauth

08:47

@dessert so youre a first poster now? --> askubuntu.com/review/first-posts/782682 :P

dessert

@Videonauth good to know ;)

Videonauth

The weirdes audit i ever had was it presenting me an answer which i wrote myself ;D just making the user an unkown user

@terdon, can you please lock this question for editing, the OP had defaced it and i now rolled it back, there is no need that all the effort of others goes to waste : askubuntu.com/q/982302/522934

terdon

@Videonauth No need to lock unless the OP undoes your edit. Locking means nobody can edit, it's sort of the nuclear option.

Videonauth

ok will watch the question then puts the tab aside

will leave a comment tho

Please don't deface your question only because you got upset with it or the reaction it caused. There are numerous people who invested time in this and your question is not only for you, but for future readers also. I now have rolled back your edit, to make this again the actual question which has been answered. — Videonauth 36 secs ago

terdon

09:03

@Videonauth I don't think they were upset. That seems a bit aggressive. They edited it to change the question into "thanks" so it looks like they're just confused about how the system works.

Videonauth

ok rewording it

terdon

But never mind.

Videonauth

Please don't deface your question only because you got confused or upset with it or ...

terdon

@RobotHumans Oh, hey man, sorry, I was asleep! Long time no chat, indeed!

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Zanna

11:31

@JourneymanGeek how do you mean?

Journeyman Geek

11:44

@Zanna subject predicate object basic sentances more or less

Stuff gets slightly less mangled in translation

Zanna

hmm doesn't that depend of the skill of the translator... like, understand what is being said in language A and create the most appropriate equivalent in language B? Or are you thinking of stuff like Google Translate? And what language are you comparing to that is more mangley?

Zanna

11:58

I ask because... I've been trying to study Tamil and I find it much harder than any of the other languages I've tried to learn, (except Mandarin, which I made very little effort with). It seems much harder for me than Portuguese, Farsi, French, German!

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Videonauth

12:38

LOL -- trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/35

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dessert

13:09

@Zanna Every single one of these languages is a Indo-European one except of course Mandarin, that may be a reason why you feel like that. After learning Ancient Greek which I just love I found Sanskrit to be as simple as beautiful.

Zanna

Yeah. I can understand more easily how the arrangement of the words creates meaning in those languages. But it's more excitingly mind-bending to learn a more different language.

Zanna

13:41

What do you find lovely about ancient Greek? How different is it from modern Greek? (I only know how to say "what time does the boat leave?")

dessert

@Zanna It has just so many ways to express things and such a beatiful syntax. I like the genitivus absolutus and absolute constructions in general, and I like the imperfect/aorist/perfect system. It's perfect in every sense. ;)

Zanna

Haha unlike the "perfect" tenses in English, which confuse the heck out of all my students...

dessert

@Zanna However, you need to know that I'm studying comparative linguistics. I see beauty where others moan. :D

RobotHumans

lexographer badge awarded to everyone in chat in the last 12 hours.

Zanna

Lol

dessert

13:52

@RobotHumans s/lexo/lexico/?

Byte Commander

@RobotHumans :P except for the one misspelling lexicographer

RobotHumans

sure. except me. we don't need no stinkin badges

Zanna

@dessert well, I get excited about how languages work too, but I'm constantly apologising for the annoying things about English

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TheWanderer

14:36

@NathanOsman took you guys long enough xda-developers.com/…

RobotHumans

I only buy used "unlocked by default" cellphones.

Thomas Ward

15:00

@RobotHumans details on 'frameworks'?

I'm not sure which ones you're referring to.

Videonauth

I wonder if people are reading answers actually ....

---> askubuntu.com/q/983055/522934

dessert

for i in *; do
  mv "$i" "$(stat -c%Y "$i")".${i##*.}
done

does anybody know how I can do this with (p)rename?

cl-netbox

Hello :)

dessert

stat -c%Y is the modification date, in case you wonder.

@cl-netbox hi :)

cl-netbox

@dessert Hi and good afternoon ! :)

terdon

15:10

@dessert rename -n "s/.*\./$(stat -c%Y $i)\." foo.bar

cl-netbox

Hi terdon :)

terdon

Although your for loop (if you change mv "$i" to mv -- "$i") should be more robust and just as good.

hi cl

dessert

@terdon You mean inside the for loop? I meant without it…

Ah, you're right, always forget about --

terdon

@dessert Ah, duh, of course.

You'd have to use perl's stat calls, I think. Just use the loop.

dessert

OK, thanks. :)

terdon

15:14

@dessert Ah no, hang on, you can use $_:

rename -n "s/.*\./$(stat -c%Y "$_")\./" *

Videonauth

@cl-netbox good evening

cl-netbox

@Videonauth Hello my friend :) evening ? it is 16.15 here :D

dessert

@terdon Ah, now that's something! And combined with parallel might be better than the loop.

Videonauth

@cl-netbox whatever :P its getting dark, that evening for me

cl-netbox

@Videonauth true ... feels like dark night :D

terdon

15:17

@dessert Here's the pure Perl approach:

rename -n '@t=stat($_);s/.*\./"$t[9]."/e' *

The 9th field of the stat array is the modification time.

The e enables evaluation of perl commands inside the substitution operator.

dessert

@terdon Perfect, thank you very much! I really gotta learn perl, but python's up next.

Videonauth

python is a nice language

Thomas Ward

yes, it is.

Videonauth

@dessert If i where you i would not bother with python 2.7 except looking on what has changed, star off with python 3.5 - 3.6

cl-netbox

@ThomasWard no evil and darkness today ? :D Hi Thomas ! :)

Thomas Ward

15:29

@cl-netbox ALWAYS is there Evil and Darkness.

it's just being suppressed by TIRED for now

cl-netbox

@ThomasWard aaahhh ... good to know ! :D

Videonauth

All hail TIRED :P

dessert

@Videonauth That's exactly what I planned to do. :)

Thomas Ward

builds a salt wall around @Videonauth

dessert

Btw, if I see print(content) in the code then it's python 3, isn't it?

cl-netbox

15:31

@ThomasWard sends a big mug of coffee over the ocean to wake you up ! :D Still tired ? :D

Thomas Ward

@dessert not necessarily

Videonauth

@dessert yep and the nicest nowadays are f-strings

Thomas Ward

@dessert because print("Foo") is valid syntax in Python 2 as well

however, with Py2 death in 2020 Py3 is where things should be targeted.

Videonauth

python3 -c "print(f'1 + 1 is {1 + 1}')"

dessert

@ThomasWard Ah, they just used a single codebase for both python 2.7 and python 3: docs.python.org/3/howto/pyporting.html That makes it easy.

cl-netbox

15:33

@dessert when you see print (ice cream) it is python 4 ! :D

dessert

@Videonauth SyntaxError: invalid syntax

Videonauth

 $ python3 -c "print(f'1 + 1 is {1 + 1}')"
1 + 1 is 2

weird for me it works :)

python.org/dev/peps/pep-0498

dessert

$ python3 -V
Python 3.5.2
$ python3 -c "print(f'1 + 1 is {1 + 1}')"
File "<string>", line 1
print(f'1 + 1 is {1 + 1}')
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

Thomas Ward

3.5 is weird

Videonauth

$ python3 -V
Python 3.6.3

cl-netbox

15:37

$ python3 -c "print(f'1 + 1 is {1 + 1}')"
1 + 1 is 2
$ python3 -V
Python 3.6.3

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Q: Why is Python 3.6 not available via official Ubuntu repositories?

Maybe this is the wrong forum for this question, in which case I apologise, but why isn't Python 3.6 in the official repositories for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS? According to this answer it seems like Python 3.6 is in the repos for 16.10 and onward, although it's buggy. Is it because it's buggy and 16.04 ...

16.04 apt repository lts python3

Videonauth

@dessert you can do python3 -c "print('1 +1 is {}'.format(1 +1))"

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Q: What with Python 3.6?

Can anyone tell why Python 3.6 is not available in Zesty? Whenever I try to update it, the latest is 3.5.3. Is there any problem with 3.6, or they are waiting for 3.7?

17.04 python3

Heck, I even answered tis one. oO

Videonauth

I personally like the new format strings

they make things much tidier

dessert

@Videonauth That works, but now I wonder how to install 3.6 ;)

Videonauth

15:40

you're on 16.04?

dessert

yep

Thomas Ward

@dessert python virtualenv

cl-netbox

Do it this way ->
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jonathonf/python-3.6
sudo apt update
sudo apt install python3.6

Thomas Ward

might clobber things :p

Videonauth

yep or you do version pinning for the rest of the system, and add the zesty repos to the source.list too, then you can install with sudo apt install python 3.6 -t zesty

cl-netbox

15:43

@ThomasWard yes ... might ... but if he desperately wants to have it, he can give it a try - right ? :D

Thomas Ward

well if he wants a broken package manager and stuff then yes, the proper way is python virtualenvs.

cl-netbox

@ThomasWard I think the best is to stick with the default version provided by the standard repos. :)

Thomas Ward

it is. This is why I have virtualenvs if I need a customized version of Python newer than what's on the system, because it installs without affecting the system ;)

dessert

@ThomasWard And virtualenv allows a later version? Great!

It's bionic time when I'll use it productively anyway! :)

Thomas Ward

@dessert It does. That said, the PPA that netbox referred to seems to do a side-by-side installation and doesn't clobber things.

Videonauth

15:49

as far i can tell bionic comes along nicely, have had it run in a VM earlier today

Thomas Ward

just go back and update your python3 symlink with update-alternatives to point back to Python 3.5.

cl-netbox

@Videonauth because that is still nothing else than artful ;P

Videonauth

i should update my answer i gave lately

@cl-netbox nope its actually already version wise in kernel etc ahead of artful

just updated today

cl-netbox

@Videonauth the main stuff still is 17.10 :)

@ThomasWard That's what I assumed :)

Thomas Ward

@cl-netbox They'll have to fix their update-alternatives though to set python3 to be python3.5 though I think

so... meh

cl-netbox

15:55

@ThomasWard anyway, I always recommend to stick with the standard versions ... if one wants newer stuff, simply install a more modern distro in a VM. :)

Videonauth

@cl-netbox in fact it wont change much anyways tho

cl-netbox

@Videonauth I think the bigger changes will come in Jan or Feb next year. :)

Videonauth

yep jan 4th is alpha1

wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule

feature definition freeze was 30th nov

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