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chaskes

12:00 AM

@TheWanderer Do you mean ubuntu as it runs on your particular hardware?

TheWanderer

12:14 AM

@chaskes particular hardware across multiple machines?

RobotHumans

@TheWanderer That's a really fair argument. The HCL for Ubuntu is sorely lacking, but I think that's a global linux problem inspecific to Ubuntu. I tried to start an AP mode wireless HCL question here once, but it got shut down.

chaskes

12:32 AM

@TheWanderer why not? It's about chipsets and kernel support.

TheWanderer

well this one doesn't have power functions, my other one sometimes just doesn't boot (or NVIDIA crashes), my desktop likes to freeze randomly

Intel, Intel, AMD

RobotHumans

That's interesting. The only AMD crashes I ever got were kernel panics where my keyboard went all flashy locks LEDs, because the card was overheating, but I was using a notoriously hot card.

Like, dedicated 300W just to turn it on hot.

TheWanderer

that's hot Krieger

RobotHumans

Yeah, it's hot. They don't make them any more, but it was a thing of beauty. I wish I still had it.

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129141

My box wouldn't post until I tossed in a secondary power supply just for the video card.

TheWanderer

how many BTC did you get?

also, that's a lotta outputs

RobotHumans

12:47 AM

I wasn't mining BTC. I was running 3 screens and using it for top end gaming in wine.

Not complaining about the overheating. I earned it.

Thomas Ward

1:26 AM

facedesks from tiredness

other than my tiredness how's all of you :P

TheWanderer

ashamed

yuck yuck yuck

RobotHumans

That's too purpley for the purple club.

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer there's a solution for that. Device, meet Hammer. Hammer, meet Device.

RobotHumans

Insert dana carvey turtle club meme here

Also, why did facebook messenger get markdown backwards.

Thomas Ward

because it's Facebook?

@RobotHumans they take Word-like markdown. *foo* is foo, _bar_ is bar, and they don't like it when you combine.

it's stupid, I know.

RobotHumans

1:32 AM

Ah. So, it's just not markdown like everyone else on god's green earth uses. Makes sense.

Thomas Ward

pretty much.

i wish they had used standard Markdown too

RobotHumans

Played with sanic or asyncpg at all? I know you maintain the nginx package, so I just thought I'ld ask. github.com/squeaky-pl/japronto also looks pretty amazing for single page apps as a stack with something that rewrites pages with a shadowdom or the actual dom.

The performance numbers are incredible. If he added multiprocessing and benchmarked it multicore, I think he'ld get an even larger following even though he's saying it's not production ready.

TheWanderer

I don't think SE uses standard markdown either

RobotHumans

SE is close afaict. It doesn't make me scream at my screen at all.

Using *this* to get itallics and **this** to get bold on SE and reddit then something else on facebook messenger is mildly irritating.

TheWanderer

_t_ and *t* are the same in SE

but not in anything else I've used

Slack, Skype, Discord, Reddit all bold using one and italicize with the other

SE needs you to double-up

RobotHumans

1:45 AM

really? i thought reddit was the other way.

TheWanderer

my references aren't respective

RobotHumans

reddit is the other way. this is itallicized on ubuntu chrome. I just tested it.

TheWanderer

I just meant using either _ or * italicizes while either * or _ bolds

but on SE they're the same

RobotHumans

So you're saying what, that doubles bold and singles italicize like they should, but you don't like that the characters are synonymous?

Seems like a good idea to me anyway. As long as it's not a logic inversion.

Seth

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TheWanderer

1:51 AM

I honestly don't care

Seth

do you even have to ask? o_O

TheWanderer

but SE doesn't use standard

@Seth idk which way you're reacting

"duh get it" or "don't get it you crazy maniac"

RobotHumans

@ThomasWard - Not trying to bother you, but I am earnestly interested in if you've tried out any of those frameworks. japronto looks pretty amazing, sanic and asyncpg also seem pretty great since they get the speed without cheating, which is where node falls down. It offloads DB queries in promises, but python 3.5 implemented promises to take it back.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth people ask all sort of shit

Seth

@TheWanderer the latter. 15 years old with styrofoam coming off? Either one is a huge red flag.

@TheWanderer That's the spec spec.commonmark.org/0.28/#emphasis-and-strong-emphasis

TheWanderer

1:54 AM

so nothing else uses proper markdown?

weird

Seth

it is odd. I wonder if there is/was a competing spec that once existed? (still exists?)

TheWanderer

I mean, probably

RobotHumans

I think he nailed it with MS word markdown spec, which should just diaf since it's exactly the opposite of everything else.

TheWanderer

wat

RobotHumans

25 mins ago, by Thomas Ward

@RobotHumans they take Word-like markdown. *foo* is foo, _bar_ is bar, and they don't like it when you combine.

TheWanderer

1:58 AM

oh

Word has markdown?

Seth

@RobotHumans oh so that's where it comes from eh?

RobotHumans

It is exactly inverted logic to the rest of the universe, so it should just die (in a metaphorical sense of course).

Seth

Why am I not surprised.

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans no u

Seth

@RobotHumans agree.

I wish standard markdown had strikethrough though.

RobotHumans

1:59 AM

~~it doesn't~~ but people generally agree on how to do it

Seth

@RobotHumans Well, SE uses --- but GitHub markdown uses ~~~ iirc

RobotHumans

i haven't tried it on github. i don't think readmes should have strikethroughs in them.

TheWanderer

isn't the tilde method just one?

~?

Seth

@TheWanderer Looking at the spec it can be any number.

So yes

TheWanderer

jesus

why

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ is just as valid as ~?

Seth

2:01 AM

worse. ~something~~~~~~~~~~ will work

TheWanderer

lol

RobotHumans

what would a strikethrough on a tilde be used for? or what would it even look like? it might be a good loch ness monster joke, but that's about it.

Seth

Like, I can't think of a reason for that.. Makes parsing easier I guess?

RobotHumans

also, bottom up parsing.

Seth

@RobotHumans Why not? I can think of fine uses for them. Also, a lot of other things use GFM markdown

RobotHumans

2:03 AM

The only use I can think of for a strikethrough on a tilde is to say homeless.

Seth

One of us is confused. In GitHub markdown ~this~ turns into ~~this~~. Is that what you're talking about @RobotHumans?

I'm not really sure why SE uses dashes and not the tilde, which every other system seems to use for strikethrough (GitHub and Discord off the top of my head). Might be a legacy thing.

TheWanderer

dafuq are you talking about @RobotHumans

RobotHumans

I was trying to figure out what a strikethrough on a tilde would look like. And why would you use it.

Seth

ah

TheWanderer

are you sure you aren't just an IRL Krieger?

Seth

2:05 AM

It's just markdown for <del>. Exactly the same as how ** is markdown for <strong>

TheWanderer

Kannst du mich verstehen?

Seth

(in GF markdown anyway)

@TheWanderer try to be nice..?

TheWanderer

@Seth iz yokes

have you watched Archer?

RobotHumans

No, I don't speak german. And yes, I do watch archer.

TheWanderer

talking to Seth

@RobotHumans then you can't be Krieger

IMPOSTER

RobotHumans

2:08 AM

I really should learn german

TheWanderer

meh

most Germans seem to speak English anyway

RobotHumans

They do. French is mostly more useful to know. Then in ascending order, spanish and in 30 years chinese.

Seth

@TheWanderer ik

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans Chinese looks insanely hard to master

Seth

@TheWanderer It is. It is..

TheWanderer

2:10 AM

especially since it isn't similar to any western languages

RobotHumans

Pineapple-bang.

Seth

@TheWanderer Sure, but that only makes it hard to learn for westerners

TheWanderer

@Seth which is a pretty big portion of the world, to be fair

even most "eastern" areas speak some Slavic language

Seth

@TheWanderer definitely true.

@TheWanderer err, what?

TheWanderer

Russia, all the Stans

RobotHumans

2:11 AM

Stresses and inflection changing the word is a little weird, but it does explain asian accents in english.

TheWanderer

India even

Seth

@TheWanderer Asian languages are not Slavic at all.

TheWanderer

@Seth The Stans aren't Slavic?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

TheWanderer

Sanskrit isn't Slavic, but it's very related to Western langs

Journeyman Geek

2:12 AM

they're either turkic or indic

RobotHumans

They leave out accent marks and require you to interpret vowels in written text.

Journeyman Geek

though quite a few use latin or cyrillic scripts for various reasons

Seth

@JourneymanGeek that

RobotHumans

Wh wld wnt t wrt tht w

Journeyman Geek

@TheWanderer @Seth the big oddness with chinese is there's less an alphabet of managable proportions than a bunch of pictograms

TheWanderer

2:13 AM

@JourneymanGeek interesting...

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Right. That and the inflections.

TheWanderer

but Turkic still has similarities to Slavic and Sanskrit AFAIH

Journeyman Geek

so you need to memorise serveral thousand charecters

@Seth I consider that less unique cause there's certain sounds that even native tamil speakers have trouble with

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Fair enough. For a westerner it's very different.

TheWanderer

also, btw, Kazakhstan's secondary official language is Russian

Journeyman Geek

2:15 AM

or how sanskrit has 5 variantes of ka/gha, and tamil has abooooot 2

but the fundamental laws of tamil grammar are "englishlike"

TheWanderer

Sanskrit is weird....

RobotHumans

Way to say about like a canadian

Seth

language is weird

Journeyman Geek

@TheWanderer its kinda like our equivilent of latin

very few understand it, and its primary role is as a language of litany

TheWanderer

didn't Sanskrit sort of give rise to Latin?

Journeyman Geek

2:16 AM

and its VERY rarely the mother tongue for anyone

@TheWanderer personally I'd doubt it

TheWanderer

there are a lot of grammatical similarities IIRC

and word similarities

Journeyman Geek

I'd lean towards trade based cross pollination over some kinda babel-like common language

TheWanderer

Skrit for one

Journeyman Geek

(I mean the greeks had some trade with the indians, and even nearly invaded)

romans almost certainly got as far asl the deep south to trade

TheWanderer

my browser keeps freezing too...

RobotHumans

2:18 AM

sed s/until/into/

Seth

Japanese script is really weird. They use 3 sets of characters. Katakana is used for transcribed foreign words. Hiragana for grammar and function words and then they use modified Han (Chinese) symbols for the bulk.

@TheWanderer that's actually very interesting.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth Also, modern tamil script was recent

TheWanderer

languages are fun

Journeyman Geek

We probably couldn't read the old pre-italian designed version lol

Seth

@JourneymanGeek A lot of Indian/South Asian scripts look incredibly hard to write

Journeyman Geek

2:21 AM

@Seth well there's about 3 families

eh 4

TheWanderer

5

6

7

200000000

Journeyman Geek

the ones that use the "arabic" style script, classic sanskrit derivatives, the loopy ones, and us

TheWanderer

where did the Hindi script come from?

I forget if it's Sanskrit or not

Seth

hm, what's us look like @JourneymanGeek? Tamil looks loopy to me

TheWanderer

oh yep Hindi script is Sanskrit

Journeyman Geek

2:23 AM

tamil isn't that loopy

look at telungu and malayalam

(also armenian script is pretty)

Seth

fair. I still cannot imagine writing either. But I suppose that's just because it's foreign to me.

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Journeyman Geek

well the trick with tamil is really

THERE'S LESS LETTERS THAN THERE ARE.

(since we have constanants, vowels, combinations of the two... and that one letter)

RobotHumans

Calligraphy is a valiant hobby. I would entertain it as a wall art sort of thing, but not as a daily writing style.

Journeyman Geek

THAT ONE LETTER

ALL ALONE. IN THE NIGHT!

Seth

2:26 AM

wait wut @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

TheWanderer

loops

Seth

@RobotHumans I tried taking up calligraphy once. But then I realized I was left handed. It's a lot harder to do left handed. Most of the strokes assume you are writing from a right handed angle.

RobotHumans

I'm a lefty too

Journeyman Geek

The top row is vowels. the rightmost column is constanants. the one right in the top right corner is... "the weapon letter" lol

TheWanderer

2:27 AM

@Seth you just have to get used to writing weirdly

Seth

@TheWanderer right. That was more than I asked for :P

Journeyman Geek

the ones in white below are our equivilent of romanji - its meant for words that are borrowed from sanscrit and are literally called "northern language letters"

TheWanderer

in any case, it's calligraphy so it's already weird

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Very interesting

@JourneymanGeek English is your second language right?

Journeyman Geek

@Seth I actually find english easier sometimes

TheWanderer

2:28 AM

someone finds English easy?

hold up

Seth

haha, my first thought ^

Journeyman Geek

I'm probably native level in both verbally. I have trouble reading tamil fast due to lack of practice

RobotHumans

Seth

@JourneymanGeek I mean, your English here is impeccable. I was just wondering if you learned to write English and how you personally compared it to Tamil/other Indian scripts

RobotHumans

I just use google translate and gimp. It's easier than writing it down.

Seth

2:30 AM

@RobotHumans It's been so long.. I should know what those two characters are, but I have forgotten.

RobotHumans

Ronin

Journeyman Geek

@Seth here's the big joke

I learnt to speak english from cartoons.

and had a cartoon american accent for a bit.

RobotHumans

that.is.awesome.

Seth

haha, that's great :D

Journeyman Geek

@Seth My spelling can be terrible at times. I relied on spellcheck a lot, and still have a few odd spelling quirks

Seth

2:32 AM

@JourneymanGeek Most American's spelling is awful :P

My spelling is awful..

Journeyman Geek

@Seth Oh, I'm dyslexic

(Not that most people realise until i tell them)

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Oh that's right. I'm sure that makes spelling a lot trickier.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Its a matter of effort, and spellcheck ;)

I used something like writely called bullfighter all through highschool

Seth

@JourneymanGeek Do you use a special font then to help?

Journeyman Geek

which kiiiiinda is why I write meta posts the way I do, just with a bit less seriousness ;p

@Seth most fonts suck

I just use the source fonts from adobe

Seth

2:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek ah

Journeyman Geek

I don't like the fat bottomed style

also for reading a lot I do light on dark

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