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Zanna

7:00 AM

hi @Anwar :D how are you? I don't know the answer to that though...

Anwar

hi :) I'm fine.. Thanks for asking

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Error Update package ubuntu server

Hello i have this error when launch apt-get update command on my ubuntu server : how can i solve this? W: Impossibile scaricare alcuni file di indice: saranno ignorati o verranno usati quelli vecchi. W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/com...

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 teal would look nice :P

Windows 3.1

gah

@NathanOsman pls update now

:)

Nathan Osman

There.

Windows 3.1

7:03 AM

is that teal?

gah it cropped it

GRRRRR

andrew.46

I remember windows 3.11 for Workgroups.....

3.1?

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman try it one more time :)

Nathan Osman

There.

Windows 3.1

@andrew.46 I had that on a VM. my current machine has 3.1, but I could upgrade to 3.11. 3.11 for worgroups is exactly the same except that it supports networking

thanks!

look better

edwinksl

@Zanna eh, github.com/LionSec/katoolin is not 100% consistent with calling it Kali linux either. Kali Linux looks way better and is how it is officially written

Zanna

7:12 AM

@edwinksl thanks :)

Anwar

Why is everyone trying to install kali tools these days?

edwinksl

everyone wants to be a h3x0r

Anwar

and what h3x0r means?

edwinksl

that will be left as an exercise to the reader

Anwar

ok. but I wanted to know the answer seriously. why is everyone doing that?

edwinksl

7:15 AM

no idea to be honest

Anwar

@edwinksl thanks :)

i expect even those users aren't sure why they're doing that

Zanna

this ^

edwinksl

??? github.com/LionSec/katoolin/issues/38

Zanna

smh

edwinksl

7:33 AM

""If you are unfamiliar with Linux generally, if you do not have at least a basic level of competence in administering a system, if you are looking for a Linux distribution to use as a learning tool to get to know your way around Linux, or if you want a distro that you can use as a general purpose desktop installation, Kali Linux is probably not what you are looking for." Kali FAQ."

lol, that's from kali's subreddit

Anwar

That's really a good intro

edwinksl

i would include knowing how to install kali as part of "basic level of competence in administering a system"

Zanna

Dupe? askubuntu.com/questions/828117/…

Anwar

People these days follow trend so blindly...

@Zanna yes. I think so.

edwinksl

looks like OP only untarred the tarball and did nothing else?

Zanna

7:38 AM

there's nothing else to do, the oracle java tarball contains executables, nothing to compile

(they're not giving us the sources!)

but it's still in Downloads, that's why it doesn't work

Thanks @Anwar for finding dupe :)

Anwar

it was an easy find :)

edwinksl

@Zanna yeah but OP still needs to mv them ;)

or i guess provide full path or cd to ~/Downloads

Zanna

better to extract in place, idk how many files there are but multi-file mv is a pain, needs loop

I would never add ~/Downloads to my PATH haha

edwinksl

~/bin would be a nice place

Zanna

yeah you're right on all counts

Anwar

7:48 AM

tsk

they want to login as root

Zanna

hmmm do you think they are logging in as root when it gets applied system wide?

edwinksl

@Zanna pretty sure it should be supplicant :p

Zanna

I think we should edit the tags of that question hehehehehehe

@edwinksl I didn't check, I didn't know that thing was a thing, please edit if incorrect

I only know wpa_supplicant

Anwar

@Zanna They said they failed. and I don't think they can log in as root graphically

Zanna

it's impossible?

There was another question about that...

I don't see why not with display manager...

edwinksl

7:54 AM

@Zanna i just found this wiki heh wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager/ReasonCodes

Zanna

can we nuke this somehow? askubuntu.com/questions/828122/…

Anwar

i'm thinking about that same q

Zanna

@edwinksl I'm clearly not paying attention today...

edwinksl

:P need more caffeine

Zanna

@Anwar you don't use root's password for sudo -i, you just use your sudo password

Anwar

8:02 AM

I tried to mean that ..

andrew.46

@Zanna Conventions between distros are odd: I use slackware -current as my base and have never used sudo there. Different audience I guess

And hi :)

Zanna

In Arch I installed sudo because I'm used to it, I feel it gives more control on a multi user system

&& hi :)

edwinksl

who else disables root password by default

besides ubuntu

Zanna

I think it's only Ubuntu and spawn

spawn as in offspring of Ubuntu like Mint

andrew.46

spawn is a linux distro?

Zanna

8:04 AM

or maybe I'm wrong about Mint, I use sudo on mint

afaik there's no password for root, but it's not my system

I'm just tech support for that one...

Ah good, the Q has CVs

I could answer it, but I think it's junk...

edwinksl

i am stil not sure what the question is asking :/

@Zanna who knows, if you do write one, you might end up getting that elusive reversal badge

Zanna

8:24 AM

I understand the question clearly, and now I'm writing an answer to it, but I think I'd rather it got nuked :S

conflicting impulses!

I understand but I voted unclear lol

something is not right... maybe i need another day off!

edwinksl

typical human tsk tsk. i for one welcome our AI overlords

Zanna

lol

terdon

@Zanna No, you're right. Mint is a (relatively slightly) modified Ubuntu so it also doesn't have an active root account by default. It didn't a few years ago when I was using it anyway. LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition, a wonderful distro) is different since it's based on Debian directly

Zanna

thanks @terdon :)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Permission denied

i am using find command to locate some folder from server through ssh, that server is using ubuntu . when i run command i get error with a lot of directories "permission denied" . and my server admin saying that you have root access. but how can i check ? when i run sudo command i get -bash su...

linux debian ubuntu

andrew.46

8:44 AM

@Zanna Perhaps another day off? It should be autumn over in your part of the world and quite beautiful

Better than answering strange questions about root and sudo :)

Zanna

@andrew.46 it is Autumn today, but it's been extremely hot in September for the most part, and the leaves have not even turned, let alone begun to fall

Knowing there is good sugar to be made, they have stayed up and stayed green :)

andrew.46

When you say extremely hot this is not an English 'hot' is it?

Zanna

oh English hot

but 28 degrees, quite warm by world standards I think...

To me it's perfection :)

andrew.46

Remembering that the Canadians laugh at the English cold while the Australians laugh at the English heat...

Zanna

indeed

we are blessed by that sweet wind from the Caribbean bringing us warmth and water :)

Arronical

8:48 AM

Good morning||afternoon||evening.

Zanna

At our latitude I believe there are polar bears elsewhere, and we are growing roses

morning @Arronical :) how you doing?

andrew.46

Evening @Arronical

Edity

screw you microsoft

Arronical

@Zanna Good thanks, especially as I get to play scripts today.

@andrew.46 Hi! Where abouts are you, if you don't mind me asking?

andrew.46

@Arronical Blue Mountains in Australia

Zanna

8:51 AM

@Arronical oh yes? what are you up to? Last night i feel asleep happily tinkering with some bash function in my mind

@andrew.46 has to be amazing...

andrew.46

Been here for 30 years now

Beautiful place...

Arronical

@andrew.46 Sounds like you live somewhere aesthetically pleasing

andrew.46

Well, there are the bush fires each summer...

edwinksl

australia does have some pretty nasty animals :p

Arronical

@Zanna Helper script to clean up files over a certain age, but keep a minimum amount, and another to dump a postgres database, then rsync the dump files to a remote machine.

Zanna

8:53 AM

oh sounds like fun :D

andrew.46

@edwinksl Crocodiles?

Arronical

@Zanna Real database replication is too hard! What was your potential function?

andrew.46

Up north

edwinksl

@andrew.46 i was thinking of snakes

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Network configuration in Centos LXC on Ubuntu host

I'm trying to configure network of a Centos 6.8 LXC on Ubuntu host and to assign multiple IPs to it. Here is the content of eth files ifcfg-eth0 DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=none IPADDR=185.99.79.221 NETMASK=255.255.255.255 GATEWAY=139.56.26.254 IPV6INIT=yes IPV6_AUTOCONF=no IPV6ADDR=260...

ubuntu centos ip lxc

Zanna

8:54 AM

@Arronical oh I forget what it was, but I was still enjoying it :)

andrew.46

@edwinksl You know I am 55 years old and I have seen about 5 snakes in the wild in all of that time? And in each case the snake took off...

edwinksl

@andrew.46 kangeroos and koala bears are awesome though

andrew.46

@edwinksl Quite dangerous though are the drop bears: australianmuseum.net.au/drop-bear

Tourists beware...

edwinksl

There are some suggested folk remedies that are said to act as a repellent to Drop Bears, these include having forks in the hair or Vegemite or toothpaste spread behind the ears. There is no evidence to suggest that any such repellents work.

Zanna

@andrew.46 snakes are so shy, here I have never seen one in the wild, and my mother has seen only one

edwinksl

8:57 AM

vegemite... i loled

Arronical

@Zanna I'm getting more and more keen for sticking things into functions, they're great if you can control their input.

andrew.46

@edwinksl I have worn Vegemite behind my ears for many years and have never been attacked by a drop bear

Arronical

@andrew.46 Proof that it works!

andrew.46

Exactly :)

Zanna

@Arronical Yeah I need to learn to do more stuff :) :)

andrew.46

8:59 AM

Oh well, night all.........

Zanna

goodnight :)

I thought wubi is deprecated? askubuntu.com/review/first-posts/620400

Arronical

@andrew.46 G'night

edwinksl

@andrew.46 some say vegemite is extremely disgusting, so i guess drop bears agree with that :p

but thanks for the heads-up about drop bears. i never saw one while i was in australia a long time ago :p

user136984

9:32 AM

Final Beta (2) will hopefully be released either tonight or on Friday morning! Yay! :D

user136984

Aww... And why did someone downvote this? :(

Zanna

have an upvote... cool question, but maybe ask on SF SE

user136984

@Zanna: SF?

Zanna

sci-fi...

user136984

@Zanna: Well, this is not a fictional question but rather a factual one, and I think that they are reserved for only non-factual ones.

user136984

9:35 AM

This things actually exists and works.

user136984

SF is for made stuff.

user136984

I don't think they'd be much help with instructing me to build a hover craft.

Zanna

oh... sorry i misunderstood ^_^

user136984

It's fine. :)

Zanna

let me see if I can understand though, I am a physics teacher, maybe I can work it out!

argh can't be bothered to watch video though

user136984

9:38 AM

It's quite short.

user136984

Well, the last 5 minutes is anyway. :P

terdon

@ParanoidPanda Building the hovercraft is trivial. The hard bit is finding enough eels.

user136984

@Zanna: And it's probably more like 2 minutes because the end isn't all about that one thing.

user136984

You should take a look at it, it's quite cool. The link should get you to the relevant part with nothing irrelevant there.

user136984

Anyway, I think that someone commented with an explanation at the end of a Wiki link, would be nice though if someone could convert that into an answer.

user136984

9:40 AM

@terdon: Eels? :D

Zanna

but if "no one knows how it works" and it has anything to do with flow mechanics I'll have no idea how to explain it anyway

that is some complicated stuff

terdon

@ParanoidPanda try rewriting the question with no mention of "UFOs". Instead, use the Wikipedia page about the Ionocraft instead. Make it clear that you're not asking about imaginary things but a real phenomenon.

Also, eels:

My hovercraft is full of eels

►

user136984

@terdon: Well, I'm specifically asking about what I saw in the UFO video, but in fact that documentary's name is quite misleading, it's not about that sort of UFO... I will see what I can do though...

user136984

But that video is really all I've got in terms of actually showing one, the Wiki page doesn't actually show one in action...

user136984

Ah, oh dear, I see the question has been closed as off-topic! :D

user136984

9:42 AM

Why?!

user136984

It's perfectly real!

user136984

This is precisely the reason I hate science and all scientists! Anything which doesn't match current theory! Even if there is perfectly fine evidence for it, they reject it!

terdon

@ParanoidPanda No we don't, don't be silly.

edwinksl

@ParanoidPanda umm, no

user136984

@terdon: Well that question is proof of it, it's been rejected as "non-mainstream".

terdon

9:47 AM

However, if you ask a question that basically states "How does this thing I saw in a documentary about UFOs work" don't be surprised if you're not taken very seriously on a forum for professional physicists.

@ParanoidPanda Given how you phrased it, I'm not very surprised. At first glance, it certainly sounds like a crackpot theory. Just rewrite it without mentioning UFOs.

user136984

@terdon: But how? The evidence is at the end of this documentary! I don't where else it get it from without clipping the rest of the documentary out and pirating the contents!

user136984

I would really like to actually show one in action.

Zanna

Just say "in this documentary"?

terdon

Pretty much by definition, anything that has perfectly fine evidence is accepted. If it goes against the current theory, that theory is rejected. In fact, science is the only area of human endeavor that is constantly updating itself each time new evidence comes to light.

user136984

Because at least for me, the Wiki doesn't really go very specific.

user136984

9:49 AM

@Zanna: The documentary on YouTube is called "UFOs: The Secret Evidence", so it doesn't really help its case...

terdon

@ParanoidPanda What Zanna said. Just say "I saw this in a documentar". Or, even better, use the Wikipedia page and forget the documentary or only mention it in passing as an example of a working craft.

user136984

It's not actually about aliens doing anything so the name they gave it was stupid.

user136984

@terdon: But if I link them to the documentary they are going to see it's about UFOs, aren't they?

user136984

Do you think they will watch it if I just send them there without telling them it's got anything to do with UFOs?

terdon

@ParanoidPanda So? Why do you need to mention the title of the video? Explain what you've learned about the process, show your research, and maybe include the video as an afterthought.

user136984

9:51 AM

Well, I couldn't do much research at the time because I had no idea how to find any information on the device, and I'm still not a physicist.

terdon

@ParanoidPanda Have you read the wikipedia link that ByteCommander gave you?

user136984

@terdon: Sort of, I didn't really understand a word of it though.

terdon

Well, that's what you want to ask about then. Remember that Physics.se is not a site for laymen, it's directed at professional physicists.

user136984

Ok, but that's not a description of me, I just want to know how it works so that I can build one.

user136984

I would at least like to know the general principles of it.

edwinksl

9:56 AM

@ParanoidPanda the wikipedia article seems to already do that anyway

user136984

@edwinksl: Well, then can't someone just answer with that then?

terdon

@ParanoidPanda If a question can be answered by a Wikipedia page, it really doesn't belong on a science site.

user136984

@terdon: Well I didn't know that at the time.

user136984

Anyway, does the question look better now?

user136984

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Q: How does the "Lifter" device work?

A while ago I watched a documentary which at the end (don't let the name mislead you, I'm asking about a perfectly real phenomenon) shows an experiment which its inventor calls a "Lifter". The device, when a current is passed through it, hovers quite a distance above the ground. He says that nob...

forces experimental-physics

terdon

10:00 AM

@ParanoidPanda Read the wikipedia page. Include what you understand and ask about the specific things you don't.

Rinzwind

@zanna is the enough dupes?

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Q: How to Find the CUP Usage on Past System Reboots

We have deployed an application on an Ubuntu machine and from time to time, these machines get rebooted automatically. Can some one help me finding the reason for this? I believe auto reboots are due to High CPU usage and need a statics to verify correctly. Application - POS System DB - CouchDB...

12.04 cpu reboot

Zanna

@Rinzwind heh thanks! I didn't really read that post, I just improved a suggested edit

I'm rubbish at finding dupes anyway :S

Rinzwind

and a comment

question is rubbish

@Zanna want to hear how I do it?

this was my search at google.nl:
site:askubuntu.com find reason for reboot

the "site:" thingy makes it search that site only >:)

Zanna

thanks for the tip ^_^

Rinzwind

:)

seems a higly underrated feature of searchengines :-P

Zanna

10:14 AM

indeed!

Rinzwind

and it is far far far far better than the native searches I see on websites

edwinksl

@Rinzwind i also do the same thing to find dupes :p

sometimes site:askbuntu.com isn't even needed because AU ranks highly when it comes to SEO

Rinzwind

the native search we have does have some cool tricks though
Like searching on a user, on tag, and on state of the q.
But what I want is dupes. and that it hardly can help me with :P

Zanna

yaboot is a typo right? they just mean boot parameters here I think? Not some mystery I am unaware of? because order of boot params is not important afaik... askubuntu.com/a/327182/527764

edwinksl

@Zanna your question is ranked 2nd

Rinzwind

10:18 AM

spammy username: askubuntu.com/questions/828180/…

Zanna

hehe I was so excited by the response to that question!

Rinzwind

@Zanna nope

yaboot is mac bootloader

Zanna

@Rinzwind awesome! thanks for explaining!

I have no truck with apple...

Rinzwind

I CVd the last link I posted :)

Zanna

also voted

David Foerster

10:26 AM

askubuntu.com/revisions/827974/7 :-D

Zanna

lol

edwinksl

@DavidFoerster heh. you are going to remove it though right?

Zanna

^

That distracted me, I was in the middle of doing something that required unbroken attention... now I have no idea what it was...

edwinksl

@Zanna you were making chai latte

Zanna

oh if only!

David Foerster

10:31 AM

@edwinksl Of course. I rolled it back and added a comment with a link to that revision.

edwinksl

@DavidFoerster ha ok. i understand it is frustrating when people don't say what they try...

Takkat

It is in fact a dupe to: askubuntu.com/questions/764166/…

edwinksl

@Takkat woah nice. i guess we can dupe it once the question gets reopened

David Foerster

Since the question is re-opened we can now VTC as dupe.

Rinzwind

@DavidFoerster more LOL

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Q: How do I hide Windows drive in 14.04

I want to hide Windows Drive in Ubuntu in Terminal and GUI, so that Root cannot access to modify Windows Disk (/dev/sda1/).

14.04 security drive

edwinksl

10:34 AM

i guess i can't because i was one of the 5 original close-voters

Takkat

@DavidFoerster great :)

Zanna

I can't vote, because I voted to close it before... that's annoying

Takkat

Premature voting? It often happens to me...

At least we can now retract spam flags.

Zanna

@Takkat it was unclear until picture was added, I voted to reopen, but now I can't vote to close again, seems buggy

Takkat

It may be a means to avoid close/reopen/close/reopen wars.

Rinzwind

10:44 AM

@Takkat what's wrong with those? :P

it keeps 2 people busy from doing other nasty things. so win-win >:)

Takkat

lol

edwinksl

@Rinzwind lol that's an interesting take on it

Takkat

@Zanna I made another edit... can you vote now?

edwinksl

@Zanna same, i can't dupe it

@Takkat i still can't

Takkat

I feared it would be like that.

At least it should now be in the queue.

Byte Commander

11:38 AM

This thing has 3 votes to migrate to meta, but I don't think it belongs there: askubuntu.com/questions/827434/…

It is not about Ask Ubuntu.

David Foerster

@ByteCommander I agree. It's about Ubuntu itself and its ecosystem.

terdon

@ByteCommander Not sure. I think he's asking for an AU IRC community in which case, meta might indeed be the right place.

Zanna

I voted to leave that question open, I think it's valid and about Ubuntu

terdon

He's basically looking for this room, if so

Byte Commander

And again we have two completely opposite opinions about it. Sigh!

terdon

11:42 AM

@ByteCommander The title is what makes me think he's asking about AU:

> Is there an IRC channel for this Ubuntu community [. . . ]

David Foerster

@terdon Maybe we should ask OP to clarify.

terdon

Yep

Byte Commander

That can be intended or just a language artefact...

Damn Brasero!

Why you fail!?

terdon

@ByteCommander Yeah, the body of the question does seem different.

David Foerster

What should we do about answers that suggest the execution of dubious (Windows) binaries? askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/620442

Byte Commander

11:45 AM

VTDed.

Anyone good with Brasero?

David Foerster

@ByteCommander Haven't used in a long time, but it's a relatively simple application, so shoot.

Byte Commander

Well, it fails.

This is the end of the log file:

BraseroCdrdao called brasero_job_get_action
BraseroCdrdao stderr: 08:22:00
BraseroCdrdao called brasero_job_get_action
BraseroCdrdao stderr: 08:23:00
BraseroCdrdao called brasero_job_get_action
BraseroCdrdao stderr: [valid=0] Info fld=0, Current
BraseroCdrdao called brasero_job_get_action
BraseroCdrdao stderr: SCSI command failed: sense key: 0x05: Illegal Request
BraseroCdrdao called brasero_job_get_action
BraseroCdrdao stderr: Additional sense indicates: Invalid field in parameter list
BraseroCdrdao called brasero_job_get_action

terdon

@DavidFoerster Well, I just downloaded it and the md5sum matches the one from github.com/hakuna-m/wubiuefi/releases/tag/1604r301

Byte Commander

But dropbox download links? No. I am sure we don't want that here.

terdon

Whether or not that is trustworthy is anyone's guess of course. Still, "I found a tool that does this on github, try it out" seems like a reasonable answer.

David Foerster

11:49 AM

@terdon I'll replace the download with the official link then.

terdon

@ByteCommander What difference does that make if it's serving the same file as the one on github? And there's absolutely no reason to trust github either.

It's just some random program written by a random person on the internet. Dropbox or github, it makes no difference: you run it at your own risk.

But sure, we can make it point to github instead. If only to avoid linkrot and get updates

Byte Commander

If it is the same file, okay. But still, GitHub would at least be the official project repo, I think?

Well, undoing DV and DelV then...

Oh, I can't undo delete votes?

:-/

David Foerster

@terdon There's much more accountability if it's from a well acclaimed repository as compared to a random Dropbox link.

terdon

@ByteCommander Yes, but if the project is malicious, having the official repo wouldn't make any difference. ithub is a free service and anyone can host their project there. It is no more safe than random dropbox links.

@DavidFoerster Yes, but it isn't. It seems to be some random coder's tool. And it's probably fine, mind you, it's just no more secure than dropbox.

We're just used to trusting github stuff.

Byte Commander

There's still a difference, dropbox is more anonymous and less in the public.

terdon

11:53 AM

@ByteCommander Why? All you need for github is an email address. Like "sillynamedpersonwhohidestheiridentity@gmail.com"

Byte Commander

I mean, GitHub is also anonymous in the meaning that you can use a nickname, but it's easier to tell what a GitHub project is about than a random binary in a dropbox. And you have the sources there.

Okay, you're right that GitHub should not be trusted as much as we like to do, it still feels better than dropbox.

David Foerster

@terdon The repository has 41 stars with many active accounts among the star gazers. That makes it a loss unlikely that the repository is used maliciously.

terdon

@ByteCommander Yes, fair point.

And don't get me wrong, I'd also trust github over dropbox, I'm just pointing out that being on github isn't a guarantee of quality.

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Q: Does this one-rep answer to a one-rep question seem odd to anyone?

This question doesn't ask about a worm or malware infection outside the title, seems to be hardly a question at all. It's from a one-rep user (still, six weeks after it was posted). Today, it has a new "only" answer from another one-rep user, and the answer appears to be a cut-and-paste. It lo...

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Byte Commander

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Q: Brasero fails to read the CD-R I want to copy

I want to copy a data CD-R that does not contain any copy protection mechanisms using Brasero on Ubuntu 16.04. After starting the process, it begins to read the disk, but fails half way through. Below is the content of the generated error log (repeating lines shortened): Checking session consis...

cd burning brasero

terdon

12:03 PM

   BraseroCdrdao asked to stop because of an error
    error       = 0
    message = "no message"

Wow. That is an impressively useless error message!

Byte Commander

shrug

I try now whether it can copy the CD if I select to make an image on my HDD instead of write to a CD afterwards.

Nope.

Exactly same error.

Welp, guess I have to use Windows then to copy a simple CD...

Apropos... We have a user called @Windows3.1 in here?

Oh, that's James Tobin...

Zanna

that avi hurts my eyes haha

Byte Commander

3.1 wasn't even a real OS.

terdon

@ByteCommander ?

Byte Commander

It's actually just a GUI frontend for DOS, isn't it?

terdon

12:08 PM

@ByteCommander Um. And what would you call Unity then? :P

3.11 was actually quite good. The only Windows version I can honestly say I enjoyed using. Stable, fast and pretty decent, really.

But yes, AFAIK all the older Windows versions ran on dos. Just like X, really.

Byte Commander

Did I ever say Unity is an OS?

And Win 3 could not really do anything, so it's just natural that it was fast.

David Foerster

@ByteCommander A better analogy would be X.org+Unity as OS.

terdon

@ByteCommander No, but Windows 3.11 is just like a Linux system running X. The OS is everything, including DOS. Just like when you talk about your Linux desktop, you're including both the command line and graphical shells.

@ByteCommander What do you mean? It could do everything OSs could do at the time.

Byte Commander

@terdon Hmm... I must admit you have a point there.

terdon

it could even play CDs! I remember being incredibly impressed by that :)

Byte Commander

12:11 PM

Sigh, I should better shut up. Not good at discussing today ;)

Maybe it's just that I grew up with a Win 3.11 box in the first years of the 21st century...

That said, I liked Windows 98.

Oh, and the 3.11 box in my basement has Arnie Schwarzenegger's famous "Hasta la vista, baby!" as shutdown sound :D

Just remembering...

David Foerster

@ByteCommander Win98 was great for its time if you take into account that home (inter-)networking was just starting to be a thing when it was developed.

Byte Commander

Yeah, probably it was. And it wasn't as locked down as later versions, especially the post-XP releases are an admin's hell IMHO.

Oh well, then let's install k3b and its hundreds of KDE libraries... Hope it will work.

David Foerster

I have a GNOME desktop and generally prefer GTK applications because they are leaner compared to KDE stuff, but the latter has some very good applications. Okular and K3b being the most notorious for me.

They're well worth the extra 300 MB or so of KDE dependencies.

Byte Commander

praying to the Linuses and Marks of this world

Takkat

@ByteCommander xfburn has not so many dependencies.

Byte Commander

12:29 PM

Its ratings are awful though.

And k3b is already installed by now.

How to pronounce that by the way?

kay-three-bee? keb?

David Foerster

i think so

Takkat

for me xfburn is stable and does the job... but of course kay three bee is the Mercedes amongst the burners.

David Foerster

or kay-three-burn if you want to be more clear about its purposes. that's what the "b" stands for anyway.

Takkat

<-- had doubled his weekly updates load after k3b KDE dependencies

David Foerster

@Takkat Yeah. It immediately reminded me of Nero Burning ROM – and not the "express" version.

Byte Commander

12:33 PM

Kay-three-burn sounds nice. And it makes it less likely to mix it up with k3d

Oh, I had an old Nero too.

Nero 6, I think. The full media suite.

David Foerster

K3b even does a nice amount of disk authoring and audio/video transcoding with the help of FFmpeg or Mencode (I don't remember).

Byte Commander

Oh, I just found out that the CD I want to copy has two sessions.

Maybe that's what crashed Brasero.

Takkat

Last time I tried to copy a video DVD was 3 months ago... it would stop after an hour of random access... I think the DVD is broken. Sad, because it is a video of my daughter performing a musical in school.

Byte Commander

Some raw DVD-Rs you buy just are bad.

I once had a 10 disc box from a discounter and about 8 or so were rubbish.

Takkat

I bet it was burned on a Windows machine :/

Byte Commander

12:38 PM

Using Win XP and Nero Burning ROM 6, which I consider pretty reliable.

Oh oh... Looks like k3b also fails?

David Foerster

@Takkat There are some nice recovery tools for that. Even ddrescue low-level stuff should do the trick. The DVD video format degrades gracefully in case of intermittently corrupted sectors (that are replaced with zeros in the recovered disk image).

Byte Commander

But it already started burning, so likely my new CD-R is trash now :(

Takkat

@DavidFoerster aaaah - good idea... will try tonight.

Byte Commander

Oh damnit. I copy this friggin multisession CD on Windows.

David Foerster

@Takkat Physical remedies can help a great deal too, e. g. cleaning the DVD with mild soap water and a fuzz-free piece of cloth and cleaning the DVD player lens with these special cleaning disks that have a little brush on them.

@ByteCommander dd and growiso shouldn't even care about disk layout.

Takkat

12:43 PM

@DavidFoerster yeah - thank you. The DVD was untouched before, but may player could indeed need some cleaning (after all those years)...

David Foerster

@Takkat Some DVD player firmwares allow for a recalibration through appropriate user-space software.

Takkat

I'll try with ddrescue first, then comes other means. I almost never need that drive nowadays.

Byte Commander

12:59 PM

Extracting the sessions as separate isos now...

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