Ask Ubuntu General Room

1:00 AM

i'll be afk in a bit anyways

heading home soon.

Eiter way, yeah. VLANs are your friend here, and i can find a whole host of other things you should be doing.

The double line needs a compatible switch on both ends. So that's two. Then, that switch, coming from one corner of the shop, has to run to another switch (since it would be stupid to run 4 or 5 cables the distance instead of one) which goes to a WAP in the shop (so four, sorry), a desktop in the shop, and then to the other area of the shop.

The other area of the shop needs a rather large switch for: the server, the shopcam, the CNC controller, and some other devices I can't remember

We have a lot of isolated areas with only one line to them, so at least one switch is needed per room

Kaz Wolfe

... how big is this shop?!

And for God's sake... Run multiple wires!

Zacharee1

The same area as the house, except one story instead of 2+basement+attic

@KazWolfe multiple wires makes no sense though. One wire to each room and then a switch for that is much more organized

Kaz Wolfe

It's better than 40 switches everywhere

but then again, you're talking to an enterprise network engineer, so...

No... it is not.

That is way too much overhead.

Zacharee1

These things aren't downloading movies in their off-time

and it's not like they're all copying files all the time

we do need to rewire it, but running multiple cables just doesn't work in this building

we had enough trouble getting a cable into my room

Kaz Wolfe

1:04 AM

eh, well, like i said. $40/hr and i'll fix all of this crap, including running wires

Zacharee1

We'd be down 160000

:p

Kaz Wolfe

i'm okay with that.

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 are you going to pay for kaz's flight too

Kaz Wolfe

plus, i do work in smart ways lol

edwinksl

AU meetup hype

Zacharee1

1:05 AM

I'm not @KazWolfe

Kaz Wolfe

you already have one wire going to each room. Get a Cat6 bundle and tie to one end. Pull through.

Zacharee1

So then the line that runs up to my room goes to a switch in my closet because that's where the line is. From that switch, the WAP goes one way to the corner of my room by the hall door. The other way goes to the switch on my desk, which runs my laptop and the HALLOWEEN computer

Kaz Wolfe

your network is... no.

this just makes me so sad. It's a waste of network :(

Zacharee1

The line that runs to my dad's room has to go to a switch. There's just no way to avoid that. He has a work laptop, a server, another computer, two printers, a laptop he uses wired, and other temp machines

The office has a printer, two computers, a WAP, the lines to the shop, the line to my room, the line to my dad's room, the line to the livingroom

Kaz Wolfe

why... do you need so many computers.

Zacharee1

1:08 AM

the livingroom has my server

Kaz Wolfe

your network just makes me really sad hearing about it.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe we didn't buy them. Most of them were leftovers from my old school and my dad's job

Kaz Wolfe

protip: virtualization

or blade servers

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe like I said, we do need to rewire and organize it. It's just that, for the most part, extra wiring doesn't work

@KazWolfe we don't have very powerful computers. My dad makes a good amount per year, but maintaining the house takes most of it (no, not the network aspect). DSL+Cable is expensive, electric (electric heating in the shop) for two buildings

Kaz Wolfe

but do bring in a network expert.

or just have me do remote consulting for reconf.

Zacharee1

1:10 AM

Yes, remote consult, where we have no cell reception and we're about to take down our network :p

Kaz Wolfe

because there's a lot you can do to optimize what you have.

Zacharee1

That I know and I've said about three times, but rewiring is out of the question for the most part

Kaz Wolfe

even with your 400 switches, there's still some room for optimization.

like vlans, for god's sake

Zacharee1

But isolation won't work!

This isn't different departments of a corporation

Kaz Wolfe

it's not for isolation. It's for organization and to get them off your main network

Zacharee1

1:12 AM

But why? The whole thing is our main network

Kaz Wolfe

When you do vlans in this case, you're just going to assign the management IP of switches to the management VLAN.

All your devices will still be on a single subnet (though I would put your workshop on its own).

yes, you can have subnets access each other no problem.

Zacharee1

I know that

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 for your meta post about reviewing, i already cast CVs as much as i can, so i don't really to join :p

i will just keep doing my own thing

Zacharee1

@edwinksl noo, we need you to come help in a group

edwinksl

why would that matter

Zacharee1

1:18 AM

Because then we can close them quicker

Sorry

dunno how else to make rooms

edwinksl

we could also use chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/206/ubuntu-regulators instead

a lot of work has been done to reduce number of unanswered questions there

Zacharee1

hmm

good idea

edwinksl

so it is kinda related to what you have in mind

Zacharee1

How do I stay joined in a room?

edwinksl

i just leave the tab on, lol

is there a better way? i don't know

Zacharee1

1:21 AM

idk

some people have huge lists of currently joined rooms

I can't imagine they're all open in tabs

@edwinksl -_-

edwinksl

@Zacharee1 ask someone like journeymangeek lol

he is in tens of rooms, so he must have figured it out

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek hao du ^^^

@edwinksl you're not a very good bot..

edwinksl

yeah seriously

insert_name_here

pretty sure you stay in the room even if you close the tab

edwinksl

but you know what, google does occasionally think i am a damn bot and wants me to do captcha

Zacharee1

1:23 AM

@insert_name_here not forever

@edwinksl lolzers

Well I tried favoriting the room

maybe that'll let me stay

edwinksl

@insert_name_here but i think you get logged out of the room after some period of inactivity

James Tobin

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Q: Improve Xubuntu Panel for grey background

I have made a .png file with the background color of windows 98 taskbar and have set it as the background for xfce's panel. However the text on the menu and the time as well as the bluetooth, wifi, and volume icons are white, and the panel's gray is too close to white, therefore the colors do no...

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Journeyman Geek

1:47 AM

@Zacharee1 I just stay in the room. :p

edwinksl

1 more CV needed to close askubuntu.com/questions/562369/alsa-and-mednafen-no-sound

@JourneymanGeek can you get to 3k on AU already :p

James Tobin

I updated that question with image

forgot to upload the image before

Journeyman Geek

:p

Kaz Wolfe

hey @JourneymanGeek what do you think about moving to the US for a position?

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe depends on the position and the company

Kaz Wolfe

2:02 AM

meh pay, startup

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Q: Replace preinstalled Win10 with Ubuntu without activating licence

I'm buying a new PC, and would like to change Windows with Ubuntu, planning to later get a refund of the licence key (€60 or so). I'm new to this UEFI issue, and wondering how I'll be able to disable it without going through Windows (thus activating the licence and voiding any claim of refund). A...

uefi

er...

Journeyman Geek

I might consider. Meh pay is an issue if I need to move.

Kaz Wolfe

isn't the license baked in to the machine and unremovable.

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek wat???

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 home system is on when I am at work.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe yes. If you wanna buy a computer, you can't return the product key, even if it wasn't in the BIOS ROM

@JourneymanGeek still

Kaz Wolfe

2:05 AM

yeah, i was about to say... i don't think this guy is getting a refund.

Journeyman Geek

I have backups and data syncs running then. I also have a low power Linux box if I needed persistent connections

@KazWolfe actually people have done that.

Kaz Wolfe

will post answer.

wat.

how?! They don't return a key, and they can reuse it whenever.

Journeyman Geek

Should close. Legal not Ubuntu issue

@KazWolfe Eu law iirc

Kaz Wolfe

k brb posting US answer.

Journeyman Geek

pain in the butt to do tho

wiki.fsfe.org/Activities/WindowsTaxRefund

@KazWolfe ^

Kaz Wolfe

2:09 AM

This refund seems unenforcable.

Because it comes from the factory pre-activated.

So the license is already used, even if you actually never agreed to the EULA. Plus, there's no way to prove that you're not just going to put Windows back on...

Journeyman Geek

Personally if I didn't want windows, I'd find a system without it.....

@KazWolfe this is why it's a legal question....

Kaz Wolfe

I still don't really think you can in the US...

When I got my computer, I never agreed to any EULA explicitly.

> **Note:** This answer does not necessarily reflect EU laws, but it is valid to US laws to the best of my knowledge. I am not a lawyer, and this is not replacement for actual legal counsel for this issue.

The short answer is, you can't.

If you bought this computer new and it didn't come with an actual product key, the key itself came bundled with the computer and the computer's BIOS. As there's no way to remove this key, you technically can't return anything, and there really isn't a way to invalidate this OEM key, as computers come from the factory pre-activated with the license already…

okay answer?

Mateo

oh, this might be intresting

I forgot about the time change...

Hope I can take a day off of work then...

@Seth got an email back about the user testing ^^

IanC

2:31 AM

man, why did I start compiling a kernel, now I want to sleep and I don't have a clue how long will it take to finish

edwinksl

great question...

Serg

@Zacharee1 even Linus switched to kde when Gnome 3 came out, then said that Gnome 3 can be usable with a few extensions. What I'm trying to say here is , ewww imho,but it can be usable

but still, i prefer Unity

IanC

whats up @Serg?

Mateo

@IanC I had a mini computer once, had it recompile the kernel - it had to take a few days to complete ;)

IanC

@Mateo damn, and I complaining about 4 hours compilation haha

I'm just fearing it might not work like last time

talking of the devil, compilation just ended :O

Mateo

2:42 AM

so, depending on the computer, just go to sleep with it on and plugged in

:)

IanC

I'll leave the modules compilation for tomorrow, thats another 4 hours haha

Serg

@IanC not much, very tired

i didn't sleep last night and had exam today

Mateo

it was a VIA cpu 1ghz with 1gig ram, so that gives you an idea

Seth

@Mateo oh yeah? What'd they say?!

also, have I ever mentioned how much I HATE Windows?

Mateo

survey for available times...

Seth

2:44 AM

@Mateo sweet

Mateo

so, either I can't do it - or need to take a day off / swap days off

IanC

@Mateo I guess compiling a kernel is the only task that requires a bit effort on my CPU, havent played a single game in a while

@Serg exams week? that's something I don't miss much on college

Seth

well I'm rebooting for the 5th time.. brb

Mateo

the time coverts where it would be 3 - 10:30 in the morning for the range on slots, so I get up around 4 for work, then get off after 2pm

Serg

@IanC not really exams week, just our professor rushes into exams too fast IMHO.

Mateo

2:48 AM

Ill tell you tomorrow if they let me swap days @Seth

Serg

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice about your icon grid question. look up some of JacobVlijms scripts, he has one or two for organizing desktop icons

i could write one too, but I probably won't due to time constraints

IanC

3:06 AM

ok, I take out what I said that compilation was over.. :/

"Building modules, stage 2"

fuuu

I didn't even type make modules, something is weird

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James Tobin

how can that have -6 votes and only 4 views?

Nathan Osman

3:33 AM

Experiment is underway...

James Tobin

wb @Nathan awesome man

Nathan Osman

:)

I've got a 16-bit TIFF of a 6-image stack of shots of the night sky.

James Tobin

:D

Nathan Osman

I guess I need Gimp 2.9 to work with the file.

2.8 is limited to 8-bit images.

James Tobin

well post it once you get it working :D

Nathan Osman

3:37 AM

I'll do that.

James Tobin

@NathanOsman didnt even know 2.9 existed. Did it fix the annoying problem where I cant use it after I add text without exporting then opening export?

Nathan Osman

I have no idea.

We'll find out how it works shortly... :D

James Tobin

like every time I crop on any gimp 2.8 install it wont let me work or copy the stuff then without exporting then opening export. It's really crazy

Nathan Osman

I've never heard of that.

James Tobin

@NathanOsman do you know a way to make that not happen when adding text?

@NathanOsman you never experienced it?????? it happens for me both on gimp 4 win and gimp 4 linux

@NathanOsman how often do you use the "add text" feature?

Nathan Osman

3:40 AM

All the time.

Never seen anything like that.

James Tobin

wierd...

@NathanOsman

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Q: windows logo key optomization xubuntu

How do I make the XFCE whisker menu launch with the Windows logo key in xubuntu like other operating systems?

Unpacking Gimp...

oooo that's new!!!!!

Interesting...

@NathanOsman looks like u and I are both using xubuntu

Nathan Osman

3:45 AM

That's my VM.

James Tobin

oh

Nathan Osman

That's an interesting theme... :P

James Tobin

yeah :D

@NathanOsman xfce-look.org/content/show.php/…

Nathan Osman

Saving image...

And there you go.

I have no idea what it is. I think the glow is from light leaking into the exposure.

James Tobin

wow neat :D

your camera catches a lot there

how many mp?

Nathan Osman

3:50 AM

18, IIRC.

James Tobin

-_-

Nathan Osman

That's a downscaled version of the original.

James Tobin

I use 21 :D

just got one with 24 mp

bad zoom on that one though

I need to get mini card for it

Nathan Osman

I avoid zoom lenses.

Too much aberration.

James Tobin

well I am going to go have a snack :)

Seth

3:52 AM

finally got everything in Windows working.

have I mentioned how much I hate windows?

Nathan Osman

Welcome to the club.

Ooh. New Sublime build.

Seth

Ooh. Speaking. I have a little money now. I should consider buying a license.

James Tobin

4:08 AM

@NathanOsman back :)

Kaz Wolfe

why the hell is No Man's Sky still $60

edwinksl

that game is ded

10 dollars is a more accurate price point

Kaz Wolfe

basically...

RobotHumans

we tried to implement new features and leave out the stuff we didn't like in elite... but uh. we suck at this, so buy our game -- NMS team ;P

FD i was on a rager earlier about the ED team intentionally stalling people.

Kaz Wolfe

hell, it's still $50 on G2A for God's sake

RobotHumans

4:20 AM

you'ld have to pay me to play it.

Kaz Wolfe

Personally, I think NMS would be fun for $10 or so... And of course, just staying in one or two star systems

i'd like some building mods, but i don't think that can happen

RobotHumans

button mash star explorer? sure. i'm for a new star fox

dark side planetary approach hold 1

Kaz Wolfe

so.. evil idea.

1. Buy a lot of Circles
2. Flash with adware and spyware infested firmware
3. Sell for $49
4. Tarnish Disney's name

RobotHumans

and i made the landing despite some... mishaps

yes, we should totally sell nms as star fox 2

James Tobin

@NathanOsman pinged you in your room

Kaz Wolfe

4:32 AM

yay owls squaking in our trees.

@RobotHumans that would tarnish star fox's name

RobotHumans

i could not agree more

Kaz Wolfe

i wonder how moddable NMS actually is.

If it can be messed with, there's a decent change that the really bad things can be fixed

RobotHumans

why would i want to write mods for something broken?

Kaz Wolfe

because people do it for bethesda

RobotHumans

nice answer, but not the point

Kaz Wolfe

4:38 AM

because potential?

it does have some, at least.

RobotHumans

probably the best mod i saw for morrowind et al was running it on cryengine

Kaz Wolfe

that actually exists?

i know there's a project to port Morrowind to the Skyrim engine...

RobotHumans

hold 1

sorry it was oblivion youtube.com/watch?v=YwmAIfL_yoo

here's a better one youtube.com/watch?v=hgw9DlIK8DY

Kaz Wolfe

i want a 1080 so bad... see how nice i can make skyrim look

i know there are extreme-HD overhauls with impressive ENBs and whatnot.

RobotHumans

the massive high res doesn't impress me really. i like gameplay more than resolution

Kaz Wolfe

4:44 AM

yeah but if you have both...

RobotHumans

yeah, i can appreciate the cryengine "my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" moment

Kaz Wolfe

i mean, you have skyrim gameplay and hyper-graphics... that's an amazing combination

RobotHumans

yeah, but then you have to have 2k to play it

Kaz Wolfe

well if you have that much money and resources, you should use it

RobotHumans

fair i guess

Kaz Wolfe

4:47 AM

but the proper stuff, at least CPU and graphics, are probably actually relatively cheap...

at least now, provided the game is 2011.

RobotHumans

keyword there is relative

Kaz Wolfe

eh.

you can probably get a 980Ti for $500 plus a decent processor for $400?

RobotHumans

and some people make $10/day so relative

Kaz Wolfe

fair.

RobotHumans

that's not saying i don't want a saitek x52 and a flightmaster offhand to play ED, but it's not something a game should require

Kaz Wolfe

4:57 AM

@RobotHumans woah.

RobotHumans

so you see the parallel

Kaz Wolfe

that thing looks nice

RobotHumans

a hotas X and a flightmaster would suffice for my purposes, but the point remains. gear to play

Kaz Wolfe

well if you can splurge on the really good gear...

RobotHumans

then it's pay to win, and not worth playing

Kaz Wolfe

5:00 AM

eh. mechanical keyboards aren't pay2win over regular keyboards

unless we restrict all online players to the FPS of the lowest player, with the bandwidth of the lowest player, banning anyone with better equipment than the lowest player.

RobotHumans

i just think there's a diff between bandwidth and requiring a 6 months of income video card or six months of income flight rig.

bandwidth is one thing. you dual purpose that in to movies or whatever. a massive video card or a flight rig are relatively single purpose

Kaz Wolfe

eh, i have use of a massive video card...

lots of compute tasks

RobotHumans

i used that as an excuse once. that card is sitting in my dad's basement hostage of growing up

Kaz Wolfe

well provided i'm renting a compute instance with a gpu right now...

RobotHumans

along with suits and a firearm, but basically anything of value was a hostage. so, i don't do that. it's not even a consideration

Kaz Wolfe

5:07 AM

fair enough...

still, i should buy a local high-power gpu. compute servers are expensive lol

RobotHumans

i'ld rather have an rpi compute farm.

objective opinion instead of using games as an excuse for hardware. the petaflops per dollar are about the same, and it is honestly a better idea

Kaz Wolfe

actually that would be an interesting benchmark...

try cracking on a GPU and a pi cluster

RobotHumans

petaflops per dollar are the same. you lose on the pi b/c the opencl layer thing isn't there and you have to write it all by hand

when they reach feature parity, the pi will shut down video cards

not to mention, it's multipurpose

Kaz Wolfe

true

like graphics cards :D

RobotHumans

>.> not really, but i take your point.

Kaz Wolfe

5:16 AM

well when you're renting compute server time for graphics-card based applications....

RobotHumans

in that case, it's a lot more fair. we were talking games as a multipurpose excuse though

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, well... eh.

one purpose is gaming, the second is replacing compute server work

RobotHumans

never again for me, but you're welcome to use that logic

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, pis are more purposeful but meh

Nathan Osman

I'm tempted to (for my next desktop build) get a server and stick two Titans in there.

Two Xeon CPUs... 32 GB of RAM each...

That ought to be enough.

RobotHumans

5:22 AM

if i won the lottery maybe, but i don't see spending money on it

Nathan Osman

Comes back to reality.

3

Kaz Wolfe

where do you even find multi-cpu motherboards?

RobotHumans

supermicro has used ones all over teh place

Nathan Osman

newegg.ca/Server-Motherboards/SubCategory/ID-302

@KazWolfe ---^

Kaz Wolfe

i've only seen them for servers, but that doesn't fare well for gaming usually

Nathan Osman

5:22 AM

AFK.

RobotHumans

@NathanOsman XD

Lucifer- Official S1 Main Title Theme Song Fox Soundtrack - Heavy Young Heathens

►

Kaz Wolfe

well let's go get $3500 worth of Pis and build a supercomputer cluster

James Tobin

@RobotHumans no one cares about lucifer songs

RobotHumans

@KazWolfe i'm working on it

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5:39 AM

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Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe What's the point?

The GPU can't be used for compute and the CPU is still woefully underpowered compared to even an Atom.

James Tobin

@NathanOsman what's your favorite DE?

Nathan Osman

I'm good with Unity right now.

If I wasn't using Unity, I'd be using KDE.

James Tobin

KDE :o

Nathan Osman

For underpowered machines, Enlightenment is nice.

RobotHumans

5:46 AM

lxqt ftw

James Tobin

@NathanOsman I had kde on both fedora and kubuntu.. for some reason it always krashes :(

Nathan Osman

@RobotHumans I finally tried it on Arch the other day.

RobotHumans

and...

Nathan Osman

It seemed to work well. Stable.

RobotHumans

i was looking for fast slick or tight

Nathan Osman

5:49 AM

I would fire it up again but I broke my Arch install.

Tried to get the amdgpu driver running and bricked X11.

:(

RobotHumans

if we're being honest, that's not really hard to do - brick an arch install

3

Nathan Osman

Well said.

James Tobin

6:06 AM

@NathanOsman is it possible to have a username on stackexchange with a dot?

or a display name

Nathan Osman

I assume so.

James Tobin

@NathanOsman update me :)

Nathan Osman

Can't. I'm mobile ATM.

RobotHumans

yes. or it was.

James Tobin

gah

@NathanOsman will it work to leave and rejoin?

test

gah

@JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

6:18 AM

Whaaaaat?

(on Mobile....

James Tobin

@JourneymanGeek can you update my info?

Journeyman Geek

not now, no.

James Tobin

:(

wallows in self-pity

RobotHumans

6:32 AM

30 minute break from the grind in ED. Servers down for a bit. hopefully the "joy" spawn when i arrive doesn't occur on server reboot, or i'll have to run faster than tweety bird. i'ld rather be marvin the martian

Windows 3.1

nvm it is working now

Nathan Osman

I'm back.

But it seems like you figured it out now.

Windows 3.1

6:50 AM

it did it on its own

:D

@NathanOsman u on PC now? could use another update

Nathan Osman

Updated.