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Kaz Wolfe

9:00 PM

friendly reminder, @ParanoidPanda. He served his time and his suspension. His slate is clean.

So just drop whatever grudges exist -- both of you, and just live out in peace.

it doesn't matter.

user136984

I will if he will.

user136984

It's been a long time.

Kaz Wolfe

no, you will regardless. Unless something happens, there's no reason to push it.

IF, not when, he does something, you're allowed to be/act mad. Until then, clean slate.

user136984

Perhaps we should change the topic?

Kaz Wolfe

That's a good idea.

Anyone else still use apt-get instead of apt just because of muscle memory?

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user136984

9:02 PM

Doesn't it still have less commands?

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda i don't think so

IanC

I saw a question a few minutes ago and thought the guy made a typo when he wrote just apt

edwinksl

16.04 already guys, make apt great again

Nathan Osman

> "The company recognizes that in order to apply for export licenses (as opposed to reexport authorizations, notifications or classification requests), the company must be in of the United States."

Wait, what?

Kaz Wolfe

apt is better i think, but i can never use it because i instinctively type apt-get

IanC

9:05 PM

I'm hungry, gonna go make some food

@KazWolfe isn't apt-get just an alias now? or they are different apps?

user136984

@KazWolfe: Well, as far as I can tell it doesn't have the build-dep option nor does it give you the ability to access the changelog.

Kaz Wolfe

┌─[✗]─[14:06:00]─[kazwolfe@BlackFire]
└──> AwooBot $ apt build-dep
E: Must specify at least one package to check builddeps for

┌─[✗]─[14:06:52]─[kazwolfe@BlackFire]
└──> AwooBot $ apt changelog nautilus
Get:1 changelogs.ubuntu.com nautilus 1:3.18.4.is.3.14.3-0ubuntu4 Changelog [83.4 kB]

Serg

my dirty mind just misread title of the question "Port is not open"

oh boy

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg do i want to know how

Serg

you could guess probably

Kaz Wolfe

9:08 PM

i actually can't atm

Really.

@NathanOsman

user136984

I deleted it by the way, for anyone who wondered.

Serg

@wolfboyft friendly reminder that repeated offences cost you longer suspension. i don't think you guys wanna waste another year. now get over it and be zen as funk

Kaz Wolfe

Repeat offenses get your account banned for life.

CodeX

never thought chat room would be so entertaining

Kaz Wolfe

And if you two don't just stop right now, I have no problem pinging every mod on StackExchange to deal with this. Which may result in more than one account being banned.

user136984

9:14 PM

@KazWolfe: There is no call for that, I'm the one being targeted here. It's not like he's come back and been perfectly lovely and I've just brought this up for no reason. My inbox is being spammed with hate mail right now, I don't want to be told here that I'm going to be suspended for even mentioning the fact.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Which room?

user136984

I'm very happy to leave this right now, but I'd also love him to leave it too.

Kaz Wolfe

This room.

Nathan Osman

Where?

user136984

Nothing more can be done on this site here for this matter so I'll leave it, but I'd love him to stop too.

Kaz Wolfe

9:14 PM

@NathanOsman Deleted message, supposedly.

E-mails to Paranoid.

Nathan Osman

I don't see any deleted messages...

Kaz Wolfe

scroll up

Nathan Osman

Other than the one Panda posted.

Kaz Wolfe

that's the one i pinged you about

CodeX

but his profile reads "This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 364 days."

Nathan Osman

9:15 PM

Ah.

Kaz Wolfe

If there is actually hatemail... that warrants SE employee involvement

user136984

I've got 5 emails now, I better not get any more...

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe No it doesn't. That warrants the police perhaps.

I don't see what SE can do about email.

Kaz Wolfe

If you get any more, feel free to Pastebin them. They're good evidence if needed.

Nathan Osman

If it does continue, let me know. I can take it up with a community manager if need be.

user136984

9:19 PM

I don't want to open them but it's clear from the previews what's in them:

user136984

user136984

@NathanOsman @KazWolfe: ^^

Kaz Wolfe

I saw it.

I am not amused.

user136984

I don't have any plans of opening them, but I'll keep them for evidence.

Nathan Osman

Sounds like a kid in his parents' basement with too much time on his hands.

@ParanoidPanda Good thinking.

user136984

9:21 PM

I am sure that there is something in UK law about this sort of thing.

user136984

Oh, just received another one!

Kaz Wolfe

@wolfboyft We gave you a chance.

It's your own fault you ruined it.

user136984

edwinksl

i wish the accused can actually speak so we can see how he justifies all these moronic actions

user136984

I'm starting to get a real collection here now.

user136984

9:24 PM

That's 7 now.

Nathan Osman

I'm talking to SE staff now.

Doesn't seem like there's much that they can do off site.

user136984

Well, the most they could probably do is give him a complete ban as they will now be able to see what he's all about. But I don't know, they might not want to do that for what happens off site mostly (or at least in this instance).

Kaz Wolfe

He's going to get deleted, at least. I'm fairly sure of that.

user136984

I hope he does.

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda Get law enforcement on this. It's unacceptable.

Serg

9:26 PM

^ that

Kaz Wolfe

He's basically just short of knocking on your door now.

Serg

And consider getting his email onto blacklist so that he doesn't spam you anymore

user136984

Yes, I am seriously considering that option now.

Kaz Wolfe

And if he does... Does the UK have Stand Your Ground laws?

Nathan Osman

I think everything that can be done has been done.

The best thing going forward is to ignore him.

If he makes more threats or anything, I'd take it to the police.

But hang on to the evidence.

Kaz Wolfe

9:28 PM

Forward his emails into a folder and just ignore them

user136984

I really can't cope with this...

Kaz Wolfe

If you see that number rise, contact police.

user136984

I will.

Nathan Osman

@ParanoidPanda Just forget about him. He has too much time on his hands and nothing better to do.

You, on the other hand, have much better things to do than worry about this.

Don't let it get to you.

Kaz Wolfe

> It's off site so I can't be penalized

I think I just got sick.

Serg

9:30 PM

@ParanoidPanda and if police doesn't do anything, consider hiring a hacker over the interwebs to mess up his accounts and maybe ddos his router ;)

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg Don't do this, @ParanoidPanda

Nathan Osman

@Serg Er, maybe let's not recommend that...

Kaz Wolfe

Friendly reminder that the justice system HATES jokes

Nathan Osman

@ParanoidPanda one of the people I talked to asked me to pass this along: support.google.com/mail/answer/8151?hl=en

Serg

Of course not a good solution , just as a last resort

user136984

9:31 PM

@KazWolfe: Seems there are multiple links in there as I can see the start of another at the end of the preview, any idea what they are? Or you just commenting on what he said?

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda Commenting on Serg.

Nathan Osman

If you want some analysis, feel free to forward the emails to nathan@quickmediasolutions.com.

edwinksl

i wouldn't block it if you want to collect evidence

Nathan Osman

I can open them in a secure environment.

edwinksl

that said, he is probably not that dumb to keep providing you with so much incriminating evidence

Kaz Wolfe

9:33 PM

i don't think they have malware, @NathanOsman

Serg

@ParanoidPanda don't you have vm ?

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Then why is Panda hesitant to open them?

But good point.

Kaz Wolfe

If he's doing what he, well, is doing, he's probably too dumb to embed malware.

Nathan Osman

If it's Gmail we're talking about, I'm sure they scan the emails.

user136984

@Serg: I do, but I don't tend to log into my personal accounts there. Maybe I should have a look though.

user136984

9:33 PM

I'm worried they'll be laced with malware.

Kaz Wolfe

I think he just doesn't want to read the e-mails because they're useless and mean and whatnot

Nathan Osman

That's a good reason.

user136984

Plus, hate mail seems to affect me badly as I can tell what just reading the previews...

Kaz Wolfe

You can also shoot them over to root+analysis-4f3bb8573@kazwolfe.io if you want four eyes on it

Aaron Hall

hi

Serg

9:36 PM

hey Aaron

user136984

I can't forward emails without opening them, that's the only problem...

Kaz Wolfe

plus i collect malware so if there is any there :D

user136984

I'll maybe have a look in a VM tomorrow.

Kaz Wolfe

that... is true.

Nathan Osman

Good idea.

@KazWolfe Lol.

user136984

9:37 PM

Even if there isn't any malware, I'm really not in the mood to look at this stuff.

Nathan Osman

I may or may not do the same thing:

:D

Kaz Wolfe

4 TB drive, encrypted :D

Serg

Dang . . . . I need to catch up with you people

Nathan Osman

@Serg It's a bit of a dangerous hobby, so don't feel like you're missing out on anything.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman not on linux ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Nathan Osman

9:39 PM

@KazWolfe You're joking right?

Linux is not immune to malware.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman i mostly have windows samples.

maybe a couple Mac. Nothing Linux.

Nathan Osman

That's all I have.

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, i know linux isn't immune. I'm very careful. Only work with a LiveDVD, etc.

Nathan Osman

Good old virtual machines.

Serg

@NathanOsman Oh, I am well aware of that , but what hobby isn't dangerous ? Plus I am supposed to be an engineer or something , so i need to practice my reverse-engineering skilz

Kaz Wolfe

9:41 PM

@Serg stamp collecting

Nathan Osman

@Serg I don't have any reverse-engineering skills either, so when you learn, please teach me :D

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg [REDACTED: personally compromising]

@Serg model trains

Serg

@KazWolfe if it's a rare and expensive stamp , one probably could get killed. Same with model trains

Personally, I would love to start collecting fingerboxes

Nathan Osman

Side hobbies: I am teaching myself to play the piano, I am getting into electrical wiring, and I enjoy taking things apart.

Kaz Wolfe

wait no [REDACTED: personally compromising] is very dangerous.

nevermind ^~^

user136984

9:43 PM

Does anyone know how to make things go straight into a "folder" in Gmail? I am not sure they have the feature...

Kaz Wolfe

they go

Zephyr

Hello, can someone help me with a kernel module question?

Nathan Osman

@Zephyr We can try.

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda support.google.com/mail/answer/6579?hl=en

Zephyr

@Nath

Kaz Wolfe

9:44 PM

you can even auto-forward new crap to us

Zephyr

@Nathan Osman, there's a memory address that I want to access, but my kernel module kills itself if I try reading from there

but I thought that doing something in kernel space from a module would let me access physical memory

Serg

Zephyr

Do I need to do something to grant access to look at memory?

Kaz Wolfe

he means automatic filtering

Serg

@ParanoidPanda

Nathan Osman

9:46 PM

@Zephyr Where is this memory allocated? In the kernel or in userspace?

Serg

@ParanoidPanda click on the More button. There's an option for filtering

Nathan Osman

Where are you getting the memory address from?

Zephyr

@Nathan Osman There's supposed to be a DMA peripheral, mapped to 0x43C00000. If I understand correctly, then if I write to that location, the peripheral should be able to see what I wrote there

So I just know the address, and would be manually assigning a pointer to that

Nathan Osman

Hmm... I'm not sure, the amount of kernel programming I've done is quite limited. I've only ever written a USB driver.

You might be able to get an answer asking on the site or asking on unix.stackexchange.com

Zephyr

Is there a chat for Unix? I tried making a post there, but nobody answered it.

Nathan Osman

9:49 PM

Yeah, their chat room doesn't have a lot of users.

Asking a question is your best bet.

Zephyr

All I tried doing was making a pointer, int * addr, and then assigning it, addr = 0x43C00000, and then printing with something like printk(KERN_INFO "%d\n",*addr)

but that isnt allowed I guess

user136984

@Serg: Ok, I've managed to move his current emails to a folder...

Zephyr

and I dont know what I should be doing instead

user136984

Thanks :)

user136984

It wasn't very nice to see them there the whole time.

Kaz Wolfe

9:51 PM

but yeah @ParanoidPanda, set up a filter to forward it to Nathan and optionally me, and move it to the folder.

user136984

Anyway, I am going to go and listen to some nice calming music now and hope he doesn’t return, at least not tonight.

user136984

Ok, I'd prefer to deal with all that tomorrow though, I need a break.

Kaz Wolfe

no worries ^^

user136984

I did not expect things to go this badly.

Serg

Meanwhile. . . . i'm gonna go read my letters . . .

Nathan Osman

9:54 PM

@Zephyr I'm not sure how DMA works, you may need to use a special kernel function to read the memory.

oreilly.com/openbook/linuxdrive3/book/ch15.pdf

It sounds like you may need to apply a constant offset to the pointer.

Mateo

@Zacharee1 wow, like the random lightbulb in the power supply...

Nathan Osman

@Mateo That one was quite humorous.

Soldering the CPU is also pretty high on the "wha..." list.

Videonauth

medium.com/we-build-vend/…

user136984

10:11 PM

On a more positive note, Wood pigeons are taking over the world! :D

user136984

Not too sure why there's a picture of one there, but anyway... :D

user136984

And: Pokemon Go: Bosnia players warned of minefields

Nathan Osman

Sen. Jeff Sessions officially nominates Donald Trump at Republican convention; roll call vote to begin http://www.breakingnews.com/t/RYZ

Tweeted by breakingpol on July 19, 2016 at 10:00 PM

Quuuuuuuuuick.

Before it's too late to change your mind.

CodeX

Does anyone else face DNS resolution issue in web browser ?

Nathan Osman

10:25 PM

> "Please allow up to five business days to process your SNAP-R registration."

Thanks, US Department of Commerce.

edwinksl

10:38 PM

5 business days isn't too bad for a govt thing

Serg

@CodeX your isp is messing up probably

CodeX

@Serg I wish .. but it has something to do with ubuntu .. I tried so many things

edwinksl

friends don't let friends delete power buttons askubuntu.com/questions/800651/…

CodeX

including using google dns

Serg

my Question button has been acting up on mobile whole day

CodeX

10:41 PM

it got auto fixed when I last installed Ubuntu .. but after yesterday's upgrade the problem came back

Serg

it was completely text-less in the morning

CodeX

you will soon need to charge your phone

Serg

i know. i keep unplugging it

CodeX

you are +6 GMT

which could mean you are from one of these countries Bangladesh, Bhutan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Sri Lanka

xD good night

Serg

kek , not even close

CodeX

10:46 PM

only if the time of screenshot is not correct

user136984

Right, well, my Japanese classes are doing really well, I am now able to order food in my local-ish Japanese café! :)

user136984

And I got 100% in the end of term test.

user136984

So that's going well.

Nathan Osman

Oh good, my SNAP-R account is up.

edwinksl

@ParanoidPanda you tried JLPT yet?

Nathan Osman

10:52 PM

Now I can file for an export license application.

edwinksl

for exporting nitroshare?

Nathan Osman

Yes :P

edwinksl

nitroshare invasion from our northern neighbor arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

user136984

@edwinksl: I'll look into that at some point. :)

user136984

God, every time I see a new email come in I get this really bad feeling, but so far no more from him... Anyway, hopefully tomorrow will be better and I won't come back to 3k spam emails in my inbox!

user136984

11:01 PM

Goodnight! :)

Nathan Osman

Goodnight.

The only consolation for this legal paperwork is that it only needs to be done once.

Nathan Osman

11:29 PM

I have to write a 100-word essay about my "company".

Why can't voting be this hard... ?

IanC

if we had to justify our votes I can't imagine the ammount of weird stuff we would read when counting votes

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda went that badly?

Nathan Osman

11:47 PM

@IanC Not to justify, but to prove the competency of the voter.

I bet most Trump supporters couldn't even tell you what the three branches of government are :D

Just think of how much better the US would be if the people who could vote had to demonstrate a basic sixth-grade understanding of federal politics.

IanC

this applies in my country too

lots of people don't know how to vote

Serg

so i tried to tape decorative hooks to my laptop to make a custom laptop raiser. problem is that the laptop screen is too heavy and tips over on the hooks :/ good idea but doesn't workout as planned

Nathan Osman

> "Your Work Item ERN0001 has been successfully submitted to BIS. Please remember to check back and view any acknowledgements or requests."

Well, let's hope Apple accepts this.

> "Based on this submission you are authorized to export or reexport encryption
products described in Section 740.17(b)(1) of the EAR and mass market encryption
products described in Section 742.15(b)(1) of the EAR. You are required to submit
an annual self-classification report (Supplement 8 to Part 742) for these products
pursuant to the requirements in Section 742.15(c) of the EAR."

\o/

I feel like a spy now.

Serg

applauds virtually

IanC

man, I tried answering a question on chemmistry stack exchange

Nathan Osman

11:54 PM

You think that's bad, you should see Math Overflow...

IanC

but the person who asked doesn't seem to know enough to understand the answer

now I'm having to answer other questions unrelated haha

Nathan Osman

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Q: Algebraic proof of Five-Color Theorem using chromatic polynomials by Birkhoff and Lewis in 1946

I'm guessing everyone is familiar with Four Color Theorem which was proved by Appel and Haken using computers. A weaker version of this theorem is Five Color Theorem which states that a planar graph is 5-colorable. It's rather simple to prove Five Color Theorem in a standard mathematical approach...