Ask Ubuntu General Room

IanC

10:00 PM

@ParanoidPanda, isn't that solved if you acess your mail through https?

Serg

Anybody uses owncloud ?

IanC

never heard of it

cloud backup service?

Serg

It's a cloud service. I have it on my raspberry

Kaz Wolfe

@IanC not at all

user136984

@IanC: What about when the mail is actually in transit?

Serg

10:02 PM

Problem is, I don't know what to do with it

Kaz Wolfe

@IanC If the emails aren't stored securely, then any rogue admins can see the passwords. And mail in backend transit. And lots of other things.

Or an Evil Maid attack if you leave yourself logged in.

edwinksl

@CodeX no problem, enjoy using it

user136984

@IanC: That's what it stands for, Transport Layer Security.

user136984

It's about when the email is in transit, not when it's being read.

Serg

Zanna

10:03 PM

@Serg :) :)

I want to use owncloud, but haven't got started with it yet, maybe this weekend :)

IanC

@ParanoidPanda, @KazWolfe:
I'm a little newbie to web security, but I thought https protocol would encrypt the mail while its in transit between the mail provider server and your computer

Kaz Wolfe

It does.

IanC

like some sort of tunnel encryption, like SSH

Kaz Wolfe

But only between the provider and you.

Serg

@Zanna what are you gonna do with it ?

Kaz Wolfe

10:04 PM

E-mails look kinda like this:

Zanna

to sync between devices, like Dropbox, I imagine?

Edity

what's owncloud?

Serg

It's cloud service like dropbox

Kaz Wolfe

 [ friend@example.com ] --- > [ example.com mailserver]
                                                 |
                                                 |
                                                 V
  [ you@example2.com ] <--- [ example2.com mail server]

Edity

i use onedrive

Zanna

10:05 PM

I want an alternative to Dropbox that doesn't require me to 'download the proprietary daemon'

IanC

@ParanoidPanda, @KazWolfe. But where the attacker would intercept the email if not while it's in traffic between the server and your computer? Unless your computer is compromised already, no?

Kaz Wolfe

if you use HTTPS, @IanC, the link between your email and the mailserver is secure.

Edity

i get 1tb free storage :D

IanC

ooooh

you mean when a server is sending an email to another server

Kaz Wolfe

So, @IanC, without TLS, I can capture the email going between the two servers.

Edity

10:07 PM

nice diagram

IanC

but aren't those mailprovider server communications tunneled too?

Edity

HTTPS!

When is askubuntu chat ever going to get HTTPS ;/

Kaz Wolfe

@IanC Not without TLS.

user136984

@Edity: I am on the HTTPS version right now.

Edity

O_o

Askubuntu didn't get HTTPS too!

Kaz Wolfe

10:09 PM

yeah, https exists, but it doesn't auto-route you over to it.

And yes, AU does have HTTPS

Edity

wait let me get a screenshot

IanC

@KazWolfe, could you recommend me a good source of information about layers? I started reading a book about TCP/IP a while ago and really understanding what each layer involved was a bit complicated

user136984

@IanC: If the server you are sending or receiving from does not support TLS then there is no tunnel, that is the tunnel, but if both don't support it then you can't have it.

user136984

Also there seems to be a slight delay in the messages being sent here...

Edity

see the sheet of paper?

user136984

10:10 PM

Windows 10?! Traitor! Off with his head! >:P

Edity

user136984

@Edity: That's because you are on the HTTP version, there is also an HTTPS one though.

Edity

so beautiful

IanC

@ParanoidPanda, I get it, would be an issue if you email a provider that doesn't support tuneling than, because your server, even though supports it, can't create a encrypted connection or the other server won't understand it

Edity

where!?!

user136984

10:11 PM

@Edity: Just change the HTTP to HTTPS in the URL bar.

Edity

@ParanoidPanda more like "off with his pencil!"

user136984

Don't you people know anything?

user136984

@Edity: That could have ruder interpretations.

Edity

O-o

Zanna

but onedrive is M$ and they actually say they "monitor your data"!!!
I want to use owncloud because it's FOSS. And I want to understand the privacy implications of keeping my stuff in "the cloud"

user136984

10:13 PM

Well, there are other long pencil like things... The name even sounds similar... But we won't go into that...

Kaz Wolfe

FLAG RAISED

Edity

July 19 (idk) RIP get windows 10

user136984

Just saying someone could misunderstand what you meant and that you should be careful in future when saying that sort of thing.

user136984

@KazWolfe: :D

Edity

No OS is cooler

user136984

10:14 PM

@Edity: I am unable to view images which are not uploaded through i.stack.imgur.com.

Serg

@ParanoidPanda it's a windows logo

Edity

user136984

Ok

Serg

The OS isn't the problem. Company that behind that OS is the problem

Edity

I know

user136984

10:15 PM

I have a deep temptation to flag that. :P

Edity

Go ahead ^

Kaz Wolfe

DO NOT DO THAT

Every 10k user in the entire chat will come in here and raise bloody hell.

user136984

Yes, and there will be an SE civil war. :P

Edity

Reminds me of the ubuntu "hell" distro Brown told me

Serg

Anybody runs Windows 10 in VM ? Does it work ok ?

Edity

10:16 PM

does it*

yes.

Well i'm clearly going butthurt

@Serg This isn't AskWindows :P

Serg

@Edity yes , this is AskUbuntu and I want to run VM in Ubuntu :p

user136984

@Edity: Yes, so get outta here! ;P

Edity

oh

It works fine

@Serg: Do not run HIGH CPU apps as the vm WILL DIE

and it froze my host computer D:

Serg

mkay , will keep that in mind

Edity

(unless if you got a good computer)

(like a gaming pc)

Shiver me pencil

Serg

10:21 PM

(RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@localhost:~$ ping google.dcom
PING google.dcom (198.105.254.23) 56(84) bytes of data.

O_o google.dcom exists

Edity

dcom?

Serg

that was typo , but i'mm surprised it exists

Kaz Wolfe

i dont think it does

i think it corrected it

┌─[15:22:26]─[kazwolfe@BlackFire]
└──> / $ ping google.dcom
ping: unknown host google.dcom

It might be your DNS that has the correction in it.

Serg

$ host eagle
eagle has address 198.105.254.23
eagle has address 198.105.244.23
Host eagle not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Same IP address

Edity

10:24 boomytechy@windows
/ @ ping google.dcom
ping: unknown host google.dcom

Welp, im clearly going mad. See you later!

user136984

10:25 PM

BREAKING: 'Many dead' as lorry hits crowd in Nice

Kaz Wolfe

Is your ISP centurylink by any chance?

Serg

it is

Kaz Wolfe

that's why

centurylink's DNS will show that advertised Helper.

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user136984

Officials are describing the incident as "an attack" and there are some unconfirmed reports of gunfire being exchanged between the police and those in the lorry.

Serg

10:28 PM

France: lorry drove into a crowd of people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, 30 dead, driver shot

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Kaz Wolfe

sexy desktop :D

Serg

how did you get the desktop and window image as wallpaper ? @KazWolfe

unity cube ?

Kaz Wolfe

desktop cube, yeah

Serg

sweet

user136984

Goodnight! :)

Kaz Wolfe

10:41 PM

cubessss

Serg

edwinksl

dat backslash

you windows traitor

Serg

Not me - that's from devhumor.com

Java for loop

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg i... uh...

Serg

Bug birthday

Kaz Wolfe

10:51 PM

@Serg bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=20786

Serg

Submitted: 29 Jun 2006 22:31

Status: Verified

Still not fixed :D

edwinksl

lol

Serg

> Anyway sed work-arounds and the like are not simple on Windows without taking effort to source software and/or avoid installing sensitive other tools on the database server.

Well, if only Windows had been smarter originally and build better tools . . . .

I mean, Unix devs have been creating grep and awk and all that stuff in the 1970s !

Freakin Windows with its monopoly has to borrow bash in 2016

edwinksl

why reinvent the wheel when you can steal from the best

they are in fact smart to "borrow" bash

Serg

Sure , it's normal . But it's 2016 . . . .MS DOS came out in what, 1990 ? It's been like 16 years . . . Instead of moving around start menu and sh!t they should have invested into writing better utilities

Kaz Wolfe

10:59 PM

and making dos useful

Serg

^ that

Kaz Wolfe

basically MS just said "hey, we're just installing Cygwin for you now"

edwinksl

well big companies don't work the way we would like them to

Kaz Wolfe

except corsair

edwinksl

i don't own any corsair hardware i realized

Serg

11:01 PM

Well , big companies do work in mysterious way, but at least some companies listen to their customers

edwinksl

microsoft still dominates despite not listening to their customers

i think that speaks volumes about the customers

rather than about microsoft

Kaz Wolfe

*cough* Apple *cough*

edwinksl

lol

Serg

Microsoft were very aggressive in the past. They gained a lot of customers by that, not by quality

but yeah, i agree. It's a pity most customers don't educate themselves on what other products are out there

edwinksl

yeah microsoft consists of smart people who know how to sell to stupid customers

Serg

11:12 PM

Heck, for regular user , non-techie , there exist only two types of computer. Windows and overpriced Apple. It would be awesome if HP started pushing out HP-UX desktop version

just look at Chromebooks

Even IBM. They have AIX. Can't they make desktop version ? Can't Oracle invest into some hardware and push out consumer version of Solaris ?

Dell has preinstalled Linux laptops but are they in any big stores like BestBuy or Walmart ? nope. And they could do that ! IBM, HP, Oracle - they're not small companies like System76. They could gain some market

CodeX

people buy Windows ..because developers make application/driver for windows .. and developer makes application for windows because there are millions of users using windows .. same is with Android

Serg

Doesn't stop devs from making iOS apps , no ?

And Apple is smart - it works on limited set of hardware , so there are drivers there

Couldn't HP or IBM do the same ?

CodeX

Apple is a different story .. label of apple makes people think ..it is the best

Serg

HP and IBM are well know labels ,too , and have established quality

CodeX

I don't know whose studied showed apple's brand activates the region of religion in people's brain

edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/05/19/apple.religion

cnet.com/news/…

Serg

11:26 PM

Even so, people get converted to religion . Like I have converted to Ubuntu religion :D

CodeX

Lol

I wish

I am changing my religion now as we speak .. removing ubuntu gnome and installing back unity

Serg

I keep both , but mostly use Unity. Gnome - rarely nowadays, only to test things

Unity works really nice on SSD

At least 73 kiled in the Nice, France attack

CodeX

hmm Gnome supports my 4k laptop better

Serg

around 100 injured

CodeX

breaking news?

Serg

11:30 PM

yeah

twitter.com/…

I also posted video report earlier

CodeX

oh my my

watching

Serg

Basically a huge truck drove into crowd

apparently was driving and killing people for a mile

and that d!ckbag Trump can't keep his mouth shut even in view of tragedy

CodeX

hmm thats sad.. before that it the presidents hair stylist was in news till evening

I was using a text replacing extension in chrome to remove trump and one more guy

Serg

Is it possible to make twitter web page auto-update ? i have to click on "X new results" every time

edwinksl

i prefer to follow this reddit.com/live/x99pqdwudg0l

CodeX

11:40 PM

dont know about that .. but you can make a new account and add it on twitterfall.com .. you can add keywords on it that you want to follow

Pokemon craze is becoming worst

Serg

I don't understand pokemon, so I don't care about none of it

I am more interested in upcoming Resident Evil and hope Silent Hill comes out with something new.

Also Outlast 2

CodeX

as far as I understood .. one had to drive ..run or walk certain distance with their GPS and camera on .. according to distance they can get pokemon with different powers

and then with those pokemon they can fight with their friends ..*I maybe wrong

Serg

This whole thing in Nice . . . Makes me very very angry. . .

truck was loaded with arms and grenades

IanC

I know man, just heard about it

makes us feel powerless as f*