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1:00 PM
huh?
you want a private chat?
 
jrg
no, i was just going to email, but that works just as easily.
 
@izx those upvotes came from the chat room apparently.
ok we got to clean up the questions. it actually doesn't look great.
 
izx
@jokerdino I upvoted those I saw at -1 ... no sense in judging...before we know the full story.
 
jrg
actually, no. this is a ask ubuntu problem, it should be handled on ask ubuntu. anything else is probably the wrong way of doing it.
 
hm
@jrg wut? email then?
 
jrg
1:02 PM
@jokerdino no, I drop a comment on a question asking her to fix them.
 
@izx why did you upvote then?
 
@msPeachy in good spirit probably.
i just happened to know this person. or else i would be raging
 
oh okay, I didn't vote on any of those links btw
 
izx
@msPeachy I upvoted only to reset to zero as necessary....
 
:5802359 it is plagiarized, if copied and pasted the exact text
 
1:04 PM
shrug.
she probably got caught by the question limit
 
@izx oh I sometimes do that too, just to set it to zero
 
izx
Actually scratch that, both the Q/A are plagiarized word-for-word and should be attributed AND preferably CW'd. Eliah may throw a fit if he sees so many ripped, however good her intentions may have been.
 
2 mins ago, by jokerdino
i just happened to know this person. or else i would be raging
 
maybe it's not her, maybe someone hacked into her account
 
izx
1:06 PM
scrambles to get on jokerdino's good side lest he every be trampled by a rampaging raging t-rex
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In Review, do I recommend for deletion if the answer is blatantly wrong?
 
?
 
@Mahesh +1 for mc ;)
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS flag
 
@msPeachy nope. this is her
 
1:06 PM
@jrg OK.
 
jrg
@izx you're not being rude.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS flag it, if you are sure it is wrong
 
izx
wonders who would win in a shrugging contest -- Jorge, jrg or jokerdino?
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@hakermania :) most welcome.
 
@izx I can imagine.
 
1:07 PM
@jrg Can't. No flag link. Auto-flagged due to length.
I'm in review.
 
izx
@jrg I was trying to be extra-nice as @jokerdino advised...
 
jrg
@izx shrug
 
@ObsessiveFOSS recommend for deletion. :P
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS click the title and then flag from there.
 
izx
@jrg You WIN! :P
 
1:07 PM
i don't shrug much. com'on!
 
@izx someone should definitely do something about THAT plagiarized Q/A
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS click that link.
 
this is how you ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
ok. let's fix one question at a time.
it ain't a lot.
 
there's no use in fixing it, if it will keep on coming, it should be stopped at the root.
 
1:10 PM
OK.
 
@msPeachy jrg is on that
it will only come 15 questions per day.
there is a hard limit on the number of questions you can ask every month.
 
15 per day?
 
50 per month, etc
 
wow, you clean it up, since you know her and all
 
@msPeachy Fine.
 
1:11 PM
:))
 
izx
@msPeachy They're all plagiarized. And really fixing it requires the skills of a juju wizard such as Jorge or Marco
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I give up. I am no saint.
me being nice is not good sometimes.
 
@jokerdino What are the limits?
 
@izx I know judo but not juju
@jokerdino thought we agreed on the "being too nice" issue...?
 
izx
They should just be deleted unless she edits them -- it's essentially a mirror of whatever's on Launchpad Q/A without the context. There are more meritorious questions to edit...
 
1:13 PM
@ObsessiveFOSS look it up on Meta.so maybe?
@msPeachy yeah. looks like it :P
 
:5802539 no, it isn't bad
 
jrg
guys, we all make mistakes. Stop making such a big deal out of it.
 
PANIC Mode On.
 
i am thinking maybe it isn't really her you know
 
Interrputer: what is bigger, e^pi or pi^e ?
 
1:14 PM
panic everywhere.
@hakermania the former
 
izx
She sounds and evidently is a very smart person, just not acquainted with AU policies/etiquette, I'd guess. And that is no crime...
 
What do I do if an answer is a valid answer, but due to the OP's constraints, cannot be carried out(tells to use Live CD when P asks for operation during runtime and cannot use live installation media)?
 
@jokerdino true :)
 
@hakermania pi^e IIRC.
 
@hakermania :))
 
1:15 PM
well, being aware of the policies or not, one should know that plagiarism is a crime.
just saying
 
@jokerdino What do I do if an answer is a valid answer, but due to the OP's constraints, cannot be carried out(tells to use Live CD when P asks for operation during runtime and cannot use live installation media)?
 
@msPeachy point.
me hates plagiarism too much.
 
jrg
This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "General discussion around Ubuntu & Ask Ubuntu and official Ubuntu derivatives." - conversation should be limited to that topic.
Guys, you've beaten this horse to death.
 
Sorry for asking so many annoying questions. I am trying to get acquainted with the 2K review system.
 
i am sorry what?
 
1:17 PM
Ok.... What was that?
 
jrg
We can edit, and thats it. Any further incidents of plagiarism, purposefully or accidental, needs to be taken up in flags. Talking about it in chat isn't going to fix anything.
 
@hakermania he timed the chat out.
 
@jokerdino What do I do if an answer is a valid answer, but due to the OP's constraints, cannot be carried out(tells to use Live CD when P asks for operation during runtime and cannot use live installation media)?
 
@jrg we are discussing.
 
jrg
@hakermania That was me playing the bad guy. I gave you guys a timeout.
 
1:18 PM
Or @jrg --^
Again, sorry for the annoying questions.
 
@jrg I didn't like you anyway xD
 
jrg
SO. How's the weather where you guys are?
 
@ObsessiveFOSS if it is valid for the masses, upvote it.
hi @JorgeCastro!
i just noted that the tumblr stacktack don't work on planet.
@izx as in, for most other people?
blargh
btw, i never liked that timeout.
it was making me mad
 
@jokerdino I liked the animation of it xD
 
dude you are doing it wrong.
 
izx
1:21 PM
I was just wondering why a one-minute timeout started at 90 and counted down in increments of 3 or 4....
 
jrg
@jokerdino i could have frozen the room, deleted it and told everyone to make a new one?
 
play the bad person and make jrg think he didn't do it right.
@izx it started at 77 i think?
@jrg yeah that would have been better <sarcasm/>
 
izx
@jokerdino Mine started at 86...
 
jrg
@jokerdino no, it wouldn't have been better.
 
what's plagiarized @izx ?
 
1:22 PM
@izx timer fail then.
@jrg exactly my point.
 
izx
@MarcoCeppi Laura Cz.. posted a bunch of self-QA where everything is word-for-word from Launchpad MAAS Q/A...
 
@MarcoCeppi hi
i am taking a time off.
 
@izx Yeah, I'm editing them right now. Do you have a link to the LP MaaS Q/A?
 
actually no. i am not going anywhere.
 
1:25 PM
@izx that question isn't on Ask Ubuntu
 
@MarcoCeppi That was the source.
 
I'm talking to her now
I'm on it
they're shutting down that FAQ so they're just moving stuff
 
izx
@MarcoCeppi Here it is....
 
Keep calm and carry on!
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1:27 PM
@JorgeCastro yeah, just read IRC
 
askubuntu.com/a/176486/54298 also does not answer the question directly.
 
I don't care to be honest, never was a fan of the LaunchPad Q/A
 
izx
@ObsessiveFOSS Guys, please...enough. It's a honest mistake...
 
back to format fixing
 
@izx No I am not doing anything. Just dont time out this chat
 
izx
1:28 PM
yes, LP Q/A is like that rebel-leader-creature from the original Total Recall at the end...
 
yeah some of these will need to be fixed, no worries
 
If you add a comment, but can;t delete or edit, do you select Not Sure or Looks Good?
 
this is the same thing that happened with the kernel folks during beta, easy fix
 
ok i fixed a question.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS +1
 
1:30 PM
@hakermania The comment is due to lack of info.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS dude relax a bit.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS I just have the same question
 
you just hit 2k today.
if you are not sure what to do, hit not sure.
like in this case
 
izx
> we're closing down the LP answers just to put them on AU
^^^ that explains it.
 
@izx, that was a hell of a movie
 
izx
1:32 PM
Unfortunately, as is, I doubt more than 10% of LP Q/A meet AU standards...they're too forum-y...
 
There should be a bot. Maybe askubuntu.com/users/-1/community could do this and make all posts community wiki?
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS Ahem. Drop the subject, please.
 
why?
 
@jrg Referring to the migration from LP answers, not the user's actions.
Apologies.
 
jrg
oh, you bring up an interesting point.
 
izx
1:36 PM
I don't think discussing the migration should be verboten, it could affect AU to a huge degree, especially all of us assistant janitors
 
@izx Maybe running them through a makeshift review?
 
izx
I don't know, it's like animal transplants into humans...hard to fix.
 
jrg
It's only MAAS stuff thats being moved over right now, she says it'll be about 8-10 more questions.
 
izx
So long as they have decent titles and are accepted (i.e. not left "unanswered") it's not a big deal.
@jrg It sounds like all of LP Q/A will be moved over eventually though?
 
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Q: Is it okay to disable apparmor to overcome AppArmor permission issues?

czajkowskiI'm still yet to successfully build a MAAS server, deploy nodes and charms with 12.04 LTS. In my latest troubleshooting in my logs, I have found several errors in my syslog pertaining to permissions issues with apparmor. Every time I would fix one, another would show up. I finally decided to disa...

fixed that i think
 
jrg
1:38 PM
@izx Maybe, i haven't seen anything concrete on that.
 
I don't recommend making a bot to post things, also I don't want to make a new tag for this. If there is to be a mass migration (which would be fine) each item needs to be peer reviewed. So a user script that grabs the content from LP, then puts it in the question/answer box on AU and applies basic formatting. Then a person would just "accept" and the CW option would be auto-selected
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izx
^^^ what he said +100
 
@MarcoCeppi Can you notify all of your loyal subjects to use this userscript?
 
@JorgeCastro if you hear word of moving more content over, maybe a meta post to discuss how to best migrate content could be created. Though it looks like it's just MaaS stuff for now
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS it doesn't exist yet, so no. in the future, perhaps
 
1:40 PM
yeah it's only maas
 
cool
 
I've been whining about it for a while, she was just on holiday and started today but I didn't know
I'm almost done
 
o/ \o
 
thanks
 
@JorgeCastro @jrg I meant when it comes out.
 
jrg
1:41 PM
@ObsessiveFOSS then yes.
 
Maybe some kind of limiting it to only good users could be useful? 1.5K+ is good, I think.
 
-1
Q: Can i Clone One Partion to Other Partion on My Hardisk

BigGeniusI have A Hardrive with 2 partions. Can i just Duplicate my Partion onto other Partion. Can clonezilla do this ? Or any other solution?

 
So lets just work on the assumption that this is the last time we'll see this for now
 
last close vote done.
@MarcoCeppi yessir
now excuse me while i cool down my nerves
 
In the mean time:
in The Bridge, yesterday, by Mana
FLAG EVERYTHING ON THE SITE. NO. EXCEPTIONS.
 
izx
1:46 PM
OK, retitled a few to be less cryptic.
 
@MarcoCeppi On review, what do recommend close and recommend delete do? Act as a delete/closevote? Or just force it into the queue?
 
izx
Bump it up to the mods queue I think...
 
@ObsessiveFOSS recommend should act as close/delete votes
 
@MarcoCeppi So it's basically close/delete votes on a limited subset of questions?
 
I'm really not sure to be 100% honest
might be worth checking Meta.SO
 
1:49 PM
OK. Thanks anyway.
 
@izx yeah so she's just copying them over, that's not going to work, I'm rewording them to make more sense
I flagged the one that was just a bug report.
and the apparmor one is crap, I'll see if someone can beef that one up
 
askubuntu.com/questions/12483/… out of close votes. anyone?
 
izx
Yeah I saw, thanks much @Jorge!
Storm in a teacup, when all's said and done.
 
998 rep left until I can do that...
 
it's ok, this happens, the content is gold, we just need to forge it into awesome
 
izx
1:54 PM
Agreed, it can do infinitely more good here on AU than LP q/a...
 
I'm ditching on these too and just going
 
izx
@joker is that just abandoned?
 
jrg
@jokerdino close as what?
 
izx
Don't we have a generic tag for cloud/uec?
 
cloud
 
izx
1:55 PM
@jrg abandoned = Narq says tptb
 
but let's not use that
otherwise we'd have to tag every maas juju thing with cloud
and it'd become meta
 
@izx close as dupe of black screen
 
izx
That would be a good addition too @Jorge
 
cloud == server
IMO
 
izx
Yeah that's right.
 
1:56 PM
cloud is too generic, it'd get in with ubuntu one etc.
maas is more specific IMO
 
never understood what was cloud.
 
it keeps the infrastructure stuff separate from "how do I install dropbox?"
 
izx
Agreed, scrap my "good" message. Can't delete that from mobile.
 
and we certainly don't want to do like cloud-client cloud-iaas cloud-paas and so on. :(
 
izx
Heh
 
jrg
1:59 PM
dear me no, last thing we need is a buzzword bingo on ask ubuntu.
 
izx
@jrg could you please look at the CVd questions in this self-duping genius' list and close them out?
 
BBL; supper time
 
jrg
i'll look into it @izx
 
izx
Thanks, I think just the last 10 or so; I'm on mobile or I'd post links.
 
jrg
you know, you guys could flag things. chat messages get missed. flags don't.
 
izx
2:05 PM
Aye-aye, cap'n!
 
Going down for video render... Be back later...
 
unf, the tag is looking good now
wonders when you reword titles to make sense
I see google's already indexed them too.
 
izx
@Eliah : your answer to this question is excellent, could you please ruthlessly edit the terrible question to something decent? As is "please upload his file to mediafire for me" may be on to close-ville
 
izx
2:20 PM
@Eliah Thanks, looks good!
 
Where was I?
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Q: Unity 2D launcher icon behavior

Nils RückmannHow can i change the behavior of the launcher icons ? I only want backgrounds or borders if the application is active, like i have it on Unity 3D. And why are so many questions not good enough for ask ubuntu ...

> And why are so many questions not good enough for ask ubuntu ...
Hmm?
Is he talking about the questions we are closing?
 
izx
@Jorge I think this Is a dupe, the OP went to LP and I guess it got migrated back askubuntu.com/questions/176205/…
 
yeah
I knew it was in there somewhere
I had seen that one before
 
izx
@jokerdino I think he means the presubmission quality filter...
 
@izx Ah got it.
 
2:24 PM
Not too many suggested edits today...
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS mainly because you're no longer doing the edit thing.
 
@jrg What do you mean? I am far from an active editor.
 
jrg
oh, sorry, i confused you with mspeachy.
 
@jrg :/
I think I am going to review the reviews now.
 
@izx I also edited the other answer, so that people don't think its author didn't read the question (I don't want it to be wrongly downvoted by people who read only the newly edited question). Please edit again if you think the italicized text I added should be worded differently. Or let me know if you don't think that edit is appropriate.
 
2:26 PM
@jokerdino GO look for my faults! It'll be easy to find one...
 
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A: How do I get a specific file from the kernel's source code?

donatelloTrusting files uploaded by other people for use inside your kernel is extremely insecure. Your best bet is to find these files on another system you installed and copy them yourself, or probably do a reinstallation. Edit: This answer most particularly addresses an earlier version of the question...

 
@ObsessiveFOSS no..
it looks like quite painful.
 
izx
@Obs may be shaping up to be a mini-Eliah <--- that's a compliment Obs!
 
@izx Hmm. So Niskayuna may be a mini-Syracuse...
Though not really.
 
izx
@Eliah, the edit is good, I just moved it to the top as a block quotes so people know the context before they read the answer.
Damn you touchscreen-keyboard! :/
 
2:32 PM
typo gold
 
@izx I know what you mean. Clearly it was not really a typo, but an intentional metaphor. You had begun to eat my tasty edit, but belched it back up at the top of the post. ;-)
 
jrg
I pity you.
 
need more smileys
else i go insane
 
⁑-(
:-⁋
@jokerdino --^
 
you are not helping.
 
2:36 PM
@jokerdino no we don't
 
@MarcoCeppi but why??
@ObsessiveFOSS nicer ones please?
 
@jokerdino Sorry, this is all I could find.
Interrobangs!
 
That is spam.
You are going insane too.
 
I'm hoping that doesn't become a meme...
 
izx
Lol @Eliah
@Obs any more interrobangs and you will be subjected to an interroquisition...
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2:47 PM
hmm...
 
jrg
@izx Ssh, don't tell him about it, he isn't supposed to expect it!
 
izx
Lol
 
Got this on update: Err http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal/main Sources 404 Not Found.
Shall I remove it?
 
I think the space should be after "quantal", not before it.
@msPeachy --^
 
jrg
2:56 PM
@msPeachy for PPAs i either do without, or switch to the previous release.
 
okie dokie, thank you
 
hi
 
Is there any way to emulate the compose key on Ubuntu?
 
jrg
@MarcoCeppi hope you don't mind me attacking your blog comments.
 
@jrg feel free
just wanted the feedback
 
2:57 PM
can i attack some?
i don't want to waste my rage mode
 
jrg
@jokerdino just be polite. ;)
and back things up with MSO and MAU stuff if you can.
 
That's gonna be hard :P
@MarcoCeppi I would have wanted a survey honestly.
easier to analyze etc
okay. most of them are positive comments.
 
jrg
they don't feel personal.
 
okay
 
rI need a portble git in Linux
 

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