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11:00
@Takkat of course there's no 'hacking' involved.. I think people who coined the term thought changing BIOS and stuff falls under the category of Hacking.. (maybe..maybe..I'm not sure) :-)
If you need to send your hardware to a service (for warranty e.g.) you might need your 7 back O.o
@Dananjaya oh I do know the difference between hacking and cracking ;)
No, I changed my Power Unit and they didn't asked for that..
@Dananjaya Apple has quite a strict licencing policy. I think they don't want you to use other than Apple hardware
Obviously :P
that's why it's called Hackintosh I think :D
11:03
@Takkat Yeah...but since they enabled functionality on Intel boards for example.. there's no way of stopping people who try
@Takkat besides, does Apple say you can't install OSX on other platforms?
I still don't see a reason for running OSX when there are so beautiful OSes like Ubuntu around.
With Windows this may be different (driver issues or company software mainly)
@Takkat of course... as a matter of fact, you can make Ubuntu look exactly like that, I did that once pc-cookies.blogspot.com/2011/03/linux-icandy.html
@Takkat and games.. :-) or .NET development
@Dananjaya lol completely forgot about them games
@Takkat okay this should be the proper link lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5x3u167KNII/TXphmxvj6KI/AAAAAAAAAME/… (to stress my point) :-D
Unity looks better :P
11:08
@Takkat yeah.. :-D have you tried playing World of Warcraft in Linux (using Wine of course)
@Takkat I'm still getting used to Unity.. :-)
@Dananjaya mmh - too old for gaming I guess.
Just incase anyone here uses ubuntu..... the new version is now available for download ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
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@Takkat :-)
@trampster ty :)
@trampster thanks...
@Takkat Does OpenCV in repository...It was compiling all along and got make error. Some issue with non-existing reference..
11:15
@Dananjaya "You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so" from OSX license - just to complete things :)
@Takkat :-D except Safari and iTunes
@Dananjaya I'd go for gstreamer - better integrated I guess
@Takkat yeah better try that now...
@Dananjaya lol exceptions are proof of rules :P
@Takkat lol
11:31
yawns sup
@trampster considering this IS the AskUbuntu room...
@trampster is there any reason we WOULD'NT be using Ubuntu?
@EvilPhoenix How are you EvilPhoenix.. (cool handle by the way..)
no sorry just my poor attempt at humor
:P
@Dananjaya i'm exhausted
might be the fact i'm stuck with a windows development job right now tho
that, and i'm severely tired :/
yay 11.04 :b
still uses 10.04 because nothing newer works right on this system
11:34
@EvilPhoenix It's the office?
@Dananjaya no, not yet, in about an hour i will be
and that's a government job
so i wont show up the rest of the day here :/
STOP CALLING ME WHEN I'M NOT AROUND, PEOPLE... THERE'S NO WAY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO REMOTELY ACCESS MY FRIGGIN VOICEMAIL! LEARN THIS!!!!
>.>
some people...
@EvilPhoenix too bad.. so not going to update to 11.04
just take deep breath...
not right now no
@EvilPhoenix and listen to Shiny Happy People by REM :-)
11:37
destroys the CD
@EvilPhoenix :-)
@trampster did you updated?
not yet
yawns again
@trampster so you too going to wait until it becomes stable..
@EvilPhoenix is it early morning to you?
@Dananjaya 07:45
+- 5 minutes
gotta be at my desk by 08:30 >.>
11:41
@EvilPhoenix hope at least you got some sunshine...it's gloomy and rainy and cold here in Paris. and it's already 1.41 pm
hi everyone, should I download 32 bit or 64 bit?
@EvilPhoenix short commute I presume..
I have 64 bit AMD laptop, but I read somewhere that 64 isn't as stable?
am I right or making this up
@Greg that depends on your processor..
@Greg Yeah maybe you're making this up :-)
@Greg never had issues with 64-bit here
11:42
cool ok
here I come natty :D
@Greg Good luck!
why does it say "32 bit (recommended)"?
in what way is it "recommended"?
@Greg in case you don't know
because flash can be problematic in 64 bit
many netbooks need 32-bit
11:45
flash is problematic.
should I say some netbooks?
@Greg There is a question on AU about that
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Q: Why not use 64-bit Ubuntu?

Warren PenaThe Ubuntu desktop download screen has a pair of radio buttons you use to select whether you wish to download the 32-bit or 64-bit version. The 64-bit version is labeled "Not recommended for daily desktop usage." If you have a 64-bit processor, why would you not want to use the 64-bit version o...

12:02
I must get some credit for this!
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Q: Impossible to install

alexy13I have a computer (Power Mac G4) and the CD/DVD drive doesn't work. So that means that I cannot boot from the Ubuntu live CD. I cannot boot from a USB drive, either. How would I be able to install Ubuntu? The CD drive was working but said "seek-error" on the screen, in red letters.

Is it possible to create a local Natty mirror right now? I know it is not released yet but to make it the mirror ready downloading the whole package over the weaken at office.
sure
the archive's been frozen for a while actually
@MarcoCeppi i see thanks
Is the natty release out yet?
12:10
yeah I'm 75% downloaded
I can't get the update on my natty beta
should the beta upgrade to realease automatically?
Probably should put something in the site header - to head off a lot of unity and natty questions
@MarcoCeppi I don't feel flooded yet
heh
yet :)
12:12
what does Ign means ? (sudo apt-get update) before links
@JorgeCastro why did you edit my question so wrong on my UNR question
@Alvar you were putting a solution in the question
they go in the answers
@JorgeCastro Ok thanks
@JorgeCastro well it was a solution to another problem, well ok I see, but the title you gave totally sucked...
how did it suck?
I expanded it
Check the correctness of copied files http://bit.ly/lJvtMa #1010
12:16
@JorgeCastro the old UNR there isn't a newer one so it can't be old
it is the old launcher
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A: Can I install UNR in 11.04?

AlvarI have found an answer to my problem. simply edit the default. I really hope it works now.

Can anyone recommend a tool to compare two directory structures?
@JorgeCastro of what? it's not unity I've been told
right, it's not unity
it's the old UNR launcher
12:17
I have two directory structures that were identical 2 months ago. Some files have changed, and I want to review the changes before copying all/some of the changes to the other structure
and UNR went away and became UNE
and now it's gone for good
what is the new one then?
@Greg diff?
@MarcoCeppi does it show what in the file has changed?
well is there a better version of UNR out then?
12:18
yes, it's called Unity. :)
@Greg That's basically diffs sole purpose :)
okay ... :D
@JorgeCastro no that is the worse version of that program I asked for a better! ;)
Compare files line by line. -i --ignore-case Ignore case differences in file contents. --ignore-file-name-case Ignore case when comparing file names. --no-ignore-file-name-case Consider case when comparing file names. -E --ignore-tab-expansion Ignore changes due to tab expansion. -b --ignore-space-change Ignore changes in the amount of white space. -w --ignore-all-space Ignore all white space. -B --ignore-blank-lines Ignore changes whose lines are all blank. -I RE --ignore-matching-lines=RE Ignore changes whose lines all match RE. --strip-trailing-cr Strip trailing carriage return on input. -a --text Treat all files as text. -c -C NUM --context[=NUM] Output NUM (default 3) lines of copied context. -u -U NUM --unified[=NUM]
@Alvar That's a subjective statement. If you want a "UNR" like interface your two options are UNR, Unity, or Gnome Shell - those are about your only options
@MarcoCeppi unity hasn't got the same interface that's why I want UNR
12:20
@Alvar Then use UNR, no one is making you use one or the other
can I get like a new improved version of UNR it's a bit low pixeled at the moment
Seeding :)
the beta upgrade isn't out yet...
well how do I know if I have got the beta or not?
@Alvar No, it's not really supported anymore - that was their Mk1 at a "Unity" interface for 10.04 and 10.10 - the result of that was the Unity interface. If you have problems or suggestions for the interface you should request them either in Brainstorm or on LaunchPad
12:22
@MarcoCeppi I was thinking if we should undupe/unclose this:
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Q: How to upgrade from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 ?

Pablo Possible Duplicate: How do I upgrade to the development release (aka. Ubuntu+1)? I want to upgrade from ubuntu 10.10 to ubuntu 11.04. Id like to use the terminal.

and then fix it up
@JorgeCastro Sure
close it?!
there is like hundreds of those questions....
I can cannibalize the 10.10 one to make this one better
I want to try out Gnome Shell on U 11.04 ... but according to several "sources", that will break Unity. Is this reversible?
12:24
@AviralDasgupta There's a question on the site that explains how to switch and revert back
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Q: Will I be able to switch to Gnome-Shell in 11.04?

JohnI'm a bit confused about whether or not Gnome-shell is a new distribution or just a desktop environment? Will shell be available to install and use instead of Unity?

@MarcoCeppi ok I found two questions I can cannibalize to make the upgrade one awesome
how can i see if i have the stable or the beta version??
@MarcoCeppi Thanks!
@Alvar Not sure, just run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get any and all packages. If you already have Natty just do a regular update sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade`
@MarcoCeppi Also, is Gnome Shell as "stable" as Unity atm?
I tried it out on Fedora, and I liked it more than Unity.
12:27
@MarcoCeppi I have the natty, can i see if I have the stable or the beta?
nothing happens when I do the update/upgrade command
@AviralDasgupta That I can't answer as I haven't used Gnome Shell - I would check briefly on their dev site. I would assume it's got 'stable' releases but as for how mature I'm not sure
@Alvar Then you probably already have the updates. for "stable"
@Alvar Maybe you could try the "About Ubuntu" thing. Search for it.
where can i find the natty torrent?
I mean, without any offence to Unity lovers, the Unity "dock" is a little clunky. Used that, and Docky, and the Gnome Shell thing, and Docky feels the best.
@MarcoCeppi well isn't there a command I can type in the terminal?!
@MarcoCeppi heh, Cyrex had some awesome screenshots in his last answer
@Alvar Again, I'm not sure. You could always ask it
L0L
I know there was a question about that.....
@Takkat Thanks
This chat isn't really designed for persistent Q&A. If people keep asking and getting answers in here then the rest of the world really can't benefit. That's why they made the Ask Ubuntu site :)
12:32
From the Ubuntu website: "Can I change my mind?

No problem at all. You can choose to launch the classic desktop experience when you log in to your computer."
@AviralDasgupta Yeah, you can do it before you log in
If that is what they think about Unity ... why are they getting rid of the "classic" version in Oneiric Ocelot
?
@MarcoCeppi Yeah, I know how to do that.
@AviralDasgupta Because they intend on having Unity a solid product by then
I was talking long-term.
Eventually those few who still want the Classic Desktop will be able to install it - rather than having it bundled on the disk by default
12:34
@MarcoCeppi Then that's great.
I assume that's being done to create some space for Qt.
The next two releases will see huge improvements to Unity as more feedback is provided, as well as better configuration and control options
@AviralDasgupta remember the classic desktop is also maintained upstream
you can only carry something like that for so long
@JorgeCastro but aren't they "ditching" that in favour of Gnome Shell?
already ditched
old gnome is in maintenance mode
@JorgeCastro Exactly.
12:36
Long gone are the ways of the old desktop :)
Well, IMHO, they aren't considering that there is another class of users.
Not just:
1. Unity users
2. Gnome shell users
3. Classic gnome users
now I've reinstalled ubuntu... do I need an antivirus?
"Another class" being: Classic gnome + custom dock
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Q: Do I need to have antivirus software installed on Ubuntu?

VinaychalluruI thought that there was no need to scan for viruses in Ubuntu or any Linux distros until I found a virus scanner package named 'clamtk' and 'klamav' in Ubuntu software center yesterday. This leads to the following questions: How do viruses differ between Linux and Windows? How do the strategi...

(I got 4-5 people to switch to Ubuntu after showing them what it looks like, with Docky)
(* from Windows)
12:41
@AviralDasgupta Again, with the upcoming releases who know what solutions will be available. Maybe you'll be able to disable the launcher in favor of another dock tool
With 6 months of development time it's hard to go from Start to Product and take into consideration everything while producing something that's stable.
@MarcoCeppi Great. That's what they should have :D
@AviralDasgupta You should request it on Brainstorm or Launchpad if it hasn't already been
Sure, let me check.
can someone guide me - I've put a new hard drive into my laptop and not sure how to partition it
(I'm installing 11.04 onto the new disk)
@MarcoCeppi Another thing. I have Ubuntu installed on an extended partition ... can that cause any slowdowns? (I want to get rid of Windows once and for all)
12:45
I've got 250gb hdd and 2gb ram - should I use the same amount of gb for swap area as I have ram?
@Greg Just use the default setup - no need for anything special
If you really want some help you can check this
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Q: Hard Drive Partitioning?

michael dadlyI am not a basic user of computers, but frankly I have never done a partition of a hard drive. But I decided to shrink the only HD in the computer by 25GB for Ubuntu, however I realized that Ubuntu will partition the HD. However, I am stuck with a 25GB partition that I can not use, at least I thi...

@AviralDasgupta Shouldn't cause much of a slow down at all - regardless of Windows living on another partition in the drive
@MarcoCeppi Thanks. Off to upgrade.
can evolution handle gmail well?
I've read that it doesn't delete things properly - creating extra folders on the imap server?
@Greg Yes, gMail supports both POP3 and IMAP4 - the two most popular mail protocols
I have several gmail accounts setup in Evolution without an issue.
@MarcoCeppi ah that's good... you haven't had an issue with [Gmail]/Trash directory ?
12:57
@Greg Nope, in the most recent versions of Evolution I was able to properly map the trash, drafts, and sent folder for gmail
@MarcoCeppi brilliant. Do you use the calendar on evolution too?
@Greg Yes, but rarely. I'm usually mobile, so my phone does most of my calendaring
same here, but my phone is usually the device that only reads the calendar. I rarely enter new appointments using my phone
13:22
@JorgeCastro you have not updated your blog post with the omgubuntu guide link
I thought I had
/me goes to fix
thanks for the tip
I'd like to say all Ubuntu developers congratulations on the new release Natty and keep up the good work. Thank you!!!!!
Good night!!!
@Achu good night
13:37
@JorgeCastro can you also add this link ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
@MarcoCeppi do you use imap or imap+ for gmail in evolution?
Not sure, I'm not at my comptuer ATM - but IMAP+ should be fine
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Q: What is 'IMAP+'?

JoshIn a new version of Evolution there is an option for an 'IMAP+' server type. What is IMAP+?

imap is the spawn of satan
@MarcoCeppi Whose image is that?
14:05
\o/
Does anyone know of a caps lock indicator for 11.04?
@Greg You mean something that blinks your caps-lock key indicator when you have new messages, for example?
@AviralDasgupta aha no, I mean an OSD for caps lock, so when I accidently press it, a notification comes up
@Greg oh. I find it pretty pointless. Was writing something to: 1. disable the capslock key. 2. blink capslock indicator when you have notifications.
or rather what I should ask is how do I add my own indicators to the top panel in 11.04?
14:11
@Greg the PPA is ppa:tsbarnes/indicator-keylock
@Alaukik does this show an OSD when you press the caps lock key?
@Alaukik do you know about anything like what I described?
@MarcoCeppi where can I download the latest version of your chrome stack exchange osd project thing?
@AviralDasgupta surely by blinking the caps lock light you will be aCtUaLlY tUrNiNg CaPs LoCk On AnD oFf?
@AviralDasgupta no :(
@Greg no, that isn't necessary ... you can actually separately control the indicator using ioctl's ... got it implemented till there. lost interest when I realised I'd have to deal with the indicator-api (which has limited documentation)
Once it's installed it'll auto-update when new releases become available
I haven't tested it on Natty - but it should work
@MarcoCeppi Know about anything that blinks your capslock indicator light when you have new notifications?
@MarcoCeppi care to mention me to test it?
@Greg If you find any bugs just report them to launchpad.net/chromify-osd
14:20
@MarcoCeppi made a noise but no OSD :(
@Greg Use the debugger
@MarcoCeppi ...?
@MarcoCeppi Know about anything that blinks your capslock indicator light when you have new notifications? Also, where can you get the docs for the C bindings of the appindicator api?
No idea about caps-lock you may want to ask that on the main site. For the latter I'm not sure either. I think there's a question about it already
14:23
@MarcoCeppi Uncaught TypeError: Object #<HTMLEmbedElement> has no method 'notify'
@Greg Yeah, that's a problem I'm patching soon. It affects at random about 25% of the people who use the plugin
hmmm, it worked for me on 10.10
15:08
Hey, so, there's a small problem
first, and most importantly, the first google result for "Unity keyboard shortcuts" is not AskUbuntu :)
secondly, the first result uses content from AU without proper attribution
I know it contains mouse things, still, does anyone else think it's a good idea to rename that question to "Unity keyboard shortcuts"?
@StefanoPalazzo Which is the first result for you?
what about a clean and short "Unity shortcuts"
@StefanoPalazzo Heads over there with a banhammer
@Takkat my thinking is that people will type "unity keyboard shortcuts" into google
15:12
eh, they attributed back to the site at least
@MarcoCeppi I'm emailing them atm, let's not send two :)
I would cc you, but they only have a contact form :\
Anyone here know about SFTP/SSH?
That's fine
@user257493 Sure
Excellent. Basically I'm trying to log into a server that doesn't allow PTY.
I want to anagrammatically upload something
How do I remove all packages from a certain repository ? http://bit.ly/kkRaZU #packagemanagement
15:16
So I open up ssh to port 22, authenticate fine, but the server tells me pty isn't allowed. Is there another CLI command I can use to put a file to a server over SFTP/SSH ?
hmm I'm sure I asked this when installing 10.10, but its got me stumped again...
@user257493 If the server doesn't have sftp subsystem setup then SFTP won't work
@Greg orly?
The system has an SFTP subsystem, I've uploaded it using a windows client (winSCP), configured to SFTP.
when I resume from standby, I want it to go straight to where I was last, with no password
ah ... I found my tomboy note: there's a line to comment out in /etc/default/acpi-support
@user257493 Then try rsync?
15:23
that's an interesting blueprint: simplifying system sleep: blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-simplify-sleep i wonder what they wanna do if the user has less swap than ram :-?
rsync looks like a great candidate, thanks @MarcoCeppi
15:34
@MarcoCeppi it's worse than I thought
I thought they only failed to provide attribution, but it looks like they don't even 'share alike'
@StefanoPalazzo How so?
@user257493 No problem :)
@MarcoCeppi the page's footer text reads: "© 2006-2010 · All rights reserved. · Ubuntu Geek"
Awesome
this really gets on my nerves :(
@StefanoPalazzo Let's sue them all!
15:39
heh, I'm european, I don't sue - I just whinge :P
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@MarcoCeppi what happened to the new design for the apt url redirector?
it was so awesome
@Alaukik It's done - I need the Ubuntu server team to implement it
@MarcoCeppi so will it be implemented before 11.10 ?
I hope so - it's really easy to deploy - I just imagine they're busy with the release
I should take them just an hour at most
WE HAVE NATTY NARWHAL :D
hello to everyone btw. :)
15:48
hi
@MarcoCeppi I'm trying to do this with rsync, but I keep getting an error about using exec over SSH, is there a way I can use direct SFTP?
I'm presently using rsync -v sftp demo.txt [email protected]:/inbox/
SFTP is FTP over SSH - you know that right?
Yes, but I'm getting confused. Basically, I can upload with winscp over SFTP, but I can't find a command line way to do it in linux.
like sftp?
sorry, I was using the command rsync -v ssh not sftp.
15:52
sftp is an interactive file transfer program, similar to ftp(1), which performs all operations over an encrypted ssh(1) transport. It may also use many features of ssh, such as public key authentication and compression. sftp connects and logs into the specified host, then enters an interactive command mode. The second usage format will retrieve files automatically if a non- interactive authentication method is used; otherwise it will do so after successful interactive authentication. The third usage format allows sftp to start in a remote directory. The final usage format allows for automated sessions using the -b option. In such cases, it is necessary to configure non-interactive authentication to obviate the need to enter a password at connection time (see sshd(8) and ssh-keygen(1) for details). The options are as follows: -1 Specify the use of protocol version 1. -2 Specify the use of protocol
@MarcoCeppi and @StefanoPalazzo, do you think it would be a good idea to get my LoCo to use the Ask Ubuntu chat (in a separate room of course) as a team chat instead of IRC?
@OctavianDamiean yes I do think so :)
@OctavianDamiean I don't see why not. You could set it up to be a private room - or an "Observation Room" where only certain people have write access while everyone else only has read access
@MarcoCeppi well no real need to do that except of meetings which I think this chat is amazing for
Maybe, not sure, it'd be a good idea to hide the room, as you'll be speaking German (yes?)
you can schedule events, you have a transcript and you can set the room to gallery mode
15:57
I suppose it's a good idea not to give the impression we're multilingual
@StefanoPalazzo we are?
@StefanoPalazzo good point
this laptop has a windows sticker on it
@TheX we are not :)
I'm a total goof, just using native sftp command worked.
15:58
I hate it when they use PC as = to Windows...
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@Alaukik :D
my ubuntu setup is a PC...
it's faster than itself? :D
@htorque excatly...

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