Game Development

6:00 PM

@LeSam The method is called on the listener object, passing in the X and Y velocity components, and the index of the button pressed (for PC, this would be the mouse button; for touch screens, it would likely be button 0/left mouse button).

ToddersLegrande

I was just giving a little justification as to why Almo might have been pinged. Apparently I'm wrong and it was abritrary. My bad.

LeSam

@ShotgunNinja do you mean that I must press a button, then fling ? on my android phone ?

ToddersLegrande

@iKlsR I'm calling hoax

iKlsR

Studying the video, their motions look really controlled

Shotgun Ninja

@LeSam NO! On Android, the button parameter doesn't matter.

LeSam

6:02 PM

ok

Shotgun Ninja

Basically, it's only there because on PC, there are multiple mouse buttons.

ToddersLegrande

I didn't like how the water bottle slid backwards when it was on the board... didn't feel right

Shotgun Ninja

On Android, it will likely always be set to 0 or some special value.

Alex M.

@iKlsR sees "the future has arrived" in the title

closes it

iKlsR

lulz

Almo

6:05 PM

closes Alex

ToddersLegrande

Implying not only have we invented the hover board, we've invented the ability to keep people falling off of them by two tiny magical straps on the feet

Shotgun Ninja

This has got to be an elaborate hoax

No fucking way

I checked through the Legal page, too; no obvious listings of fallacy.

The comment from Tony Hawk - Fuck me.

I really want to believe it's a real product, but my natural cynicism isn't letting me.

Almo

i don't see any fans, and last I heard, we don't have anti-grav tech yet.

LeSam

@ShotgunNinja it's working now, so it's called when the finger is released

joapet99

Hello @ShotgunNinja

Almo

6:11 PM

funny vid though

Shotgun Ninja

@LeSam Yeah, that's the point. You don't want to "flick" until the actual flicking occurs.

sup @joapet99

joapet99

Just finished a looting system for my game

Shotgun Ninja

Sweet. Hey, have you heard about the new hoverboard that's being made in time for Back to the Future?

huvrtech.com

Almo

yeah it's really cool

I'm pre-ordering one

Shotgun Ninja

HOVERBOARDS ARE REAL (finally!) thanks to huvrtech http://huvrtech.com #theyrehere http://instagram.com/p/lINkmIrHuX/

Tweeted by tonyhawk on March 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM

ToddersLegrande

6:14 PM

and totally not a hoax

Almo

huvr is also the name of the stock exchange in India, apparently

ToddersLegrande

yeah googling huvr gets you nowhere

huvrtech.com/legal.html

> The inclusion of any products or services on this website at a particular time does not imply or warrant that these products or services will be available at any time.

Almo

:D

Alex M.

@Almo :(

Shotgun Ninja

ah, sneaky. I read over that, thinking it might be the admission of guilt, but I glossed over it.

LeSam

6:24 PM

what is the price of one Huvr

Alex M.

there is no huvr

LeSam

what is the price of hoverboards

Alex M.

there are no hoverboards

LeSam

why ?

it's fake

it's not on sell

?

Alex M.

our human-PC interaction prof made us use wikispaces for our lab work

is this even necessary damn it

I hate it when profs push random software when it doesn't even help with anything

LeSam

6:28 PM

@AlexM. ?

Alex M.

what

LeSam

why did you said there no hoverboards ?

can you seriously answer me, and not talking about your human pc

Alex M.

how many commercial hoverboards can you name?

LeSam

it's ok, can somebody else answer me ?

Alex M.

that is so much better

please next time don't ask me and ask someone else directly

LeSam

6:31 PM

you can't just answer, you have to troll me everytimes

MickLH

so grtst :')

LeSam

@ShotgunNinja do you know the price of an hoverboard ?

Alex M.

@LeSam I'm not trolling you lol

it's just that I can't really tell what a "?" means when it's coming out of nowhere

MickLH

@LeSam the legalese said just because they talk about it doesn't mean it will ever happen...

LeSam

you can't answer a question by a question @AlexM.$

Shotgun Ninja

6:32 PM

@LeSam They're not on sale yet

MickLH

15 mins ago, by ToddersLegrande

> The inclusion of any products or services on this website at a particular time does not imply or warrant that these products or services will be available at any time.

Alex M.

@LeSam of course you can

Shotgun Ninja

They might not ever be on sale.

They might not exist.

Alex M.

I let you find the answer yourself by leading you to it through simpler questions

MickLH

@AlexM. only if the person asking the original question accepts a non-constructive proof ;)

Alex M.

6:34 PM

gtfo mick I don't have time for you

LEL

LeSam

@ShotgunNinja but do you think their video is not a fake ?

@AlexM. yes but you are wasting times, you could just answer directly

Alex M.

no I'm not wasting time, I'm having fun

MickLH

dude I read something about india earlier, didn't bother to look into it or even read how india is related, just because it is... clearly fake and gay

LeSam

@AlexM. it's funny for you, not for me

it's annoying

Alex M.

that's too bad

I suggest you stop talking to me then

Shotgun Ninja

6:35 PM

@LeSam It has to be a fake. There's no way it would look that incredible.

Alex M.

I have to look after myself you know

I don't have the energy to also look after you

LeSam

@ShotgunNinja the guy who made this edit must be really good

Shotgun Ninja

For sure.

LeSam

In fact it's not shocking me, because we have already seen this in movie.

joapet99

►

MickLH

6:38 PM

it is possible that it's real, just unlikely

ToddersLegrande

^

I'm leaning towards not real

joapet99

Kind of scary what I didn't know about google

MickLH

They could have lined the entire parking lot with high power magnets, and have a giant tesla coil just off camera powering the boards

Shotgun Ninja

@joapet99 That's a silly, sensationalistic video

joapet99

Why is it a silly video

MickLH

6:41 PM

@ShotgunNinja lol right?! I didn't bother clicking, @joapet99 the thumbnail caption says enough for me to make that same conclusion

LeSam

I can't define if some technologies in this video are real OR if it's from the video editing

joapet99

It isn't a documentary which is showing the life of google

Alex M.

lol Intel's XDK includes JSLint by default

joapet99

it is more like a countdown

Alex M.

but their examples are full of issues spotted by it

MickLH

6:43 PM

@AlexM. intel is a good old boy, don't acknowledge their flaws, ever.

I can't even continue that troll, I'm so disgusted, sorry fuck intel

Alex M.

lol

MickLH

<shameless-self-promotion type="music"> soundcloud.com/full-synthetic/violence

3

Icy Defiance

7:03 PM

damn it, Mick, close that tag

you should be ashamed as a programmer

Alex M.

he's probably not done promoting his music

Icy Defiance

ah, our messages are part of his promotion?

gotta get some feedback from real people, right?

Alex M.

who knows

Shotgun Ninja

THIS MUSIC SUCKS</shameless-self-promotion>

Alex M.

I bet he's waiting for us to say "Mick's music is the best."

now that I said that

he'll take it out of context

Icy Defiance

7:05 PM

too late. tag's closed.

Alex M.

and quote me with "Mick's music is the best." only

MickLH

7:16 PM

Is it ok if I completely omit the engine console, and let a REPL for the scripting language replace that

Or is there some reason why it would be nice to have a console that's simpler than the scripting language

prays for @JoshPetrie give some of his signature experienced reasoning

Shotgun Ninja

In some cases, you don't want the user to have access to the entirety of the scripting language, and in some cases, you do (see: HL2 vs Oblivion)

With multiplayer games, you really don't want players using the scripting engine for hacking.

The Source engine solves this by only exposing a few modifiable "CVARs" (console variables) and simple commands.

Almo

Quake 3... on the other hand...

Shotgun Ninja

Quake 3 actually uses a rather similar system to the CVAR system.

MickLH

My idea so far is to leave it up to the game developer to decide when the console is available by forcing them to implement it themself if they want it

Almo

but it allows setting custom variables, so you can program stuff

Shotgun Ninja

7:32 PM

well, yeah, but it's far from allowing you to write executable code.

although there is a system in both to allow you to run existing script files...

MickLH

It's pretty trivial to make the GUI textbox with transparent background, and enable modal on it, but after that the only easy way out is to eval() the text, if a dev wants the user to have console access but not script access they have to write a command processor

Almo

i had
bind a "lowsense"
lowsense = "set mousesense 3; bind a hisense"
hisense = "set mousesense 15; bind a lowsense"

so when i went into sniper mode, i'd hit a to get really fine control. added to that was my mouse wheel up fov = 10 mouse wheel down fov = 90

serious snipez man :)

then at 10 fov, I could still hit space to zoom further

Shotgun Ninja

The question is: Do you want to allow that type of control, or deny it?

MickLH

or I could write the command processor as a utility class, but I still have the issue to resolve

so I'm leaning towards omitting it

Shotgun Ninja

Also, any game which doesn't have random offsets incorporated into their bullet trajectories is broken as shit

MickLH

7:34 PM

aw man if you're crouching, and it's the first bullet though

Shotgun Ninja

Well yeah, having stabilization on the first shot is acceptable, but I mean not factoring in gun kick and wind resistance.

MickLH

lol as long as that first one is on point, I agree spray and pray shouldn't be rewarded

Almo

dood man. Q3 would not be q3 with random shot fudges

but, counter strike wouldn't be counter strike without them

so... yeah. :)

Shotgun Ninja

Q3 is a different story.

That gametype depends on predictability of projectiles.

Almo

:)

Alex M.

7:37 PM

Q3 is all about quick reflexes and rocket jumps

CS is all about camping and making noobs yell at you for doing it

Almo

and plasma climbing. and grenade jumps. and strafejumping

hahahah

Alex M.

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A: How do I stay awake during work without the use of coffee?

The best long term solution is to try getting enough sleep. It's the healthiest way to be productive and realize caffeine doesn't necessarily give you the productivity boost you'd get after a good night's sleep. Is your schedule so full that you cannot get at least 6 to 8 (though this number can...

I sometimes go to the coffee machine at work to get a chocolate cappuccino

but that's only because I think it tastes good :(

not because I need it

Almo

good answer alex

Alex M.

most people there think it's my morning coffee

actually I remember getting a hot chocolate once

and someone said sth like "heh, chocolate"

Lasse

two cups of coffee?

average finn drinks like three or four cups of coffee a day

Alex M.

7:41 PM

I drink tea :(

Lasse

I drink only about two, so I'm not a heavy user

Alex M.

the guy edited his question: Edit: I do not beleive sleep is a problem. I always get to bed at around 11:45 PM and wake up at around 7:00 AM, with an approximate 15 minute leeway at each end.

I'd be inclined to think it's some sort of caffeine withdrawal symptom then but...

I'm only feeling well rested after 10+ hours of sleep

Lasse

I need usually at least 8 hours, and 9-10 on weekends

Alex M.

my flexible schedule is really a luxury lol, normally set my alarm to start at 10 AM

but if I'm feeling to sleepy

I postpone it until 12

and stay at work until ~20 or 21

1

A: How do I stay awake during work without the use of coffee?

I try to convince my coworkers to do this all the time! I never drink coffee, and aside from a few caffeinated sodas now and again, I don't drink/consume caffeine at all. Not only that, but I can get to work first thing in the morning. Now, to clarify, when I was growing up I was(still am, a b...

this answer is better than mine

Almo

but you were first, which is all that matters. ;)

Icy Defiance

7:47 PM

what if I didn't even feel tired until 5, and didn't fall asleep until after 6, then was awake at 8? am I screwed?

Alex M.

no

Icy Defiance

(currently running on < 2 hours of sleep and a half liter of pepsi)

(gonna die)

Alex M.

I usually go to my exams after 30 mins of sleep or none at all

Lasse

I woke up 5am today

Alex M.

leaving that time when I failed because I didn't study aside

I always pass

Lasse

7:48 PM

And it's already 10pm

Alex M.

just don't do it everyday

This is arguably the hardest part to sleeping. Getting up when your alarm goes off. But, if you do it, your body gets into the habit of it. I have 3 alarms on my phone just in case I miss one, but I never hit snooze.

lol I'm really tempted to release that app I had an idea for years ago

when the alarm would go off, you'd be presented with a screen saying

"Wake up you sad fuck."

two buttons:

"Okay I'm up."

"Snooze: $1.99"

Almo

hahahahahahah

holy shit

hahahah

Icy Defiance

lol I love it

Almo

that really is a great idea

:D

Alex M.

ikr

Lasse

7:52 PM

I'd just push "I'm up" and fall asleep

Alex M.

if Blizzard ever made an Android phone

Lasse

Because I'm a cheapskate

Alex M.

they'd have that as the default alarm clock app

or EA

yeah, EA too

Icy Defiance

nah, not Blizzard. they'd make you pay a subscription for the app itself, and if you wanted to change the look of the app you'd have to pay for that, but the snooze button wouldn't cost extra.

Lasse

There have actually been couple of mornings when I woke up only to realize that the alarm has been turned off several hours ago

With no memory of turning it off

Icy Defiance

7:55 PM

EA would sell you a broken clock, then fix it a month later, then they'd release the alarm, snooze button, and additional skins as DLC

Lasse

Valve would sell you hats for the alarm clock

Icy Defiance

EA would then release the same clock every year with an incremented number tacked onto the end of the name, and it would be the best selling app of the year every time.

Valve would have a sale on snooze button uses a few times a year, and people would buy 100x more than they'll ever use.

meanwhile everyone just ignores the open source version of this alarm clock that's completely free with every one of the features these paid ones have, just because you have to download it from some website and copy the files onto the phone manually instead of just downloading it through the store

Alex M.

well I'd agree with that but

just when I thought the bug genie was a great free and open source tracker

turns out the burndown charts it makes are broken

so... JIRA for $25 sounds reasonable

I also get rid of the confusing interface

Icy Defiance

lol, fair point

Lasse

how it is broken?

Alex M.

8:01 PM

really, except for Linux as a whole

Icy Defiance

usually open source things just have some annoyances, not actual broken things

Alex M.

I've yet to find an open source software that doesn't make me think of it as a car with a half full tank

Lasse

It's open source, you can fix it you know

Alex M.

yes

that's my main priority when searching for something to manage projects

fixing them

Lasse

Someone has already made the tool for you for free, and you refuse to fix some bug it has just because you demand it to work just like all the commercial ones

Alex M.

8:03 PM

so you essentially agree open source software should not be considered an alternative to commercial software?

or rather, agree that the quality is lower?

Icy Defiance

well if there are commercial ones out there that don't have that bug, why not use them?

Alex M.

I mean

Icy Defiance

I like open source not because I can fix it, but because I can modify it

Alex M.

two identical sprints, showing different burndown charts

what the fuck.

the same sprint copy/pasted I mean

Lasse

My point is you can't fix the bug in the commercial software by your own, and release the fix for the community

Alex M.

8:05 PM

no, but you do get immediate support from those like Atlassian

Lasse

Only if you are lucky

Icy Defiance

if their support is any good

not that open source things often have good support

Alex M.

shrug I wouldn't know

but then again, it's not like lasse would know either

right now, all I know is, Jira works better for me

and $25 for a self-hosted solution is a steal considering this

Almo

JIRA is good shit.

Icy Defiance

I know I always avoid talking to customer support for anything, unless I know it can only be fixed by someone with greater permissions than I have. last time I did that was to recover some items in WoW that I got cheated out of by a strange dc glitch.

Blizzard customer support was amazing at that time, though. Way better than any other company I've had to talk to.

Alex M.

8:08 PM

last time I contacted Blizz support was... for some reason that I forgot

but their answer was something like "yeah no worries cool"

so it was fine lol

Lasse

JIRA is god damn expensive

25 users
$1,200

Almo

JIRA is god damn good. loads of customizations

stable

Alex M.

I only need the 5 user license

Icy Defiance

1,200 for 25 users doesn't seem too expensive. what's the cheapest option?

Almo

a project manager I once worked for said "JIRA is the best software ever made"

Alex M.

8:09 PM

and $1200 for a one-time payment is not expensive for a serious company of that size

Almo

he was a good project manager, even if he did for some reason not like me.

hahah

            CreateCourse("Another Course", "A course not available yet", "Oh noes", true, null, null);

Lasse

I wish I had the resources to create my own perfect project management software :(

Alex M.

just make something basic for Scrum, and sell it on a subscription basis

Lasse

lol that $1200 does not even include agile support

Alex M.

it seems the bug genie is the only free option

Lasse

8:12 PM

another $600 for agile, and $300 on top of that for service desk features

Alex M.

it's still sort of cheap, considering it's a one time payment

from what point of view are you saying it's expensive?

Hansoft is a widespread alternative to JIRA

hansoft.com/support/license-pricing

no one-time payments

consider how expensive that gets as time passes by

Almo

Hansoft is figgin horrible, too.

Alex M.

I saw their video

Almo

Had to use that at Autodesk, until our team said "fuck it, we're using JIRA".

Alex M.

I was attracted by their "free for startups" thing

but I thought it was too complicated and confusing

Almo

8:17 PM

if you have 25 employees

your salary outlay is probably around a million a year

even $3k for JIRA (as a one time thing) is cheap

Lasse

I guess you're right on that

Almo

I want to ask at arQAde what CounterStike is all about, and have Alex say his starred thing, and I accept it as the correct answer

Lasse

Do it

It'll be hilarious

Alex M.

lol

we'd both get downvoted to hell

Almo

hahah yeah for sure

but we'd still be right!

Alex M.

8:20 PM

yup

good guy bioshock

Almo

:D

Lasse

I wonder if I should for once just make a game and push it out in minimal time, and not care about the code quality

And see how well it does

And then do it again, and again

like every month

Almo

try it once at least

Lasse

I would need someone to do the assets though

:(

Alex M.

I'll drop a relevant quote from Coders at Work by Jamie Zawinski

if I can find the book on my PC... I read it on my tablet

Lasse

8:27 PM

Or I could just use some stick-figures

Alex M.

one second

Lasse

And black and white colour scheme

MickLH

@Lasse If you build it with programmer art so it works you will have a much easier experience finding someone to invest their time

Alex M.

> I hope I don’t sound like I’m saying, “Testing is for chumps.” It’s not.
It’s a matter of priorities. Are you trying to write good software or
are you trying to be done by next week? You can’t do both. One of
the jokes we made at Netscape a lot was, “We’re absolutely 100
percent committed to quality. We’re going to ship the highest-quality
product we can on March 31st.”

Lasse

@MickLH I guess so

Alex M.

8:30 PM

btw this is probably one of the best bundles ever: bundlestars.com/all-bundles/adrenaline-bundle

for €4.39

mainly because it contains expeditions: conquistador

Lasse

too few linux titles

Alex M.

fun fact: expeditions was made with unity

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. Yeah, that's a good one

There's a new humble android bundle too

Also flyingbundle.com

Lasse

why is it a fun fact? who gives a crap for what it is made with as long as it is good?

GnomeSlice

Cubetractor is an excellent game ^

Lasse

8:31 PM

spelunky is made with game maker

MickLH

hahaha

Noctrine

Fun Fact: Most "Fun Facts" are usually lame :p

Alex M.

beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2689/40023

:( such low ratings for my second favorite blonde beer

Noctrine

I'd probably have called it the Beerdex

Icy Defiance

Your face is lame, Noctrine!

This user has been banned from the chat.

Alex M.

8:33 PM

@Lasse I like to know what was used to make each game I'm interested in

Noctrine

lol

Alex M.

I'll try to make a game using Intel's XDK

seeing some vids and demos, the HTML5 performance is not a problem for simple 2D stuff

and I think it would do my team good to remove the need for that Unity subscription... just to make 2D games with a couple of screens

Icy Defiance

not a problem for simple 3D stuff either. problem comes with complex stuff.

well, I dunno about Unity. I just mean HTML5 in general.

Lasse

Sleepy time, gn

Icy Defiance

like N64 level graphics would run in a browser pretty nicely, but not Xbox 360 level.

see ya, Lasse

Alex M.

8:43 PM

On 1 March, he (Interim Ukrainian President Oleksandr Turchynov) warned, "Military intervention would be the beginning of war and the end of any relations between Ukraine and Russia."

man it sucks to be so small and declare a possible war on Russia

but now that you look at it how was Russia allowed to get so big

there should be some sort of international policy to not allow behemoths like Russia to exist

but this would also disband the US

so the "world" would probably not agree

MickLH

yeahhh... that sorta also doesn't really offer protection just divides people further and encourages world war

Alex M.

sucks to be Romanian

you're with the US in its wars

and you sold your natural resources to Russia, so you buy them from them

I wonder if they'll cut our own natural gases if we join the US in an eventual world war

or maybe we can take them back by force

MickLH

fuck war

Alex M.

intel has a game example... that they acknowledge it doesn't work well on all platforms

what

The Counting Beads app is created using HTML5, JavaScript, CSS3, and jQuery*. It has the the following characteristics:

Works on in Google* Chrome* browser only - Does not work on Android* devices as a PhoneGap* compatible app
Uses CSS media query for different layout of different devices
Absolute positions are used for all element layouts

ooh ok

Icy Defiance

well, right now the massive countries are all preventing wars just by existing. you get small things like our occupation of Iraq or Russia taking over a city, but those aren't really wars, and relatively speaking not many people are dying because of those conflicts.

Alex M.

8:58 PM

lol as if Russia will try to stop there

Icy Defiance

russia kind of has an excuse for taking that city, because most of the people there are russian anyway. also they had an agreement to use the port there, and when the Ukrainian government was overthrown, it looked like that agreement would be broken. so they probably won't face any retaliation for that, other than possibly minor economic and political pressure.

but they will stop there, because if they went farther, it's very likely other big countries would get more involved

Alex M.

no they don't have an excuse lol

Ukraine != Russia

MickLH

oh come on

Alex M.

they clearly violated Ukraine's independence

Icy Defiance

they also can't attack neighboring countries like Poland because they're part of NATO, which would force bigger countries to get involved.

MickLH

8:59 PM