Game Development

John McDonald

7:00 PM

Are you still working on Minerwars?

Kikaimaru

@JohnMcDonald no i left when we released it on steam

@JohnMcDonald but its "opensource" now

John McDonald

Really?

weird

Kikaimaru

why?

github.com/KeenSoftwareHouse/Miner-Wars-2081

John McDonald

It was released recently, no?

It's not uncommon for old games to get released open-source, but new ones?

Kikaimaru

i think its because we couldnt figure out how to make mods work with our obfuscator :)

John McDonald

7:03 PM

ah: "You need to own Steam version of Miner Wars 2081 to create or play MODS"

Kikaimaru

and if you release .net program without obfuscation it doesnt matter if you open source it :)

John McDonald

heh

Bogdan Marginean

petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/…

this is a bit retarded

Kikaimaru

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Q: Is the Comic Sans font easier to read for dyslexics?

After getting into an argument with a friend about the use/existence of the Comic Sans font, he said that it is one of the few typefaces that virtually eliminates confusion among dyslexics. It appears others have the same opinion. Many sources present anecdotal evidence such as: Most signif...

Bogdan Marginean

why would you ban a FONT?

a font is just... a font

it does not cause anyone direct harm

it's like, putting guns in jail, instead of those who use them to kill people

and this is not even a good analogy

a font does not harm anyone even when used by someone

Kikaimaru

7:07 PM

@BogdanMarginean so you would ban people who use comicsans? :)

Bogdan Marginean

how can you ban someone?

Kikaimaru

@BogdanMarginean i dont know, same way you put a gun in jail :)

Bogdan Marginean

you can put a gun in jail

if someone uses comic sans in your company and you don't like it, just tell him not to use it for example

or fire his ass

banning a font makes no sense

it's like someone forcing justin bieber not to sing because people don't like him

"The font makes many professional sounding documents look like they were written by a three year old. "

this petition was written by a three year old

Kikaimaru

@BogdanMarginean to be honest banning twighlight doesnt seem so unreasonable :)

Bogdan Marginean

@Kikaimaru to you

Kikaimaru

7:11 PM

@BogdanMarginean obviously, who do you think i am talking for? ;)

Bogdan Marginean

I don't like twilight either, but I wouldn't for anything request a national ban on it

actually I have no idea why I'm complaining

no one ever forced me to twilight anything

I'm just following the "gee twilight sucks" trend

I'm living my life without having one contact with twilight

and I bet you do too

why ban it then?

just wait till the petition gets on 9gag

every idiot who's never been in contact with comic sans will vote on it

because 9gaggers are srs bzns and hate comic sans you know

okay, so sockets are pretty similar from afar to those pipe thingies on UNIX systems

through which processes communicate

Kikaimaru

@BogdanMarginean i doubt that it can really be banned even if everyone wanted it :)

Bogdan Marginean

@Kikaimaru that does not add to the discussion at all

I'm talking about the intention behind the petition

Bogdan Marginean

7:45 PM

this makes me dizzy but it's so awesome codepen.io/noahblon/pen/GKflw

John McDonald

@BogdanMarginean The intention is to troll

Bogdan Marginean

@JohnMcDonald then they succeeded lol :P

John McDonald

Apparently

heh

Bogdan Marginean

Server <-> Client looks like a two-way observer implementation

Almo

comic sans is horrible

that dizzy link is awesome.

Bogdan Marginean

7:50 PM

yeah, found it in the mail today

Gajoo

@Almo but I love it

John McDonald

@BogdanMarginean, Don't fall for @Gajoo's tricks

Bogdan Marginean

what where who

what did I do :O

Kikaimaru

my javascript chat is finished!

no only implement the whole game

Bogdan Marginean

@JohnMcDonald what tricks? :D

John McDonald

7:58 PM

Believing that he loves Comic Sans

Bogdan Marginean

well, he can love it for all I care :D

okay, so for the common interface of servers and clients: they both receive and send data

Almo

It really is a horrible font. Poorly designed in general. Bad letter spacing. The only reason it is common is because it's the only "playful" font that shipped with Windows.

John McDonald

@BogdanMarginean yes. eg: Your web browser is a client, and stack exchange is a server

Bogdan Marginean

yup

I'm following a TCP/IP C# tutorial and trying to wrap my own stuff

I'll have two classes (Server and Client) each implementing ICommunicator (not sure if I like the name)

technically, the client has to check if the server's gone too, so they're pretty similar in this regard as well

the only difference is at the startup

the server listens, and the client connects

John McDonald

correct

Bogdan Marginean

8:04 PM

afterwards, they both do the same thing

John McDonald

yup

Bogdan Marginean

tutorial says while ((true))

my lisp sense is tingling

Almo

jahaha

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Woo!

DataTrigger animations!

A bit of flickering though.

But it looks sexy.

Gajoo

@JohnMcDonald but I really do,

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:12 PM

@ToddersLegrande, You around kid?

Bogdan Marginean

@William'MindWorX'Mariager "Kid remains silent for a while. He knows windbags don't ever bring good news."

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hah

Bastion

I'd love to have that kind of voice over in my game some day.

Bogdan Marginean

well

the bastion narrator must be cheaper to hire than morgan freeman

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

imdb.com/name/nm3079634

Not what I expected. :P

Bogdan Marginean

check out his interviews on youtube

he doesn't sound like in bastion irl

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:24 PM

There's a hint of it though. He has a raspy voice. :P

Bogdan Marginean

@CodeAssassin think this color scheme is more appropriate? dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17635452/Templ.jpg

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Blue link is kinda hard to read

Bogdan Marginean

yeah I'll replace it

thing is, this way, I'm making my website too much of an obvious copy of Arkane's

but white + gray does apply to business more

it seems all game makers have black websites lol

I don't like dark that much, so I'll just go with the best solution: a color scheme for each new flagship product

made the link more readable

this should be enough for the TCP/IP chat thingy

alternatively, I can remove the interface and leave the superclass only

won't do that though, I'll leave it for the sake of good OOP practices

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:48 PM

Yay for animations.

Next up I should work on my data sending. It's kinda funky right now.

Haven't quite figured out how to send complex types.

So right now I'm just sending a String,String dictionary with information from the service to the client. :P

A bit messy for something strongly types like C#.

And not very refactor friendly.

Bogdan Marginean

how are you sending them?

you could wrap things in a separate class/struct like SendableData

send byte streams

and parse them

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'd have to make the class twice. Shared libaries between Silverlight and .NET is difficult.

Not that I haven't done it before, but I'd rather find something more suited for this.

Bogdan Marginean

but what are you trying to send?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Various things.

Username, warcamp id, inventory, party, etc.

Bogdan Marginean

because I don't understand how sharing libraries between slight and .net is necessary for sending user defined types

you're sending byte streams

doesn't slight understand byte streams?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:53 PM

I'd need the type on both the server and client?

Bogdan Marginean

just define it then?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Like I just said, then I'd have to make the class twice.

Bogdan Marginean

in the same project?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Once on the client side, once on the server side.

Yes.

Bogdan Marginean

why is your client and server in the same project?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:55 PM

Why not?

PythonInProgress

heya guis

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It's much easier, I can edit server side and client side at the same time.

Bogdan Marginean

are you sure you don't mean SOLUTION?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Same solution of course.

My bad

Bogdan Marginean

then I don't see why it would be bad for the server to also know of the type

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:55 PM

Because it can't.

Bogdan Marginean

it makes no sense for the server to work with types it does not know

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Can't share between silverlight and .net.

Like I just said.

Jimmy

why not

Bogdan Marginean

erm, of course you can mate

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Jimmy, Only way I made that work before was with some MSBuild magic or linked classes.

Bogdan Marginean

8:56 PM

you're not sharing windows specific stuff

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@BogdanMarginean, Give it a try.

Jimmy

if you define it as a "silverlight library" I think it should be able to be used by either

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Silverlight and .NET isn't the same.

Jimmy

since silverlight is a subset of .NET

PythonInProgress

heya jimmy!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:57 PM

@Jimmy Not last I tried.

Jimmy

Hi PIP

PythonInProgress

what's up?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Maybe it has changed since. I'll give it a shot.

Bogdan Marginean

can you do freaking class A { int a; int b; } and let silverlight recognize it?

Jimmy

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg597391.aspx

PythonInProgress

8:58 PM

my counter will still not WORK!
i even directly copied the counter, off of the internet,
into a new python/pygame program
and it still didn't work!!!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

The project 'TinkerWorX.GWSData' cannot be referenced. The referenced project is targeted to a different framework family (Silverlight)

So like I said, MSBuild magic or linked files.

Which both are kinda messy. :(

PythonInProgress

btw Will, the register button and login buttons work on that site for me :D

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@PythonInProgress :D

And the center panels pop up and down?

In the bottom.

PythonInProgress

yeah i think so (it was last weekend)

whats the link again>

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Ah :P

It has changed since.

gws.legeria.net

PythonInProgress

9:02 PM

oh kk i will look

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Login from last should still work :)

PythonInProgress

kk brb, but should the center bar scroll up? it is just a small bit on the bottom that doesnt do anything

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah, it should scroll up when you log in.

And scroll down when you log out.

PythonInProgress

ahh ok i didnt log in yet

can you look at the password list? I used a dummy password that i totally forget :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Haha, I can't.

PythonInProgress

9:05 PM

lols

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@ToddersLegrande have been requesting a password reset option. :P

I guess I should implement that next.

PythonInProgress

very good idea

kk i made an account with dummyemailtotest@gmail.com
it works

btw an idea. where the options menu is (before you log in) is where the password reset option should be (then it changes to options)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I've been thinking about making a larger panel in the bottom with login controls rather than a popup. I should have all the things there.

Or perhaps in the center of the screen.

Center is better as it requires focus.

PythonInProgress

true! sorry i cut out @William'MindWorX'Mariager all my programs crashed :P

idk why

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hehe

PythonInProgress

9:14 PM

so, whats the goal for that game?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Ever seen the game Die2Nite?

It's a browser game about survival.

Very cool concept.

I'm going to try and make something similar. But with goblins and some other changes I like. :)

PythonInProgress

9:31 PM

@William'MindWorX'Mariager i will look at it :P

ToddersLegrande

@William'MindWorX'Mariager whats up?

Bogdan Marginean

can't change my oDesk name :(

why! damnit

I'll email support

PythonInProgress

9:50 PM

oDesk?

oDesk

dafaque?

www.odesk.com

Desk oDesk = new Desk();

Bogdan Marginean

whenever you see a name, just add a .com to it

ToddersLegrande

9:51 PM

^ bad notation

Bogdan Marginean

if it does not work, google it

You will be transferred to the first available service representative. There are approximately 2 user(s) ahead of you.

APPROXIMATELY

PythonInProgress

ahh interenting

lols

Bogdan Marginean

might be 2 and a half

I find "Bogdan" to be too annoying to pronounce by English speakers

and most of the time it comes out wrong

so why not use my 2nd name: Alex

which more or less, has an equivalent in a lot of languages

ToddersLegrande

Bahg-den

PythonInProgress

alex. change your game guy!

obscure reference... nvm

Bogdan Marginean

9:54 PM

nope, it's more like bog-dahn

so yeah that bog thing is also not appropriate :P

ToddersLegrande

Bog-den would have worked for me

But I agree... bog-dahn is kind of weird

its like

yup

bogged on

haha

right?

9:55 PM

lols

Bogdan Marginean

something like it

PythonInProgress

i just bogged on to stackexchange :P

Bogdan Marginean

KABOOM

actually it did not apply

testing

I think I have to also change it for chat

oooh, odesk replied

but it seems it's a bot

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