Game Development

John McDonald

7:00 PM

And part of why I like it more now is probably thanks to HTML4+ and the widespread use of AJAX

but... I'm not sure HTTP uploads are right for Gajet

Gajet

@everyone you can download it now!

tylerrrr07

You are probably right but my bigger fear is that it opens him up to the whole application which while I trust he's not going to touch anything to break it... accidents happen and I don't want to have to worry about that

Or support it

Especially since its MVC and kind of confusing for those who don't know it

Gajet

I always do backups before any changes,

don't think that low of me!

tylerrrr07

Like I said, its not a lack of trust, etc. Its a fear of an accident. I know you are competent, even if I can't read your code :P

John McDonald

Hmm. On my webserver, I can limit ftp account to specific directories, and I can even apply a quota

Gajet

7:06 PM

the later is more common

so your sentence should be grammatically wrong!

tylerrrr07

My old web server it was an FTP account per domain / subdomain. Guess I never investigated on this because I didn't know anything else. Lemme look

Ooo... I can specify a home folder

Liukas

can anyone recomend me a good free 2D drawing application?

Gajet

paint.net

John McDonald

I like Paint.net

<3

tylerrrr07

Inkscape for vector

Liukas

7:08 PM

thanks :)

Gajet

as much as I've worked with it, it seems to be designed for game developers

specially the alpha part

Liukas

i always used adobe illustrator, but now i want something legal...

Gajet

@Liukas hah, illegal software usage outside iran! I'll report you right away!

Liukas

what? :D

tylerrrr07

@JohnMcDonald thanks for the tip on ftp accounts. I am now less ignorant :)

And Gajet has ftp access :D

Liukas

7:15 PM

@Gajet U serious? :D

Gajet

@tylerrrr07 as I said before there are two kinds of technologies out there, those which I'm familiar with, and those I can start working with them right away.

tylerrrr07

Indeed. So from this point forward you are on your own :P

Gajet

though it usually takes some time to master anything but I can usually handle my own issues with the first glance.

tylerrrr07

I believe its roughly 10,000 hours to master something

Gajet

I guess so

I've just noticed there are too many translations for a single word in persian

translate.google.com/#fa|en|%D8%B3%D8%AE%D8%AA

and I was looking for spelling of completely another word, something like "harsh"

tylerrrr07

7:22 PM

so you want something that means the same as harsh? in english?

Gajet

no I was not sure how to spell harsh, so I just tried to look for translation of the similar word in persian

I was going to say

@tylerrrr07 it's a bit too harsh

tylerrrr07

ah

What is?

Gajet

why does it take so long to preview a them?

tylerrrr07

I don't know... I just install them and set them

instead of preview

And if the 10,000 hours is what was harsh - squidoo.com/10000-hour-rule

If it was my comment about being on your own, I'll obviously provide support where you need it but I think you are pretty well set now :)

Gajet

nope leaving me on my own was harsh

tylerrrr07

7:25 PM

I just can't make the site for you

Gajet

I think even 10000 hours is sometimes not enough for mastering something, consider C++ for example

tylerrrr07

I'm not sure I've spent 10,000 hours on any single thing in my life

Gajet

I guess I've got to customize my own theme, I'm not really liking any of these

tylerrrr07

I like the one I settled on

Bootstrap

intellisenseless.com

Gajet

yeah that one is cool,

but I'm not sure if it's same as the theme for battery game

tylerrrr07

7:30 PM

Its really simple... so I made the picture to express that I just don't care :)

Gajet

also you didn't give me access to change anything in orchard

like manually installing/changing themes

bbl

tylerrrr07

You can do that right from the dashboard

at least install

Gajet

@GustavoGtoknu you can download the game now

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Gajet where's it?!

tylerrrr07

@Gajet I changed your ftp access to be fully open on your subdomain. Don't break anything

I really don't want to be the guy who has to fix it

Gustavo - Gtoknu

7:36 PM

btw the blog link, is going to: battery.intellisenseless.com/battery.intellisenseless.com/Media/…

h t t p :// battery.intellisenseless.com/battery.intellisenseless.com/Media/Default/Version%‌20Archive/Bokhor%20Bokhor.rar

fix it!

its a 404

Gajet

w8

@GustavoGtoknu fixed

Gustavo - Gtoknu

btw, the damn rar file is broken lol

Gajet

it was a simple problem hah?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

the rar file is corrupted

at least here

let me download it again.

BTW, why dont you upload it on some file sharing website? it might save you bandwidth.

Gajet

@tylerrrr07 don't worry

@GustavoGtoknu now that you mention it I could do that

the archive is damaged

Gustavo - Gtoknu

7:40 PM

yeah, i just got sure of it.

Gajet

let me upload it again

Gustavo - Gtoknu

second time i donwload it and its damaged lol

Liukas

what do you thing about Gimp?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

good opensource alternative over photoshop.

Gajet

@Liukas it's a little hard to learn

but it's all good from every other aspect

Liukas

7:42 PM

have you ever used adobe illustrator?

Gajet

I just get shocked by myself from time to time by seeing what applications I've installed on my computer before.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

I never, but by videos I see it's a good vector image editor :)

Gajet

I just found out I had filezilla but i can't remember why on earth did I install it

Liukas

i need something similar where you can sellect edges and move them

Gustavo - Gtoknu

from a normal image file? like png or jpg?

Damir

7:43 PM

@Gajet You received a message from the future.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

these are rasterized, and adobe illustrator will do no good with it.

@Damir haha!

Liukas

what other good bold__vector__bold drawing applications do you know

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Feel the dejavu of uploading files on it

@Liukas Just saying, if you want to edit a rasterized image, ANY vector drawing app will help you

you'll be better with gimp and PS

English question, if I use "people" should I use "want" or "wants"?

Gajet

it seems filezilla uploads a lot faster than explorer

who can explain that

Gustavo - Gtoknu

ftp power

Liukas

7:48 PM

i like apps where you can draw everything from a scratch

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Ah, so you're not editing one? so you should try vector editors then :)

adobe flash seems the easiest, btw.

but it lacks some features that AI has.

Gajet

can we please stop talking about adobe here?

I'm eating dinner!

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Oh, sorry, you should had warned me before ):

where's the new download link >.>

Gajet

edited right now

tylerrrr07

@GustavoGtoknu @Gajet - I have "unlimited bandwidth" which means theyll get skeptical if it gets really high but as long as I am using it for web hosting and not backing up my PC or other such sillyness we are fine

Gajet

7:53 PM

this time I've uploaded zip format

Liukas

what do you think about this one? inkscape.org

tylerrrr07

@Liukas I like it. I made this simple drawing in it intellisenseless.com

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Gajet 404

tylerrrr07

I like how it has a brush that you can warp your shapes with

Gajet

why

Gustavo - Gtoknu

7:54 PM

@tylerrrr07 intellisenseless.com * :P

tylerrrr07

Missed an e - try again

Gajet

I was missing a classic in link

try again, I hope the archive is not broken again

Liukas

@tylerrrr07 umm, that software sucks?

tylerrrr07

@Gajet the download link works fine for me and the zip opens

Gajet

@CodeAssasssin battery.intellisenseless.com

Gustavo - Gtoknu

7:56 PM

I receive a 404 here ):

battery.intellisenseless.com/Media/Default/Version%20Archive/…

tylerrrr07

@Liukas I think you are confusing software sucking with me not being an artist

Gajet

did you refresh the page?

tylerrrr07

battery.intellisenseless.com/Media/Default/Version%20Archive/…

Gajet

anyway here is the direct link :

tylerrrr07

Direct link to download ^^

Gajet

7:56 PM

battery.intellisenseless.com/Media/Default/Version%20Archive/…

Gustavo - Gtoknu

let me ctrl+f5

Liukas

@tylerrrr07 oh... So you really liked it? :D

Gustavo - Gtoknu

yay downloading

tylerrrr07

Yeah its easy to work with once you get the feel of it

And its vector so you get to move verts and such around without losing quality

Liukas

ok, i'll try it

tylerrrr07

7:58 PM

I'd recommend looking up tutorials so that the UI doesn't lose you and make you hate it

Gustavo - Gtoknu

wow we can play over lan?

Gajet

nope

I was going to implement that feature but dropped it after I finished UI!

now I'm adding more features to gameplay, and make it 3D

I'll also add multiplayer feature up to 64 players in single game

or 128

Gustavo - Gtoknu

wow, will need a big map :D

how're you generating these mazes?

Gajet

it took around 50mins to generate them

tylerrrr07

@CodeAssasssin you lurking?

Gajet

8:00 PM

I can give you the code, but I guess you won't understand it! :D

Code Assasssin

I'm here lol

Gajet

I know, did you check my blog ?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

heh

Code Assasssin

o.O

Whut

tylerrrr07

Just saw your icon and was surprised you didn't say anything yet :P

Code Assasssin

8:01 PM

XD

Whats going on lol? I was playing a game lol

Gajet

@GustavoGtoknu here is the basic idea

Prim's algorithm

In computer science, Prim's algorithm is a greedy algorithm that finds a minimum spanning tree for a connected weighted undirected graph. This means it finds a subset of the edges that forms a tree that includes every vertex, where the total weight of all the edges in the tree is minimized. The algorithm was developed in 1930 by Czech mathematician Vojtěch Jarník and later independently by computer scientist Robert C. Prim in 1957 and rediscovered by Edsger Dijkstra in 1959. Therefore it is also sometimes called the DJP algorithm, the Jarník algorithm, or the Prim–Jarník algorithm. Other...

tylerrrr07

Nothing important - play away :P

Gustavo - Gtoknu

thanks :D will be good reading

Gajet

but I've improved it alot to meet my requirements, for example eliminate all dead-ends.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

was it hard?

Gajet

8:03 PM

I'll post the code in the blog in few minutes

Gustavo - Gtoknu

I think i've heard before of this prim's algorithm in a pacman game.

but not sure if it was pacman

Gajet

actually like many other code I've written first I've implemented my code, and later found out there was a prim algorithm doing same thing! but anyway I should bow before those who created the algorithm before me!

Gustavo - Gtoknu

hehe

@Gajet May I ask, why are you so PRO in pathfindings, graphs and etc? Do you work with something in the area?

Gajet

nope, I just like graphs.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

awesome :D

Gajet

8:08 PM

and I'm not pro by any chance. it's just that I usually find the algorithm myself, before knowing they exist. and I implement them by just having a glance of how complicated algorithms work.

I don't really need to know implementation details before I can do what I want

Gustavo - Gtoknu

That's really nice, that means you can go very far by yourself ;)

Gajet

I guess so

Gustavo - Gtoknu

as stephelton said, you dont need school if you have passion :)

Gajet

but I just get stuck on some well well-solved problems cause I can't find the solution immediately.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

btw, your game crashed when i tried to quit it lol

it dont want me to quit, aww

so lovely

Gajet

8:13 PM

I guess I have to fix that bug, but I didn't had a crash experience myself

tylerrrr07

I didn't either... or at least I dont remember it

Gustavo - Gtoknu

well, I forgot it open, when i came back to close it

the close button did nothing

so i tried pressing ESC then crash

didnt tried to reproduce, but these were the steps :)

Gajet

ESC should close the app.

but maybe I've forgotten to remove some parts of new code

nope it should work fine

Gustavo - Gtoknu

I may be the only person on earth with a 64bit CPU that uses 32bit OSes

both my ubuntu and win 7 are 32bit, what the heck is wrong with me

tylerrrr07

:O

Gajet

8:25 PM

@GustavoGtoknu nope my friends also used to use 32bit OS

but he was a great fan of PES6, and you can't that game on 64bit version of 7

John McDonald

How does it not work on Win7 64?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

can't he use the 32bit version of the game on the OS? lol

John McDonald

That doesn't make sense, because all of my games are 32 bit

Gajet

application problem, I'm not sure why the game generated some unknown error even in compatibility mode!

John McDonald

and I'm on Win7 64bit

tylerrrr07

8:32 PM

And with the addition of code blocks I think my blog is just about set up...

intellisenseless.com/blog/code-block-test

Gajet

@GustavoGtoknu added a post about part of maze generation algorithm

@tylerrrr07 I want that one too!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@tylerrrr07 There's a comment! :o

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Gajet I will take a look at it :D

John McDonald

You guys do realize there's a tight memory restriction on 32-bit machines, right?

tylerrrr07

:O

@Gajet I'll set up the necessary files and email you some instructions on how I got it to work with the editor smoothly

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:34 PM

@JohnMcDonald It's still worth considering 32bit even if you're on a 64bit system.

John McDonald

:O since when?!

Gajet

@tylerrrr07 isn't it a simple module to add?

tylerrrr07

Nope

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

64 bit generates a lot of cache misses and is generally slower because of the increased pointer size.

tylerrrr07

I had to update some core files to include proper JS / CSS and then you've got to format the html in your post just right =/

John McDonald

8:35 PM

@WilliamMindWorXMariager yup, I can see that

Gustavo - Gtoknu

So 64bit just worth on a really fast pc?

Gajet

I guess I can live without it for now!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@GustavoGtoknu 64bit is only really worth it if you need the extra memory space.

John McDonald

But is that a reason to limit yourself to ~3GB of ram? :/ I donno

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Well, I just have 4gb of RAM anyway.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:36 PM

If you look at EVE online, they have both 32 bit and 64 bit servers, and only switch to the 64 bit ones when needed.

Gajet

@JohnMcDonald what if you don't won more than 3GB installed?

John McDonald

@GustavoGtoknu Check your system settings, it won't recognize all 4GB

Gustavo - Gtoknu

not counting that most part of it goes to the onboard graphics card.

Gajet

goodnight everyone

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Where are you going @Gajet?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

8:37 PM

I know, It just recognize 3,19GB, as said on system specs

Gajet

to sleep?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet, Why?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Gajet goodnight!

Gajet

it's passed 1AM here, and I almost always need to wake up at 7!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

That's silly.

John McDonald

8:38 PM

@GustavoGtoknu In other words, if you did want more ram one day, you have to upgrade your OS (to a 64-bit OS)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm rocking 8GB of RAM <3

Not including VRAM. :P

John McDonald

likewise

Gajet

all those days when I don't need to wake up soon I stay up till 4-5 but tonight's (and all other week days) are a bit different

Gustavo - Gtoknu

My pc doesnt have slots for more ram anyway

and it is locked at most 2gb per slot :P

so i wont get more than 4gb so soon

John McDonald

that doesn't discount the option of replacing all of your existing ram with 2 sticks of 4GB each

Anyway...

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:39 PM

I may need to upgrade my motherboard. I want to get a new CPU.

My current one is pretty outdated compared to the rest of my system.

Gajet

@WilliamMindWorXMariager sidenote: our weekends are thersday, and friday.

goodnight everyone

John McDonald

For new PCs, if you want the PC to be future compatible and don't want to buy a new OS in the next 2 years, I'd go with 64 bit OS

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

My harddisks outperform my CPU in the windows experience test. :(

John McDonald

Owch

You have SSDs? or a really slow CPU?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@WilliamMindWorXMariager +1... My CPU is really slow, poor core 2 duo.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:41 PM

Two regular drives in raid 0. And an old Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00Ghz.

John McDonald

What score does the stripping give you?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Raid 0 really gives a noticeable performance boost. If you have onboard raid controller, it's worth going raid 0. You loose nothing in exchange for better performance.

Moshe

Hi

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@JohnMcDonald 5.9, it's two 7200RPM disks.

tylerrrr07

Hey @Moshe

John McDonald

8:43 PM

@WilliamMindWorXMariager You lose reliability

Gustavo - Gtoknu

You still lucky, I got a core 2 duo @ 2.67GHz

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@JohnMcDonald I've never had a disk fail on me, so I don't worry too much. And it's just my system disks anyways.

John McDonald

and odd, my single HDD also scores 5.9

tylerrrr07

everything I have is 7.5+ except my HDD being a 5.9 :(

John McDonald

One of my disks is dead right now!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:44 PM

Don't throw them around?

John McDonald

@tylerrrr07 Same story

tylerrrr07

Alright. Well I've got a web site. Now I need something to write about xD

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@tylerrrr07 write about gd.se

tylerrrr07

Not a bad idea lol

Maybe :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Anyone of you kids have a good understanding of the basic windows API? In particular what TranslateMessage exactly does.

tylerrrr07

8:46 PM

Windows API? Sounds like voodoo.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Seems it processes a key down/up event, and posts the correct char event to the message listener.

Moshe

@JohnMcDonald :-(

Writing a massively cool tool for iOS development.

tylerrrr07

Thats massively cool! :P

Moshe

Geofencing anyone?

John McDonald

@Moshe yeah, it sucks, but at least it's under warranty. I should get that under way

Moshe

8:49 PM

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@JohnMcDonald how did it die??

Moshe

App lets you draw geofences.

tylerrrr07

@Moshe Could could totally make some territory capturing style game with that

Moshe

And save them as a PLIST.

@tylerrrr07 Lol. Is that a reference to my inclusion of political territories in that fence?

tylerrrr07

Nah I didn't even blow up the picture. I just looked at a part of map completely shaded in red and thought "Risk"

Moshe

8:50 PM

Heh, nice.

John McDonald

@GustavoGtoknu It just... did. It's causing BSODs when I access a certain sector, but other than that, it seems to work like usual. Kinda weird

tylerrrr07

brb. gonna reboot since my ESC key seems to be busted right now...

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@JohnMcDonald Tried to recovery it with some method? lol

John McDonald

BSOD

I've tried a few things, each ending in a BSOD

Moshe

There should be preference in Windows to choose the color of the BSOD...

John McDonald

8:52 PM

GSOD

Moshe

*SOD Where * is the color you've chosen.

Or * is random

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I want a CSOD

Gustavo - Gtoknu

last time i got lots of bsods my ram was about to die ):

John McDonald

let me guess: Cornflower Blue?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@JohnMcDonald <3

Moshe

8:53 PM

@JohnMcDonald Hahaha.

CFBSOD

Done.

Heh, nice

haha awesome!

Yeah I've only ever had major BSOD issues twice. Once with a bad stick of ram, and the second time being the same stick of ram going bad after it went through the warranty process.

Might have been my MOBO killing the sticks but I really don't know. New PC with no problems in the last 2 years

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

9:02 PM

Yeah, RAM is the most common cause of BSODs in my experience. Windows really don't like it when data that shouldn't change changes. :P

John McDonald

ehh... I've had too many computer problems. Basically every type of component (except the case and monitor) has died at least once on me

Gustavo - Gtoknu

The best one for me as my CPU fan dying everytime and I didnt noticed it.

BSODS happening almost everyday, and when i got to look what was going on i had one hole on the CPU, it melted lol.

tylerrrr07

I've had a PSU go... but that doesn't cause BSODs. The computer just kind of doesn't work once thats gone. I guess it happened so sudden maybe one going bad causes BSOD. Don't know.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

at least it made me upgrade from a dual core to a core 2 duo :P

thunderbolts also love me. 2 mobos have died on thunderstorms here.

John McDonald

You use a surge protector?

Not that those are 100% protection, but

Gustavo - Gtoknu

9:07 PM

I live in brazil, we don't have such technology!

Kidding, yes I use one

tylerrrr07

lol

John McDonald

I was thinking to myself: "Is he serious? Does he know it's basically a power-bar?" lol

Gustavo - Gtoknu

At least the last time that i had the problem i was using one. The discharge came by the LAN cable. I guess. The LAN switch wasnt secured.

since then I just use wifi on thunderstorms :)

John McDonald

Damn

tylerrrr07

Yeah. They make surge protectors with Cable / Phone / Ethernet ports now too :)

John McDonald

9:14 PM

Reminds me of when I was working on this project (for work) and was overseas (doesn't matter where), but they had a large room filled with RTUs (computer equipment). When someone went to plug his laptop between two RTUs, his laptop fried on the spot. What had happened was the technicians didn't... (fuzzy on electronics) didn't connect the grounds? So there were 2 "grounds" and they were many volts appart. The difference travelled in one ground line and out the other to complete the connection

Gustavo - Gtoknu

wooow

John McDonald

Apparently, if someone had accidentally touch both grounds at the same time, it would have really hurt

Gustavo - Gtoknu

poor laptop.

John McDonald

I'd rather a laptop than a person

And the two grounds were like 3 ft from eachother

Danger!

Gustavo - Gtoknu

lol, how can physics be so crazy

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

9:32 PM

I should really get me a blog.

So I could document findings, like my current one that enables input for WPF components hosted in XNA.

And my old __fastcall in C# trick.

Hmmm.

To blog or not to blog.

John McDonald

To quote myself from last year: "I'm not a huge fan of blogs"

lol

Now I've come around 180

Not only do I find myself writing in my own blog, but I read tones of other people's blogs now

Gustavo Maciel

Well, If it's not wasteful stuff like blogs about the life of a "no one", then it's worth to read (:

John McDonald

Including @Byte56's blog and @TrevorPowell's blog

heh, I donno. I kinda like following indie devs

Gustavo Maciel

heh

Goodbye guys. Going to have some sleep.

I'll be back in some hours, just a nap

John McDonald

9:52 PM

@WilliamMindWorXMariager Oh, as I've heard so many times before: Don't expect anyone to follow you, or to comment, or to interact with your blog because Nobody cares about you

:( sad, but true

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

:(

Damir

That's not right

You should always care about yourself.

You can blog for your own sake, at least.

John McDonald

valid point. Write for yourself

That's what I do. Do you think anyone reads my blog? (hint: no)

And why should they? I'm boring, :p

tylerrrr07