The Factory Floor

3:00 PM

@Green oh yeah, totally. messed that one up, the plateau was higher up originally. will fix that. That removes one of the wrong streams from the map, NICE

Hosch250

Company is taking us.

James

Baseball is dumb

Hosch250

Never said it wasn't.

James

oh...good.

Hosch250

But it's less dumb than basketball.

Personally, I don't mind playing it. I'm not a fan of just watching sports.

James

3:01 PM

True, and day-drinking is fun. Given you are of age and all that.

Hosch250

I don't drink.

I'd rather have a clear head than a fuzzy one.

James

Drinking is clearly no fun if you're not old enough to do it

Green

@dot_Sp0T The stream lines in the extreme NW section of the map are wonky too. One stream goes uphill 10 meters for a while.

Hosch250

And yes, I'm of age.

JavaScriptCoder

Oh, I'm 14 and I've drunk wine

James

3:02 PM

@Hosch250 I went to a AAA game last week with my team at work...it was...fine.

JavaScriptCoder

it tasted awful

James

lol

You probably hear this a lot, but like many things, wine is an acquired taste

JavaScriptCoder

in China it's impolite to refuse alcohol if asked

dot_Sp0T

@JavaScriptCoder rebel rebel

JavaScriptCoder

nah

didn

Hosch250

3:02 PM

@JavaScriptCoder I'm not known for being polite.

JavaScriptCoder

didn't want to be impolite to my relatives

dot_Sp0T

@James it is not really, liked to drink Wine since age 8

JavaScriptCoder

downed a glass of red wine though

have to be a good sport

James

@JavaScriptCoder I am pretty sure that is true everywhere...if someone buys or gives you a drink its definitely good manners.

@dot_Sp0T Lush

Hosch250

Matter of fact, I've my relatives fight over my impoliteness before, LOL. I just stay out of it and make rude comments from the peanut gallery.

AndyD273

3:03 PM

I think Hockey is the only sport I can stand to watch very long without wanting to take a nap. It's one of the few sports that actually moves fast.

JavaScriptCoder

@dot_Sp0T where do you live? not in US obv

Green

@dot_Sp0T Although that 'uphill' flow depends on what the contour lines mean. Depending on how you label them, that stream could be uphill or downhill.

JavaScriptCoder

not many countries have no restrictions on alcohol

James

@dot_Sp0T I get it though. My grandmother was Sicilian, she started pouring me wine on holidays at...you know right around 8 yo

dot_Sp0T

@Green you sure? the topo only goes up aside from the hill bit right above the river

Hosch250

3:05 PM

@James I know someone who was weaned on beer.

Green

@dot_Sp0T That confusion is why I was asking for contour labels.

JavaScriptCoder

@James When I went to China at age 2-3 apparently I drank a lot of beer and loved it

I don't remember it though

Apparently I licked my grandpa's vodka glass dry

James

@Hosch250 My aunt was babysitting me while I was teething when she was 12 or 13 years old. She had heard about the rubbing whiskey on a kid's gums to numb them (which totally works btw, you just dab whisky on your finger and rub it on the gums).

Green

@dot_Sp0T The NE corner is pretty easy since the peaks are clearly visible. The NW corner is more confusing because it's impossible to tell where the peaks are.

dot_Sp0T

@Green I will provide, like the benevolent god I am

Green

3:07 PM

@dot_Sp0T Pfft. Even a benevolent god wants upvotes ;)

James

So she didn't really understand the process...so she put a shot into my bottle, apparently I slept for 14 hours.

dot_Sp0T

@James and the outcome is you?

yup

@James lol, dang

:D

3:08 PM

@dot_Sp0T will glarnak approve?

Green

@James Isn't that pretty close to alcohol poisoning to be asleep that long as a kid?

JavaScriptCoder

@Green not really, if kids drink alcohol they sleep a ton

It was one shot, cmon

dot_Sp0T

@JavaScriptCoder honestly? I have missed out on the whole glarnak thing. I was away for some time, and when I returned glarnak was there

James

@Green Probably yeah...

Green

@JavaScriptCoder My parents didn't drink and I have no children. I made that comment from a place of complete ignorance. I don't know.

James

3:09 PM

@JavaScriptCoder bahahaha

JavaScriptCoder

@Green idk exactly what alcohol poisoning is

Alcohol is a poison

that's a fact

Hosch250

Just an alternative one, right?

James

I survived, and am...sort of normal...I guess. Whatever, its fine.

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Hosch250

:P

JavaScriptCoder

Yup, a legal drug. As a boy scout I'm not supposed to consume it. Well, a scout is courteous

dot_Sp0T

3:10 PM

@James aside of the snorting

James

@dot_Sp0T That's just from all the blow.

JavaScriptCoder

what's "the blow"

dot_Sp0T

I always read 'Self Destructing Mages' -> worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/121414/…

James

o/ back soon

Green

@JavaScriptCoder kind, thrifty, brave and reverent.

dot_Sp0T

3:12 PM

o/

Pseudohuman

\o

HDE 226868

@James See, I was going to say that the anecdote explains a lot. . .

5

JavaScriptCoder

@Green missed clean, but honestly scouts aren't in general clean

Hosch250

LOL.

Green

@JavaScriptCoder Agreed. That's much more an ideal than the other attributes.

Hosch250

3:13 PM

Clean is just a rich-person thing, ya know?

dot_Sp0T

I really enjoy this level of frivolty we have in the community. On other stacks talking with a mod like that gets you shooooo'd and you did not?'d

JavaScriptCoder

lol

Worldbuilding is... special

although on the g-block elements I talk to Martin often

HDE 226868

2 days ago, by HDE 226868

@Mithrandir24601 This is also my lowest-stress site to mod. Y'all are great. :-)

Green

@dot_Sp0T That sucks. Mods are normal people with a few extra privileges. If they abuse those privileges then they need to not wear the star anymore.

JavaScriptCoder

Then again, it's all in german and we all tease each other

HDE 226868

3:16 PM

(Daily reminder that you guys are awesome)

8

Green

I'm not gonna treat a mod special just because they're a mod.

4

Hosch250

Until they start swinging the ban hammer around.

dot_Sp0T

@Green it's more about the veneration I think

HDE 226868

@Hosch250 . . . at which point you duck.

dot_Sp0T

@Green I actually treat James wor.... better because of it!

@JavaScriptCoder ?

Hosch250

3:17 PM

@HDE226868 First you duck the hammer, then you dunk the mod.

Green

@dot_Sp0T Mods aren't special. How I interact with them socially has more to do with the actual social interaction instead of veneration.

dot_Sp0T

Du sprichst Deutsch?

JavaScriptCoder

@dot_Sp0T g-block elements is the german wing of Chem

yeah, I'm somewhat of a polyglot

don't try me though, I'm much better in french and chinese

dot_Sp0T

T'parles francaise aussiment?

Green

@dot_Sp0T Can you ping me when you post the new version of your map?

dot_Sp0T

3:20 PM

(I'm too lazy for the accents..)

@Green willco

Green

@dot_Sp0T merci beacoup!

dot_Sp0T

@HDE226868 shall I ping you as well? Also many thanks for having a look at it

HDE 226868

@dot_Sp0T That would be great, thanks.

dot_Sp0T

much obliged

(Yes I hold HDE in some sort of Veneration because they are stupendously smart from what I've read so far)

Green

@dot_Sp0T I respect HDE for their analytical skills, judicious use of power and (s)he is a great person to talk to.

HDE 226868

3:33 PM

Awww, that's sweet, guys. Thanks.

(Also, it's "he". Can confirm.)

dot_Sp0T

@HDE226868 Is that your chosen pronoun?

HDE 226868

@dot_Sp0T Yep.

dot_Sp0T

The chat is quite full

Mephistopheles

So, @HDE226868, could you tell me why I was banned? It's just that I have no idea, I did say that I was the embodiment of a bad user and that my only goal is to make everyone else suffer, but, that's #fakenews, right?

HDE 226868

@Mephistopheles Please re-read the last moderator message you were sent - preferably the ones before that, too.

Mephistopheles

3:47 PM

@HDE226868 Look, I have less going upstairs than a one-story building, and what I wrote didn't ring any alarm bells, but nothing really does for me.

HDE 226868

4:10 PM

@Mephistopheles Here's my advice, and I hope you'll take it:

You've attempted to use humor in some of your questions. This has not gone over well, for a number of reasons. First, it's often inappropriate and/or offensive to people, and that's a major issue. Second, it's extraordinarily distracting, and takes away a lot from the question. I would very much advise cutting out everything extraneous. Boil it down to the bare bones, then post it. Don't add anything unnecessary.

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dot_Sp0T

4:27 PM

I am about to start working the feedbacks into the topo map, where would you expect to find the height numbers?

and how often per topo line?

@Green early ping to make the map just as you always wanted

HDE 226868

How high is the maximum height?

dot_Sp0T

Assuming the topo line around the western lake is relative 0 we get up to +150 or so, and it will thus get 3 fat/darker lines demarking each 50er step

HDE 226868

Every 10 or so might be reasonable.

dot_Sp0T

ah each line represents 10m

but I mean, the lines are long, and some positions on the lines might be better to put down a number at than others, as well as some lines might need multiple labels for ease of reading

(also the numbers will behorribly small

HDE 226868

Oh, right, right.

James

4:37 PM

@HDE226868 Quit telling the plebes they're important...they'll start having...ideas.

4

Green

@dot_Sp0T Hooray! I don't see an update to the Sandbox question but glad to hear you're making progress.

dot_Sp0T

@Green yeah I am just asking about how you want the toponumbers :)

Green

@dot_Sp0T I would expect to find them at fairly regular, though probably long intervals. How ever USGS topo maps have it done, I'd expect the countour labels to appear at the same intervals.

(trying now to find an example to show you)

dot_Sp0T

I've spent until now resolving a bug that is not in our software, or rather finding a workaround that is flexible and dependable - and finally found it; now I allow myself to clock out an hour or so before I get to the work I actually wanted to finish today

James

@dot_Sp0T That's the map makers choice. What topographical scale you use would be dictated by the size/scale of the map and how much detail you want. If its just for say...planning roads over long distances, the scale can be bigger. If I am planning an ambush in a military scenario I want lots and lots of detail.

dot_Sp0T

4:42 PM

@Green say about every 800m (relative to measure) ?

@James nah it's really only about labelling :D

James

Quit treating map-making like statistics!

HDE 226868

@James What, are you saying we'll have a revolution on our hands? Or . . . or . . . democracy?

James

@HDE226868 I admit, I would fear an armed...err...keyboarded? uprising from this group, don't tell them I said that.

Green

@dot_Sp0T something like that.

James

@dot_Sp0T If you've never looked at old US civil war topo maps you should, they make excellent examples.

Green

4:45 PM

My preferences are mostly for visual tracking. I don't want to have to look at the other side of the map to find a contour label.

Secespitus

@James We are all too lazy for a revolution

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dot_Sp0T

Hmm only label every 50m would be even better yes!!

@James i dont know alot civil war stuff aside from the marvel comics

Green

Given the number of contour lines on your map, I think every 50m would work just fine.

James

@dot_Sp0T Check this out loc.gov/resource/g3824g.cw0325000a/…

dot_Sp0T

Lazy facts: did you know that the Swiss vocational law forbids workers from striking?

Green

4:47 PM

@James Created in 1876. Still looks great though.

Gryphon

@dot_Sp0T Is that actually enforced?

Green

@dot_Sp0T How do they protest? What's their ultimate lever of power if management abuses them?

dot_Sp0T

@Gryphon not really no, there's no strikes in Switzerland

Gryphon

@dot_Sp0T Then, same thing as Green said, how do they protest?

James

@Green Civil War battle maps are what made me love maps.

@Gryphon With cheese I assume.

Gryphon

4:50 PM

@James Umm, how does one protest with cheese?

dot_Sp0T

Protests are formally registered in advance with the authority responsible for the area they are held at, and then need to be permitted/approved/sanctioned/authorized. If not authorized they are illegal. They need to enter the route that they will follow if its a march, as well as the expected turnout of protesters. The police will disband it if it is illegal, gets out of hand, or e.g. a turnout is way bigger than estimated

Afaik

Gryphon

Trust the Swiss to regulate and organize protests.

dot_Sp0T

If you want to protest against working conditions you do outside of your working hours. Or you take off. But recently i think the trend moved towards people starting to think the french way is acceptable... Which i despise

Green

@James I got mine from orienteering classes as a teenager. Being able to See the shape of the land, just from curvey lines was amazing.

AndyD273

@dot_Sp0T Turning cars over and setting things on fire?

Aka, the post football special?

dot_Sp0T

4:58 PM

Just remember, Switzerland doesn't really do Unions. If e.g. a Swiss traindriver doesn't turn up to drive the train they are assigned to, because they are protesting somewhere, or even worse: 'striking'. They get fired. Likely without notice. Probably with a heavy fine on top for breaking their contractual obligations as a worker.

@AndyD273 sparingly but happens, mostly to cars of the losing team that are sillily parked in the city of the winning team

E.g. if you have a license plate from Zurich but park your car in Basel, they will scratch off the Football Club Basel sticker on your windshield.

AndyD273

@dot_Sp0T I thought that's what you were referring to when you said "the french way"

dot_Sp0T

@AndyD273 no, I was referring to crippling Paris Gare Centrale by striking 3 days

AndyD273

@dot_Sp0T Seems like a good reason to be neutral and not support support either side. AKA, the swiss maneuver.

dot_Sp0T

on 1st of May there's groups of people with scarfs over their faces, etc. that break windows and cars throughout Zurich - but that's the biggest negative spectacle I know of

@AndyD273 nope, you don't do that haha. Football is important here. People get really upset about their teams

AndyD273

Ah, last week there was supposed to be some kind of fascist protest in DC, except only 10 fascists showed up, then found some place to hide, and the 10,000 anti-fascists that did show up didn't have anyone to fight. So they attacked the police instead. The Swiss way sounds better.

dot_Sp0T

5:03 PM

oh yeah, you only have groups fighting each other at football games

but then you also have police with waterthrowers

Green

@AndyD273 The Swiss way involves a considerable trust that the third-party (the government) will be fair. That kind of trust doesn't exist uniformly in the US.

dot_Sp0T

Looking at crime statistics for Switzerland 2016 right now

(which the federal bureau of statistics publishes as well as almost every other set of numbers you could fancy aside from some military stuff

@Green well, the Swiss populace has a say in each vote that happens; I guess that helps

AndyD273

@Green Mostly because most of the people who report the news only report the parts that they agree with.

dot_Sp0T

We had 3 hostage takings in 2017 apparently

5 forced marriages

236 murders

Green

@AndyD273 That's a small part of it. In general, government operates in the interests of rich people or corporations (in the US, last few decades). Red or Blue, if you see someone acting in someone's interests that aren't you; you'd stop trusting them too.

dot_Sp0T

5:09 PM

:/

well I'm off a bit to map

sorry for bringing up the bleak subject

Green

@dot_Sp0T It's a real thing that happens. Don't worry about it. I've done far worse in this channel.

AndyD273

@dot_Sp0T Hmm, up from 41 in 2016

Gryphon

@AndyD273 That's a really big jump. Like 500%

AndyD273

Brazil had a murder rate of 29% in 2016... that's insane

Gryphon

@AndyD273 Wait, as in 29% of the population was murdered?

Green

5:22 PM

@Gryphon I would definitely have heard about that.

Gryphon

@Green That's what I thought. Which is why I'm asking what @Andy meant.

AndyD273

Green

@AndyD273 That's genocide levels of death.

AndyD273

That blue column is rate, the next one is count

Green

@AndyD273 Probably murders per 10,000 people.

AndyD273

5:28 PM

Maybe it's not a percentage

That make more sense

Still crazy

Gryphon

@Green Yeah, that would make it 0.029%. Which is much more reasonable.

Green

@AndyD273 Yeah. I wonder how many deaths in a population there would need to be before it's not possible to have a group of 150-200 people who don't know someone who's been murdered.

I'm sure there's math to answer that question.

JavaScriptCoder

All but the 149

AndyD273

@Green "UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published", so that count column has to be the actual murder count, not the count per 100,000, since that would be worse

JavaScriptCoder

otherwise you can have a group of 150 who don’t know anyone outside that circle

pigeonhole principle

Green

5:34 PM

Sorry, I meant, in a population of 100,000, how many people will need to die/be murdered from that larger population in order for a minimal social group of 150-200 random people can't not know someone who died/was killed.

JavaScriptCoder

although, in China, I’m 100% sure everyone knows someone who died due to Japanese genocide

AndyD273

@JavaScriptCoder That was a few years ago. I think some people are too young

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How can I keep myself from going crazy while drifting through space? I was a nuclear physicist working in a spaceborne laboratory, in orbit around Saturn. We were working on developing specialized radioactive compounds and chemicals for use in various top-secret experiments, when one of the scie...

AndyD273

TO have known them personally, anyway

JavaScriptCoder

they killed 2x the number of people who died during holocaust

Green

5:35 PM

@AndyD273 right.

JavaScriptCoder

Everyone knows of someone: my grandparents pass the stuff down

It’s like never forget

AndyD273

@JavaScriptCoder China descent, or located in China?

JavaScriptCoder

Lots of China descent people, but it’s impossible to escape in mainland China

Honestly it’s been 50 years

AndyD273

I meant you personally. You mentioned your grandparents passing it down

JavaScriptCoder

Oh, I’m China descent, but lived in China on and off for two or three years

Yeah

AndyD273

5:39 PM

Both my grandfathers fought in WW2, but died when I was young so didn't pass much down that way.

JavaScriptCoder

Some of mine are still alive

Green

@AndyD273 My grandfather was a bomber crew trainer for B-17s in WW2.

JavaScriptCoder

Time for lunch o/

AndyD273

@Green Paternal grandfather was a B-17 pilot. Took my grandma up flying in a when they were dating. Flew under the golden gate bridge... Apparently it worked.

Green

@AndyD273 Man, that's ballsy. If you did that now you'd get jailed forever.

Ah, the joys of looser aerospace regulation

AndyD273

5:45 PM

It's also probably below the radar ceiling. So long as no one catches the tail number... Or maybe people didn't care as much.

Green

@AndyD273 Maybe. I would think that the SF bay area would have radar coverage thick enough to cut with a knife.

Also, there were so many military aircraft doing crazy things, probably no one cared to even look.

AndyD273

Maternal grandfather died before I was born. IIRC he had lung trouble from being gassed.

Green

You know those times when you start working on a problem and you think "CRAP! This hard!" but do a little Googling and find that someone else has already solved your problem and all the small problems you didn't even know you had yet?

I love it when that happens.

Secespitus

@Green I only know this feeling.

Green

@Secespitus I know that feeling too.

AndyD273

5:57 PM

@Secespitus Why I never discourage people from answering dumb questions on SE. Because the next dumb question might be the one you need to solve your problem.

Green

@AndyD273 I have a coworker who asked so many stupid questions on SE that he had his account banned and he had to start another one.

At least, that's what i think I remember him saying. I also have a really low opinion of his technical skill so that probably colors my memories.

Secespitus

@AndyD273 Why do you assume that every difficult to research question is dumb...?

AndyD273

I did say answering. When people say "don't answer stupid questions, it only encourages them".

@Secespitus Why do you assume that's what I'm trying to say?

Secespitus

I post a comic about people not finding answers to their questions that are difficult to research because only few people seem to have had the problem. You respond that answering dumb questions shouldn't be discouraged because I could be the next one to ask such a question to find the solution to a problem I am working on. Therefore you seem to assume that the category of questions I find difficult to research is what you call a dumb question.

dot_Sp0T

well, that escalatored

AndyD273

6:09 PM

@Secespitus The comic didn't specify that it was hard to research, just that the answer wasn't given

Maybe it's just that a lot of the times that I've had that problem I felt the question was something that should be easy, but isn't

Secespitus

@AndyD273 "And there's one result" implies that there is not more to be found. Not a lot stuff to learn about something is difficult to research. If there's tons of material about the error you wouldn't be dependent on the "one result".

Green

6:58 PM

@HDE226868 happy news! I don't think I'm gonna need magnetohydrodynamics after all. Thank goodness.

FoxElemental

The Factory Floor: So many stars every day, you can build a galaxy!

Green

My fluids aren't complicated enough

FoxElemental

@Green In this room that sentence could be taken in quite a number of disturbing ways

A lot of sentences could be, actually

Mithrandir24601

@Green That's one of those words that brings back some horrific memories

dot_Sp0T

@Green @Secespitus @HDE226868 map update on the sandbox

Text & another update with where I would like swamps / bogs will follow in some 2 hours, need to get home first

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

Q. Title: How to prevent the heroes from eliminating The Enemy forever Q. Body: No currently known lifeform would be capable of surviving the murderfest, a JRPG adventurer party would put it through. Most other problems with creating the perfectly generic RPG enemies can be solved by rolling ...

dot_Sp0T

Can anybody with some knowledge about peat bogs tell me if ai conclude correctly that peat bogs hold bigger amounts of sulphur and can, under the right conditions, enrich a stream running through the bog with sulphur? eos.org/research-spotlights/…

James

7:37 PM

@FoxElemental I started playing No Man's Sky. There are lots of stars in that game...lots.

Green

@Mithrandir24601 you're welcome?

Mithrandir24601

@Green Kirimvose Kastor

Green

@dot_Sp0T looking at it now.

dot_Sp0T

how do you like the grid?

Green

You did remove that saddle with the wrong stream. I liked that saddle.

@dot_Sp0T it's super helpful.

I had plans for the saddle at I5-J5.

dot_Sp0T

7:45 PM

@Green sadly I need the stream there

we can get the saddle back if you find a way to have a stream go down there

Green

The mountains in row 0 are much much clearer, thank you.

You're gonna have a very shallow ridge across J3-K3.

dot_Sp0T

I will start doing some research, if you could do research as well I would be glad, goal: Find a way for the stream to at least start after the sattle, e.g. by finding a way to have a continuous spring blasting water out of the rock there

@Green yeah, but somewhere within the 10m that are topo'd

Green

You just want a big waterfall at I5?

That's not too hard.

dot_Sp0T

@Green I want a spring carrying the water from the flatlands above

Mephistopheles

Is it a good idea for me to make a chatroom dedicated to fixing my questions?

dot_Sp0T

7:49 PM

because the flatlands are hopefully going to be a bog, which will add sulphur to the water shooting out of I5

Green

I'd do this. Because you have a big cliff in I5, you can easily say that there's a much harder, non-permeable rock layer there (you'll have to research which one).

The rock layers on top of the cliff face layer are far more permeable. If a depression has formed the non-permeable layer, then water from the upper layers would filter down and collect there.

Even with a saddle above, water could still travel under the saddle to form the spring you want.

AndyD273

@Mephistopheles If you think you can get someone that is willing to put in the time and energy to do that with you

dot_Sp0T

@Green well, it really needs the saddle to not just flow along the top, don't it?

And you'll get your saddle back

Green

High sulphur content will probably require some kind of active vulcanism. Not sure how you'll work that in.

@dot_Sp0T I can draw up the layers if you like.

James

@Mephistopheles It would probably be better to post the questions on the sandbox, or you can bring your question here and chat with us about it.

AndyD273

7:54 PM

@Mephistopheles Alternately, you could just put some into the sandbox, and then LISTEN to the people who give advice.

James

or you can post a meta question about it, that is acceptable as well.

dot_Sp0T

@Green don't need to be that high, just be round. Healthy peat bogs contain bacteria, etc filtering and processing sulfur & other stuff while degrading biomass

Mephistopheles

@James Okay

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Q. Title: How to prevent the heroes from eliminating The Enemy forever Q. Body: No currently known lifeform would be capable of surviving the murderfest, a JRPG adventurer party would put it through. Most other problems with creating the perfectly generic RPG enemies can be solved by rolling ...

dot_Sp0T

I was thinking about having them deposit sulfur over the millennia, and when people start mining the bog they destroy the bacteria and the sulfur gets released and diluted into water, yada yada

I should ask a specific question about that process I guess

Green

@dot_Sp0T have a look at the geology of the area that feeds Silfra fissure in Iceland. Instead of exiting into a lake, just exit to the cliff face.

Sulphur usually gets locked up in other molecules. Stinky smelly sulphur is usually all by itself.

dot_Sp0T

7:58 PM

@Green yeah I gotta release it somehow

James

@dot_Sp0T Dude...are you trying to elicit fart jokes?

dot_Sp0T

The article I linked earlier talked about heat killing the bacteria turning the process around having the bog release sulphur.... as far as I understood

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