The Frying Pan

Jolenealaska

00:14

@PrestonFitzgerald Guess what I just learned?

46

Q: Firefly scenes with Han Solo in the background

Apparently there are many scenes in Firefly where a figurine of Han Solo frozen in carbonite appears in the background. Is there a complete list of all of these scenes?

That makes me smile.

Jolenealaska

00:52

@Cerberus Are you here?

Cerberus

Hi!

Preston Fitzgerald

@jolenealaska hahaha! I hadn't heard of that. Very cool.

Jolenealaska

Isn't that cute! :)

Cerby, I want your take on something.

foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/…

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska My first thought is: ridiculous.

Jolenealaska

@PrestonFitzgerald You probably know this, but it's a fun little factiod. Just before Han gets frozen, Leia tells Han that she loves him. The next line is so perfect, "I know". It was also improved by Harrison Ford.

Cerberus

00:59

Why should the government be involved in this? Judicial overreach.

But this quote makes some sense:

Jolenealaska

@Cerberus Ridiculous that he is forced to bake the cakes?

Cerberus

> The commission affirmed a civil court’s ruling that the bakery cannot discriminate against persons in a public place based on sexual orientation.

@Jolenealaska Yes, and the other punishments.

This ^ quote kind of has a point.

The thing is, if just a few shops are doing this, I would say, let it go: it is not an actual, big problem that the state should be involved in. However, if many shops did this, it would be quite horrible for the discriminated party.

So I am on the fence.

logophobe

oh my. politics.

Cerberus

I would probably fine the shopkeeper €500 or so and then forget about it.

What should have done is just decline without specifying a reason.

Hello!

Jolenealaska

I am so adamantly against bigotry that I want to hit the dude, but I just can't see forcing the issue like this.

Cerberus

01:02

@Jolenealaska Yeah, something like that.

logophobe

@Cerberus the issue is typically the reasoning they apply for WHY they discriminate

often that's done on "sincerely held religious beliefs"

Cerberus

Some bigotry should be allowed, as long as the discriminated party is not inconvenienced too much.

@logophobe Oh, I couldn't care less about their reason to discriminate people.

What counts is how they treat people.

If they hate gays for whatever reason but treat them nicely, that's fine—that is, the state should not be involved.

Jolenealaska

I don't see requiring a baker to make cakes quite the same way I see "get to the back of the bus".

Cerberus

Because you are not inconvenienced that much if one or two bakers in town refuse to bake your cake.

logophobe

what if they are the only bakers in your town?

Cerberus

01:04

@Jolenealaska If the baker's guild decided to boycott your wedding cake, however, that would be different.

logophobe

what if doctors were allowed to refuse service in the same way?

Cerberus

@logophobe Maybe then it's different.

logophobe

yep, and that's the point. it's the state's job to legislate and say when and why it's different

Cerberus

@logophobe If they can bring in some other doctor who will treat them, and noöne is inconvenienced, then I guess I don't care that much. It is a small inconvenience for the hospital, however, so I would say that should be grounds for firing this doctor if the hospital wants to.

@logophobe Exactly.

So an incident does not warrant state involvement, usually, I would say.

Only if it becomes a common or serious problem.

Civil servants here are now forced by law to be willing to marry gay couples. If they refuse, they must be fired.

Jolenealaska

Part of the issue for me is that the guy has a right to his neanderthal thinking.

Cerberus

01:08

I'm not sure I like that...although I guess civil servants should be under stricter scrutiny and be held to higher standards.

@Jolenealaska Yes, as long as he does not inconvenience others too much.

Jolenealaska

The key there is "Civil".

logophobe

civil servants most definitely, because they're working as agents of the state

Cerberus

Yeah.

Still, I usually prefer the state to only be involved if there is an actual problem that people suffer from.

logophobe

I think the thing for me, and this is something that the article doesn't cover, is exactly why he refused to serve them

if he refused to make a cake because it depicted a penis or something else that he found objectionable, that's one thing

Cerberus

Why does that matter so much?

Haha.

Jolenealaska

01:09

If a priest is made by the state to marry a gay couple, I'd be appalled by that.

Cerberus

@logophobe That seems unlikely.

@Jolenealaska Priest can marry couples?

They cannot do so here, it is a legal thing.

Jolenealaska

Perform the marriage ceremony.

Cerberus

They can of course provide a service in their church, sure. But not the legal ceremony.

logophobe

they do have a legal right to officiate here

Cerberus

Really??

Preston Fitzgerald

01:11

Yes.

Cerberus

I thought you had such a strict separation between church and state!

logophobe

sure; people still need paperwork from the state to make it official and legal

haha

if only

Cerberus

I mean, a priest is not a civil servant, right?

Jolenealaska

Yes, the document that makes it legal is a state thing, the ceremony is binding though.

Preston Fitzgerald

Lol @cerebrus been talking to Ben Franklin lately?

Cerberus

01:12

Have I?

@Jolenealaska It is strange that a religious ceremony should be legally binding, give you tax benefits and such...

logophobe

there are certain groups within this country that have always sought to undermine that separation

Preston Fitzgerald

Separation of church and state is a dream. An ideal many Americans want.

Cerberus

Right.

Preston Fitzgerald

But it's not protected. Other than by protest and letter writing.

Cerberus

Until recently, we had a Christian party that refused to allow women to be elected in parliament.

Jolenealaska

01:13

I'd just assume separate the planet from religion, but that's just me.

Cerberus

Hehe. Same.

logophobe

ah, delightful

Preston Fitzgerald

We still swear on bibles in our courts and pay out money emblazoned with a prayer

grumble

And pray every morning. To our flags. In public education.

Jolenealaska

Most jurisdictions have dispensed with the Bible thing.

Cerberus

@PrestonFitzgerald So do we!

logophobe

01:14

or be forced to sit through sermons at public school events

Cerberus

But at least that is just symbolic, no legal power.

logophobe

that one's more common than you might think

Preston Fitzgerald

My football team in high school started each game with the Lords Prayer. I was so confused. I'd never even heard it before I moved there.

Cerberus

(We don't swear on the Bible, but people get to pick between swearing and promising, swearing being understood as religious.)

logophobe

lol, now THAT seems like an odd distinction to me

Cerberus

01:15

@logophobe Hmm well, it's hard to check what happens in every school in the country...

Preston Fitzgerald

Football without the feet. Oblong ball.

logophobe

AmericaBall

Preston Fitzgerald

:D

Hey now. Some Canadians try to play too.

logophobe

"try" being the operative word

Cerberus

@logophobe It is odd. It used to be swearing only, long ago; but them promising was added as a secular alternative at some point. And it has remained that way, because...well, I don't know, so we can identify which people are still Christian hehe.

Preston Fitzgerald

01:16

"Hut, eh?"

logophobe

it's ok, some Americans try to play hockey

Cerberus

@logophobe Haha I love that one.

Preston Fitzgerald

Haha. Indeed. I'm a huge hockey fan. I wish is been exposed to it when I was younger.

logophobe

@Cerberus where is this, out of curiosity?

Cerberus

I presume by hockey you mean field hockey? arches eyebrows

@logophobe Holland.

Preston Fitzgerald

01:17

Lol.

Cerberus

You Canada?

logophobe

nearly

Cerberus

Ah.

Jolenealaska

We have a really fun Hockey tradition here too. Go Aces!

Cerberus

Greenland?

Canada is right next to Alaska, of course...

logophobe

01:18

no, northern midwest in the US

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Preston Fitzgerald

@Jolenealaska I knew the quote but not that it was improvised. Fantastic.

Cerberus

Practically Canada.

logophobe

there are many Canadians amongst us

Preston Fitzgerald

I wish chat functionality was built into the SE mobile app.

Cerberus

01:19

Hmm can you easily tell them apart?

@PrestonFitzgerald Yes!!

Although the mobile website works fairly well for chat.

Preston Fitzgerald

Their heads are split in half horizontally.

Cerberus

@PrestonFitzgerald Upon discovery?

logophobe

@Cerberus all Canadians are armed with hockey sticks when they cross the border

Preston Fitzgerald

It could be worse for sure.

Cerberus

@logophobe Ah, I see. And drenched in maple syrup?

Preston Fitzgerald

01:20

Hot.

logophobe

they SECRETE maple syrup

Cerberus

Ew.

logophobe

I know, right?

Cerberus

I prefer my maple syrup to come from...jars.

Not pores.

logophobe

I suppose @Jolenealaska would know better than any of us

Cerberus

01:21

She's not super close to Canada...

logophobe

um

I might be assuming that the name is a current status

Jolenealaska

Yes, but Anchorage is a long way from the border.

It's a kind of big state.

logophobe

that's fair

Jolenealaska

405 Road miles.

logophobe

I might actually be closer to the border than you

Cerberus

01:25

Yay!

Jolenealaska

You're St Paul? Yes, you are significantly closer.

logophobe

yes, though it's still quite a hike

probably about the length of... well... Holland

Jolenealaska

But not by road, there is a big ass lake in the way.

logophobe

what, here? nah, there's a coastal road

Jolenealaska

I'm not seeing a straight route though. It looks like you'd have to go through Thunder Bay.

logophobe

01:32

that you do, and the Canadians punish you for it

there is a paper mill just south of Thunder Bay, so if you want to drive through they try to fend you off with the smell

or at least there was last time I made the drive

Jolenealaska

Still only 300 miles, so closer for you to get poutine, than for me.

logophobe

ahaha, that's the advantage of having so many Canadians here - so many places serve great poutine

Jolenealaska

I'll never forget my first drive up here. I stopped at a Canadian diner to eat. The reaction I got when I asked what poutine was was precious.

logophobe

I'm sure they were delighted to explain

I have to admit, the first time it was described to me I thought it would be unspeakably disgusting

I've repented now, obviously

Jolenealaska

3 guys ran out of the diner to look at my license plate:)

logophobe

01:44

lol

what about Alaskan regional cuisine?

Jolenealaska

I'm not sure if they were expecting Iowa or Mars.

Moose stew and a lot of smoked salmon.

logophobe

hmmm, moose?

what's the term for moose meat? is there one, like "venison"?

Jolenealaska

Yep. You can even get on the road-kill registry and have the carcass delivered.

logophobe

oh, good lord. I can't imagine any car killing a moose

a semi trailer, maybe

Jolenealaska

Nope, just moose meat as far as I know. I'm sure there are native words, but only "moose" in English.

Many, many moose get killed every year on our highways. People die that way too.

logophobe

01:49

well yeah

that's like hitting a wall made of meat

that's a LOT of animal

Jolenealaska

They're top heavy. They go right through the windshield.

logophobe

oof

I find it admirable that you find an efficient way to recycle your dead moose (mooses? meese?)

there's even a registry! how organized

Jolenealaska

Yep. And if no one is close enough, it goes to the closest food bank.

logophobe

now that is a very clever notion

we see dead deer all over the place here

and I for one love venison

Jolenealaska

That's a shame. It's only food for a while.

SHIT!

logophobe

01:55

speaking of food, I take it?

Jolenealaska

I forgot that I had stashed a baking pan with a plastic lid in the oven.

logophobe

:O

Jolenealaska

I just made a big fucking mess.

logophobe

oh noes

Jolenealaska

It's melted all over the floor of my oven.

logophobe

01:57

that is awful

Jolenealaska

'cause of course I had the lid under the pan

logophobe

ugh

what kind of plastic? that rubbery tupperware stuff?

Jolenealaska

Well, I'll scrape up what I can. Hopefully the self clean cycle will do the rest. Yeah, like tupperware.

logophobe

maybe if you let it cool a bit, you can peel it off

Jolenealaska

SHIT, SHIT, SHIT

logophobe

01:59

ugh, how horrible :(

Jolenealaska

And STUPID!

logophobe

it happens

at least you didn't injure yourself

Jolenealaska

Nope, I'm not finishing the wasabi peas.

logophobe

a couple years ago I had a roast or something pan-roasting in the oven

and I took the pan out, without an oven mitt of course

I wound up with a two-inch blister on my palm, and of course we had no burn cream or anything

so. at least it was the plastic, and not you.

Jolenealaska

The classic for that is using a pan with a handle in the oven. It's such an instant thing to grab that handle, forgetting that it's hot.

logophobe

02:04

yep

the other classic is hanging on for some reason until you get it to the stovetop

Jolenealaska

I had my very first kitchen injury to require medical attention last month. I tried to take off a chunk of thumb with a mandolin.

logophobe

yow

Jolenealaska

It gave 'red"onions a whole new meaning.

logophobe

haha

Jolenealaska

The doctor said that my wound smelled of onions!

logophobe

02:08

delightful

I'm sure that felt great too

Jolenealaska

He also wanted to know what the hell I was doing chopping onions at 5am.

logophobe

uh, well

have to give him credit for a valid question

Jolenealaska

A while ago I needed to get someone a file from my computer.

His internet was down.

I had no removable media but the card from my camera.

"Why do you have 3000 pictures of food?"

Cheaper than porn?

logophobe

sounds familiar

I also have to wade through dozens of pictures of wine labels every time I want to show someone a real photo

because it's the easiest way to keep track

I still want to know why you were cutting onions at 5am, though

Jolenealaska

My waking hours are not what anyone would consider normal. That's one of the reasons I miss @SAJ14SAJ, he's as much of an insomniac as I am.

logophobe

02:15

still AWOL, eh?

Jolenealaska

Yep

logophobe

well. I'm busy stealing all his rep

Jolenealaska

I see that. I think I see you the way SAJ saw me.

logophobe

which is starting to become something of a personal problem. do you ever get frustrated that people aren't posting more damn questions?

how's that?

Jolenealaska

Yep. I wish the board were more active. However, asking and answering your own question is encouraged.

12

Q: How deeply will the flavors in a brine penetrate chicken? (experiment results)

I'm not asking about salt or "juiciness". I think there is enough evidence here and elsewhere to answer that question with "pretty deep, or all the way to the bone". My question concerns spices and other flavorings in the brine. I want to know not only how far the flavors can go, but also what qu...

chicken brining chemistry

logophobe

02:18

I've been trying to come up with a really good question, honestly, but everytime I think I've got one I run a few searches and stumble across a duplicate

I thought I had a really good one about the benefits of copper cookware the other day....

Jolenealaska

Oh yeah, it happens to me all the time.

logophobe

and most of the experimentation I do these days is booze-related. still trying to figure out how that fits in with the charter

Jolenealaska

I'm actually doing a booze experiment right now.

logophobe

???

I'm doing one in my mouth but I don't think that counts

Jolenealaska

Jun 1 at 1:08, by Jolenealaska

Say I come up with 10.5% alcohol from vodka in water gets perfectly slushy and stays slushy at 0F.

There's more, click on the date/time.

logophobe

02:24

ah, yes, the Phrostie thing

Jolenealaska

Yep. The guy is full of shit that his 50%+ alcohol recipe gets slushy.

logophobe

well.... 40%

yeah, not a significant difference, I'll grant you that

where did the 10% target that you're working with come from?

stizzle84

Hi

logophobe

bonjour

Jolenealaska

I get the 10% from the recipe linked in the other question and from other online sources that point to 10% or 20 proof. Nothing very concrete, hence the experimentation.

Hi Stizzle

My oven in real time:

logophobe

02:32

:((((((((((((((

LAME

Jolenealaska

I am not amused.

logophobe

well at this point, just let it cook and use a grill brush or something

*cool

Jolenealaska

Hmmm. It seems to be coming right off. Had to take a break, too much bending over.

I'll be damned.

Cerberus

03:18

What are you doing, Jo-Jo?

Experimenting with molten plastic?

Jolenealaska

Apparently!

Cerberus

Perhaps you should also wash the parts that touched the molten plastic: who knows what substances are released upon melting?

Jolenealaska

I'm going to run the self clean cycle. That should take care of it.

Which means I have to microwave my dinner :( Oh well, I'll survive even this.

Preston Fitzgerald

@cerebrus imgur.com/tW9FVTl

Jolenealaska

Yum!

Preston Fitzgerald

03:21

:D something from nothing

imgur.com/urO87oa

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska I suppose that may work...

Jolenealaska

Looks better than my molted plastic.

Cerberus

@PrestonFitzgerald It's Cerberus!

Ohh delicious!!

I want!

Are your guests there yet?

@Jolenealaska Yes, slightly better. Though I'm sure the plastic has great artistic value.

Jolenealaska

I just got a message that a slightly risque message here was flagged as offensive.

That made me look for something else. @Cerberus, one of your comments was deleted.

Well!

Isn't that only done by moderators? What moderator here would delete that??

We know it wasn't Rummi, she was here.

Cerberus

03:49

@Jolenealaska Oh, no! Which comment? Why?

Do you mean comment, or chat line?

I can't think of anything more risqué than usual that I have said recently.

Jolenealaska

The fuck fuck shit shit thing. When we were discussing movie ratings. Funny pulled out of context, but absolutely non-offensive. (IMO)

Cerberus

Ohh that.

Jolenealaska

Gone

Cerberus

Right, well, people are not known for their intelligence or diligence (they could have looked at the context).

Mana

what a shame

Jolenealaska

03:52

That bugs me.

Cerberus

But I don't care.

Hey Mana.

Mana

hey dude.

what's cookin'?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..............

Cerberus

Hilarious!

Jolenealaska

I don't want to hang around with someone with such a bug up their ass that they will flag a comment like that in chat.

Cerberus

It may have been a lurker.

It happens.

Mana

03:54

people make mistakes

Cerberus

We've even had people in EL&U banned for saying stuff that was completely fine in context.

Like when I was banned for saying "Iphones are gay".

Jolenealaska

Main is different. I have 42 flags to my name.

Cerberus

Haha.

Main...what is Main? Stack Overflow chat?

Jolenealaska

Iphones are gay.

Cerberus

Watch out!

You could be next.

I was only banned for an hour or so.

rfusca

03:57

@Matthew thanks.. I think :)

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska It even became a meme in the English room: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=Iphones+are+gay&room=95 Now you're part of it...

@Jolenealaska Oh fuck, now someone flagged this line.

Jolenealaska

Holy crap!

Cerberus

I clicked "invalid", but now it says I flagged it??

Jolenealaska

I don't believe it.

Mana

Don't panic, everything's fine.

Cerberus

03:59

I swear, I saw it in a blue bubble.

Mana

the flags have been invalidated.

Cerberus

I clicked invalid.

Jolenealaska

No, pressing invalid is the right thing.

Cerberus

But it now says "you flagged this message"!

Jolenealaska

I got it too.

Cerberus

04:00

Huh, now it doesn't.

The flags have disappeared?

Mana

Yes, I invalidated them.

Cerberus

@Mana What ghost is this, flagging us?

Jolenealaska

I'm bringing it up in Meta.

Cerberus

@Mana Thanks!

Jolenealaska

Get your own damned internet.

Mana

04:01

I think there are safeguards in place to prevent people from flagging if they get invalidated too often.

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska Haha exactly!

@Mana I'm sure there are!

Mana

I don't think making a meta thread will really help to fix the problem, so probably best to just let it take care of itself.

Jolenealaska

Does it take a SA moderator to delete a comment in the Frying Pan?

Mana

I believe it's any Stack Exchange mod, yeah.

oh, well unless it's flagged

then 10k users can approve the flag and get it wiped.

Jolenealaska

Ah, well that's different then. Still pisses me off though.

Mana

04:09

Don't worry about it.

Sometimes some silly stuff happens, but like...it's just text in a chatroom.

Jolenealaska

I don't like it.

I really wish we had PM.

I think I know exactly who did it, and why. That's OK, I wouldn't hold it against him, but I'd like to be able to say my piece. (Or peace? Which is correct?)

rfusca

I did it, because I used to be a mod. And the rule was, flag anything that isn't appropriate for the front page of a newspaper.

New person walks in room - they see that in the cooking room - bam, new user gone.

Jolenealaska

Well, I was right on both counts.

rfusca

nothing personal

Jolenealaska

Me neither.

I don't think that certain words are taboo. I think we give those words too much power when we try to eliminate them. But as I said, that's only my opinion.

My favorite movie of all time is The Shawshank Redemption.

rfusca

04:26

I think that's naive. Words have meaning. Words evoke feelings. You can't expect to use a set of works that commonly invoke a set of feelings and get upset if they do.

Jolenealaska

Sterilize it, and it becomes a 7.

But that's the point of the words.

rfusca

So you want to walk some line between power and 'too much power'

stackoverflow.com/help/behavior

"Please note that expletives are not allowed. If you use expletives on this site, you may be issued a warning or a suspension."

Jolenealaska

I want to be able to use the words as I see fit. I don't generally cuss in front of children, but I know full well that they already know the words. That a kid could come here and see language that they're not accustomed to doesn't frighten me.

Even on the main sites, there are well established exceptions. In chat, we are grown-ups talking among ourselves.

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska By the way, newspapers here print fuck, even on the front page.

rfusca

@Jolenealaska not all grownups resort to as Jeff Atwood puts it "lowest common denominator cursing"

on that note, i'm off to a more civilized place. ciao

Cerberus

04:39

> Fuck the EU A recent example. This is our most respectable newspaper.

Jolenealaska

I don't do that.

Cerberus

Ciao.

Jolenealaska

I pick and choose my cussing.

Taking off Cerby?

Oh got it. Nevermind.

Cerberus

> Ik geloof niet dat ik kan neuken met mijn been in deze toestand Neuken is Dutch for "fuck", and even more taboo, I would say. I never or hardly ever use the word.

The same newspaper.

Jolenealaska

@rfusca Please know that I don't want to be argumentative.

Cerberus

04:42

@Jolenealaska I am, in fact.

It's bed time!

Jolenealaska

G'night.

Cerberus

You too, eventually!

Jolenealaska

He seems pissed.

Not you.

Jolenealaska

05:17

Hi @BESW

BESW

[wave] What's new?

Jolenealaska

Hmpf. Look up.

BESW

Mm. You don't want me to weigh in on that.

Jolenealaska

I want a world that doesn't care about such things. No country, no religion too.

No one to live or die for...

I think I'll go watch Star Trek.

BESW

Lexx has more profanity.

Jolenealaska

05:25

Star Trek suits my mood. Perhaps The Inner Light. I love that one.

Preston Fitzgerald

07:25

Wait. Did I miss a scolding. Are we not allowed to curse any more?

Jolenealaska

Ha! That depends upon who you ask.'

Preston Fitzgerald

Damnit

ElendilTheTall