The DMZ

makerofthings7

18:00

Does anyone know how to figure out what phone company "has" a phone number?

I let my local telco service expire, and now I changed my mind and want my # back

AviD

that would be different in different countries...

makerofthings7

USA/ NYC...

212 567 exchange

AviD

say what you will about government interference, but here there is a law that you can keep your number even if you switch telco provider.

Scott Pack

Call up Global Crossings and beg

AviD

by law they must move your number over.

Scott Pack

18:02

@AviD That's called Number Portability. We have something similar.

For cell phones you are allowed to take your number with you to new providers.

makerofthings7

It's no longer "mine" .. it's lost in the "ether" and been unused for quite some time.

AviD

@ScottPack ah yeah? Thought that didnt exist in U.S.

Scott Pack

However, it does not say that the company must give it to you if you sign a new contract within the saem company

TildalWave

@D3C4FF wow your first 200+ rep per day and a mortarboard badge. Congrats! :)

Scott Pack

Yeah, it's been about a decade since that happened.

makerofthings7

18:04

That is exactly what I want to do... light it up (somehow) and port it to a mobile device.

Scott Pack

Unless it's been reassigned it probably "belongs" to your local RBAC

lynks

im resisting having a massive comment rant

Scott Pack

errr...RBOC

lynks

@lynks the problem with grep, awk and sed is that these tools are not user friendly enough. My other team members need to be able to easily view and compare the results. — Francois Valiquette 4 mins ago

grep is one of the most user friendly tools i am aware of.

Thomas Pornin

@lynks Would the rant have a non-negligible probability to educate your honourable interlocutor ? No. Would the rant make you happier ? No. So let it pass...

TildalWave

18:18

LOL someone thought of the banana diagram as too personal :)

AviD

@lynks that would really depend on what type of user is being considered.

Antony Vennard

@lynks Resist. At times like those, I simply ignore SE entirely for a bit.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD The type of user considered here is someone who is assumed to be able to read and understand results from nmap. Arguably, if that person cannot cope with the complexity of grep usage, there is something amiss.

Antony Vennard

Furthermore, I am of the opinion the barrier to commenting is too low, which can be fixed, and that many a user comments before thinking, which probably cannot be fixed.

AviD

@ThomasPornin oh, surely. I wasnt referring to the context of the original comment, rather the statement that grep is one of the most user friendly tools i am aware of.

I merely pointed out that stating that anything is "user friendly" implies a consideration as to the type of user.

lynks

18:25

@ThomasPornin @AviD it just troubles me that it seems the vast majority of new blood in tech has none of the basic skills, only knows one hipster language, and has no interest in learning.

Scott Pack

@lynks I agree. Ruby is the problem.

Antony Vennard

@lynks WAT? Excuse me, I only know ruby, but I want to write the next facebook!

lynks

:P I'm glad you guys understand completely :)

Scott Pack

Personally, I think it's hilarious we both picked Ruby as the language to mock.

AviD

@ScottPack well, he said hipster, and that universally brings Ruby to mind.

Antony Vennard

18:31

@ScottPack Most of the people I know who write ruby are either a CEO or a CTO or an Entrepreneur, or a Serial Entrepreneur.

lynks

my god if it was my job to interview people..."CISSP? thats great, now can you just tell me how you would parse this text file...no you cant install emacs plugins...no writing a ruby program is not an option...yeah perl is ok...no eclipse isnt installed...

2

Antony Vennard

And every single one of them, without fail, is building a beautiful app that will revolve around you.

Scott Pack

@AntonyVennard What's wrong with cereal?

lynks

@AntonyVennard i hate those people

Antony Vennard

@ScottPack I never said there was anything wrong with cereal, I simply pointed out that everyone I know who writes ruby is going to take over the world.

Thomas Pornin

18:32

@lynks Only the last part ("no interest in learning") is really an issue -- but it is a big one.

AviD

@lynks by the way, this problem (other than the hipstery part) is not really limited to new blood. This is true for the majority of our entire industry.

Google for "why can't programmers... program?" for example.

lynks

@ThomasPornin you're right, but the issue for me is that people seem to approach tech from a completely different angle now. its like, they spend one weekend writing scala and suddenly they're mr computer scientist. when I think of the decades of experience I (in my meager career) have already built up about so many things they have never ever heard of...

Scott Pack

@lynks Don't forget. This guy has a CISSP. His intent for getting the certificate was to get an entry level position in Information Security

Abdu

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Antony Vennard

@AviD Seconded. I once had a colleague, let's call him George, who moaned because Eclipse and Java were "not as good" as .net/Visual Studio. Whilst I agree the first thing eclipse does is EatRAM() and Initialize20BillionAbstractions(), honestly, C# and Java aren't that far apart. If you know one, you almost know the other.

lynks

at least i have somewhere to rant

AviD

18:36

@AntonyVennard superficially.

Antony Vennard

To put it into context, George was 35+.

@AviD Oh ok alright there are differences when you get down to it, but if you can't write a for loop in both languages, or figure out packages...

lynks

@AntonyVennard as long as he was aware that C/vim > all, then all is forgiven.

AviD

the internals are very different, once you move past the concepts of "VM", "managed memory" and "semi-compiled code".

@AntonyVennard oh, for sure. Syntax is almost identical, save for "special cases". (such as C# unsafe code, lambdas, linq, Spring annotations, and a few other additions - but almost all of these are not core to the language anyway...)

Antony Vennard

@AviD Yep and the odd function or naming or way of working. Our work didn't involve anything really outside of the basic language.

Except for libraries, but, I mean, they're easy. Just add jar to classpath, off you go. No worries. Not like C++. Ever tried to link a DLL built with a different version of VC++ to your project? Bad Things(tm) happen.

lynks

@ScottPack "Currently studying TCP/IP and Wireshark" I'm even more angry now :P

Antony Vennard

18:41

Caveat for pedants: if you end up invoking any C++ features.

AviD

But on the other hand, we keep insisting that knowing syntax is trivial for any but the most inexperienced (or incompetent) developers. Picking up a new syntax is something that should be possible within a day or two, learning the language's internals, patterns and idiosyncracies are what take a lot of experience.

Scott Pack

@lynks Tell me about it. Stud.

But hey, he's a CEH

Antony Vennard

@AviD true, but I think the point was about desire to learn. If you care to learn, learning a new syntax is easy. The rest you should be able to learn by engaging with your colleagues (what's the best way to...) and reading everything you can find about the language.

Obviously, you need some experience.

AviD

@AntonyVennard Syntactically, C++ wouldnt be so bad if it werent for macros, overriding, and the like.

Incredibly verbose, sure. Like talking to an autisitic 6 year old, possibly. But not quite the work of the devil.

Antony Vennard

Basically, @ThomasP is right. Unwillingness to learn is a big, big issue.

(Although, I will still privately mock people who dream of building the next big web thing in Ruby).

AviD

18:45

@AntonyVennard Of course!

But not as much as we mock those who dream of building a big anything in PHP. :D

Rory Alsop

Evening All!

lynks

@AviD FizzBuzz 3 mins C and it compiled first time :P

Scott Pack

@Rory!

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Scott!

AviD

@lynks read @JeffA's followup... you're missing the point.

Antony Vennard

18:49

@ScottPack You just ambiguously Roried. I think that may annoy the other Rory.

Scott Pack

@AntonyVennard Autocomplete only found a single Rory

Rory Alsop

@Scott - Have been a bit busy in the evenings recently - had some visiting Resistance L8s so have been running around popping them off on my way home

Scott Pack

I'm not concerned.

AviD

for any but the most inexperienced / incompetent programmers, it shouldnt take more than that.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Nice.

AviD

18:50

It shouldnt even be an issue.

Rory Alsop

@AntonyVennard Other Rory is really very nice and mild-mannered :-)

AviD

It is nothing to be proud of.

lynks

@AviD i was just happy that it compiled and ran first time :)

@AviD in leafpad

AviD

leafpad....?

sounds like something that you should be excited if you get hello world to compile the first time... ;-)

lynks

@AviD im kidding, i do see your point

Scott Pack

18:51

@RoryAlsop We've had, all of a sudden, some higher enough level Enlightened join us. We've got a pretty stinking big field going on now, but most of the portals are still blue.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Hang on - need to go and see on the intel map.

AviD

@ScottPack maybe tell them a funny story. That should cheer them up.

Rory Alsop

@AviD hahaha

@ScottPack you're in Georgia, right? Or is it one of the other Athenseseses

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Ohio

Rory Alsop

dammit

now I need to browse all the way over there

AviD

18:53

so, yeah. Never thought I'd be reading an Intel CPU datasheet.

Rory Alsop

@AviD hipster

AviD

(well, except for back when I was doing their security reviews...)

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Wow, so a lot's changed since lunch. We're not looking nearly so green right now.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Just the datasheet ? Not the complete manual ?

AviD

actually just looking for some voltaging details.

@ThomasPornin hmm, yeah, I think its that.

@ThomasPornin intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/…

Rory Alsop

18:55

@ScottPack hahaha - none more green

AviD

@ThomasPornin actually had a question for you about that - why would I need to use the AESIMC instruction?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack I blame vptimmy

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Ah, you are looking for the optimal voltage, which will make the CPU suffer the most without actually killing it ? I like this thinking.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop This entire area used to be several overlapping blue fields. So, yeah, we're making headway.

AviD

@ThomasPornin Pretty much :D

Scott Pack

18:56

@RoryAlsop It's definitely him. I don't know who that guy is, but he just seems to drive around whacking everything.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack students! His res placement is shocking :-)

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop hmm?

AviD

@ThomasPornin actually optimal is a tradeoff between: (1) effect on performance, (2) stability (3) heat (4) power usage. In that order.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Look where his res is on the Bicentennial of the Northwest

far too close. Same with the Sundial and the gateway

AviD

and apparently some voltages affect the stable range of other voltages. so theres that.

Scott Pack

18:58

@RoryAlsop I don't think I know what you mean

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack You know to always walk as far away from the portal as possible before placing your res. This makes it much harder for an attacker to XMP'em

nealmcb

@AviD Re: Ingress - Don't accuse the factions of taking it religiously - that's sort of like dissing a sports team because they have some crazy fans. I've seen lots of passion but nothing ruder than trash-talking. I have seen folks having good fun playing roles, and I have heard of an occasional individual who goes overboard, and of course there are assholes like always.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Ah, so the burst radius covers fewer. Sure, that makes sense.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack yup

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop How can you see how far away they are?

AviD

18:59

@nealmcb of course.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack here's the sneaky bit - there are a few plugins for the intel map. They also show where people have attacked or placed res recently, so you can track them

I'll send you a link

Scott Pack

Oh cool

nealmcb

But I find the storyline behind it fascinating. It is helping folks grapple with what the signgularity will/would mean.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD: aesimc is used to compute the subkeys for decryption. It is handy if you often switch keys and you use the block cipher in decryption mode.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack and @nealmcb github.com/breunigs/ingress-intel-total-conversion and the plugins github.com/breunigs/ingress-intel-total-conversion/tree/…

Thomas Pornin

19:02

If you use CTR, or a mode based on CTR (e.g. GCM or EAX), then you never need to use the block cipher in decryption mode, and therefore have no use for aesimc.

AviD

ah! I see, thanks.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop That 404ed for me. I think you mean github.com/jonatkins/ingress-intel-total-conversion

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb yes - I am only recently catching up on this. Was playing for two months before realising nianticproject website existed

@ScottPack Oooh - good point. Need to update the Enlightened Scotland tips and tricks page

@ScottPack it also colour codes portals so you can see their health, gives you distance circles for your links and a whole lot of other good stuff

And tells you how much AP is available for each side - eg when I zoom in on the campus, I see 34k available for us, and 5k available for smurfs

nealmcb

Lore: niantic.schlarp.com/investigation:characters:lore

AviD

@RoryAlsop if you call them smurfs, what do they call you? Telletubbies?

Rory Alsop

19:09

@AviD frogs/toads

nealmcb

For security or puzzle fans who don't like walking or don't feel drawn to one faction or the other, Ingress has a regular stream of puzzles that yield clues that get folks gear in the game. E.g. Niantic (google) will post images with odd metadata or low-contrast features that can be decoded into codes for use in the game.

AviD

@nealmcb havent read all the way thru (looks very interesting!), but if XM can influence and inspire the human mind, anything they discover about it, from that point forward, should be subject to skepticsm. Even the skepticsm should be viewed suspiciously.

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb our crypto guys have got us some great stuff. I have an L8 Portal Cube waiting to be used sometime - from one of the puzzles

AviD

@RoryAlsop ah. Is there any room for a 3rd party? Unaffiliated? Anarchists?

Rory Alsop

@AviD not yet, but who knows...

AviD

19:11

We could choose red as our color, and you guys can all call us telletubbies.

We dont care which side wins, we just want to Burn your planet.

nealmcb

@AviD Of course there is. The whole world, real and cyber, is an opportunity for folks to build on top of it and create emergent phenomena, including new styles of play, new rules for subcultures, new alliances and factions, etc. Emergent phenomena. An API seems to be in the works. Opportunities galore.

AviD

oooo....

now we just need support on non-android platforms ;-)

nealmcb

@RoryAlsop +1

Rory Alsop

@AviD plus.google.com/u/1/+Ingress/posts/BKstTLkyUxo

that is from our big battle - not long after I started

nealmcb

@AviD Yup. Skepticism is always in order. Like what are they doing with all that data on how people move around the cool places in the world.

AviD

19:14

(oops that should have been planet, not world.)

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb - did you say there was a public writeup

of the Wallace Monument Klue battle?

AviD

@nealmcb hahaha, I meant in-game lore, but yeah that too.

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb and possibly also who connects with who in person (ie for L8 portals), how far people will travel, battery life and connectivity stats etc

AviD

hmm, wanna pop up a question on the site regarding privacy implications from ingress? It would go ballistictrain.

Rory Alsop

@AviD could be fun!

@ScottPack - for more info: iitc.jonatkins.com

has some documentation etc

nealmcb

19:19

@AviD Well, anyone can go ballistic speculating about the evil any site or app could do. I'm not sure what the useful / relevant question would be.

Rory Alsop

@AviD Why not - I'll go do it now

I have one

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Going through docs now. I installed the plugins but they don't seem to be in use.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack count one infraction @ScottPack for ambiguous Rory'ing :op

Rory Alsop

If it's crap, feel free to (what's the opposite of reptrain) me

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Whatevs

Antony Vennard

19:20

@RoryAlsop Offensive flags?

AviD

@nealmcb exactly. perfect fodder for a reptrain.

Rory McCune

@TerryChia it's my missus that has the montage of Windows CD's. She's got all of them apart from (AFAIK) ME

nealmcb

@AviD And reputation whoring is.... "useful"? "relevant"?

AviD

ah, thats right - the fellows here have been trying to suss out the formula in creating a super-popular question. Good for rep, good for bringing in new users, good for badges, and especially good for rep for the answerers.

Antony Vennard

@RoryMcCune that's okay, Windows ME wasn't very good anyway.

Rory McCune

19:22

@AntonyVennard this is true...

AviD

@nealmcb no, not at all. We've discovered that one attribute of a reptrain question is that it typically a very poor question, but not quite closable.

Antony Vennard

It's not for nothing it is sometimes referred to as "Mistake Edition".

nealmcb

Ahh - I see Ingress has already been discussed here :)

3

Q: Ingress RFC1918 spoofing: How to handle it?

I've seen packets originating from RFC1918 addresses from two fairly large european ISP's (ASN1257 & smaller ASN35706) coming in on eBGP transit links lately, and I'm a bit puzzled why it wouldn't be dropped by an ACL first entrance in my ISP's network (or really, entrance in ANY ISP's network). ...

ip-spoofing

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb we always get a long tail of new community members who remain

nealmcb

Actually quite relevant in a way

Rory Alsop

19:23

and an uptick in general activity

AviD

@nealmcb didnt realize it had been around for so long...

thought it was very new.

@nealmcb ah hahahah, okay, now I read the question.

nealmcb

@AviD :)

Scott Pack

@AviD More strictly, it is a question that is easily approachable by people not necessarily avid Security professionals and is worded in such a way to generate an immediate opinion.

If it can be tied into temporally relevant news features all the better.

AviD

hey! thats ambiguous avid'ing.

Scott Pack

@AviD Not at all. Your face is ambiguous.

AviD

19:27

heh. avid Security professionals. I think this is the term that should be used all the time from now on.

so I'm reading about the gameplay. WP states: Each portal may be equipped with up to eight Resonators and four Mods. Does @RoryAlsop count as two?

Rory Alsop

@AviD hahahahaha

Mods are (currently) just shields - which prevent attackers getting useful items from a hack, and help notify you when your portal is under attack

nealmcb

Who mods the mods? And who shields us from all those rude bursts?

Rory Alsop

@AviD - this game is how I toured Tel Aviv on my first day there - and it took me to a wide range of amazing monuments, statues and locations a tourist would want to see

nealmcb

@RoryAlsop I haven't heard that shields affects gear from hacks - say more. But do they increase the damage from the portal to enemy hacks?

AviD

@RoryAlsop thats pretty cool. Did you get to look up from your phone at all...? ;-)

Scott Pack

19:33

@AviD Why would he want to do that?

Rory Alsop

@AviD yeah - used it as a general navigation aid. At least the first day. Then most evenings I would head out for an hour round the local portals and turn em green:-)

nealmcb

@AviD Aye - it's a source of info and distraction at the same time.

AviD

@nealmcb Much like Wikipedia.

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb Local lore (from people testing) seems to show that your odds of getting an item drop when more shields are in place. And as you say, the hits you get are harder.

AviD

And the Internet in general, for that matter.

nealmcb

19:34

But their "Field Trip" app comes from the the same team.

Nice for tourism

Rory Alsop

@AviD The one evening I failed to do much portal hacking I was in a bar with someone.....

nealmcb

@AviD Indeed

AviD

hahaha

shouldnt have let that stop you

nealmcb

Bars and restaurants within range of portals will grow their clientele

Rory Alsop

@AviD I know my priorities. There was a big battle in Edinburgh at the weekend. But there was a beer festival round the corner from me. no contest

AviD

19:37

hehe. like @nealmcb said, bars should be in range of portals.

or rather, perhaps, portals in range of bars.

"Hey! There's a portal at the bottom of my beer bottle! Somebody help me ~~hack~~ drink this!"

Rory Alsop

@AviD new business plan - set up a bar next to every major monument/statue or art gallery ... profit!

AviD

heh

TildalWave

~~test~~

hmmm... @AviD how did you get strikethrough?

AviD

@TildalWave MAGIK!!! ~~I'm kidding, its not magik~~

Rory Alsop

magik

nealmcb

19:41

0

Q: Ingress collects a lot of data - what impact could this have on my privacy or security?

The Augmented Reality game from Google, Ingress, has players travel to specific GPS locations to destroy and rebuild virtual targets, link locations, and team up with other players in order to carry out missions. There are some immediate implications which all players are aware of, such as the r...

privacy geolocation

AviD

@RoryAlsop lol

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Well, this is annoying. I can't get any of those scripts to actually run. I call shenanigans.

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Yes! :)

AviD

--- magik ---

nealmcb

(with a few small edits by me - though I remain skeptical about the appropriateness)

Rory Alsop

19:42

@ScottPack hmm - do you have Tampermonkey installed?

and are running google chrome?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop I do. I tried them first without. And yes, I'm using Chrome.

nealmcb

@ScottPack Did you reload the page? Were you clever about where to find the new feature?

Which feature are you looking for?

AviD

@nealmcb good edits. I added a few tags too.

Scott Pack

@nealmcb Yes mom, I reloaded.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Exit chrome and start it again, then go into Ingress.com/intel. Then in the tampermonkey icon you have the option to enable each plugin

Scott Pack

19:44

@RoryAlsop I have to restart after installing them? This is getting complicated.

nealmcb

I wish my mom would be so helpful :) I wonder about the need to restart.

Rory Alsop

@nealmcb good edits - thanks. I am with you on the appropriateness - but it is on privacy, and it is accessible, and it hopefully is a topic of interest to a wide group that may include some who stay...

@nealmcb I'm not sure either, but it is worth a try

nealmcb

Mainly I remember having to look hard for the new UI for many features

AviD

@RoryAlsop I posted the link on SE's FB page ;-)

nealmcb

Restarts can cause loss of data and other problems, so I often avoid them for days.

AviD

19:47

Interestingly, I just discovered you can alter the date noted on FB posts.

Yet another reason I'm not on FB.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop You are destroying my calm.

Rory Alsop

Scott Pack

Bugger

So the trick, apparently, is to install the Intel Map Total Conversion script as well

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack ahh - yes. Thinking it maybe says that at the top of the github page... maybe

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Unlikely.

Rory Alsop

19:53

heh

Scott Pack

ಠ_ಠ

Rory Alsop

ahem. From the site:

Scott Pack

ಠ_ಠ

Rory Alsop

oh, hang on - misread that

Scott Pack

I think we're done here.

Jeff Ferland

19:57

@lynks awk

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland cut

Jeff Ferland

heck, i still do some "text parsing" in vim for one-offs.

Rory Alsop

oh, @nealmcb - just in case you were wondering about me, I'm not very worried about the data I provide google. They have lots of other stuff about me, but it just seems like a way to bump the site's profile a little.

@AviD there is an FB page?

AviD

@RoryAlsop surprisingly, its at: facebook.com/stackexchange

Rory Alsop

@JeffFerland yep - vim is always an essential for me. Mostly because I can never remember the exact syntax for awk :-)

@AviD hahahahaha - fair enough

AviD

20:04

@RoryAlsop yeah - if we get a couple of great answers, it could eventually be a resource pointed to by some of the ingressians.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop ` | awk '/searchstring/ {print $1,$2,$NF}'`

Done

Rory Alsop

@AviD Oh, dood :-)

@ScottPack ;-P

AviD

hehe. Like I said, I don't exist on facebook.

Though it is possible my avatar will be recognized by some of the locals.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Anything more complicated goes to perl.

Rory Alsop

@AviD That non-existent person should friend this guy: facebook.com/pages/The-Insidious-Doktor-Mayhem/…

AviD

20:05

@RoryAlsop I dont do friends!

besides, I already liked the metaltech... people might start to wonder ;-)

Rory Alsop

hahaha - it's more of a page

ahhh

@AviD and @Jefff - did you see @Hendrik's comment in TL?

Jeff Ferland

@RoryAlsop Neither can I. I keep two cheat sheets on my desk: the output of tx2tregex --showmeta (which meta characters need to be escaped in which regex parsers) and my favorite awk cheatsheet

@RoryAlsop I did. I think I'll ask staff before doing that, even though I agree they're all crap.

Rory Alsop

@JeffFerland cool - Shog will give the definitive answer as usual :-)

AviD

@JeffFerland yeah, but I dont think they necessarily socks - just a bunch of crap cowirker marketers.

Rory Alsop

@AviD yarr - that's what I thought too

Scott Pack

20:08

@RoryAlsop Who?

Jeff Ferland

Mmm... on that theory, I'll leave them.

@ScottPack Spammy accounts.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack you know - the ninja mod

right - gotta feed my eldest 2. Later folks :-)

Scott Pack

ta

Rory Alsop

20:28

Just browsing the Infosec Europe exhibitors and found out that Checkmarx are based 27 floors below where I had lunch one day @avid - wish I had known, I'd have popped by

Havent spoken to anybof the guys there

AviD

heh. Yeah, they like doing the conf rounds, trying to ge the word out.

They are horribly underrepresented in corporate mindset.

Rory McCune

@AviD I generally do my bit when presenting about static analysis by pointing out that they're massively cheaper than their two main competitors :)

AviD

@RoryMcCune are they? Considering the corporate package discounts given by those two competitors, I usually hear that Cx is considerably more expensive.

Rory McCune

@AviD well not last time I costed it for a co'. IBM were coming up on £80-90k for an install and checkmarx were a lot less...

although that was initial costings so could have changed at order time...

AviD

interesting. Good to know!

Besides quality, I always point out the ongoing TCO (I know, buzzword alert) for e.g. fortify needs to take into account the time spent running it and filtering the crap out, often a full time position. Whereas with Cx (aside from initial setup) you can even run it in place by the devs.

Rory McCune

20:39

true

Rory Alsop

@AviD and @Jefff - should we delete that question on Interpol then? It has stacks of downvotes, and two flags to delete. We have one answer, which is decent...

AviD

@RoryAlsop for deletes, its always about the answers. That said, I am of to minds as to the redeeming value of that answer. Which is why I left it to my betters.

Rory Alsop

@AviD heh, note I said 'decent' not 'amazing' :-)

AviD

@RoryAlsop aw hell, reading some of his comments, and looking at his other posts... I think we should skip the delete and just go straight for the DESTROY...

Rory Alsop

@AviD I would not complain if you did :-) His highest scored post is 2 and he has a 0, all others are quite badly negative!

in fact he only has two questions not closed :-)

AviD

20:46

oh, missed that one. Thought his highest score was -4.

hmm, also didnt realize he basically asked the same question twice - once about interpol and once about US.

before we delete, should we merge? yknow, just to f**k with him.

@RoryAlsop just deleted both of them.

Rory Alsop

@AviD :-)

TildalWave

who are you two talking about? :O

AviD

btw @Polynomial I believe VAT does exist in U.S., you just dont pay it seperately. And the death penalty only exists in some states. Like Texas.

@TildalWave yo momma, of course.

@TildalWave here security.stackexchange.com/q/33389/33 ;-)

TildalWave

@AviD neah her questions would be highly supported... such as why oh why did she have me :)

@AviD funny (404)

AviD

@TildalWave lol I KNOW! buwahaha! ;-)

TildalWave

20:54

@AviD watch it mister! :)))

AviD

hehe

Tom Leek

21:08

WHERE IS MY REP ?

THERE WILL BE BLOOD !

Rory Alsop

@AviD - someone roused shouty bear :-)

AviD

hehe, wasnt me! I never touched the treasure!

oh wait, is that bears or dragons?

@TomLeek @LilBear - have at it - security.stackexchange.com/q/34448/33 :-)

TildalWave

@AviD mmm dragons... Khaleeeeeeesiiiiiiii

@TomLeek oups I didn't vote enough today yet sry... I'll repent in a minute

AviD

@TildalWave ... and trip the serialvoting script.

TildalWave

@AviD hmmm no I'm not going by posters... I'm still doing my masters in rep train questions :)) (reading by votes ;)

AviD

21:15

@TildalWave then get on that ingress :)

TildalWave

@AviD I have no information about it :( plus, @nealmcb answered it pretty good

AviD

@TildalWave agree. the other answer was pretty good too.

But that's not the formula for reptraining!

TildalWave

@AviD didn't manage to read it yet... I have 26 votes left for the day (less than 3 hours left) and that's a lot of reading ;)

yup it's a good answer +1ed that... tho nobody touched that point you were talking about here before... you know, bars and portals :)

I'm curious what a MiTM could do to it also

AviD

@TildalWave bartals?

are beers really just XM in liquid form...?

TildalWave

21:32

@AviD XM?

AviD

@TildalWave that's the magic stuff leaking through dimesnions that started the whole thing. niantic.schlarp.com/investigation:characters:lore

TildalWave

@AviD oh, the gowd particle?

AviD

yeah that

TildalWave

while we're on CERN... do you remember who was mocking the switching on of the LHC? some standup comedian I believe... you know, the press the button, plug your ears, kneel and pray to God gig

could have been a woman even... Ronni Ancona?

AviD

dunno

@RoryAlsop @nealmcb - can't wait till they make Ingress: The Movie.

TildalWave

21:50

That was quite fast actually -- all out of votes for the day :)

bears, neil, rook, both rorys, avi, and I believe maker7 and d.w. were nominated

oh and jeff and tuna... some others got my votes before already :P (the usual suspects mostly, and some questions)

can I go back to watching GoT now? :P

nealmcb

@AviD Indeed

TildalWave

wow nudity :)))

Lucas Kauffman

herro

first time I visted the red light district in Amsterdam today, it was quite fascinating at how high the silicone level of these girls is

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