@kalina that's the problem with stereotypes

@kalina it's easier for them, now that MS froze hell so they have a stable take-off point

@M'vy stereotypes is the wrong word

I don't know what the correct word is but I just needed to point that out

maybe assumption

@kalina people-box-sorting ?

@kalina "To assume makes an Ass of U and Me "

@kalina I always wondered if German has a word for those individuals that confirm the stereotype so well they almost fall into an arch-stereotype group. I figure they mus, because, well - BMW is a German company and look at the drivers :-)

@RоryMcCune fortunately, I said assumption, which does not contain an e - assumptions only make an ass out of u

and... mptions

@kalina I was going to say that

but ya ninja'ed me

@kalina ok ok what about "Assumptions are the mother of all smeg ups" as a better aphormism?

@RоryMcCune I like that word - looks like a combination of aphorism and euphemism

;-P

I don't see what red dwarf has to do with this

darn, I fell out of my depth

@RoryAlsop well if you want fast typing and accuracy at the same time, you've come to the wrong room :op

@kalina it's back this year!!!1!

@RоryMcCune heh

@RоryMcCune new series?

@RoryAlsop yarr

nice - it isn't quite on a par with the original, but I do still enjoy it, and the kids loved the whole catching up process from series I to X

@RoryAlsop yeah the old episodes hold up pretty well

they were low budget but that was part of the charm of it

Obviously set design and special effects were wonderfully low budget, but as you say - that was the charm :-)

@kalina you can dance if you want to, you can leave your woes behind

@kalina Educated guess based on previous experience?

@silverpenguin And if your friends don't dance...

@RoryAlsop and if they dont dance then they aint no friends of mine... probably adlibbed but damn it close enough

@silverpenguin :-)

this music videos brings up alot of questions

lets bring the 80s back D: boogies

^Scrubs version!

@RоryMcCune you spin me right round baby

@silverpenguin pls that song is older than you!

and if we're doing 80's music

@RоryMcCune my cousin is the drummer ^^^

I like Adam and the Ants a lot back in the 80's

@RоryMcCune they are alright! I never actually met the drummer haha his dad just married my aunt .... so he is my cousin xD

more 80's music!

@RоryMcCune i have not heard this one from blondie! (too much 80s music I have not yet heard)

@silverpenguin It's one of her most famous!

@RoryAlsop im just listening now... i have heard this.... didnt know the name though xD or that it was blondie

oh com'on this is not a slack room

if we're doing 80's gotta get some two-tone/ska

@SmokeDispenser - hi. Are you around? You said to ping you here, so here I ping

@M'vy slack room ?

@Stilez aye, s'up?

@M'vy you're not a fan of the 80's music, eh?

sorry for not knowing the 'systrm'. first time on chat. In DMZ or in a side room?

@RоryMcCune I am. But. Too. Many. Videos.

:( ok il cool it with the videos xD

@RоryMcCune ... listening to some good ol' walking in memphis

oi @RоryMcCune waddup with the MTV channel

now I have to sit and watch all of those, instead of working

it's better than CH!

@RоryMcCune and you know who I'm thinking of now... Me.

inb4 @kalina says "same as always" :op

wut, no

not me, Me.

Lady Me.

I know it wasn't intended that didn't stop it being funny to mis-interpret

heh

@AviD so are you happy you'll finally be able to go back to running windows, now you can use Node.JS on ubuntu inside it?

pffft

no wait

pffffffffffffffffffffttttt

@AviD is thinking about me e_e he misses me day to day e_e its ok ovid .... ({)

msn generation will get this ({)

looks like your keyboard is borken

@AviD I dont see how, this is my work keyboard I would have to use it more than i do for it to get broken :L

cant even read that

@AviD why you messing with me

hey @RоryMcCune watching through all those videos... I have a q - was Macho Man (and the village people in general) a gay pride anthem at the time, or did that just get adopted later?

like, was it intended that way? cuz it is like dripping with it.

@AviD literally, am i right? xD >_>

toto - africa

@silverpenguin are you avoiding CTF's?

@HamZa no why ?

@silverpenguin y u no reply to pings

@HamZa none have come up

lolwut

@HamZa go to the room

@silverpenguin @RоryMcCune geez that is like the entire 80's condensed into a 3 minute video.

only thing missing is a stupid robot.

@AviD im not sure if the dwarf in the jester costume is offensive or not to dwarves?

@silverpenguin it was the 80s. The concept of offensive was offensive.

@AviD well for the real full 80's you'd probably need to link some duran duran, wham, and bon jovi but for fear of over-videoing, I shall refrain

@AviD thats good right? or is that bad? perspectives D: ....

@RоryMcCune Sting - englishman in newyork

@silverpenguin yeah 80's vids weren't big on political correctness... remember "girls on film"!!

@RоryMcCune girls on film? im not familiar with the 80s pornos...I keep that more modern, the hair styles just freak me out otherwise

@silverpenguin pls, it was a music video from Duran Duran

@RоryMcCune opps

although it could've been mistaken for a dodgy video

given the content

@RоryMcCune I honestly thought it was like girls gone wild or something

@silverpenguin it was a legit music video, but contained scenes which, at the time, where considered pretty risque

@RоryMcCune well i might as well watch it now e_e mwahaha

these days, nothing you wouldn't see in a nicki minaj video

@silverpenguin not at work , if I was you

@silverpenguin Or you could go back even further to Barbarella

@RоryMcCune that was not that bad!!! you must not be a big watcher of Kpop music videos xD

@silverpenguin remember this came out back in the 80's pre-Internet

it was a more innocent time...

@RоryMcCune With golliwogs on jam jars, and hairstyles that blocked doors

is that so

@kalina no but, hello again anyway :) you missed the 80s vibe we had goin on

@RоryMcCune it's no longer the 90s and they're now all old, it's lost its charm

tbh, it lost its charm during the original 9 seasons

@silverpenguin good, I hate history

@kalina well nothing wrong with a bit of nostalgia

@silverpenguin I spent all weekend dancing.

@RоryMcCune it's not nostalgia if you weren't present

@kalina I meant for me :op

@kalina really? actual dancing? I went to a rave once and didnt even dance there... cannot do it... so embarrassing

@silverpenguin ...

@kalina why you ... me D: I cant do it i look like a sausage with arms when i dance

@silverpenguin I'm sorry I don't seem to be able to formulate a response that doesn't breach the be nice rule.

@silverpenguin That's more a gherkin with arms

@kalina :{ you much of a raver? you sound like you would enjoy a good squat rave

@Matthew i prefer a sausage to a gherkin ;P

@silverpenguin don't you already have an idea of what I do for a living?

why are we even having this conversation

@kalina I know you do something with music. thats all sorry im not prying just making conversation, Il leave you alone

thanks

I get very frustrated when clients want a full test, but don't want to turn off their IDS or WAF systems. I don't have time to figure out all the bypasses! The bad guys do!

@Matthew maybe they want you to test the IDS/WAF as well?

Seems like a "full black box testing"

@HamZa true i was thinking this also, but normally 3 days would not be enough to get around that, 3 days being the average amount of time you have with a clients system

TIL...

@silverpenguin I'd always argue the cost tradeoff for them - as they are paying for it...

how much does it cost (roughly/averagely)?

is it per hour? per day? per report?

@Matthew yeah that is lame, especially if they don't realise they have one/know how to turn it off...

@HamZa testing is usually charged per day of effort, rates are very variable depending on country, so the cost is number of days effort based. Typically unauthenticated web apps would be 1-2 days, authenticated anywhere from 3-10 with 4-5 being common for reasonably complex but not huge. External/Internal Inf is generally done based on number of live IPs to be reviewed

but these things again vary by country

@HamZa If they do, they've not put it in the scope...

actually using Edge to browse the internet is weird

@RоryMcCune Oh I see... I live in the Netherlands and was astonished that it could cost several thousand euros for testing a simple website.

@RоryMcCune Yeah... I keep getting random 403 errors, so I can't tell if I'm causing them directly, or if the system is...

@Matthew contact them I guess? or report this to your boss?

@HamZa Already done. Hence the venting on here, while I wait for a response!

hehe +1

@HamZa this varies a lot. I ran a series of pen tests against a couple of thousand web apps a company had, over a couple of years, and they got an amazing bulk discount :-)

@RoryAlsop I see. Thanks for the info folks!

Still hesitating which career path to take: dev or sec :_)

@HamZa sec can be very exciting, even for those of us who don't get hands on any more - as you are driven a lot by the bad guys...

@HamZa tricky one that. I actually find good dev work quite rewarding compared to a lot of testing, however a lot of corporate dev jobs do not seem to involve good dev work

@RоryMcCune And there are lots of different strands to sec work too

@Matthew absolutely, I've done a fair few different ones (infosec analyst, infosec consultant, tester etc) but even then lots of others to try, quite a few that are new professions like all the threat analysis stuff and blue team stuff that gets done now

@HamZa There is no difference except for the out come of the project its self.

@RоryMcCune Next year I will be graduating with a bachelor. My current plan is to work as a dev and learn some sec alongside. It seems interesting to become a bounty hunter but shooting in the dark and hoping to find a jackpot bug seems a bit risky.

@HamZa It's rare to find anything hugely worthwhile - most of the low hanging fruit has gone

@Matthew my exact concerns

@Matthew I've heard in the echoes that... You're a low hanging fruit.

@Simon herro

you pretending to work again ?

trigger warning incoming.

@silverpenguin I just came in, can I get 5 minutes to find out what I've missed on the Interwebz while I was asleep?

hey @Simon, did you decide to start making your own beer? (NSFW)

Also dont click that if you're about to eat

or drink beer

or really, anything at all

in fact I dont think you want to click that

The URL was enough.

indeed.

yeah IndieGoGo is really terrible.

but seriously, isnt that just the type of beer @Simon would try to make, if @Simon could make beer?

@Simon il summarise it for you: 80s music, the second ronnie died, @AviD admitted his undying love for me, cat pictures lots and lots of cat pictures annnndddd that is pretty much todays internet

false.

@AviD I know its hard man but he really died, just let it out friend, let it out

who

@Simon the second ronnie

who

@Simon someone you've never heard of, he was funny

Let me guess: he was also Brit.

@RоryMcCune had to be this seen didnt it xD

Yeah he looks like a damn Brit.

Hang on, let me find a picture that laughs at Brits.

@Simon i dont know whats worse, the fact that he didnt just stick with one platform of error message or the fact that its true our summer sucks

@RоryMcCune lelelelel

Sure, go all gangbang-like on me.

@Simon first your mom, now you...

There's no snow outside right now, sprung has already begun.

@Simon there was this canada dump on imgur, I saved the URL just for this occasion :D

So shush you pesky rainers.

@RоryMcCune haha keep them coming please i love these

sprung has already begun?!?!?

da fuk is wrong with meh

I'd best not the room owners might get annoyed at me for over-use of images

@RоryMcCune OI!!

SPRUUUUUUNG

@RоryMcCune don't worry there will be no room owners around for at least the next 4 hours

that can be fixed you know

so can @Simon

and even then I doubt said room owner will read the transcript or care

and then disappear again after an hour

@kalina that was aimed at me :-(

I guess since we have no local support that we'll have to rely on foreign moderators via the chat flag system

@kalina heeeey :-(

@kalina it's an unfortunate reality, we should go through today's transcript and see if anyone has posted any links marked as NSFW...

I AM RIGHT HERE

anybody would think the so called intelligent individuals who moderate this site would have considered these things before acting

@RоryMcCune lol

looks like there's only been one miscreant that needs flagged

@kalina I acted, @RoryAlsop considered

I guess we grossly over-estimated their intelligence.

I assume you mean him with "intelligent individual"

I've seen better moderation from Arqade mods.

@kalina nah lets just go wild and turn to canabalism when our food runs out

@silverpenguin Wanna listen to my new favorite track???????????

@kalina ouch thats harsh

@Simon youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA is this it? (potentially NSFW)

That's not a "yes" or "no".

No that's not it.

@Simon i want to hear it what is it

@silverpenguin Here: youtube.com/watch?v=h0i1Szq6GM8

deffo not safe for work D:

@Simon what the hell is this meant to be

Minimal Techno.

feel free to laugh at me being clueless

@Simon its sorry unexciting it hurts me

@silverpenguin It's fine, I already knew that you had no taste in music.

@Simon look what it did to my english! ^^ it violated my brain

I have finally accomplished me life long ambition being paid to leave :D

@kalina I would, but that's a good answer :)

@silverpenguin a restaurant?

@RоryMcCune oh man I wish, I got close once to that... no my job !! :D

@RоryMcCune :(

I hate it when that happens

@silverpenguin redundancy? or just gardening leave

@kalina you hate it when you make good answers?

yes

how can I play dumb

maybe I should ask a question like this:

@RоryMcCune mix of both... kind of, basically I raised a very big complaint and I think its hush money

then everybody can read it and be ill

@kalina yeah I was gonna say, that answer does rather remove the cover of not knowing what you're talking about.

@kalina Just smile and nod blankly. And not be your usual self ;p

@JourneymanGeek A wild insult appears, how long you been waiting in the shadows?

@JourneymanGeek smiling and blankly nodding is my usual self -.-

@RоryMcCune Don't you dare to call her a nurd.

It's the most offensive term of all terms in the universe.

@silverpenguin That was actually a backhanded compliment.

Gotta mix it up a bit

Besides, I kinda was a bit of a dick to @kalina earlier ;p

@Simon yet you keep dragging it up

@silverpenguin ahh, you probably shouldn't talk too much about that online then :) , if it were at all regulatory in nature the company would likely be in legal bother if it were discovered... (either them paying you off, or the original issue)

@kalina Well too bad, isn't it?

@Simon for you, yes

@Simon hush now

although no doubt you don't care by this point

so let's keep this tangled mess up until one of us leaves

well I say that but then I'm just an ordinary room member, no need to listen to me

@RоryMcCune yea thats why im not mentioning the issues its self :)

I'm sure an authority figure will be along presently to resolve things

@RоryMcCune Yeah you're a peasant just like us.

@Simon inorite

@RоryMcCune tempted to make you a room owner out of spite ;)

@JourneymanGeek you were?

Oh wait. I'm the closest thing to an authority figure unless our resident bouncy cat turns up.

@JourneymanGeek lolz can you do that? I assumed it was only local mods or other room owners that could achieve that?

so many people in this room are a dick to me that I didn't even notice

@JourneymanGeek "turns up"? I am always here.

and believe me, I've considered it.

@RoryAlsop so totally can

@AviD he said authority figure

@kalina im always nice to you :)

Basically mods on any sites have equal mod powers anywhere

@kalina he said bouncy cat

ovid if you were slightly competent, you would give the room owner back rights back to roro, and would remove oszi's to let roro decide if he deserves the rights or not.

However, I'm not going to wave my big stick at chat regulars.

though I'm not sure what he meant by his statement.

Now if some newbie comes in and swears at you guys, I will feed him to the ducks, feet first.

@JourneymanGeek ducks don't eat charcoal

@Simon I considered that. I decided not to foist the responsibility on @RоryMcCune, after I've already upset him.

I didnt mind doing it to @Iszi, cuz he could take it

@kalina but feeding fish peas can help with swim bladder infections

also, just because I dont understand other people's feelings, doesnt mean I can't be considerate of them .

I'm married, I am used to that.

@AviD I don't think non-action is the right way to approach the problem, here.

;-)

You've already apologized, what else can you do than make things exactly like they were before?

@Simon hmm. Respect others wishes as to themselves?

roro has hinted you about not having his rights a few times already, just restore a damn snapshot of how things were before.

ftr I have offered @RоryMcCune to re-RO him again.

HE'S NOT GONNA SAY "PLS OVID GIMME DEM RIGHTS" FFS

@Simon if he agrees - it would be immediate

JUST DO IT

WHERE'S SHIA LABOEUF

@Simon not here thankfully

@Simon im flagging this