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5:00 PM
@MarkBuffalo No offence, you're just not using your brain today.
 
@ThomasPornin "What is publicly known of them" could also be "passwords found in another leak".
 
@MarkBuffalo I think this is the result of your keto diet, it's a known side-effect of the conversion process.
 
@Iszi That's the point of "all accounts in a fixed order". If there is an external, non-SE leak, then it is improbable that it would apply to all the accounts. The bot would have to skip some users.
 
@Iszi If the scan was a result of a leak then specific users would be targeted, not everyone.
 
I suppose that they observed a bot doing, say, a few dozens of login attempts for each account, in due order. If one works, then the bot correctly guessed both the email address and the password, which is quite a feat.
 
5:03 PM
@Shog9 so to be clear, Stack Exchange didn't get hacked and you haven't leaked everybody's information?
>:)
 
If a robber attempts to pick the lock on the front door of every house in a neighborhood you can infer that the one he was able to unlock was less secure than the rest of the houses.
 
I wonder if we say "Stack Exchange got hacked" enough times it will start ranking in Google
 
@kalina it will ;)
 
Especially if you know what tools/techniques he used to pick them.
 
29 mins ago, by Shog9
no, we don't store plaintext passwords, no one has stolen our database or bute-forced anything
 
5:05 PM
@SmokeDispenser sure, sure, yet he was awfully squimish and didn't want to go into any specifics on anything other than that single piece of information!
that doesn't fill anybody with confidence
 
I'll concede there's probably other angles for drawing the inference in question that I'm not really considering. But I'm still not really convinced that there's not something fishy going on there. It's an oddly specific statement to make when one should generally be lacking much of the detail required to do so.
@SmokeDispenser That's already disproven.
2 hours ago, by Shog9
@RоryMcCune kinda don't have to when someone sets up a bot and you watch it crawling through accounts across the network.
 
@Iszi Where?
@Iszi did you eat a large amount of lead paint chips in the last day or two?
 
@Iszi It is conceivable that they recognized the sub-species of bot and thus could infer what the bot was actually trying.
 
@DavidFreitag Just because it's not a brute-force attack against hashes or ciphertext doesn't mean it's not a brute-force attack.
 
oh I've had no response from Stack Exchange about how Stack Exchange got hacked
isn't that typical
to Twitter!
 
5:10 PM
@kalina Careful, ye can get banned for that!
 
@kalina I read the backstory. I'm confident. And I wouldn't be if there were any sketchiness involved.
 
@ThomasPornin Also, this isn't really just a matter of security folks being "nosy". A substantial portion of this room was just told that their accounts were subject to a (what I presume is recent) attack in which one of their top members' accounts was compromised. It's extremely reasonable that we should be concerned with the particulars of the attack and what measures are in place to protect our accounts after this.
 
Hmm. I think it's time to take the transcript, condense the information @Shog9 has given and just figure out possible explanations of szenarios. Then hilight him and ask for confirmation;)
 
@ThomasPornin because that wouldn't be a PR nightmare, banned me for joking Stack Exchange got hacked = guilty conscious
clearly somebody needs to chill
then again that is their usual MO
anyway I have new toys! brb
 
@Iszi Nobody here really believes that he/she is impacted.
We are all egocentric that way.
 
5:12 PM
@Xander oh I know, I don't believe there was any hacking either
now really brb
 
ffs, look at the site. as soon as shog appeared out of nowhere, no answers are given anymore;)
and/or less closing is done
 
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Q: Tiny copper waffle squares inside computer

eyqsI've been hearing a sound from inside my MSI GE60 laptop for a while now, so I opened it up to find that these two tiny copper waffle squares came loose. They were originally stuck to the board with some black adhesive, so I stuck them on again, but a few days later, they came loose again. Aft...

lol
 
waffles
 
@kalina Are these electronical toys? If so, do tell.
 
@SmokeDispenser that's because a Q&A site is nothing without its contributors
 
5:15 PM
@SmokeDispenser successful nerd sniping...
 
@SmokeDispenser Closing is overrated.
 
@Xander I read that as "clothing is overrated"
 
@Xander I refer you to my latest meta answer.
 
@DavidFreitag Well that too, obviously.
 
@Xander I got a ni traktor s8 to have a play around with
 
5:16 PM
I'M BACK WHERE'S THE DRAMA?
 
@kalina have fun :)
 
@kalina Wow that's a sweet piece of kit
 
@Simon I'm skipping this mom-joke. You're trying too hard;)
 
it looks nice and it has loads of flashing lights
 
@kalina da po po?
 
5:17 PM
but it's hardly a pair of 2000nxs2s
 
@silverpenguin, welcome to the drama!
 
@Iszi small correction: vulnerable at the time, but not (to my knowledge) compromised.
 
he must have me on ignore
 
who
 
him
 
5:18 PM
who
 
...
 
@kalina Fun! That looks significantly more advanced that the Maschine that we have at our house, that I also do not know how to use.
 
oh silly, mashine is something completely different
I do have one problem I haven't thought about until right this very second
 
@Xander Why do you have that?
 
I appear to have no plugs left
2
 
5:20 PM
@kalina As I said, I know nothing. Electronic music is the domain of the other people I live with.
 
@kalina Multiplexer FTW
 
@Xander o
 
@Simon I don't, one of the kids does.
 
@Xander You live with kids?
Are they legally yours?
 
@Simon Pretty sure they are biologically his
 
5:21 PM
He's old enough to have kids that own Maschine?
 
@Simon Yes.
 
Dayum xandur you're a fogey.
 
@Simon One is legally mine. All three are legally my wife's.
 
ok - I'm frustrated with my memory - last year, SE released a game for each site where the community could manage fake sites by voting what action to take next: ask more questions, answer more questions, close more questions, etc. The "score" was the number of visitors to the site - did I make that all up in my imagination or did that actually happen?
 
@Xander That's a lot of kids.
 
5:22 PM
@schroeder, happend. maybe.
 
@Simon Given that our oldest is not that much younger than you, that is probably true.
 
@Xander jeeezus sup dad
 
@SmokeDispenser the game had a name (of course) what was it?
 
@kalina I would be that squeamish on a public board, to be honest
 
5:24 PM
116
Q: What's StackEgg?

M DThis recently showed up on Stack Overflow. What does it mean? Why is this image showing here! What is StackEgg?

 
@RoryAlsop Yup, me too.
 
mmmmh... that plug had my PC plugged into it
 
Oh no, it's April Fools tomorrow.
 
@Simon So @Xander is your dad now?
Another chapter in #DaysOfOurDMZ
 
Is anybody gonna release a fake bug that turns out to be true?
 
5:26 PM
@Shog9 good for @schroeder we have you here (temporarily)
 
@DavidFreitag o pls no
 
@kalina pffft
 
@kalina woopsies
 
@Shog9 Now that everybody has cooled down, any chance you can reiterate for the best the suspension?
 
@Shog9 THANKS!
 
5:29 PM
That's a big thanks.
 
@Simon I have a feeling that we, as "the public", will be kept out of all the juicy information that is none of our business. How irksome.
 
@Simon wut?
@ThomasPornin but the curiosity is literally killing my cat!
 
Poor public.
 
@Simon the best the suspension?
 
@RoryAlsop , for the best, the suspension
 
5:32 PM
@DavidFreitag He is talking about the @TildalWave spin-off. He got suspended and the whole bot-breach story was thrown, and we do not really know how the two events are related.
 
it's almost like @TildalWave was banned before he could tell us more
nod
 
Hey, you see? When we don't have enough information, we just invent it.
 
maybe they really were hacked and the story was span for plausible deniability
 
@ThomasPornin lol - we know bears don't. You have an encyclopaedic knowledge
 
What if all this is, is the reason why the chicken has crossed the road?
 
5:33 PM
seems logical to me
 
@kalina I don't think they'd be allowed to do that, based in NY. Think NY has strong disclosure laws
 
@RoryAlsop I have an Internet access and I don't hesitate to use it.
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@ThomasPornin stop giving away the sekrits
 
@Shog9 Umm... Far as I've gathered, you must have witnessed an unauthorized successful login. I'd call that a compromise.
 
oszi you may be a room owner but that does not mean that you shouldn't shut top.
 
5:35 PM
@Iszi it certainly sounds like a compromise
 
@ThomasPornin I think it's pretty clear
 
I mean he said that they'd concluded the password was weak by the fact a bot logged into it </didn'treallyreadanything>
 
@Iszi nope.
 
@Iszi An interesting notion, though. If someone guesses your gmail password, who is compromised? You, or Google?
 
@Shog9 heh - you do know that unlike 20 questions, Sec folks just. won't. give. up...
 
5:36 PM
That raises an interesting philosophical question. What is a compromise, exactly? Is it even possible to know?
 
Then this just raises more confusion over how you can assert that a person's e-mail account is accessible when given only their username.
 
@Xander that is a legal dilemma discussed a lot
 
@ThomasPornin Did you know that the flamingo's pink color comes from its diet?
That was a double pornu ping.
 
@SmokeDispenser I totally agree with your meta answer, but then we get things like:
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Q: Non-restrictive upload access for employees

moshe26What are possible options to prevent employees from uploading confidential files, without restricting upload access to upload pics, videos or personal files?

 
@ThomasPornin Your Gmail account, and any other accounts that you have which use Google as an OAuth provider.
 
5:37 PM
@Xander If you leave the key in the lock of your front door, and someone breaks in, is it your fault or theirs?
 
@Simon Yes.
 
@Simon everybody knows that
 
also is it just me or did the ban happen really quickly
 
@DavidFreitag Is there even fault at all?
 
Fine, screw me.
 
5:38 PM
@Ohnana that's what I thought
it's like he was hiding something
dun dun DUUUUUUUUN.
 
@Ohnana I think end of a series of things
 
@Xander Certainly, just because the key is in a locked door doesn't give you the right to enter someone else's house
 
@Iszi Thus, in that sense, there was no breach into StackExchange systems.
 
@Simon i learned something
 
@schroeder I do not say closing bad questions is not an option.
 
5:38 PM
SEE OHNUHNUH LEARNED SOMETHING
 
@Ohnana ew
@Simon as a result of screwing you
 
@Xander technically and legally, yes
 
@RoryAlsop But metaphysically?
 
@Xander metapsychically
 
@ThomasPornin the two events are related simply because the former knew about the latter (or should have at least).
 
5:39 PM
@schroeder Also, you off all are the reason I do need to comment only rarely
 
@ThomasPornin I didn't say "StackExchange systems" were compromised. I said one of our top users' accounts was.
 
@SmokeDispenser That made almost no sense.
 
@DavidFreitag yes it did.
 
@SmokeDispenser what meta post?
 
@SmokeDispenser words there, yes. Order not necessarily...
 
5:41 PM
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Q: Too aggressive with "off-topic" comments?

Mike OunsworthThe question: Authenticating a user via SMS elicited a very interesting comment from the OP after a very new user (<20 days) suggested the question was off-topic. I don't mean to kick a hornet's nest, but the incessant arguing on StackExchange about what is or isn't an acceptable post is mind...

 
@DavidFreitag yeah
True...
 
@RoryAlsop really? what I mean to say was: because @schroeder does good work on commenting bad questions, I rarely have to do so.
 
@kalina WAT
 
@SmokeDispenser Ok, now it makes sense :)
 
@Iszi I am just pointing out that when SE claims that there was no breach, they mean it in the sense that there was no breach into the systems under their responsibility, which excludes user account credential guessing.
 
5:43 PM
22 secs ago, by Ohnana
@kalina WAT
 
@SmokeDispenser ahhhh. I understand now. There are some interesting grammatical choices in there that made it hard to parse
 
@RoryAlsop Yeah I had to reload my logic fuzzer module
 
@RoryAlsop yeah sorry. after all no native speaker;)
 
@Ohnana that's what I thought, he said screw you, you said you learned something
I mean srsly
 
@SmokeDispenser no no - you misunderstand - it's a bad question, but it also can certainly be improved! But the improvement needs to happen on a deeper level within the asker's understanding of asking questions
 
5:44 PM
@Ohnana - izzat you flirting with @Simon now?
 
@ThomasPornin Oh, I wasn't contesting whether or not there was a breach. I was saying there was a brute-force attempt, which was denied.
 
so how does one coach someone to think differently when asking questions .....
 
wat
 
@RoryAlsop KILL ME
 
@schroeder I do know that. Did you see my autocomment?
 
5:45 PM
@schroeder I like to call it the "clue bat".
 
sets fire to @Ohnana
 
@Ohnana I'll get my rusty bayonet
 
@Iszi As Obi-Wan would say, there was no brute-force attempt... from a certain point of view.
 
@DavidFreitag it's too late, the fire has started
 
5:45 PM
@kalina I can still stab someone on fire
 
@DavidFreitag stabbing ashes is not productive
 
If I've learned anything from Far Cry.
 
39 mins ago, by Iszi
2 hours ago, by Shog9
@RоryMcCune kinda don't have to when someone sets up a bot and you watch it crawling through accounts across the network.
 
@schroeder by linking to relevant writeups. most questions can only be improved by OP
 
@kalina And the false assumption that I need to be productive
 
5:46 PM
@Ohnana WOW DO YOU THINK THAT I'M SO DISGUSTING THAT FLIRTING WITH ME WOULD MAKE YOU WANT TO KILL YOURSELF?
 
@Simon yes
 
@Simon Most definitely, yes.
 
@schroeder, that discussion might be better fitted in the other room, though.
 
I asked ohnuhnuh you donuts.
 
wow you guys really picked up the slack there
 
5:46 PM
@Simon I'm gonna have to go with the consensus here, yes
 
@Ohnana np
 
@Ohnana You're welcome.
 
I POSTED A PIC ON MY TWITTER ACCOUNT SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT I'M NOT FUGLY
 
it's so nice to have bonding activities like beating up Simon's self esteem
 
THIS IS NOT NICE OF YOU
 
5:47 PM
@Simon To be fair, you look like a blinky toy.
3
 
LOOK AT MY TWITTER PIC
I HAVE A BEARD AND EVERYTHING
 
@Simon Or that we now have proof
 
@ThomasPornin ... Oh.
 
@Simon big fluffy beard
your hair is also retreating
 
@ThomasPornin Blinky toy?
@kalina The battle is over, but the war has just begun
 
5:48 PM
@kalina It looks like it is but it's not at all, I had just shaved it.
 
Okay, I missed something. Twitter pic?
 
^
That's me.
 
hahahahahahahaha
 
@Pittoreski, Canada
199 tweets, 25 followers, following 163 users
 
5:48 PM
That's also me.
 
I like to think that just out of shot you (in pic 2) are playing with pic 1
(please don't edit pic 1 to be rude)
 
@Simon If that's you that did that, I think you probably just hijacked an idle account. Hasn't posted anything since '14.
 
@kalina It's funny because that picture of you looks nothing like the person from your old twitter picture
 
@Iszi wat
I've replied to roro recently.
 
@Iszi You should check my twitter
 
5:49 PM
I called him a Hipster.
Look at my replies.
LOOK AT THEM
 
@DavidFreitag you mean the one with dj stephanie?
 
MY REPLIES
 
@kalina Yeah that one
 
Projected to lose 60 lbs by July if I stick to this diet.
Hope I can do it
 
@MarkBuffalo what are you eating, air?
you're going to ditch half of a kalina in 3 months?
 
5:51 PM
@RoryAlsop So, what you're saying is, @Simon was secretly playing with himself when he took his Twitter profile pic?
 
If I worked with someone with the last name "wood" I would always take the chance to say "We've got wood"
 
@kalina I am tall, and have a medium muscular frame underneath. But I'm also working at a 50% calorie deficit
 
wat
 
I could lose more, but I want to maintain muscle
 
Speaking of diets, I have an appointment with a nutritionist on 4/12
 
5:52 PM
Just 975-1200 calories a day, when maintenance for me is anywhere from 3078 to 4300 (new calcs)
 
@DavidFreitag Why not on 4/20?
 
I'm getting paid $150 to see her and absorb her knowledge
@Simon I might be busy that day
 
lulz
 
@DavidFreitag You're gonna wait until December to see a nutritionist? #Pretending2BBritish
 
@DavidFreitag yeah I hope this works out for you
 
5:52 PM
@Iszi Actually, I'm traveling 4 years into the past
 
Oh wait 60% calorie deficit
 
@DavidFreitag Ha, nice.
 
I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE OF YOU SAYING THAT I'M NOT FUGLY.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN SETTLED YET
 
@Simon There's a reason for that.
 
o pls
 
5:54 PM
@Simon I haven't met you yet.
 
@Simon Oh, it was settled.
 
And you're not my type
;-P
 
SAY THAT YOU WANT TO FLIRT WITH ME
NOW
ALL OF YOU
 
@Simon hahahahahahahahahaha
 
5:54 PM
@Simon ( ͡◉ ͜ ʖ ͡◉)
 
THAT YOU WANT TO FLIRT WITH ME
I'm good?
 
PLS I DON'T BITE... or do I ;);););)
 
@M'vy ^ this
 
@Simon I'm actually surprised. I expected you be a deformed grotesque freak
 
@MarkBuffalo wtf
 
5:55 PM
You look like a handsome man's man.
 
what on earth is going on
 
aw ty markus
 
@schroeder, I'd be happy to have you on board, by the way. Feel free to step by. I'm gonna take a nap now, though.
 
Or am I speaking to Fluffy Markus right now?
 
I find @Simon's behavior awfully ironic after he accused me of being a special snowflake...
 
5:55 PM
Fluffy Markus
 
@kalina I think @Simon's just provoking us so he can sue the whole room for Cyber-Bullying.
 
@kalina A special snowflake?
 
@kalina He was clearly projecting.
 
@kalina but you are, and I mean that in a non derogatory way
 
PLS OHNUHNUH SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO FLIRT WITH ME I HAD TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
 
5:56 PM
@MarkBuffalo if it's not derogatory it's probably creepy
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@Simon awww pat
 
Is that like a frozen bit of water with a chemical imbalance?
 
a glorious, beautiful, lovely precious little special snowflake
 
@Ohnana u wanna flirt this saturday n8?!?
 
burns candle to @kalina shrine
 
@MarkBuffalo @kalina yup definitely creepy...
 
5:57 PM
Baha
 
@Simon wtf is a saturday nate
also i'm busy on saturday
 
erm, I need an adult
@Ohnana so you're saying if you weren't you would be up for it?
 
@kalina No, it'd only be creepy if it was coming from @Simon. Or maybe @RoryAlsop - but that's just because old guys like him are ew.
 
@kalina here I am
Ok, ill stop
 
Who am I supposed to flirt with, then? My donut?
 
5:58 PM
@Simon erm, yuh
 
special snowflake might make a good twitter handle
 
o
Is that how it works?
 
@Ohnana pls n8 is night
 
@Simon I mean, you can try, but I heard that doesn't work.
 
@DavidFreitag Oh, it works all right. That's why all @Simon's donuts are cream-filled.
 
5:59 PM
@ThomasPornin Can I take you out on a date at McDonald's?
 
@Iszi Again with the over-the-top sick...
 
@DavidFreitag Hey, at least I'm sticking to euphemisms this time.
 
I haven't been able to spell properly for the whole damn week.
 
@Iszi True.
 

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