The DMZ

Mark Buffalo

19:03

So the bank stopped processing my payments for my vehicle, and just started stashing them in an account

Got a letter saying I'm in default and they're pissed

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Yeah the same thing happened to me

Iszi

@l1thal Yeah, I try to find humor 'round here when I can. It's fairly rare. Nothing like Gaming.SE.

David Freitag

I went nuclear

Mark Buffalo

...so I call them up, and the teller made a mistake

I got a massive refund on the way for late fees and a month of payments

l1thal

@MarkBuffalo One time paypal charged the wrong card and get me in the hole aboue $250 with the bank. Once I fixed that I consulted paypal about it and they banned me.

Mark Buffalo

19:04

Because I sent them an additional three payments this month to cover their mistake. Looked at my bank statement and saw 5 payments wtf!

5 car payments. Those sons of botched

l1thal

So then they got into a lawsuit with someone else about how they handled payments badly, so they let me open it back up! then they found out I opened it while I was underage, so they banned it again.

Mark Buffalo

Lmfao

l1thal

SOML

@MarkBuffalo You should open a lawsuit that I can benefit from somehow too!

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag I was polite, but I'll be receiving a large refund because of their derperies. Wtf @ putting it in an account instead of using it to pay the loan, which I've been doing for two yearsm

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Yeah it happened to me two months in a row

Mark Buffalo

19:07

Everyone makes mistakes, and they corrected it. No need to get all pissy over it

l1thal

@Iszi True. Everyone is always so serious out there in the question world. You say one thing wrong and BOOM! Everyone calls you out on it and your rep goes down about 1000 points.

Adi

@DavidFreitag @kalina After you guys gave me the specs, I did some more Googling. I fully agree; 3k is indeed excessive.

First person to find the combination to get PHP wins wfplsiu.com

David Freitag

@Adi The build I spec'd out for @RoryAlsop was I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200£ IIRC

And that build is by far the most absurd beast I've worked out

Mark Buffalo

@Adi I can't find the combo

Adi

@DavidFreitag To be honest, I proposed the 3k mainly because I had no clue about the prices.

Iszi

19:11

@l1thal No, what I mean is you'll probably never find a question that involves getting drunk, trying to float across a river on the backs of some hookers, and waking up with a tattoo, around here.

David Freitag

@Adi Well TBH the 1200£ box of @Rory's would be about that much if you got it prebuilt (ie from dell or the like, which BTW is a terrible idea)

Adi

@MarkBuffalo :(

This guy now is the most famous Finnish person alive

Can you fold paper more than 7 times with hydraulic press

►

Iszi

53

Q: So I was out drinking last night...how do I remove a tattoo?

Geralt got into a bit of fun with the Blue Stripes last night. After getting rip-roaringly drunk, the Witcher thought it might be good to see if it was possible to float across the river on the bums of four prostitutes. It wasn't. The Witcher woke without equipment and a new tattoo on his neck. ...

the-witcher-2

^ Still my all-time favorite SE question.

Mark Buffalo

@Adi yeah but now you know what you're willing to spend. I used to be poor, so getting the best bang for my buck hardwarewise is something I really enjoy doing. Even now.

You could get a nice 32gb ram rig with m2 ssds, two amazing cards in sli, a nice modular power supply to match, a good mobo, and a good processor. For maybe 1200 euros or less

l1thal

@Adi Lets Roll > No > No > Web App > No > Startup > No > No > I Don't Care > Yes > Yes

Mark Buffalo

19:16

Yep, easily 1200 euros, depending on the cost of parts in finland.

Adi

@l1thal YOU WIN!

You're official Administrator of Space

Mark Buffalo

@l1thal damn

l1thal

YES! I always wanted that position. Thank you, sir.

Adi

@l1thal Have you used Confluence before?

It has a role called "Space Admin"

l1thal

@Adi I've used things similar to it.

Mark Buffalo

19:18

Wait

Iszi

@Adi Is that thing legit?

Mark Buffalo

Lethal that's not working for me

I didn't get php.

l1thal

@MarkBuffalo You must've clicked something wrong. I did it like 10 times.

Adi

@MarkBuffalo I've just Googled this shit after you and @RоryMcCune mentioned it. What the fuck is this?!

Looks like a joke

Mark Buffalo

Let's see

Adi

19:19

@Iszi Aye

Mark Buffalo

@Adi fast hard drive for the wins

David Freitag

@Adi That's the fastest SSD in the world

An M.2 drive uses PCIe lanes as well as SATA for a massive bandwidth

Ohnana

@Adi not linus?

Mark Buffalo

Yeah I want an m2

Might use my bonus check to upgrade

Adi

@DavidFreitag Seems to be cheap

David Freitag

19:22

@Adi They are no more expensive than regular SSDs

Mark Buffalo

It's amazing dude.

You'll need a motherboard capable of supporting it

David Freitag

And if you don't have an M.2 slot, they make PCIe adapter cards

@MarkBuffalo Not true

amazon.com/SNANSHI-Dual-Port-PCI-E-Adapter/dp/B01A38B4KI/…

(just an example)

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag what happens if your motherboards pcie slots are taken up by graphics cards?

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Why on earth do you have more than one GPU?

Adi

@MarkBuffalo In that case...

Mark Buffalo

19:23

That's what I'm getting at

Adi

Your statement is still false

1 min ago, by Mark Buffalo

You'll need a motherboard capable of supporting it

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag sli

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Is not worth it

Adi

@DavidFreitag Is it so?

David Freitag

@Adi Depends on what you're doing

Mark Buffalo

19:24

@Adi I'm typing fast and making mistakes. But what I'm trying to get at is this: you'll need space if going sli

Adi

@MarkBuffalo WHOA!

David Freitag

But really no, it's not. You're better off getting an FPGA PCIe for extreme hashing, and you're better off with one single better card for gaming/modeling

Mark Buffalo

@Adi Do you want a 4k resolution monitor?

Or are you happy with 1080p?

David Freitag

SLI is just going to put a huge strain on your PSU

@MarkBuffalo You don't need two cards for 4K stop being stupid

Adi

@DavidFreitag All I want is to play Insurgency and Generals Zero Hour without them being slow

Mark Buffalo

19:25

@DavidFreitag stop being stupid. You want SLI for good performance in intensive games.

With 4k

Adi

That's all I really want from my PC

Mark Buffalo

I get shit fps at 4k

Iszi

Love the comments here...

> So does Hydraulic Press beat paper or paper beats Hydraulic Press?

>> But can the hydraulic press beat Spock?

David Freitag

@Adi Yeah you definitely don't need 4K

Adi

Oh, and play 1080p videos

Mark Buffalo

19:25

@Adi what resolution?

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo What card you got?

If it's AMD GTFO

If it's not a 980 or 980TI GTFO

Adi

@MarkBuffalo I don't care. One that looks nice

@Iszi :D

David Freitag

@Adi It's going to depend on what display you have (or are going to buy)

Iszi

@Adi Need to look up RPS 101 to see if the press is covered.

Mark Buffalo

For videos, 4k netfix and bluray, one run of the mill card is enough

David Freitag

19:27

@MarkBuffalo WHAT CARD DO YOU HAVE

Mark Buffalo

For 4k gaming, SLI is not required, but will give you an extra bunch of fps.

Adi

@DavidFreitag I have a 27" Samsung display

Mark Buffalo

It depends on how much you want to spend... David is right, you don't need it... but you might want it.

David Freitag

@Adi I can, with some certainty, guarantee it's a 1080p display

Adi

No no, not Samsung. Shit I don't remember. Something from South Korea

It was cheap. It had IPS or whatever that is

David Freitag

19:28

@Adi do not listen to @MarkBuffalo, SLI is completely idiotic.

Adi

When you look from the side, it doesn't look shitty

Mark Buffalo

@Adi Upstar?

Iszi

Hm. Haven't found Hydraulic Press in RPS 101 but I came across Cup about halfway through. Wonder if I'll come across Two Girls - and how does that match-up go?

David Freitag

@Adi Probably an LED display

Mark Buffalo

So IPS monitor then

Adi

19:29

@DavidFreitag Of course I won't listen to him. :D

@DavidFreitag I trust you 100%

Thomas Pornin

@DavidFreitag If you do some heavy-duty password cracking, you will want to put several GPU in each machine.

Adi

@Iszi He crushes a blender in one video

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo my 980Ti will happily drive 3 4k monitors

David Freitag

@Adi Do you have any size concerns? (ie do you prefer a smaller case or a monster tower like I chose for @Rory)

Adi

> Will the blend press or will the press blend?

David Freitag

19:30

@ThomasPornin No, you want some heavy duty FPGAs

l1thal

I have an AMD 390x

Works fine xP

R9

Adi

@DavidFreitag I don't think size matters. It's how you use it with the other components

Mark Buffalo

@Adi techbuyersguru.com/taking-4k-gaming-challenge-gtx-980-ti-sli

:)

Rory Alsop

@Iszi 2 girls 1 hydraulic press? Wow

David Freitag

@Adi Well I didn't know if you're in a small apartment with space restrictions. In general smaller components are more expensive and aren't as good as their larger counterparts (thermal issues, less performance in general, etc)

Adi

19:31

@DavidFreitag My office room at home is mostly empty, so doesn't really matter so much

Mark Buffalo

@RoryAlsop not for gaming it won't

Thomas Pornin

@DavidFreitag Not necessarily. If you target an algorithm that maps well to the GPU capabilities (say, PBKDF2 with SHA-1 or SHA-256), then GPU will give you more password hashes per dollar (both for hardware cost, and for power consumption).

Mark Buffalo

4k x 3 for gaming? I'm not buying it.

Thomas Pornin

For bcrypt, of course, go for FPGA.

David Freitag

@ThomasPornin That's true, and it will be a ton easier to implement (implementation is already done for GPU)

Rory Alsop

19:32

@MarkBuffalo It drives 2 of them wonderfully for gaming. I play Black Ops, Fallout 4,

Iszi

@Adi But will a hydraulic press blend?

Rory Alsop

Portal 2, Elite Dangerous

Mark Buffalo

@RoryAlsop you have two monitors, 4k each, running that?

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo yup

is lovely :-)

Mark Buffalo

19:32

@RoryAlsop Just one?

Just one card?

Rory Alsop

David really does know what he is talking about when he specs gaming rigs

@MarkBuffalo just one

980Ti

Iszi

@RoryAlsop No 2 girls, and no hydraulic press in RPS 101.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi lol

David Freitag

I'm convinced @MarkBuffalo has no clue what he's talking about since he hasn't even told me what GPU he's using.

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag gtx 760

Rory Alsop

19:33

@MarkBuffalo specifically, I have the EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti GPU

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo LOLOLOLOL There's your problem!

That's two years old!

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag No shit

@RoryAlsop oh wait....

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo A 980TI is better than three 760s in SLI

Mark Buffalo

Low graphic intensive games

Try it on the new battlefront?

Are you running full detail too? And is it even smooth?

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo BLOps is reasonably intensive, as is Elite Dangerous. And I have all my games on whatever the highest res, effects, detail etc

completely smooth

Iszi

19:35

Well, I didn't know the people behind RPS 101 also had this. Interesting.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi we did sell a few Metaltech thongs...

David Freitag

@Adi so here's the deal, the games you specified (Insurgency and C&C: Generals Zero Hour) are fairly old, and wouldn't actually require a beefy card

Rory Alsop

Henry has a different gravatar...

Mark Buffalo

I just looked up hardware benchmarks for 4k black ops

Average of 33 fps at 4k without sli

At full detail.

You're claiming to run it at 7680x2160?

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo not sure the impact of that average, but from personal experience - it rocks

Iszi

19:38

@RoryAlsop Ever have any "returned" at a concert? wink, wink

Rory Alsop

@Iszi ewwww.

Mark Buffalo

Are you merging two displays, as in 4k, or are you going to almost 8k?

Rory Alsop

(no - after)

Mark Buffalo

Extending the horizontal resolution?

David Freitag

@Adi Are you more interested in overall performance, or cost? If cost isn't an issue I can build you a box that's fairly future proof for about 1500 euro

Iszi

19:39

@MarkBuffalo Is that a euphemism?

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo with all games that can (except driving or flying games) I use extended desktop

Iszi

(Just kidding. We're in the DMZ - of course it is!)

Mark Buffalo

No way anyone is getting good fps at 7680x2160 with one card

Rory Alsop

it annoys me to drive or fly with a bar up the middle so I'd want 3 screens for that (or 1)

Mark Buffalo

If the 980 is that good, I'll eat shit

2

David Freitag

19:40

@Adi However, if all you literally want to do is play those games and watch 1080p videos and such, I can spin out a build for probably 800-1000 euro

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo you should really get a 980ti

Mark Buffalo

I'll go buy it right now and then eat shit

Rory Alsop

and then prepare for your new and interesting diet

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo The 980TI is really that good.

Mark Buffalo

I'm not buying it man lol

Rory Alsop

19:41

@MarkBuffalo it's worth it

I read a lot of reviews and most were irrelevant. I thought I'll trust Mr Friday - and it was good

proof is in the pudding

Ohnana

i play video games on a laptop

/cries

Rory Alsop

give it a shot - what's the worst that could happen?

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Ew.

SEJPM

@RoryAlsop you waste a few hundred dollars?

Mark Buffalo

I've been researching a build for a while. None of the games I want to play are all that playable outside of sli, even with the 980. Not at 4k. I cant stand 30-40fps.

Rory Alsop

19:43

@SEJPM it will be worth it

Mark Buffalo

And the radeon m9 needs to be outperforming the 980 on nearly every benchmark

SEJPM

@RoryAlsop I won't say "no" to that, I was justing pointing out the worst case

Mark Buffalo

Wrong model number. Let me find it

Rory Alsop

@SEJPM :-)

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo samples pls?

@MarkBuffalo r9 290X?

Mark Buffalo

19:44

Ya

I believe so

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo I went of ATI a while back as there were too many problems

Mark Buffalo

Too hard to search on this phone. And benchmarks areninaccessible here

Rory Alsop

incompatibilities, games glitching, reallllly bad fps and lag

Mark Buffalo

@RoryAlsop I had this issue a while back as well. Mostly Linux issues

But that was 7 years ago

Rory Alsop

Whereas this Nvidia card outperformed all my expectations, and despite what benchmarks you may have seen, and your preconceptions - it is awesome

I'll probably leave it at that - I have it in front of me with a TED film playing in 1080p right now, along with 30 odd tabs of Chrome, a couple of word docs, and Portal paused in the left hand screen at fullscreen

SEJPM

19:47

@RoryAlsop it's the best card on the market

Mark Buffalo

In landscape mode, 4K Surround offers up 11,520x2160.

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo NV driver can barely handle that

Mark Buffalo

The thing in mainly wondering about is rory running 7680x2160 and getting good fps in black ops

I know you can run three monitors in 4k

He's doing that

Thomas Pornin

I get thousands of fps with NetHack

4

SEJPM

"Maximum Resolution: 11520x2160"

Mark Buffalo

19:51

Anywat, SLI is worth it if you want to maximize performance. What @DavidFreitag is missing here is that the average fps is just average. All games have points where it drops down considerably. This is where your SLI becomes worth it

Especially if you want to run max detail at 4k

If you're happy with 1080, get 1 card.

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo 2x 980TI should do the job

Rоry McCune

SLI is a really niche requirement...

SEJPM

or maybe 2x Titan X (for dat extra VRAM)

Rоry McCune

my 980TI ain't broke sweat on 1440p gaming so far

but then I don't really play AAA much

Thomas Pornin

Not being able to sit near your PC without an asbestos armour might be considered as a drawback, too.

Mark Buffalo

19:53

Game slowing down during explosions / occasional lag when loading large objects = you get killed before it even loads

SEJPM

@ThomasPornin cause it may catch on fire / heat up a lot? don't worry, this is an AMD exclusive problem

@MarkBuffalo 2x Titan X for that sweet 12GB VRAM / card

Deer Hunter

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I just received an email with an unsolicited job offer from somebody who claims to have found me on Stack Overflow. It was addressed to "Ed", a name I use nowhere but Stack Overflow (it's not my real name), and she says she's looking for a .NET developer, which I am. So "random spam sent to 1,00...

discussion support email

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM that's nuts yeah

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo can't say as I've ever seen a game that recommends 980TI's in SLI to be usuable, that would be a seriously small market for purchasers

Deer Hunter

(and yes, I know I'm late to the meta SO drama party)

SEJPM

19:54

@RоryMcCune dual monitor 4K

Deer Hunter

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tl;dr: We’re planning to make some changes to our ToS to stop companies from scraping user profile information from multiple websites and then spamming them. The changes only restrict a specific kind of commercial use of profile data that is scraped or copied from our site without the user’s per...

discussion careers spam legal terms-of-service

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune most of those games let you turn the settings down

Rоry McCune

@SEJPM sure what I'm getting at is how much money will devs spend setting up a game that can be played by like 1% of the PC gaming community...

doesn't seem like a good ROI

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune crysis? When it first came out. You could still turn the settings down to make it playable

SEJPM

@RоryMcCune it's really easy for the devs to accomodate for dual monitor people

after all it's just another resolution that the driver will handle mostly for you

Rоry McCune

19:56

@SEJPM well I'm not a game dev. :) but I've seen a lot of apps that don't behave well on multi-monitor setups

Mark Buffalo

But @Adi wants his games to look good. And he complained about low fps earlier. Low fps bottlenecks when loading explosions and large objects, or even when someone enters the game, can interfere with that

SEJPM

@RоryMcCune because they don't go full screen?

@RоryMcCune and ubisoft published their ultra textures as extra (free) DLC (R6S) and 6GB+ of VRAM are recommended for running it

Rоry McCune

@SEJPM they go full-screen on a single monitor ok, but the multi-monitor geometry throws them off especially when it changes (e.g. laptops)

so for example windows appearing "off-screen"

Mark Buffalo

Also, @Adi wants video editing prowess. A Titan X might be better for that

Though not necessary

SEJPM

@RоryMcCune #pcmasterrace

supporting high resolutions and high end setups is a question of honor for gamedevs :P

Rоry McCune

19:59

ooookay, I'm more of a pragmatic soul, I like things that work well

SEJPM

and of course their work machines run such setups...

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