The DMZ

Mark Buffalo

19:00

lmfao

Simon

WHOA DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A WEEN OHNUHNUH?

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo i'm trying! it spiders as step 1 and then scancs

@Simon NO! THAT'S THE FUCKIN JOKE YOU CANUCK

Simon

BAHAHAHA

I'm not a Vancouverian :(

Ohnana

whatever, it's all moose-snow land

Simon

@AustinHartzheim You haven't even answered, wanna wrestle?

Mark Buffalo

19:02

I love my tall pants that I got at the big and tall person store

TildalWave

who?

Mark Buffalo

they go down to my calves... that's it...

TildalWave

oh, the person on the chat list

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo that sounds unpleasent

Mark Buffalo

oh wait, no. these are the costco pants

they go down to my calves and I look retarded

Simon

19:03

tall person store fkin lol

How's the weather up there you donut?

TildalWave

cloudy with a chance of meatballs?

Mark Buffalo

It's cold. So cold. Actually, not all that bad. The weather is great here, and there is a great lake breeze.

Simon

It was -23 C this morning here.

Mark Buffalo

That's an ouchy-wouchable.

Simon

Next week, it'll be at least +5 C almost every day.

Mother Nature, you bipolar fuck.

Mark Buffalo

19:05

1.11c here

TildalWave

@Simon it's always windy at your mom's :D

Simon

tildol pls

Mark Buffalo

dsx.weather.com//util/image/w/…

what the fuck

The winds turned that house over. Not a tornado...

Simon

Aw, look at the bears next to each other in the user list.

TildalWave

Mark Buffalo

19:09

@TildalWave nice

@TomLeek Guess what? Hashing is encryption!!!

@TomLeek HASHING IS ENCRYPTION. IT'S ENCRYPTION. IT'S ENCRYPTION

engadget.com/2016/03/03/samsung-16tb-ssd-shipping

you focking wot m8

silverpenguin

I had a 1TB SSD you jelly

have*

Mark Buffalo

...this is 16 TB?

Not 1.6. Not 1. 16.

Simon

"Unfortunately, you won't be seeing this — or any similar SSD — in your next gaming machine anytime soon"

silverpenguin

:<

Simon

WHAT DO YOU NEED 16 TB TO GAME FOR?

silverpenguin

19:12

skyrim

Mark Buffalo

@Simon ...actually...

I wrote a game arcade catalog program

abandoned the project after I ran out of hard drive space for all the roms

actually it was finished. I stopped updating it

So for example, if I rip all of my ps1 and ps2 cds, the space requirements might be a few terabytes. then there's my steam collection

silverpenguin

Why wont they make a new dinocrisis :( dinocrisis 2 was my favorite game

Mark Buffalo

I think I played that for a few minutes

at an arcade or something

TildalWave

OK but you don't need that for "gaming", you need that for online storage... which doesn't really have to be at 1.2 GB/s 20k IOPS

silverpenguin

@MarkBuffalo you havent truely lived

Mark Buffalo

19:17

@TildalWave yes, I must access my games quickly

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo why?

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave to feel good about having something nice?

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave However, a 16 TB storage space with very high IOPS is really nifty for heavy duty rainbow tables.

Mark Buffalo

who cares if it isn't practical. It's all about the feelings

@ThomasPornin And this!!!

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo What difference would it make if it was a normal HDD RAID? 16 TB isn't even all that big of a storage nowadays

Ohnana

19:19

@TildalWave O_O

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave the difference is how I feel about it. If there's a big, bulky HDD raid in my computer, I'm gonna feel pretty shitty, mate. "This is so dirty. I feel like a dinosaur from the 1950s"

Space saving is a good part of it

16TB SSD that's only 2.5" YES, please. YES. OH YES

Simon

Markus came.

Mark Buffalo

@Simon Where?

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave The mating prospects for an average computer geek being what they are, a visible display of wealth can be welcome.

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo you'd first have to see the price tho

Mark Buffalo

19:20

@ThomasPornin This, too.

@TildalWave It's probably like $20k

That's okay too

I'll just have to eat ramen noodles for a year

TildalWave

dude you can have like petabytes on HDD RAIDs with redundancy, hotswaps,... for that money

Xander

@MarkBuffalo Maybe. When the big FusionIO PCI-e cards came out, they were over 100K.

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave I know, but the smaller, the better. It's not the size that matters, it's the face and bragging rights you can gain from having the nicer one.

TildalWave

that's definitely not what she said :)

Mark Buffalo

All the women will be banging on my front door. "Mark Buffalo, let me see your SSD!", and I'll have to turn them away... with the most sorrowful look on my face

because I'm married, and my wife's last name is Bobbit

Ohnana

19:24

:O

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo rumours say samsung will release a 15TB 2.5" SSD soon

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM engadget.com/2016/03/03/samsung-16tb-ssd-shipping ?

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo yes

Mark Buffalo

20 years from now, we're gonna look back and laugh at these puny 16 TB SSDs

TildalWave

@Ohnana there's like 8 TB HDD drives now, you only need two to get to 16 TB, three and you've got RAID 5 at the same size with parity

SEJPM

19:26

@MarkBuffalo apparently the 3.84TB version is priced at 3.3k USD though....

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo I won't laugh at the SSD. I will laugh at you.

Simon

rekt

Ohnana

@ThomasPornin whoa there

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin Why?

SEJPM

@TildalWave there are 10TB HDDs...

Mark Buffalo

19:27

@ThomasPornin Because hashing is encryption?

Ohnana

@TildalWave fair enough, but even 8 TB is insane to me

TildalWave

@SEJPM yeah... I trust you, I didn't check in a while

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo The SSD is just an inert piece of hardware. You are the one who praises it.

Simon

rerekt

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin So? It's still temporarily worthy

SEJPM

19:28

one day we will look back and laugh about those dualcore processors :D

Simon

@SEJPM Aren't we already doing that?

SEJPM

@Simon i'm running one right now

I won't laugh

Simon

@SEJPM Wow, you must live in a third world country like Germany.

Mark Buffalo

wow, even I have a quad core

and my computer is like 5 years old

SEJPM

@Simon still better than the least developed country USA

Mark Buffalo

19:29

it's older than both of my kids combined

Simon

@SEJPM Can't deny that.

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo with 15W you can't fit an x64 Skylake quad core

Xander

@MarkBuffalo You have a desktop then. Or a desktop processor, at least.

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo "Look at this. It’s worthless — ten dollars from a vendor in the street. But I take it, I bury it in the sand for a thousand years, it becomes priceless."

Mark Buffalo

@Xander indeed

also, you can use laptop processors in desktops in some cases

Ohnana

19:30

@ThomasPornin the trick is having it last 1000 years

Matthew

@ThomasPornin Isn't the sand the valuable bit sometimes...

Ohnana

(also plenty of artifacts are junk)

Xander

@MarkBuffalo Err, yes, and they'll still be dual-core.

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo no

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo my media PC is a dual core, but that's all it needs and it's quiet because of it

SEJPM

19:31

those aren't called desktops

Simon

@Ohnana Another trick is to try to not destroy the planet in the next 1k years.

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM yes, I bought a laptop processor for a steep discount, and put it in a desktop motherboard

Thomas Pornin

@Xander I have a laptop with something that is marketed as "quad core" but that's a bit wrong; there are four integer cores but only two FP/SSE cores.

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave Yea, media pcs don't need too much

Thomas Pornin

It is an AMD A8 something.

SEJPM

19:31

@ThomasPornin AMD D:

Simon

INTEL MASTER RACE

Mark Buffalo

AMD is for people who are poor and can't afford an Intel chip

secretly hides his AMD chips

Simon

I wouldn't expect pornu to be poor.

Mark Buffalo

@Simon He lives in Canada. No amount of money can make up for that :((((((((

Simon

pls

SEJPM

19:32

@MarkBuffalo laptop processors can't be dismounted?

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM What do you mean?

Xander

@ThomasPornin I had some AMD laptops in the past. They were very good for heating things up, and having the loudest fans. For other things, not so much.

SEJPM

You need a warm room? Go and buy AMD.

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM This is the only reason I didn't freeze to death on the rez

I had an AMD computer next to me to keep me warm

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo aren't they soldered onto the mainboard?

Thomas Pornin

19:34

@Xander Mine got a lot cooler when I deactivated the GPU.

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM Depends... this was a while back

SEJPM

@ThomasPornin and used a proper nvidia GPU?

TildalWave

@MarkBuffalo worst it does is HEVC decoding and does that perfectly... maybe it won't be enough with something else than H.265 but should do for the foreseeable future

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM newegg.com/Product/…

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo ahhhhhh

Thomas Pornin

19:35

@SEJPM I am running on the GPU integrated in the CPU. I deactivated the external GPU (Radeon) because it was generating too much heat.

SEJPM

pre Intel Core i

Xander

@MarkBuffalo No, that's wrong. Different sockets. You need a laptop motherboard for a laptop processor.

Mark Buffalo

Depends on the socket

@Xander No. You are wrong. I am trying to show him that not all cpus are soldered to the motherboard.

@Xander I am talking about an older pentium

Thomas Pornin

With the internal GPU, no heat, no fan, much longer battery autonomy.

Mark Buffalo

I'm trying to find it though

Xander

19:35

@MarkBuffalo Which processor, specifically?

@MarkBuffalo K

TildalWave

You guys read about the plans for the new Opterons? If that materializes it's gonna whoop Intel's ass

SEJPM

@ThomasPornin I thought you deactivated the internal one to only use an external... nvm

Mark Buffalo

This was years ago... I don't remember the socket type, but the CPU shared the same socket type with a regular desktop socket type

SEJPM

@TildalWave Skylake-EX

AMD won't have any chance in the server market

Mark Buffalo

So I got the laptop processor at a deep discount. The retailer tried to talk me out of it, but I assured them it would work

TildalWave

19:37

@SEJPM dunno, I think they're doing just fine so far

SEJPM

@TildalWave no

AMD sells nearly no server processors

It's ARM, PowerPC and Intel

TildalWave

sure, it won't disrupt the market, but their server parts are pretty good for the asking price IMO

SEJPM

@TildalWave comnpanies care about the price?

TildalWave

dunno, but I do and I use servers :P

Simon

Ok so I want a new exhaust for my car but prefer to keep my money (1k Canadian monies) so I thought it'd be a good idea if the 22 of you in the chat would give me 45.45$.

SEJPM

19:40

@TildalWave so no 28-cores for you :D

Simon

I will start a gofundme campain.

TildalWave

@SEJPM no, I'll be just fine with 32 :P

SEJPM

@TildalWave 28 per processor....

up to 8x per board

Mark Buffalo

@Xander AMD Athlon XP

TildalWave

@SEJPM hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/…

Matthew

19:42

@Simon Aren't 1000 Canadian moneys about 50p sterling?

TildalWave

I'm talking about single chip, 32 cores w/ SMT

Mark Buffalo

still need to verify if this is the right chip. I think it was

@Xander Yeah. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_A

Nowadays, we have different socket types

Ohnana

@Matthew oh jesus isn't the p equivalent to an american cent?

Xander

@SEJPM @TildalWave Then tend to care about TDP and efficiency more than initial purchase price. When your'e talking about data center scale, your big costs are power and cooling, not servers.

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana pound sterling would be the British "dollar", I think?

Ohnana

19:45

@MarkBuffalo oh

never mind

misread the p as pence and got really freaked out

Matthew

@Ohnana I think a US cent is about 0.6p

I don't know what a Canadian cent is

Ohnana

@Matthew you're right!

TildalWave

@Xander yeah I know, but like I said, I'm thinking also for own use, not just enterprise one

Xander

@MarkBuffalo Ah! That was back in the day.

TildalWave

besides, AMD also sells ARM-based servers

Ohnana

19:47

current exchange puts 2 CAD at 1 GBX

Xander

@TildalWave Yeah, that's a totally different ballgame.

Mark Buffalo

@Xander I swear this feels like 4-5 years ago... didn't realize it was way back then

TildalWave

I'm just saying they don't make bad servers, that's all... market share and all that, that's a different thing

SEJPM

@TildalWave so no high count processors for you anyway

TildalWave

@SEJPM I still dunno what you mean

Opterons have always scaled better than Intel processors on single boards

and if they're gonna have 32 full-fledged cores as opposed to 28 virtualized ones,...

Simon

19:48

@Matthew da fuks are p sterling son?

SEJPM

@TildalWave if you actually look at the price you won't buy those with more than 10 cores, aren't you?

Simon

Anyway, all of this is irrelevant, just give me the monies, lads.

SEJPM

@Simon no money in third world for canada :(

Simon

u suk

TildalWave

@SEJPM well, dunno... but it's so far clear that you get more cores for the same money if you go for AMD compared to Intel ... of course, core count is just as pointless metric as most others

SEJPM

19:51

@TildalWave I can even imagine that $ / core is in favor of AMD

TildalWave

Intel is nice, but they do seem a bit complacent and I don't see too much innovation there ... things are moving in different directions now ... I kinda miss the RISC years TBH

Xander

@Simon The kind of moneys that are worth something, as opposed to Cananaden moneys.

Simon

@Xander Anything you will say will be irrelevant until no one in your country votes for Trump.

SEJPM

@TildalWave back in the day when you soldered the mainboard yourself?

Simon

OKAY XANDUR?

TildalWave

19:53

@SEJPM neah :) back when there were Alpha processors whooping Netburst's bottom

Xander

@Simon I can't hear you, I think you're speaking French again.

Simon

ffs

SEJPM

@TildalWave IIRC there will be FPGAs and some new fancy instruction sets (like SHA-Extensions or AVX512) in the Skylake server processors...

@TildalWave what is alpha? (except for a greek letter)

TildalWave

DEC Alpha

Alpha, originally known as Alpha AXP, is a 64-bit reduced instruction set computing (RISC) instruction set developed by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), designed to replace their 32-bit VAX complex instruction set computer (CISC) instruction set. Alpha was implemented in microprocessors originally developed and fabricated by DEC. These microprocessors were most prominently used in a variety of DEC workstations and servers, which eventually formed the basis for almost all of their mid-to-upper-scale lineup. Several third-party vendors also produced Alpha systems, including PC form factor...

Xander

@SEJPM Yeah, the integrated FPGAs are going to be stellar. I can't wait for that.

Simon

19:55

Have a good weekend you donuts.

Xander

@Simon You too!

SEJPM

@TildalWave RIP 1992 - 2007

TildalWave

yeah, it's a shame, those were some mean ass rigs

kinda last time I felt excited for any hardware

they were truly remarkable machines, but it took quite a bit different approach to programming for them

Mark Buffalo

@TildalWave huh, me too :/

Austin Hartzheim

@Simon I think I'll pass on your earlier offers.

Thomas Pornin

20:06

@TildalWave I had an Alpha as main desktop machine back in 1999-2001

I also had a few for home servers.

My last one was happily running FreeBSD, but the board died one day.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin :(

I had this happen a few times with older machines

Thomas Pornin

The CPU were really fine, but a lot of boards were not up to the task.

TildalWave

we used them for things like geospatial indexing, they were unimaginably fast with stuff like that if I'd invite some CISC fan over... people simply couldn't believe such complex shifting of data can be done so fast

Thomas Pornin

The DEC engineers had spent years building up a tradition of nifty optimisations at the transistor level, which is why they could clock their CPU at 500 MHz when the competitors (Intel, IBM/Motorola...) were stalling at about 200 MHz.

The completely orthogonal instruction set was a boon for assembly optimization, too.

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune I bit the bullet and bought an iPad last night :x

Thomas Pornin

20:11

No stack. No flag register.

Mark Buffalo

iOS feels so much better than android in nearly every way

But I suspect this might be the initial novelty factor

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo it's designed to be trivial to use

and Apple is really good at this

Mark Buffalo

Yeah it seems that way

But I mainly like the quality and polish

SEJPM

What a sad story with Alpha, sold to Compaq, who set on Itanium (another total flop) and then sold to Intel to be burried :(

@MarkBuffalo I was told that modern iOS versions are really hard to break

Mark Buffalo

@SEJPM What do you mean?

SEJPM

20:18

@MarkBuffalo safest way to communicate today: fully patched iOS + iPod + Signal

Mark Buffalo

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo and apparently iOS 0 days are much more expensive than android ones

@MarkBuffalo context?

Xander

@MarkBuffalo That's kind of harsh.

Mark Buffalo

"termination" means "execution/kill/murder"

SEJPM

@Xander I guess the context is some sort of kindergarten or something

Xander

20:20

@SEJPM private school or daycare.

Mark Buffalo

Yeah, it's a daycare. They're terminating the child's right to attend

But they word it like they're terminating him

Matthew

@SEJPM Well, they tend to work more consistently - to test an Android one, you need to buy loads of devices

SEJPM

@Matthew depends on what part of android you're targeting?

Matthew

@SEJPM Up to a point, but even if you target a core part, there are still devices running a massive range of versions. iOS has a much better rate of uptake for OS updates, since Apple runs it all

SEJPM

@ThomasPornin, would you mind answering the top unanswered question on crypto soon?

Mark Buffalo

20:23

defensenews.com/story/military/2016/03/03/…

Thomas Pornin

@SEJPM The Signal/Telegram one ?

SEJPM

@ThomasPornin yes

Thomas Pornin

I am not sure I want to invest time digging through the documentations to try to unravel all the mistakes they made.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin It's that bad?

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo I didn't look at it. Generally, most systems are "that bad".

Maybe these ones are not, but that would be uncharacteristic.

SEJPM

20:26

@MarkBuffalo I could find three big issues after a short search, imagine what a bear could find

Mark Buffalo

Sounds like it's "too broad" if it's unanswered, and you want to find all the mistakes..

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo formally, I want a protocol comparison which may limit itself to the three points I mentioned in the question

informally, a judgement on Telegram's protocol and more aspects are desired

Mark Buffalo

ah

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo there's even an anti-close comment below the question

Ohnana

zerodium makes me unhappy

Mark Buffalo

20:32

@SEJPM I heard they don't pay out

Apparently @Adi got screwed by them?

VM escapes are worth $50k? luls

There are a million ways to escape a VM

> "* All payout amounts are chosen at the discretion of ZERODIUM and are subject to change or cancellation without notice."

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo have fun farming money

Ohnana

aka fuck you asshole, did you expect us to have ethics? sucker.

Mark Buffalo

ASLR bypass... $40k? LOL

anti-virus.... 40k?

...

SEJPM

@MarkBuffalo if only you'd have known earlier, you'd be rich by now?

Mark Buffalo

except, well, I don't really care enough about money to compromise my principles

Iszi

20:45

@MarkBuffalo Wow. Remote Jailbreak is their top-dollar stuff, for any OS.

RIP: Chat?

Mark Buffalo

@Iszi Yeah, I think that wouldn't be too difficult to do

What I like to do is detect remote jail breaking

It's relatively simple

In China, I detected a RJB on my galaxy note in the form of a video text message. RE'd that, and figured out how to do it

SEJPM

@Iszi apparently :(

Iszi

Sep 26 '12 at 13:07, by Iszi

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