The DMZ

Rоry McCune

12:00

@AviD you expect me to read a whole 7 minutes of transcript before ridiculing PHP?

kalina

@Simon yes

AviD

@RоryMcCune its like the next line

kalina

Logic is similar to Cubase in many ways and completely different in others

Rоry McCune

@AviD nu uh there were three lines between the end of your bit and that bit .

kalina

and then you've the elite team who will scoff at anything that isn't ProTools

AviD

12:01

pfft

Rоry McCune

I looked to the end of your bit, didn't see a mention of ghetto source control and typed

kalina

You looked at the end of his "bit"?

CodesInChaos

I used copy based source control in some of my early delphi projects.

Rоry McCune

@kalina yes, meaning section of text and not any other scurrilous meaning you might choose to take from it

kalina

@RоryMcCune but I thought everything was a euphemism

Rоry McCune

12:03

@CodesInChaos yeah I used to do that to, till I got burned and lost some code.. now I use proper source control

CodesInChaos

I'm not sure, but I think my first project using real source control (svn) was written in php.

Rоry McCune

@CodesInChaos my days as a PHP coder it was tar -czvf source.tar.gz source and e-mail to myself

@kalina even that?

Simon

@kalina BUT I WANNA SEE IF THE GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE

Rоry McCune

Green Grass and High Tides

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Obligatory

Simon

I'm not sure if I want to dare.

Rоry McCune

12:08

@Simon listen, it's good

kalina

what does that even say

"want to dare"

I'm not sure if I'm even sure.

Simon

pls let me be French Canadian in peace.

Rоry McCune

@kalina is that a euphamism?

Simon

@RоryMcCune Not bad but it was a slight country feeling to it which usually makes me insane.

kalina

@RоryMcCune is that a euphemism?

pls, you didn't even spell euphemism right

Rоry McCune

12:10

48 secs ago, by Rоry McCune

@kalina is that a euphamism?

Simon

eupha

Rоry McCune

@Simon it has good guitars though

can't go wrong with a good bit of guitar

Simon

Like Bluegrass is one of the very few genres that make me want to rip my ears apart.

0

Q: Can someone help me with the pCloud Crypto Hacking Challenge?

Yesterday I was browsing thru reddit and stumbbled upon this hacking challenge bt cloud storage company pCloud. https://www.pcloud.com/challenge/ Seems like they have file encryption like Spideroak and Tresorit but claim its better. Can someone give me hints with where do I start. Im a student ...

pls

Rоry McCune

Dragon Force - Through the Fire and Flames - Tina S Cover

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There you go guitars without bluegrass

Simon

"I can't even make microwavable 1 minute rice without fucking up"

LOL

Yeah she has skills.

Rоry McCune

12:21

@Simon ahh I wondered where that came from ... the comments

Simon

Yep.

Rоry McCune

yeah I do boggle at someone being able to play that flawlessly (to my inexperienced ears anyway) all the way through

TildalWave

TIL that it's Friday LOL

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave \o/ Friday

TildalWave

that changes plans somewhat

I can haz moar beer

Simon

12:23

Friday Friday, gonna get down on Friday

Rоry McCune

must be a bummer being someone who works weekends

and Fridays the start of the working week

Simon

WHICH SEAT SHOULD I TAAAAAKE?

kalina

@Simon misread as gotta go down on Friday

was like, huh, do I know you

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune I kinda work any day I want but Fridays are special in a way that nobody takes me seriously anyway :D

Simon

pls

Rоry McCune

12:25

@TildalWave you freelance, or does your company just have a loose interpretation of "working week"?

TildalWave

it's just never finished during normal work hours

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave ahh :/ that's the less good version. Although we're similar, many jobs aren't really scoped to be completable 9-5 Mon-Fri

kalina

@RоryMcCune not really tbh

because then you work for 2 days per week instead of 5

I'm unsure why that would suck

especially since "working" is basically "going out"

Simon

@kalina It seems that I've solved my delay issue on my TB-3 last night, it might actually be somewhat useful now.

Rоry McCune

@kalina well everyone's out partying/relaxing on friday and you're working

kalina

12:27

@RоryMcCune by providing the party...

Simon

My D provides the party too.

kalina

yes, I have had that Monday morning feeling on a Friday afternoon

where I just want to cancel and I have no energy and fuck it bed is so comfy

but really, it's not working like working is

Rоry McCune

@kalina well your work location is likely a bit different to most offices...

Simon

Nah, she plays for startups in Silicon Valley.

kalina

@Simon even if I did this, that would still be a bit different to most offices

Simon

12:29

True, it'd be at some nurdz mom's house.

kalina

or Google's campus

which would still be unlike most offices

I feel you're missing the point and I'm bored of the repetition

Simon

Yeah we can move on.

Rоry McCune

12:42

well that killed the room

Rory Alsop

12:59

@RоryMcCune I managed 100% on that song on rock band... Eventually

And Tina S unfortunately had no feeling in her playing, which somehow makes the soulless speed of DragonForce even worse

Simon

@kalina Roro just called all women soulless.

Rory Alsop

... How?

Simon

I'm just trying to revive the chat by igniting everything on fire.

Rory Alsop

Copying your hero (ine)

Simon

wot

Rоry McCune

13:04

@RoryAlsop it's still an impressive technical achievement :)

@Simon it's a subtle allusion to the fact that @kalina is your hero

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune oh, I agree! I've seen DragonForce play it live and they made more mistakes than she did

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop although doing it in a concert as part of a set must be way harder

than in a recording studio

Rory Alsop

Yeah - it does show the difference between someone like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani or Eric Johnson live and folks like DragonForce. Some can play while running around/singing/entertaining the crowd, others need to stay still and play

Rоry McCune

Prince, Tom Petty, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynne and others -- "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"

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was a good example of different styles I thought..

Rory Alsop

And different ways of holding a guitar...

Rоry McCune

13:14

and prince being a nutter (but good with it)

Rory Alsop

Lol

kalina

13:26

@RоryMcCune I have noted the lack of response to this comment

maybe that's why he's so mean to me

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah @Simon is trying to throw people off the trail of the fact the he idolises you

I reckon he'll have a MLP tattoo by now

Simon

pls

Rоry McCune

@Simon you've not got the tattoo yet?

Simon

re-pls

Rоry McCune

Peter, Bjorn & John - Young Folks

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you young folks..

kalina

13:39

@RоryMcCune cutie marks

RoraΖ

13:55

Can anyone confirm the main part of my answer here?

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A: Role of derived keys in EAP-PSK in WPA-2

What you have to understand is that EAP is less of a protocol, and more of a framework. The terminology from this answer is valid because of the following quote from the IEEE 802.11i wiki page: To derive the PMK from the PSK, the PSK is put through PBKDF2-SHA1 as the cryptographic hash fun...

or just relentlessly tell me how stupid I am and it doesn't work that way at all.

Terry Chia

@RoraΖ You are stupid and it doesn't work that way at all.

RoraΖ

@TerryChia You know I saw it coming, and I just didn't have the energy to stop it.

Simon

@RoraΖ The DMZ, predictable since 1985.

Arperum

@RoraΖ I got bored of the idea before I even finished typing, so I didn't.

kalina

14:16

@RoraΖ downvoted, not because it's wrong because I don't know if it's wrong or right, but because it's not written in a way that defeated my ADD before I got bored

removed downvote before i accidentally forget and leave it there

RoraΖ

@kalina haha. I take it I should remove the entire section of key generation?

Simon

Nah, remove the whole answer and add the "aliens" picture.

kalina

@RoraΖ I don't know if it's wrong or right

you're asking the wrong person

partially because I don't know but primarily because I don't care

I care as much about you being able to post gibberish on some website as you care about the fact NI Komplete just started installing Polyplex

I give the least amount of fucks about that particular subject

for a total of zero fucks

RoraΖ

I was just asking how to improve my answer, but yeah ok I get it. You don't care.

Simon

Polyplex looks somewhat neat.

kalina

14:25

@RoraΖ pls you should know by now I'm only here for the chat pls dnt b mad

(s/m/gl)ad*

Simon

@RoraΖ You're asking the wrong lads, we have no idea what this thing is.

kalina

pls @RoraΖ give constructive feedback on this answer I did that explains how audio compression works

pls pls pls

Simon

It takes the audio and then

it compresses it

kalina

NO

Simon

BOOM, audio compression.

kalina

14:26

YOU ARE WRONG

STOP BEING SO WRONG - YOU'RE HURTING ME

Simon

You're just mad because I understand concepts so well that I explain them like a pro.

Rоry McCune

ahh look at you two, bickering like an old married couple :op

Simon

wat

Rоry McCune

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillTheyOrWontThey <-- it's that TV trope all over

kalina

I doubt @Simon is well equipped enough for me to overcome all of his other flaws

Rоry McCune

14:32

@kalina just like in moonlighting ! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Moonlighting

Simon

I'm equipped like a turtle.

Rоry McCune

@Simon F....T....M....I

Simon

Fucking too much info?

pls roro don't swear

Rоry McCune

@Simon I was going for "Far" rather than the word you used

Simon

much lies

Rоry McCune

14:34

@Simon pls it's not my fault that's where your mind went

Simon

:OOOO

kalina

let's face it, who would want a girlfriend who is as damaged as I am anyway?

seems like too much trouble

Simon

Don't emo on this fine Friday.

kalina

I'm not emoing, I'm just being a realist

Simon

Lads, I'm getting half of my sleeve started on Wednesday @@@

Rоry McCune

14:41

@Simon it's fluttershy isn't it?

Simon

pls

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah DJ girlfriends who get to go back stage at hot clubs, who would want that

(I'm guessing the answer is young people who like music)

ryanyuyu

I was referred here from my meta post: meta.security.stackexchange.com/questions/2024/… should I just post my proposed question?

I mean here in chat?

Simon

Sure, go ahead.

ryanyuyu

I was working in a plunker (an online HTML javascript demo-hosting site), and I wanted to download my work as a .zip file. I took the following actions:

1. Tried to download my work in a .zip file.
2. Chrome raised an alert in my download bar saying that the .zip file "may harm [my] browsing experience, so Chrome has block it."
3. I noticed that a file called `Unconfirmed 158006.crdownload` was actually added in my Downloads folder.
4. I renamed the file with a .zip extension (since I was expecting one)

Simon

14:48

This does not seem to be different than downloading an unknown zip from a website if you want to consider the case where Plunker distributes malware.

ryanyuyu

true

So if I simplified my question

I'm the most concerned with knowing if the download itself is a risk

Simon

The action of downloading a file?

ryanyuyu

Or if it only becomes a risk when I rename it with an extension

Or (more specific to .zip files) when extracting/using files

Simon

It becomes a risk when you execute it.

I'm not aware of a vulnerability where software is executed after getting renamed.

RoraΖ

Yeah it seems unlikely that renaming a file would cause remote code execution.

ryanyuyu

14:51

cool. So would the question I have be on-topic as is?

Or should I simplify it down to what we discussed just now?

RoraΖ

I'm surprised that Chrome still downloaded the zip file completely.

Were all your files there?

ryanyuyu

Yes

The only thing that happened was the file was downloaded as Unconfirmed 158006.crdownload

Just some random 100kB file

kalina

@RоryMcCune sure, that's if you look exclusively at the positives

how about the weird working hours, the being awake at weird times, the easy access to other guys and the paranoia that causes, the loud music at random hours, the doing what I want when I want, etc

and that's before even getting to the psychological damage

Simon

@ryanyuyu I'm pretty sure this is how Chrome sandboxes files but I'm assuming that it failed to delete it after "blocking" it.

kalina

blocking it doesn't delete it, it blocks it

Terry Chia

14:55

@ryanyuyu It's absolutely possible that the act of extracting a zip archive potentially compromises your machine if your zip tool has vulnerabilities.

Is it likely though? No.

Rоry McCune

@kalina nothing wrong with looking at the positives!

Simon

Everything's possible #yolo

Rоry McCune

@kalina remember no-one's perfect

RoraΖ

@TerryChia I feel like this question has already been answered.

Terry Chia

@RoraΖ So has almost every other question.

ryanyuyu

14:57

@Simon yeah I suppose it was just a moment of developer paranoia

Simon

@TerryChia Oh yeah? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DINOSAURS?

Terry Chia

@Simon Yo momma sat on them.

RoraΖ

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Q: Can malicious code trigger without the user executing or opening the file?

If a file is downloaded from the Internet, and saved on disk, but is not opened by a user (if we keep autorun off), are there any chances that malicious code (e.g. a virus) in the file could trigger? I'm not asking about attacks that could be made while downloading, or on browsing to a site - im...

exploit virus vulnerability

Simon

@ryanyuyu You've had a good reflex to wonder if trusting Splunker is fine.

ryanyuyu

Ooh that question title sounds promising

Simon

14:58

@RoraΖ Oh wow and it was asked recently.

kalina

@ryanyuyu quit the weed

RoraΖ

@ryanyuyu The gist of the answer is, yes these things are possible. But they aren't often found in the wild.

Simon

^

RoraΖ

Now it's time for beer

ryanyuyu

Awesome. Thanks guys.

RoraΖ

14:59

Happy Friday everyone!

kalina

Everything is possible. Even the word "Impossible" says "I'm possible".

Simon

pls kalinuh

kalina

pls Simun

Simon

@RoraΖ Enjoy.

kalina

A special place where bears are ponies, pyros are ponies and mods are also ponies

Simon

15:01

And Simons don't exist?

kalina

what's a Simon?

ryanyuyu

as ponies?

Simon

I really have no idea what's up with women's obsession for ponies.

kalina

is that a serious question

what's not to like about ponies

horses are fantastic

ponies are cuter horses

thus even more awesome

like some kind of awesome fantastic super cute mini horse

ryanyuyu

makes sense to me. Unless you're a gambler better on race horses.

Simon

15:04

I'm so not impressed by horses.

kalina

well that's probably because they make you feel insecure

Simon

wat

They're horses, not lions.

Rоry McCune

@Simon have you heard the phase "hung like a horse" .. I would suggest that @kalina is alluding to this

Simon

@RоryMcCune Nope.

Rоry McCune

@Simon it refers to the size of reproductive organs on males

Simon

15:08

o lawd

Rоry McCune

@Simon so the implication that ponies make you feel insecure is an intended slight on the size of yours relative to small horses

</jokeexplainer>

Simon

I believe that the fact that I didn't even think about that shows that I'm far from insecure.

that that that that

Rоry McCune

@Simon no that just shows you're ignorant of the idiom :op

Simon

pls

I'm aware that a horse has one hell of a ween.

kalina

@Simon pls, it just means you avoided bringing it up long enough to use this line

Simon

15:16

Sigh.

What I do: "pls", what the world sees me do: "PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS"

kalina

actually when you say pls I switch it for swear words

David Freitag

@kalina AFAIK the build worked just fine with Windows 7. I'm going to have to assume the issues is PEBKAC related.

kalina

@DavidFreitag do you mean to say that @RoryAlsop is the problem?

Simon

Wow dovid, don't attack old men like that.

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David Freitag

@kalina sorry to say it, but yes

kalina

15:30

@DavidFreitag that's disgraceful

David Freitag

Also, @RoryAlsop why did you switch from 7 to 10?

kalina

even I wasn't this dismissive when I built my PCs without issue

you're just straight up going "NOPE NOT MY FAULT"

which is exactly what somebody whose fault it was would say

David Freitag

Everything is compatible it should be recognized at the hardware level by the uefi

And once again AFAIK everything worked perfectly fine with 7

If he were here I'd be asking him about it, but he's not so I can only speculate

Simon

New City Gas sends me an email to tell me to not miss 3lau there.

pls NCG, pls.

kalina

@DavidFreitag so your solution is to use an OS approaching end of life?

that's a pretty poor solution for... well, anything

finished installing Rounds... now installing Scarbee MM-Bass

only 18 more things and then Komplete is installed

Simon

15:41

Why on earth do you have to reinstall all this?

kalina

well you see, when you get a new PC, it starts with nothing on it

and then over a period of time, you reinstall all of your things

and then you don't need to install them again

Simon

How many new PCs do you buy a year you donut?

kalina

oh, erm

about...

Simon

197?

kalina

about 0.4 PCs per year

so it isn't really worth automating it

Simon

15:45

I wonder if I were to buy a new Mac if I could just take my current hard drive and stick it in the new Mac.

I believe that it would work since it's pretty much the same hardware.

@DavidFreitag dovid, any idea? ^

kalina

otherwise I'd end up spending forever updating the script

@Simon I can't believe that somebody I would chat to willingly would say such a silly thing

as if Apple have actually put a removable hard drive in their laptops for like... ever

Simon

What? I upgraded mine to an SSD last year.

A Time Machine back up might be more appropriate though.

kalina

pls, apple solder their flash to the motherboard

Simon

pls.

David Freitag

@kalina no what I'm saying is that if there were a hardware issue it wouldn't have worked with 7

kalina

15:52

once komplete is complete I'm still not even complete

@DavidFreitag and what I'm saying is that if there was a Rory issue the universe would end due to the paradox created

David Freitag

@kalina Rory himself admitted that there were some PEBKAC issues during the assembly phase...

Simon

Here we go, I googled Polyplex and now I'm seeing ads of it.

David Freitag

@Simon I don't know apple hardware, sorry.

Simon

usuk

David Freitag

But if I had to guess, I'd say as long as the architecture is the same (same CPU type) and the OS is compatible with the hardware then you should be good to go

But that being said I wouldn't recommend it

Rоry McCune

16:04

@DavidFreitag you wouldn't recommend apple, good call

Simon

pls

Today is an overload of pls.

kalina

16:42

@DavidFreitag are you made from Teflon? Nothing sticks to you? Always slides off onto somebody else and becomes their responsibility?

I'm so glad I don't shop with David Freitag Computer Consultants LLC

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