The DMZ

Clear question with examples

02:41

What word do I use for preventing a potential attack?

Patching maybe

Xander

03:04

@Clearquestionwithexamples Mitigation

Or prevention. Either one works.

Patching is one specific example.

Rory Alsop

04:52

Morning all

@AviD - it was the crowne plaza on the beach front

Rory Alsop

05:10

@Xander that article is funnier in that it tries to pop up an article on good sex when you try to close it

AviD

06:46

@RoryAlsop ah very good, thanks

M'vy

07:10

Morning!

Rory Alsop

@AviD is a nice hotel and reasonably priced

2

AviD

yeah thanks, just didnt remember which one it was. I was asked for reccomendations, but what do I know? I drive 20 minutes to get there, I never need a hotel.

M'vy

You're a hotel

it's written right here

AviD

@M'vy pffft

M'vy

sorry, morning

I take easy shot

AviD

07:13

yes, yes it is

I'm still squeeeeing

gonna announce in a few minutes.

M'vy

shouldn't you be voiceless since yesterday?

AviD

no? why?

M'vy

the squeeeeeing

AviD

heh. and the bouncing.

Rоry McCune

08:26

@AviD it is now a few minutes later....

where's the annoucement? don't tell me the DMZ isn't the premier location for such things?!?

M'vy

Don't tell me you invited a president candidate

One guys I'd probably like to meet would be Kevin Mitnick I guess :) But I won't probably be at the conference, so I won't meet mystery person I suppose.

Rоry McCune

@M'vy AFAIK Mr Mitnick does the conf. circuit quite a bit, so that could be poss...

CodesInChaos

Today I learned about a great threat to small children flying separate from their parents: sexual predictors

AviD

09:31

@RоryMcCune pffft Mister Stopwatch

there, ya happy?

@M'vy nah, he'd be interesting, but not appsecy enough for this crowd.

M'vy

^^

AviD

09:51

so @RоryMcCune didja see it?

M'vy

it?

AviD

1 hour ago, by Rоry McCune

where's the annoucement? don't tell me the DMZ isn't the premier location for such things?!?

@M'vy YOU obviously dont follow my twerts.

M'vy

10:13

@AviD if you have a twitter account I don't have it.

AviD

well whose fault is that then??

and shame on you.

not that I give a damn.

M'vy

@AviD well it's not on your profile

AviD

your face is not on my profile

M'vy

@AviD that would be awkward

AviD

heh okay that broke

M'vy

10:18

Anyway, should you provide me a link I'll add you to my following list

CodesInChaos

@sec_tigger see also list of sec.se members on twitter

AviD

I am very excited to announce that @jeremiahg will be giving the Keynote address at #AppSecIL! Register now! https://appsecil2015.eventbrite.com/

Tweeted by sec_tigger on October 1, 2015 at 9:30 AM

@CodesInChaos ha, thats cool!

OHMIGOSH this is creepy:

Manish Goregaokar

@ManishEarth, Mumbai, India

Avid reader, programmer, loves science. Physics student. Open source aficionado. Currently poking at the Rust programming language and the Servo browser engine.

1.9k tweets, 530 followers, following 322 users

> AviD reader

WTF, @ManishEarth??

M'vy

10:32

@AviD he reads you like an open book

Well I'd be surprised he would have known for the squeeing thing.

Journeyman Geek

@AviD: What you really need to know is what he reads...

tea? pawprints? ENTRAILS?

Xander

11:08

@RoryAlsop Ha. I didn't see that. Whoops.

Adi

@Avi Seen this? twitter.com/FireEye/status/649482650391048192

Apparently, Israel now is just Sinai desert

AviD

@Adi ha, that is funny

count on FireEye to find new ways of suckage

@Adi I did not hold my tongue

.@FireEye looks like somebody really needs some geography lessons, or at least a map... Since when does Israel consist only of Sinai desert?

Tweeted by sec_tigger on October 1, 2015 at 11:15 AM in reply to FireEye

go ahead and retwert that. Public shaming is always fun. Especially annoying companies.

CodesInChaos

11:23

I can't really shame them, since I suck at geography as well.

AviD

ooh, we need a memegif of that map, "Fools, that's not Israel - It's China"

CodesInChaos

Though I'd probably be wise enough to look it up.

AviD

@CodesInChaos exactly

CodesInChaos

Though deciding which borders to use for Israel sounds like a tricky problem.

Adi

@AviD Oh, come on! You should have written something about them being anti-semitic or something.

That would instantly give their PR people a heartattack :D

CodesInChaos

11:24

About as tricky as drawing the border between India and Pakistan.

AviD

@Adi nah, thats too drama-queen and racism-indulgent

@Adi heh, maybe....

CodesInChaos

Reminds me of Windows 95 highlighting the current time-zone.

A feature which they removed because Peru and Ecuador couldn't agree on their border.

AviD

heehee, I followed up with something

@Adi lemme know if that is anti-semitic enough for you

Adi

@AviD Jesus! :D

hehehehehe

Yeah, that's stuff!

AviD

@Adi Jesus was anti-semitic...?

Simon

11:43

MRW after upgrading to El Capitan: "What a waste of 6 GB of bandwidth".

ManishEarth

@AviD I know your darkest secrets

Beware

AviD

@Simon also very similar to what your mom said about you.

@ManishEarth I dont have dark secrets

Simon

Yes because my mom knows what bandwidth is.

ManishEarth

Yes you do

AviD

@ManishEarth my secrets aren't dark

the dark ones aren't secret

ManishEarth

11:44

hah

Simon

@AviD Racist.

AviD

@Simon exactly. But the opposite of that.

ManishEarth

Ethnic secrets

Journeyman Geek

@ManishEarth: Ethnic secrets... like your grandmother's spice mix?

ManishEarth

Yum yum, konkani fish curry

Journeyman Geek

11:48

lol

@AviD: Didn't the israelis give that back?

AviD

"back"

but yes

it is wholly owned by Egypt

Journeyman Geek

Well, they primarily invaded it to make a point ;p

AviD

NOT where I live, contrary to the best of @Simon's knowledge

Journeyman Geek

They don't have the same sort of sentimental attachment they have with say Jerusalem

ManishEarth

@JourneymanGeek I think that's the only reason people invade each other today

AviD

11:50

@JourneymanGeek "you hit me with a stick - I'M TAKIN THE STICK"

ManishEarth

Crimea was just Putin telling the world "I take what I want."

AviD

@JourneymanGeek true

M'vy

back

Journeyman Geek

@ManishEarth: On the contrary.... there's oil

ManishEarth

Yeah, yeah

AviD

11:51

@JourneymanGeek yeah.... Israel doesnt do much oil.

Journeyman Geek

and er...

AviD

some of the biggest natural gas reserves, though.

Journeyman Geek

general piss fights...

AviD

@JourneymanGeek drugs and parties

ManishEarth

Though

Journeyman Geek

11:51

@AviD: Well, no one wants to invade israel for that...

ManishEarth

cc.com/video-clips/5h8y05/… puts it awesomely

AviD

@JourneymanGeek no, the invading is something else entirely

@ManishEarth flaaaaaash

Journeyman Geek

In putin's case he's trying to keep countries from going over to the western sphere of influence...

so... political **** length comparisons

ManishEarth

yeah

Journeyman Geek

and of course, russian oil goes through the ukraine.

Adi

12:02

Ugghhh.. Fuck Putin!

and every single pro-Putin Russian

TildalWave

@Adi how about pro-Putin non-Russians?

ManishEarth

How about pro-Russia Putins?

Adi

@TildalWave Oh, sorry.

and every pro-Putin person

TildalWave

that's better :)

AviD

@Adi WHAT ABOUT THE BEARS

ManishEarth

12:04

YOU CANNOT HATE BEARS

TildalWave

bears are not pro-putin obviously

ok, maybe as a meal

Adi

I'd have the most bland meh if every single pro-Putin person drops dead

I don't think I've ever hated a group of people like that before

ManishEarth

@Adi any specific reason?

TildalWave

not even republicans? :O

ManishEarth

slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/…

Adi

12:06

@ManishEarth The pro-Assad Russian invasion of Syria

ManishEarth

Ah I see

AviD

ManishEarth

Thought it would be a Syria-related thing. But I haven't kept up with Syrian history that much

TildalWave

@AviD that only works on Facebook, I actually know what the original photos looked like

ManishEarth

I know it's all kinds of fucked up, that's all

Adi

12:07

@ManishEarth Especially where they're trying to convince the world that the reason is to fight ISIS

Journeyman Geek

@Adi: Syria is a bit of a mess.

Naw, they want in before the west does

Adi

ISIS is the single best thing that happened to Assad (and Russia) in the Syrian war

Journeyman Geek

and unlike the west, they don't give a shit.

Adi

I mean, you have rebel groups a few hundred Km away from your only military base in the middle east, then suddenly some Islamist shitbags start fighting those rebel groups

Fanta fucking stic!

I'm so fucking disgusted with the idea that people are okay with Assad (with the help of Russia) effectively strengthening ISIS

ManishEarth

Pardon my ignorance, but why does Putin want Assad there?

What's his interest in Syria?

Journeyman Geek

12:10

@ManishEarth: Syria's been traditionally pro russian

Thomas Pornin

@ManishEarth Putin has few friends now.

ManishEarth

Ah

Journeyman Geek

he'd rather have them as an ally than having a islamist or pro western government in place

Thomas Pornin

He tries to get a strategic presence in the region (because it's rich in oil).

Adi

"Here, take these military bases, we won't put up a fight, just keep fighting the rebels and don't invade our secure areas in the west of the country"

Journeyman Geek

12:11

(also, as for ISIS, meh. Help the nicer folks)

Adi

Assad doesn't bomb ISIS, and ISIS doesn't invade Assad secure areas.

Everybody is happy

Journeyman Geek

except everyone who isn't assad or ISIS

Adi

Yep

Journeyman Geek

And wars like this are hard

Thomas Pornin

To be fair, one must note that Western governments are much more panicked by a few Russians than by the whole of ISIS. In a way, Putin getting into the game forces everybody to stop ignoring Syria.

Journeyman Geek

12:14

the brits managed it, but the brits were suprisingly ruthless civilised bastards.

"Ok. Good people, stay here. Come out and we'll shoot you." shoots rebels until there's none left. Declares it a green zone

Adi

@JourneymanGeek At some point, about 3-4 years ago, it wasn't a war yet. The world stood by and let it develop into a war

I mean, this is why we have the international community

Journeyman Geek

@Adi: The world sucks.

@Adi: Its more of an international circlejerk where nothing ever gets done.

Thomas Pornin

@Adi Theoretically. But in practice it really depends on where the USA currently are in their interventionism/isolationism cycle.

Simon

@kalina Where the hell are you? Look how the discussions are intelligent [boring] when we're not discussing here.

Journeyman Geek

@ThomasPornin: and the UN can rarely get anything done.

Vetos are a silly idea

Adi

12:21

@ThomasPornin Indeed.

Thomas Pornin

@JourneymanGeek The alternative was not having the Americans nor the Soviets on board. Like the SDN times.

Adi

It seemed like the US was soooo afraid of another Iraq situation

so much so that they let it develop into an Iraq-on-steroids kind of situation

Journeyman Geek

@Adi well, there were in 2 'wars' at the time

Thomas Pornin

@Adi Right now they do not really care because oil prices are low.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Oh yeah sure and what else, ROT13 is not a proper encryption algorithm?

Silly dovid.

Adi

12:23

@ThomasPornin Ooooh.. they will care once ISIS steps up the in-Europe attacks

These people have proven how easy it is to crowdsource terrorism

Thomas Pornin

@Adi Mmh... until the bombing starts in UK, USA won't budge much.

Simon

@ThomasPornin The USA cares that much about UK?

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Surprisingly yes.

Simon

Interesting.

Thomas Pornin

USA and UK were last at war in 1812, and by the end of that conflict they were the best of chums.

In that specific war, the USA started under the idea to spread their ideal of freedom, and ended up happy to have earned the respect of the British.

Simon

12:26

That was the independence I assume?

Thomas Pornin

Independence was in 1776 to 1783. In 1812 both parties wanted to "finish the job" but it really settled the Canadian boundary.

Simon

Ah.

Thomas Pornin

It ended in a draw while the Americans outnumbered the British by a factor of about 100 to 1, and the Americans called that a victory.

And then they went on to do business together.

Simon

As opposing countries do after wars

Cough cough.

ManishEarth

@Simon It's called a daddy complex

Simon

12:29

@ManishEarth Yeah no kidding.

Thomas Pornin

That's the idea, although they actually made business during the war too. This was a weird war.

The Americans were amazed at how much social class mattered among the British.

The British were amazed at how much race mattered among the Americans.

Simon

"Oi American lad, want a nice cup of tea to get ready to murder each others tomorrow?"

Thomas Pornin

They both agreed, though, that mocking the French was fun.

Simon

@ThomasPornin That's just universal.

Thomas Pornin

At that time, France was at war with everybody. The USA/UK war mostly ended when Napoleon was defeated, which freed troops to be sent to America.

RoraΖ

12:31

@ThomasPornin Well if Napoleon wasn't such an ass the Brits wouldn't have had to piss us off by stopping trade with us. None of this would have happened.

So it's really all France's fault.

Thomas Pornin

@RoraΖ Especially since USA won their previous independence war because of massive French help.

RoraΖ

@ThomasPornin I think everyone agrees that mocking the French is fun.

Thomas Pornin

@RoraΖ Even the French (who think that when it comes to mocking themselves they do it much better than everybody else).

RoraΖ

@ThomasPornin This is true, and we got the Louisiana purchase from a desparate Frenchman

Thomas Pornin

I shall be noted that the trigger for the 1812 war was the forced enlistment of American sailors into the British navy. The British considered that any native of UK was a subject to the King for life, and disregarded any notion of acquiring American citizenship.

RoraΖ

12:35

@ThomasPornin That's like thinking you're the best Karaoke singer in the world when you're wasted at a dive bar.

Thomas Pornin

So the British boarded American boats and grabbed whoever seemed to have a non-American accent. They did so because they were desperate for troops, because of war with France.

RoraΖ

@ThomasPornin I'm sure it was a combination of that, and the Brits cutting off our trade with the French. Since we liked the French, but the Brits didn't like the French.

Thomas Pornin

Back to the ISIS vs Europe situation: as I see it, USA may intervene only if UK is threatened, or if some countries begin to ask Russia for help.

RoraΖ

@ThomasPornin Well it seems that Russia is already taking sides.

Thomas Pornin

In the heads of strategic thinkers in the US army and political circles, Russia is still the biggest baddie.

RoraΖ

12:39

@ThomasPornin yeah Russia is still a strong military presence in that part of the world. Is there a specific ISIS vs. Europe situation? Or just the entire country of Syria flooding into Europe?

Arperum

@RoraΖ 95% of the refugees are only fleeing to other parts of syria or surrounding countries.

RoraΖ

It annoyed me that when the UK offered to take in 20k refugees over 5 years people were pissed. Well maybe you should figure out where these refugees are going to live, and what resources should be spent on the millions you think they shoudl take.

Simon

Happy Octo-bear!

2

RoraΖ

@Arperum From what I hear Hungary is getting quite a bit

Arperum

@RoraΖ Only a tiny fraction. All of Europe is shouing bloody murder, but it's completely overshouted.

RoraΖ

12:47

@Arperum Awesome, I love over reactions

Arperum

@RoraΖ I don't. Because they result is massive bouts of racism. And racism is bloody stupid.

Simon

@Arperum pls, PC is the master race, there's no racism here.

RoraΖ

@Arperum Well I was being sarcastic

Arperum

@Simon Europe is currently having a run of bigots all over the place, I get worked up about it seriously easy.

Thomas Pornin

@RoraΖ About half of the current wave of migrants to Europe comes from Syria, Irak and Erythrea (the latter case having nothing to do with ISIS).

This means that half of the migrants is NOT fleeing ISIS or war in Syria, so, as usual, the situation is more complex than what political slogans suggest.

RoraΖ

13:00

@ThomasPornin I assumed so, but the US media sucks

JukEboX

Morning gang

Arperum

@RoraΖ Not only US media. EU media is doing a mighty fine job in protraying them all as profiting lazy "refugees" who should be fighting for their country instead of living on our money.

Media is fucking stupid.

RoraΖ

@Arperum We should start our own media outlet!

Hell I could sit back, get drunk with a nice Belgian Quad and report better than the media.

Arperum

@RoraΖ I'm not fit for reporting, I won't be able to just stand their and report, I'll end up helping.

JukEboX

@Simon loving the Octo-Bear btw

RoraΖ

13:21

@Arperum If I'm drunk, I ain't standing. We'll get some lawn chairs.

M'vy

14:09

I really need to stop coffee

Xander

@M'vy That would be a sad way to live.

M'vy

@Xander I'm too jumpy right know. I look like @AviD bouncing off.

AviD

@M'vy coffee doesnt make me bouncy

M'vy

@AviD that was not implied

Simon

@M'vy Just limit your consumption to one cup a day.

That's what I do.

M'vy

14:19

Yeah should do

RoraΖ

I try to limit myself to one beer a day... I generally lose that battle.

Simon

@RoraΖ American beer is water anyway.

Jeff Ferland

I'm reading flags and @schroeder is commenting on them as I'm staring at them. We now have one moderator and 3 honorary positions :P

Simon

14:34

I believe that we actually have a negative amount of moderators here.

RoraΖ

@Simon Not the beer I drink

schroeder

14:51

@JeffFerland and here I was thinking that I slowed down a bit so as not to be 'overzealous' :(

RoraΖ

Damn I forgot how much I hate posting a question on SO

Simon

15:07

@RoraΖ Only post a question on SO if your life depends on it.

RoraΖ

@Simon Yeah, I chose... poorly

Jeff Ferland

@schroeder Doing good work :D

Rory Alsop

15:46

@JeffFerland I wait till he's asleep :-)

David Freitag

@Simon It's only a proper encryption algorithm if you run it twice.

Jeff Ferland

@DavidFreitag 3DES is right out

Simon

@DavidFreitag Can you run it twice separately and then concatenate the results to get ROT13^2?

David Freitag

@Simon That's not what I meant, run it twice on the same data.

Simon

@DavidFreitag But I want to create ROT13^2!

David Freitag

15:57

@Simon If you used ROT13 on a string two separate times and concatenated them, you would have the exact same string twice

Simon

BUT IT'S ROT13^2

Jeff Ferland

You're just trying to get around my patent on ROT169

RoraΖ

Maybe @Simon is patenting ROT1 + ROT3^2 = ROT1 + ROT9 = ROT10?

Simon

I'm not sharing my secrets with any of you pesky anti-ROTers.

Soon I will also patent ROTrand().

RoraΖ

?

Aren't those just zombies?

RoraΖ

16:25

"There was a performance overhead but nowdays that is almost negligent." - I feel like they used the wrong word there...

Jeff Ferland

@Simon I have had some hard drives that implement that...

Simon

wot

RoraΖ

@JeffFerland @Simon's mom gets a lot of hard... drives

Jeff Ferland

Well, maybe more like randrot... but yeah...

SEJPM

Sorry for the noise everyone: Do we actually have a question whether it's clever to use two different local accounts (admin+non-admin) on Windows?

RoraΖ

16:32

@SEJPM What do you mean by clever?

Rory Alsop

It's good security practice, in many environments

RoraΖ

^^

Iszi

@RoryAlsop You know what I don't see discussed a lot? I mean, I think I've heard people ask, but I'm pretty sure nobody's actually done write-ups on it. Is there a practical difference between having two separate accounts, vs. using one account with UAC? Only thing I can think of is the added protection of having separate passwords. Other than that, is there really any point?

Xander

0

A: Is there any plugin that encrypt/decrypt a base64 URL?

base64 can be easily decrypted back to normal because it's two-way algorithm (while md5 is one-way algo.). Never save any sensitive information in user accessible location. Better would be to request new URL every time and add some expire time for that generated URL.

RoraΖ

@Iszi Generally speaking a normal user should be required to act as a separate entity for administrative roles.

@Xander Is he trying to say that he's using secure storage?

Nevermind, I actually read the question.

Iszi

16:39

@RoraΖ That's always been best practice, yes. But is there really a significant difference, in terms of added protection, between the two scenarios?

SEJPM

@RoraΖ clever = "good security practice and actually provides security advantages"

RoraΖ

@Iszi Mainly it stops malicious code from automatically gaining privileges that it shouldn't have. UAC is probably fine when correctly configured. But I think separating roles is more to stop users from shooting themselves in the foot than anything else.

Xander

@Iszi UAC is not considered a security boundary, so my first thought is that yes, there is a difference.

RoraΖ

Especially on Windows, where I think I gave myself the right permissions in the right folders but who the hell actually knows.

@Xander Also I can't take anyone seriously who uses "Thanx"

Xander

@RoraΖ I know, right? You saved yourself one letter!! At least use "Thx." That's a contraction I can get behind.

RoraΖ

16:46

@Xander It's an abbreviation

David Freitag

@Xander @Simon's mom is a contraction that @RoraΖ can get behind.

RoraΖ

@Iszi Also, I agree I don't think that question has been asked yet.

@DavidFreitag I sure as hell don't want @Simon's mom having contractions!

David Freitag

@RoraΖ You're a bit late on that one.

Simon

all

Xander

@RoraΖ A contraction is a specific form of abbreviation, of which this word is.

SEJPM

16:55

thx for the advice @all :) Let's see if I can make a good question up from this.

Some other noise: If you have a vulnerable application (TrueCrypt) and running it in mobile mode on a different machine (where you have standard privileges), can you actually use this vulnerable program to elevate privileges?

Iszi

@SEJPM Who said TrueCrypt is vulnerable? End-of-life, yes. But I don't think anyone's actually published vulnerability details.

SEJPM

no details yet

RoraΖ

0

Q: Is a word like 'thx' a contraction or abbreviation?

Putting aside that the use of 'thx' is bad, and it isn't really a word. Would 'thx' be considered a contraction or abbreviation? Contraction: a shortened version of the written and spoken forms of a word, syllable, or word group, created by omission of internal letters (actually, sounds). The ...

SEJPM

only the announcement

RoraΖ

We'll see who comes out on top

Iszi

17:00

@RoraΖ Wow.

RoraΖ

@Iszi haha, dont' like it?

Simon

pls, abbreviation.

Iszi

@Xander "Thx" is an abbreviation, yes. A contraction is a type of abbreviation, also true. However, this does not mean that "Thx" is a contraction - and I'm fairly confident it actually is not. Just because "Jerome" is a dog, and rottweilers are a type of dog, does not mean "Jerome" is a rottweiler - in fact, he's a Chihuahua.

Xander

@Iszi oxforddictionaries.com/words/contractions

RoraΖ

@Xander But contractions change the sound of the word(s).

Xander

17:03

So, you may be right, because in a contraction the last letter should be preserved, and in "Thx" it is not.

It's really the best fit though, of all the abbreviation types.

RoraΖ

I always thought that a contraction required multiple words

Xander

@RoraΖ Nope.

RoraΖ

Oh.... kind of like gov't

Would gov't be a contraction?

Iszi

@RoraΖ Same here.

Rоry McCune

@AviD cool!

RoraΖ

17:04

I think gov't is an abbr

Iszi

@RoraΖ Based on Oxford, it would seem that it should be "govt".

Xander

@RoraΖ Yes, as would govt.

RoraΖ

Man good thing I'm an enganeer

or... engr

Xander

@RoraΖ All the types of abbreviations: oxforddictionaries.com/words/abbreviations

Iszi

@RoraΖ In that context, it's not a contraction - it's a bastardization.

RoraΖ

17:05

@Xander Oxford isn't the end-all be-all xander!

Iszi

@Xander I thought acronyms were a subset of initialisms?

Simon

@Iszi Shut uppppp.

SEJPM

@Iszi engadget.com/2015/09/30/truecrypt-critical-security-flaws

Iszi

@RoraΖ So, you're saying we should ask @ThomasPornin?

RoraΖ

Like French Bears know the English language

SEJPM

17:07

and this one, as the official CVE request: openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/09/24/3

Iszi

@RoraΖ Well, you asked for the "end-all be-all".

RoraΖ

@Iszi Well that's true....

Iszi

@SEJPM Interesting, but confusing. The one article implies "privilege escalation" in the sense that it will allow access to data that the user shouldn't have. But the CVE submission seems to say that it's actually OS-level escalation.

If it's the former, then your TrueCrypt-protected data is at risk but the rest of your system should be fine. If the latter, then it's the reverse - until "the rest of your system" gets a keylogger and... well that's just pwned all over.

RoraΖ

I suggest it is a contraction of the phonetic, 'thanx'. Note that some people consider this to be a thank you followed by a kiss. Kisses are commonly appended to a missive in the form of a letter 'X'. — chasly from UK 2 mins ago

I learned something today

SEJPM

Another article on the matter: itworld.com/article/2987438/data-protection/…

RoraΖ

17:19

Anyone use Xen/libvirt before?

Andrew Smith

Nope

TildalWave

17:56

@Simon cute

Rory Alsop

18:09

Sorry, was on a plane. Yes, I think the differences between two accounts and just using UAC are significant.

For me, Thanx does not include kisses

And here, it's be-all and end-all, not the other way round

Hmmm, autocomplete tried to write bell-end

And my transcript reading is complete :-)

Evening all

RoraΖ

You have autocomplete? or are you on your phone?

@Simon We all know where he is, we just can't get to him.

Rоry McCune

18:35

@RoryAlsop Evenin'

how was the thing

Simon

18:58

@TildalWave nou

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