The DMZ

David Freitag

00:33

imgur.com/gallery/DwrUdat

TildalWave

01:13

shit and run?

David Freitag

01:28

@TildalWave Defense mechanism

TildalWave

or expressing opinion ;)

David Freitag

03:12

A the end of this wormhole lies... A room with a moose!

David Freitag

04:21

@kalina There is nothing weird about the hardware I chose.

Stack Exchange

04:53

I just came from The Martian, and I just have to say: Forget BB-8; I want a pet Sojourner! It's always been the cutest of our Mars rovers.

M'vy

06:51

Morning!

kalina

07:32

@DavidFreitag uhuh, why doesn't it work then? hmmm?

M'vy

@kalina o/

kalina

o/

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag they'll have recovered from the initial rush at that point then, I'd guess

o/

morning all

M'vy

hey @RоryMcCune

kalina

07:47

the installation process

is so painful

Rоry McCune

@kalina what you installing?

^@Simon

kalina

on this pc, cubase + vsts + hardware drivers + reconfiguring it all

on the other pc, steam + games, origin + games

so much downloading

Rоry McCune

@kalina ahh, yeah I could see that being complex

kalina

so much clicking

so many waits

Rоry McCune

@kalina hope you have good broadband!

kalina

07:49

I don't have enough broadband

I need at least triple the broadbands

Rоry McCune

don't we all

I would like 3x the speed here for sure

would be nice to be able to have two streams going at the same time for online vid.

kalina

also the windows 10 installer starts, I click upgrade, it downloads, gets to 100% and then exits

GWX still says pending

Rоry McCune

ahh, I guess you could ask a Q. about that on Superuser :P

kalina

no ta

still, in the age of digital distribution I can just redownload stuff and still don't need an optical drive

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah it's sooo much easier now I don't have to keep the CD/DVDs

I used to have 2 100 cases of CDs

kalina

07:56

I've got a bluray writer drive that has been used to install Windows on 3 PCs during its life and nothing else

one of those "oh I'm sure I'd use that if I had one"

it lived in my old gaming pc, unplugged and unpowered, and then got used in both of the new ones and now it sits in my new gaming pc, unplugged and unpowered

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah I've got one, only ever gets used if we have a set of DVDs to put onto the media server

kalina

It feels like the jump to m.2 ssds is as significant as the difference between spinning disks and ssds

Rоry McCune

@kalina I think the M.2's over olders SSDs is a big difference, not sure how much over new ones (although definitely faster)

AviD

08:16

didja all catch that time that Edward Snowden DoS'd himself, on a pile of unwanted data?

I forgot to turn off notifications. Twitter sent me an email for each: Follow Favorite Retweet DM 47 gigs of notifications. #lessonlearned

Tweeted by Snowden on October 1, 2015 at 6:33 PM

funny enough that tweet alone has >11K retweets, 25K favorites.

and the poor guy has over a million followers.

in 3 days.

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah "poor guy"

there's social media companies that would kill for that kind of ability

1M real followers in under a week

AviD

@RоryMcCune yeah, but an email for each.frikkin.one.

Rоry McCune

@AviD that's just funny though

wonder what he uses for an e-mail provider

AviD

it is!

cue the irony and the NSA.

@RоryMcCune I think he has Hilary Clinton manage his email server.

kalina

@RоryMcCune uhuh

I'm glad it levelled off

oh there's another Tomb Raider game coming out

I wonder if this one will have tombs... and raiding...

Rоry McCune

08:25

@AviD that's where all the super-secure stuff goes isn't it?

AviD

'course

Rоry McCune

in "stuff I didn't know existed" github.com/dejavusecurity/OutlookPrivacyPlugin <--GPG plugin for outlook

watcha' @Iszi you're up early/late

kalina

08:38

c'mon download quicker

I might as well go back to bed, I will achieve nothing productive today

AviD

@RоryMcCune LOL at this:

Uncovering mass surveillance is starting to look like a viable social media strategy.

Tweeted by Snowden on October 1, 2015 at 3:45 PM

-> 4.5K retweets, >8K favorites...

Meanwhile, a thousand people at Fort Meade just opened Twitter.

Tweeted by Snowden on September 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM

dang he is funny

kalina

out of like the 10 things he's tweeted, you've linked all of them in here

I think we've got a fanboi here

hey everybody, @AviD is a Snowdon fanboi

AviD

I wasnt before, now i'm considering

Edward Scissorhands

kalina

you disgust me, the guy leaks information about how the entire world is being spied on by the NSA and it takes him creating a Twitter account before you pay him any attention?

Rоry McCune

some people do "witty twitter" well, like James Blunt

kalina

08:41

what a douche

AviD

@kalina pffft

you dont exist if youre not on twitter

Rоry McCune

@kalina who, Snowden or James Blunt?

kalina

@RоryMcCune AviD

Rоry McCune

@kalina ahh

AviD

and the attention is all thanks to John Oliver

kalina

08:44

bandwagon hopping filthy treacherous monster being

Rоry McCune

@kalina so is this you outing yourself finally as an NSA plant?

you and @RoraΖ both

Barry Carlyon

Morning all

Rоry McCune

mornin'

so looks like the patreon data got dumped. A shame 'cause I like the site

and this will not be nice for them

M'vy

Oh :S

Barry Carlyon

:-(

kalina

09:00

hack all the people

HACK THE PLANET

AviD

@RоryMcCune not as bad as the Experion one.

kalina

the first instrument of 10 has downloaded

Rоry McCune

@kalina hey hey NSA girl no encouraging illegal behaviour there

@AviD no, that one was bad too. with all that said, breach fatigue has thoroughly set in in the mainstream press, so I doubt most people will care about either of these :/

AviD

@RоryMcCune yeah, but the Patreon one is "just another breach". With Experion, THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT IS ENTRUSTED TO SAFEGUARD FROM THESE EVENTS.

"we lost your data? no worries, we'll make sure you're protected, just give us more data."

Rоry McCune

@AviD you'd hope they'd have better security wouldn't you... but did you really think they would...

AviD

09:04

well.... no.... :-(

kalina

@RоryMcCune pls I don't work for the NSA

there is nothing creative about indiscriminately sucking up all the datas

Rоry McCune

@kalina that's exactly what an NSA plant would say !!1!

2

kalina

o fine, u caught me mr investigative skillz on fleek

Rоry McCune

Patreon is the first breach my gmail account has been caught in..

M'vy

@kalina Oh com'on if you take the letters from Kalina it makes the sentence "I work for the NSA"... oh wait I'm missing a "l". It has to be a NSA-deception!

kalina

09:07

now I need to search for all the rories and then I can spam you

@M'vy pls there is no s in my name

M'vy

@kalina eheh :))

kalina

"one letter down 25 to go!"

Boy: There are 20 letters in the Alphabet right?
Girl: 26.
Boy: Ah Heck, sorry i forgot the U R A Q T.
Girl: That makes 25.
Boy: I know I will give you the D later...

does anybody else read "Boy" as "Simon"

woo Abbey Road 60s Drummer is now installed!

next up: Absynth 5

Rоry McCune

@kalina no it's just you who sees that kind of boyfriend/girlfriend conversation and thinks of @Simon :op

kalina

pls that's not a boyfriend/girlfriend conversation

that's a drunk guy spilling his drink on my shoes conversation

M'vy

You go into weird place @kalina

Rоry McCune

09:17

@kalina now I'm confused, you want @Simon to spill a drink on your shoes? You crazy kids

Barry Carlyon

I dun even…

M'vy

@RоryMcCune this is never gonna work. But keep trying.

Rоry McCune

@M'vy why not, it's like the odd couple

M'vy

@RоryMcCune not sure I got the reference here

Arperum

@kalina If I was a girl, that thing would annoy the hell out of me. Learn to spell, you stupid moron.

Rоry McCune

09:21

@M'vy tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OddCouple

it's a common TV/media trope

M'vy

They don't have many things to say about it. It's pretty generic.

Rоry McCune

@M'vy it's an instantiation of the idea that "opposites attract"

M'vy

It's just a "opposite attracts themse... DAMN YOU NINJA!

Rоry McCune

@M'vy and you would be pushed to get more opposite than @kalina and @Simon :D

Arperum

@RоryMcCune Linking tvtropes is evil.

I barely escaped with like five tabs read.

Rоry McCune

09:26

@Arperum yeah sorry, it's almost as bad as @AviD linking college humour!

M'vy

I should add this to the list of my usersripts project

AviD

@RоryMcCune I just did that to John Oliver

TildalWave

0

A: Is rolling your own network protocol insecure?

Having pentested a number of custom network protocols (all implemented on top of TCP or UDP, sometimes with (D)TLS as well), I recommend against this idea. You will get it wrong, and then you'll have a remote exploit vector. It is much, much safer to use an existing data format (JSON via HTTP is...

doesn't this boil down to "trust me, I'm a professional"?

M'vy

Is rolling your own <placeholder> insecure? -> yes?

kalina

@Arperum implication that women are spelling nazis?

TildalWave

09:28

@M'vy right, I'll let @kalina roll mine from now on :)

kalina

@RоryMcCune yes, that would give me a reason to give him a debilitating kick to the reproductives

@M'vy PC?

@M'vy hair coloring?

Arperum

@kalina No, mostly that I annoy me to those spelling nonsense. And since I'm not gay, that pickupline wouldn't even remotely work on me as a man.

M'vy

You could argue that yes is a valid option for both of these @kalina

kalina

@M'vy casserole? sound proofing?

M'vy

@kalina Ok, ok ok. I get the point :)

TildalWave

09:30

@kalina that wasn't a joke about who, more about what.... glad you got it, I just realized it might seem slightly offensive which wasn't intended ;)

kalina

@Arperum implication that straight guys can't be cute?

M'vy

@Arperum Was that a pickup line?

Oohh ahh! ... moron.

kalina

pls that was obv a pickup line

M'vy

@kalina yeah well... I have a tendency of reading letter in French...

kalina

Absynth 5 installed... next up Battery 4 + libraries

Arperum

09:32

@kalina No, implication that they are not interested in the "D" (which in itself is a stupid thing to call your dick)

kalina

the D is basically the best part of the opposite sex

but only when the rest of the individual knows how to use it

damn I killed chat by thinking out loud

Arperum

@kalina Maybe, but I already have that available. I'm not interested in a second one.

kalina

some asshole linked tvtropes and now I'm stuck

Arperum

@kalina I barely escaped.

AviD

@kalina which one?

buwahahahaha.

M'vy

09:45

@AviD which trope ?

Rоry McCune

@kalina sorry, not sorry :op

AviD

hey @Simon, saw this, thought of you.

Thing drops the sickest Canadian burn of all time http://t.co/qXHjNAlMYp

Tweeted by codinghorror on October 2, 2015 at 5:09 AM

we really do need to find a cure for you. Besides donuts.

kalina

Battery installed... next up is Driver

I've never been able to conclude which trope I fit into

TildalWave

@kalina hasn't happened so far :)

M'vy

@kalina maybe you're just your own

AviD

09:56

@M'vy isn't there a trope for that?

TildalWave

never roll your own trope?

if someone wants to watch a rocket launch ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx wroom wroom in about 2 minutes

or is it wroar?

Rоry McCune

@kalina tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PyroManiac

:op

kalina

well sure but that isn't the defining point of me though is it

and I'm not really that mentally unstable

and I wouldn't get pleasure out of inflicting real pain on real people

Rоry McCune

the :op was intended to denote that I was joking :op

kalina

yes but now you're joking about stating you're joking

and that's even more confusing

Rоry McCune

10:12

@kalina things are rarely simple

but for avoidance of doubt, I was not seriously suggesting that you're a pyromaniac in real life!

AviD

10:38

@RоryMcCune you mean, for avoidance of fire.

Rоry McCune

@AviD well that too :)

kalina

"Girls Don't Pay"

annoys me so much

why the fuck do promoters do stuff like that

Rоry McCune

yeah any answer to that is likely to annoy you

so I'll avoid providing one :op

kalina

got you well trained

AviD

its not even for the ~~girls~~ women's benefit

Rоry McCune

10:45

@kalina I have a well developed sense of self-preservation

kalina

@AviD no, it's not, and yes the flyer actually says "girls don't pay"

AviD

as @RоryMcCune said, any answer, but probably the worst one is: This makes fratbros think that the place will be swamped with chicks, since it's free for them, therefore more guys will come since it's a floozy party and not a sausage fest.

this is not MY answer, just the one I think most likely for them promoters.

kalina

who even says floozy anymore

fogey

AviD

@kalina not me! it's the fratbros.

@kalina I dont think that means what you think it means

kalina

@AviD you're such a fucking fogey

AviD

10:50

@kalina you forgot "fat"

kalina

o

oh I nearly got excited then since it looked like NI Komplete had finished installing but I was wrong

Kontakt Factory Library... 800MB of 23.2GB downloaded

AviD

wat

kalina

I'm unsure what you're querying

AviD

23.2 GB, what in hell are you installing?

kalina

...Kontakt Factory Library?

Rоry McCune

10:55

@AviD duff duff duff noise-makers

kalina

well actually the Kontakt Factory Library is a wide selection of sounds not really limited to kick drums

AviD

@kalina I meant, what in hell does Kontakt Factory Library DO that it needs a >23GB install

Rоry McCune

@kalina I was over-generalising for @AviD who makes me look like I know something about music

AviD

@RоryMcCune hahah

kalina

@AviD 49 fully sampled instruments + a variety of other samples

AviD

10:58

@kalina ahhhh okay. so almost all of that is the sound files, not the program itself

that makes a lot more sense

and I'm an idiot

inb4

kalina

@AviD oh the program itself is several more GB on top

AviD

wat

kalina

49 instruments like bagpipes, various guitars, , synth pads, multiple full drum kits, etc

@AviD oh right, when I said that reinstalling my studio PC requires downloading 100s of GB of data I wasn't exaggerating at all

AviD

data, not code

!=

kalina

there's no difference between data and code if you open it in notepad

2

AviD

11:00

....

because 3 just isnt enough

kalina

I find 4 times a day gets sore

Barry Carlyon

@kalina I mis read guitar as glitter

kalina

yes I love glitter

this is why I don't do physical cds

I'd be compelled to glitter bomb using each copy sold

and I suspect that would effect sales

Barry Carlyon

lol

kalina

the best kind of glitter is when you have glitter all over your hair and sleep in somebody else's bed

4

Barry Carlyon

11:09

YES!

Or in my case San Fransisco beach sand…

kalina

well, just beach sand

Barry Carlyon

true

RoraΖ

11:21

@RоryMcCune Say what now?

Rоry McCune

@RoraΖ you're based in the beltway IIRC ergo you must be a fed. of some demonination or other ;op

RoraΖ

@RоryMcCune Oh, yeah I'm a demonation. I can see the Capital Building from my house.

Simon

11:40

@RоryMcCune It's probably the most used language in that list so of course it will have more curse words than the others.

(I'm not defending the language in any way, just stating this)

@RоryMcCune Similar discussions happen from times to times.

kalina

@Simon please, your logic is unacceptable here

RoraΖ

@Simon There is no way PHP is used more than C

or perl

sadly

Simon

@RoraΖ SO has 214k questions tagged PHP and 25k C.

kalina

that's because people who code C are skillfull and people who code PHP google each line

7

Simon

While C might be more used, it is not discussed as much as PHP.

kalina

11:44

I wouldn't call most of the noise surrounding PHP "discussion"

it's more like a bunch of kids dribbling

RoraΖ

@Simon Because PHP is a terrible language that no one understands

Simon

@AviD Not bad, but I don't consider anything said by the Americans to be a burn about the Canaduhians.

AviD

@Simon not just plain americans, FANTASTIC americans.

Simon

@RoraΖ I solved it yesterday, just cast every single variable and use "==="!

kalina

@Simon well no it's hard to burn other people when the burns you're dishing out are cooler than the ambient heat radiating from your existence

Simon

11:46

@AviD Oh lawd, are they as good as the movies?

Terry Chia

@RoraΖ Brendan Eich came up with Javascript in a week and it's still a better language than PHP.

AviD

@Simon hells no. the movies were in a class of their own.

the comics were great.

well, except for the blatant sexism.

Simon

I really wonder how you can mess up a movie that much.

They dared to remake it and messed it up again.

Rоry McCune

@Simon could be true in some cases but here that's from github repos and githut.info says PHP ain't that popular on github :op

Simon

@RоryMcCune The mistake here is to assume that PHP coders use source control.

kalina

11:49

I suppose it is fair to make that assumption, I mean what kind of real developer would not use source control?

Rоry McCune

@Simon well it point out that those coders who use source control for PHP projects swear a lot about it in comments

kalina

what with PHP developers not being real developers

Barry Carlyon

:-(

Simon

Also, those that do usually hide their code 'cause you know, national secret.

RoraΖ

@AviD With fantastic guns!?

Simon

11:50

@RоryMcCune Ah I just read that it came from github, I see!

I thought it was parsed from da webz.

AviD

@RoraΖ wut? no, of course not, superheros dont use guns.

kalina

"DA WEBZ"

DEY NEED PARSIN'

AviD

@RоryMcCune I thought PHP projects use Perforce for source control.

or CVS.

Barry Carlyon

I use git

Either in GitHub or Codebase

(As a PHP dev)

AviD

or seperate folders...

CodesInChaos

11:52

C is a terrible language in its own right and the damage it has done to software development is immeasurable.

Simon

^rekt

Terry Chia

@AviD I thought PHP "coders" edit code on production over FTP?

RoraΖ

@CodesInChaos Just because you hang yourself more often than not, doesn't mean it's a bad language.

kalina

@Simon that statement doesn't make PHP better, in fact, because PHP is so much worse than the language that fucked everything up that must make PHP literally worse than Hitler

Simon

@TerryChia Only on Friday afternoon.

Terry Chia

11:53

@CodesInChaos On the contrary. C is a simple, beautiful language that all programmers are too stupid to use correctly.

Simon

@kalina Shut up, you shouldn't know any of this.

CodesInChaos

@TerryChia Writing correct C code is nearly impossible.

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos No arguments there.

kalina

@Simon excuse me?

Simon

Anyway, if you listen to all da nurdz, every single language sucks.

@kalina YOU DON'T EVEN WORK IN DA FIELD SHUT UP

kalina

11:55

@Simon 1 in 10 times I work I work in a field

CodesInChaos

Compare C with Pascal. They have a pretty similar feature set and were invented around the same time (pascal seems to be slightly older). Pascal is a much better design than C.

Simon

@kalina That's cool.

kalina

you're right though, the moment people like @CodesInChaos start talking about language design I'm all like ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Simon

Exactly.

And those nurdz cannot avoid arguing about technologies.

kalina

pls, everybody argues about technologies

Simon

11:56

It's like if producers would argue that their DAW is better than someone else's.

kalina

watch this: Android or iOS?

Simon

Like you, pesky FL Studio user.

kalina

@Simon yes because that never happens

Simon

That's again a nurd debate.

CodesInChaos

@kalina Both suck, just in different ways.

kalina

11:57

@Simon pls, Cubase for life

Simon

Ah right, my mistake.

kalina

FL is a casual tool for casuals

Simon

I kind of want to agree but my senpai uses it and he's quite accomplished.

Barry Carlyon

Filthy Casuals? Or just regular ones?

kalina

@Simon oh I'm not saying you can't get the sound out of it

Simon

11:58

@BarryCarlyon Nah just regular.

kalina

just like you can break the speed limit in a Ford Ka

that doesn't make it a race car

Rоry McCune

@AviD I thought they used cp /source/* /source.back/

AviD

7 mins ago, by AviD

or seperate folders...

Simon

I like Logic's workflow but sometimes I want to try other DAWs but I feel like that'd be a complete waste of time.

I should just stick to it and know everything about it.

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