The DMZ

JukEboX

15:01

Good Morning all!

M'vy

hi

JukEboX

Happen to see how researchers are able to intercept basic computer info from a simple computer and dumb phone?

Astonishing )

Finally a place to chat with people about IS :)

M'vy

@JukEboX maybe :) you might find that security is often overlooked here :)

But feel free to try :P

We sometimes can be of help

Rоry McCune

@M'vy hey it's right there at the end of our subject line :op

etherealflux

Sometimes

M'vy

15:05

@RоryMcCune yeah.

etherealflux

I mostly just DNS the IP header cache

and do a little dehashing on the cyclic bitshift register

bam, security

M'vy

Funny how doughnuts has been extracted from food

Simon

bam

etherealflux

let's kick it up a notch

chef 3m3r1l, master hacker

JukEboX

I am looking to learn more but I am still a lowly analyst and learning as I go. Very interested in Cryography but no time to get the learning in :/

l33t h4ck3r!! d4wg

Simon

15:06

@JukEboX "No time" is not a good excuse.

You may try to find a better one.

JukEboX

@Simon

@Simon Very true but besides that, photography, auto work, family, web coding, and computer repair not much time for myself either :P

M'vy

^ uselessly pinging @simon already. This guy gets it :)

etherealflux

Well I'm trying to study chemistry and computer science whilst learning photography, 3D modeling, music production, and creative writing :D

what is time

Journeyman Geek

Poor @Simon, getting pings by everyone.

Simon

@JukEboX See, that's where your problem is. Get rid of the family, dude.

Journeyman Geek

15:08

lol

etherealflux

@Simon hi simon

Journeyman Geek

Family, job, dog. I have almost no free time ;p

JukEboX

@Simon family = me not lonely :P @JourneymanGeek Dog = priority :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

JukEboX

LOL BitDefender hacked oh jeez

Journeyman Geek

15:09

@JukEboX: Yeah ;p

JukEboX

@JourneymanGeek I have a cat that is older than my friends kids. Trust me I know what priority my pets are

Simon

@JukEboX Loneliness is felt when you have too much times in your hand. Replace family with cryptography and you're good to go!

Journeyman Geek

but he's also a good chunk of my weekends, directly or indirectly

@JukEboX: I used to take care of him full time for about a decade ;p

etherealflux

@JukEboX According to this article I'm reading, they didn't encrypt customer passwords

twitch

HASHED NOT ENCRYPTED I'LL DESTROY YOU I'LL DESTROY ALL OF YOU

JukEboX

@Simon Ok give it a week then look for my obitiuatary. Died of confusion and loneliness

etherealflux

15:10

but yeah, sounds pretty silly :D

Journeyman Geek

(worked for my dad, pay was sub market rate, and I ended up doing all the walkies)

JukEboX

@etherealflux Yeah that's right. Now Hacker wahts $15K. UNACCEPTABLE!

Ohnana

so i actually got valgrind to rage-quit on me

Arperum

@etherealflux They are using "unencrypted" all over the place. It annoys even me.

Ohnana

this is a high point in my academic career

etherealflux

15:13

@Ohnana niiiice

can you try valgrinding it to see what's going on?

valgrind valgrind foobar

Ohnana

More than 10000000 total errors detected. I'm not reporting any more.
==6165== Final error counts will be inaccurate. Go fix your program!
==6165== Rerun with --error-limit=no to disable this cutoff. Note
==6165== that errors may occur in your program without prior warning from
==6165== Valgrind, because errors are no longer being displayed.

JukEboX

is @Arperum the "always annoyed one" ?

Ohnana

my program sucked too hard!

etherealflux

wow

Arperum

@JukEboX Nope. Pretty sure I'm not.

Simon

15:14

@JukEboX No, that's @AviD.

JukEboX

So everyone here IT or just security? I'm new here need to gauge what I am dealing with

@Simon I understand is a computer with 4 buttons.

etherealflux

I'm a chemist

what am I doing here I dunno

Ohnana

i'm trying to into security, i'm in school rn

JukEboX

@etherealflux best answer so far

Journeyman Geek

lol. At the moment, I'm support at a visual effects company

Tom Leek

15:15

@JukEboX I AM THE BEAR.

Ohnana

hence why I am writing a fucking file renamer in c

Arperum

I am just keeping the othes here in business by writing crappy code.

JukEboX

@TomLeek the animal or the man type :P

Journeyman Geek

(My name's in the credits of ant-man ;p)

Ohnana

@TomLeek wow who are you? never met you before. ever.

Simon

15:16

There we go, Thomas is suffering of a severe case of Monday.

JukEboX

@Arperum sounds like one of my web systems

etherealflux

@JukEboX I'm also majoring in CS, so I have an interesting college track

Simon

@Ohnana ohnuhnuh pls

Flyk

@JukEboX cell phone?

Journeyman Geek

I do have a degree in information security management, but I'm really a dabbler ;p

Ohnana

15:16

wait i get it now. leek is pornin's sense of fun and whimsy

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David Freitag

I'm just here for the donuts.

Flyk

@JourneymanGeek isn't information security manager like one of those nothing achievements... "can fill a glass with water", "can turn on a PC", "can stand up right without support"?

etherealflux

sounds like Active Directory, maybe?

Ohnana

o fuk

etherealflux

that kinda thing

Arperum

15:18

@Ohnana You found some errors?

Flyk

@Ohnana Tom Leek is way cooler than the other guy

JukEboX

@JourneymanGeek I have 2 degrees in Info System Mgmt with specializiation on Sec

Ohnana

@Arperum no flyk just brutalized journeyman

Journeyman Geek

@JukEboX: More a "I'm here cause of that" than "I haz mad skillz" ;p

Ohnana

i finished the assignment last night, i'm just sharing my tales of failure to amuse the general populace

Arperum

15:19

@Ohnana Ah, yea. That.

Simon

I have 22 degrees celsius

Journeyman Geek

@Ohnana: if you mean, "I decided it wasn't worth the effort to respond to that" ;p

Flyk

do you even celsius, bro?

Simon

I celsius all day long.

David Freitag

@Flyk I only know how to kelvin.

JukEboX

15:20

@JourneymanGeek ^^

Flyk

@JourneymanGeek no, everybody knows I'm not even worth responding to

Journeyman Geek

@JukEboX: We do that. A fair bit.

Arperum

@Flyk No that's @AviD.

Flyk

or even actively avoid

Simon

ovid

JukEboX

15:21

@JourneymanGeek I did that for 12 years. Now I have a grown up job

Flyk

@Arperum oh I don't have that problem anymore, he joined that gaming mod

JukEboX

Anyone have suggestions on HD encryption software I can use in Enterprise other than Symantec and BitLocker that doesn't require TPM?

Journeyman Geek

@JukEboX: Maybe eventually ;p

Flyk

if I didn't like @RoryAlsop and @TildalWave I'd probably just auto blue name = ignore list

Rоry McCune

@JukEboX if you're looking to get a handle on what's going on meta.security.stackexchange.com/questions/880/… could be helpful

JukEboX

15:22

@RоryMcCune Thanks. New to the chat so like to catch up best I can

Arperum

@Flyk I was just going to ask what gaming mod, but I guess I can assume "most of them".

Rоry McCune

@JukEboX to answer that it'd likely be helpful to know why you're avoiding bitlocker and Symantec :)

Flyk

@Arperum I don't know, I made room for new learnings by purging that information

Arperum

@Flyk Sounds valid.

JukEboX

@RоryMcCune Symantec I am keeping as an option. I sent out for a quote. Bitlocker I am moving away from because it required TPM on the machine of which many of mine dont' have cause they are too old

etherealflux

15:24

XOR the entire disk with an endless stream of 1 bits

bam

Simon

bam

JukEboX

@etherealflux important info I need is if it remote manageable and price for licence

Shoot

brbr lunch

Simon

You're a lunch.

etherealflux

or maybe a donut?

Simon

:O

Iszi

15:25

@JukEboX Bitlocker can be done without TPM.

Flyk

does @Simon's donut know that she's known as "Simon's donut" on the internet?

Simon

Yep.

Flyk

How does that make her feel?

(don't say sticky and full of jam)

Iszi

@Flyk Of course not, she's cream-filled.

Flyk

I doubt Simon has sufficient cream to fill her

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David Freitag

15:27

Hahaha

Flyk

-.-

what, it would require a lot of cream

Iszi

@Flyk Beautiful. Knew you'd deliver.

David Freitag

@Flyk You would know.

Simon

pls

Flyk

@DavidFreitag well yes, having all of the body parts we're talking about I can confirm that the average "teaspoon" of cream is insufficient to classify as "full"

not that I've ever tried filling myself with cream

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Ohnana

15:29

ahahha fucking brutal

David Freitag

@Flyk Good, that saves me from having to collect empirical data.

Flyk

well, top filling, with sour cream

because that's the real addiction that's actually going to kill me

David Freitag

I can't understand why people like sour cream.

Simon

@Flyk I wanna say that she likes it but she hasn't specifically said so.

Iszi

@Flyk So that's what they're calling it these days?

Flyk

15:30

@Iszi no, we're not talking about that

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag i can eat it with a spoon it's SO DELICIOUS

Flyk

@DavidFreitag erm, because it's the best thing ever?

Iszi

@Flyk This is the DMZ, sweetie. We're always talking about that.

2

Simon

shut top oszi

Ohnana

@Iszi you sound like el james

motion for lszi to shut up seconded

David Freitag

15:32

@Flyk I can't stand the taste.

2

Iszi

@Ohnana I have NFC who that is.

Flyk

@Iszi how condescending.

Ohnana

@Iszi wrote 50 shades of gray

Flyk

@DavidFreitag I love the taste, it's one of my favorite things

I LIEK SPEELING AS WEEL

Iszi

@Flyk Or affectionate. Take it as you will, I can't control your perceptions... yet.

Simon

15:33

I'm not gonna star any of these comments to not encourage you lads.

Iszi

Damn, so much star bait today!

David Freitag

@Iszi Perhaps you should get some LSD, perception is in the hand of the one with the LSD

Flyk

@Iszi I haven't star baited once

Ohnana

fuck this i'm going to sex.se

David Freitag

@Iszi Get your hand out of your pants, you're at work!

Iszi

15:34

@Ohnana Know what? I'd laugh my ass off if there's actually more dirty talk in this chat than there is in Sex.SE chat. Laugh my ass off, yet not be one bit surprised.

Flyk

well you're all perverts, I wouldn't be surprised

David Freitag

@Iszi There is no dirty talk in the Sex.SE chat.

Ohnana

@Iszi it's academic, so there is

David Freitag

In fact there is no talking in there that is not related to space.

etherealflux

There should be no dirty talk here. We sanitize our inputs

Iszi

15:35

@DavidFreitag Well, this early in the game I'm sure there's hardly any talk there.

David Freitag

@etherealflux I prefer to sanitize my outputs.

Flyk

@DavidFreitag I thought it was sex.se not relationshipthatisalmostover.se

etherealflux

wouldn't want to get a SQL transmitted disease

David Freitag

@Iszi Nope it's pretty lively in there when there is a launch, or other space-related event.

Flyk

the dirty talk is actually a unique form of encryption designed to ensure that those outside of the channel don't understand us

Iszi

15:36

@Flyk No, no... the site you're thinking of is Marriage.SE.

Flyk

@Iszi I never think of marriage, not since I was 13

David Freitag

@Iszi lol that's fucked up. and true.

Simon

@Iszi There's a marriage.SE?

Flyk

look at @Simon all excited, he's not out of the running yet!

Iszi

@Simon Yeah, they put it in right after RelationshipThatIsAlmostOver.SE, donut.

Simon

15:37

wat

David Freitag

@Simon I bet you could use it in your marriage proposal to your donut. It would be "romantic"

Simon

@DavidFreitag Do we look like people who would want a traditional marriage?

We're not donuts like oszi and his wife.

Iszi

@DavidFreitag That would so get closed as "off-topic".

David Freitag

@Simon What does proposing have anything to do with being married?

Also, what part of "use some random website in your wedding proposal" strikes you as normal?

Simon

@DavidFreitag I'm not gonna propose to her on top of the Empire State Building like a cheesy donut.

@DavidFreitag oszi did that

David Freitag

15:39

@Simon That's because you know she'd push you off.

Iszi

@DavidFreitag You realize who you're talking to, yes?

Flyk

@Simon you're either donuts or not, you can't swap from being a donut one minute and not a donut the next!

@Simon cheesy donut is called a "bagel"

etherealflux

@Flyk excuse me he is just donutfluid

Simon

@Flyk That's the thing about donuts: there are no rules.

David Freitag

@Iszi Uhhh, tigger, some pony, and an ink blot test?

Flyk

15:40

@Simon erm, yes there are

Simon

@Flyk True, it is spelled donut and not doughnut.

Iszi

@DavidFreitag You're forgetting the '80s electronic toy.

Simon

The latter was so hard to spell.

Flyk

did you see me type doughnut?

David Freitag

@Iszi I did that on purpose.

Flyk

15:40

did you?

Rоry McCune

@Simon incorrect, it's right there in the room description

Flyk

DID YOU?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yes right there

Simon

@Flyk NO BUT RORO DOES IT 24/7.

etherealflux

@Flyk you just said it right there

Flyk

15:41

@etherealflux @RоryMcCune gets away with it for being awesome, I don't know you so you're not even funny

Rоry McCune

@Simon can't blame me for trying to educate you heathens

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune Yes we can.

Flyk

@Simon LUCKY RORY, MOST MEN HIS AGE CAN'T EVEN...

Simon

@Flyk LOLOLOL

Rоry McCune

@Flyk \o/ free bad joke pass :)

Simon

15:42

OLD RORO

Rоry McCune

@Flyk hey, remember I'm the young rory in this room

Flyk

@RоryMcCune senility has its perks

Rоry McCune

@Flyk had to be some advantage

Flyk

@RоryMcCune in the absence of t'other @Rory you're the oldest

Rоry McCune

@Flyk ... hey @RoryAlsop get your senile backside in here and make me look young !

Iszi

15:43

@Flyk OtherRory is still in the room list.

Flyk

young(er)

@Iszi doesn't count

David Freitag

Simon

eh wot

Flyk

anyway now that I look like a slut in the starlist again

even though I was talking about sour cream

(thanks guys)

Simon

pls

If anything, you look like a whore.

David Freitag

15:44

@Flyk It's ok, I look like a slut too.

Iszi

@Simon Nope. Slut. Whores do it for a living.

Simon

@Iszi You would know ex-one, you would know.

Iszi

@Simon I only learned that from your mom. She was very particular about making sure I got it right.

Simon

pls

Flyk

the DMZ, where conversations about semantics overrule all other conversations

Iszi

15:47

@Flyk Not so. There's other priorities that are actually in the room description, you know.

Flyk

I've never seen a conversation about any of those things occur

and even if they were, if a conversation about the meaning of the words used in that conversation were to break out immediately after, that conversation would win

Iszi

@Flyk C'mon... @Simon is always going on about his donuts, which classify as a subset of food. The Scots are always talking about libations - and their mere presence covers the Rory topic. And Security... well, yeah. That one nearly never happens.

We need to bring back double-entendre to the top of the list. Then it'll be semi-accurate again.

Flyk

@Iszi when @Simon talks about donuts, he's talking about women he has sex with

@Iszi Most of the food discussed is barely food

Simon

double-donut

Iszi

@Flyk If that were true, he'd have nothing to say on the matter.

Flyk

15:51

@Iszi hence why most of those conversations start as "my donut" followed by gibberish

Simon

@Flyk Hey, hey, woman.

raz

@Iszi donut-entendre

Simon

Actually... Yeah, well, I'll just shut up.

Flyk

Nobody talks about Rory, they're just omnipresent, except when they're not

I don't even know what libations means without googling it so that doesn't count

Iszi

@Flyk How old are you again?

David Freitag

15:52

@Simon LUNCH

Simon

@Iszi She's probably 12 just like me because I have no idea either.

Flyk

@Iszi "again"? Like I've ever revealed that information

Iszi

@Flyk Darn. You got me.

Simon

@DavidFreitag AW DUDE I CAME IN 45 mins later than usual so I'm gonna eat lunch at :30 :(

Flyk

Let's go with "younger than you (not that that's difficult)"

Iszi

15:54

@Flyk Yeah, but are you too old to be my daughter?

Simon

@Iszi Yep.

Iszi

@Simon As if she's told you.

Simon

@Iszi She's obviously around my age.

Rоry McCune

@Iszi given the likely range for @Flyk and assuming that your profile age is accurate I'd say she's a bit too old to be a kid of most of the DMZ denizens bar the elder rory :op

Iszi

Anyone else ever wonder if @Flyk is just @Simon's sockpuppet?

Simon

15:56

lps

Rоry McCune

I'd include myself, but I have this weird mental construct where I'm still young which precludes me thinking of myself as old enough to have kids

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Dafuq?

Rоry McCune

@Iszi hey a lot of people feel younger than they actually are, internally I still think of myself as being in my 20's

Flyk

@Iszi how old are you?

Iszi

Well, biologically speaking I'm old enough to have kids who are old enough to drink in the U.S.. But just barely, and that's a bit of a stretch.

Rоry McCune

15:58

even tho' this has not been the case in ages

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune growing up is always optional :)

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana thanks :) yeah that's my theory

Ohnana

meanwhile i'm watching people from my high school get married and having kids and i'm fucking baffled

Iszi

@Ohnana Is that her stage name or something?

Flyk

my age is such that from the age of 35+ would be young enough maybe?

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