The DMZ

Lucas Kauffman

15:00

@RoryAlsop What were the typical use cases on those?

Rory Alsop

> two built-in floppy drives which hold 91K of data each, with floppy disk storage compartments
a detachable full-size keyboard with numeric keypad
a built-in, albeit small, monochrome CRT monitor.
runs the CP/M Operating System, the most popular OS at the time.

Mostly word processing

I have one game left for this one

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop word processing?

but you barely have a screen...

Rory Alsop

some analytics work - these were cutting edge. You could take maths when travelling

yup

word processing - you could write documents

Lucas Kauffman

what did one of these cost in todays money?

Rory Alsop

that's a 2.5" screen! Nearly as big as a modern phone screen :-)

they were around $2000 in 1981

Look at that motherboard

Lucas Kauffman

15:02

so in todays money too damn expensive?

Rory Alsop

oldcomputers.net/osborne.html

quite expensive :-)

Lucas Kauffman

dang

Rory Alsop

apparently only 4,400 USD today

Xander

@LucasKauffman According to the calculator I just found, $2000 in 1981 dollars is $5,400 today.

Rory Alsop

stats.areppim.com/calc/calc_usdlrxdeflator.php

Xander

15:03

in2013dollars.com/1981-dollars-in-2014?amount=2000

Adnan

tinyurl.com/psych-today-crime

Lucas Kauffman

@Xander The Macbook Pro of their day?

Adnan

Apparently, humas are good at spotting criminals

And women are bad at spotting rapists

kalina

"Microsoft unveils Android phone"

might as well just shut down that Windows Phone division, right?

> The Nokia X2 features an Android user interface that resembles Windows Phone

Lucas Kauffman

vintage computers

I was thinking of buying an AS400 for the lulz ones, was only 900 eur, but I probably wouldn't even get it booted

I probably wouldn't even know how to install an OS onto it

Rory Alsop

15:07

@LucasKauffman You don't boot it, you commence IPL

:-)

IBM redbooks are actually astonishingly comprehensive

kalina

I actually want a windows phone for my next phone I think

Rory Alsop

@kalina why.....

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop I heard they are actually not bad at all

AviD

@kalina @Iszi and I recommend this.

FEichinger

@kalina Not you as well ...

kalina

15:16

@RoryAlsop because I've heard the only thing actually wrong with them is they don't have millions of fart apps

and I don't really see that as a negative?

saying that, the new version of android+sense on my phone has fixed my battery issues

AviD

@kalina was it @FEichinger? I bet it was @FEichinger.

sorry @FEichinger.

@kalina oh, the fart apps they have. its the rest of the useless apps that are missing.

FEichinger

@AviD Heey!

AviD

actually the only missing apps that really matter are for specific companies. e.g. certain banks and such.

1 min ago, by AviD

sorry @FEichinger.

FEichinger

@AviD I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. YOU ARE NOT SORRY.

AviD

anyway, we are yet to have any proof that she actually knows anybody else IRL.

Rory Alsop

15:20

@AviD maybe she knows all of us, but we don't know it........

AviD

@RoryAlsop and we are all secretly verified??

Rory Alsop

@AviD or vilified, I dunno :-)

kalina

@AviD oh, you misunderstand how absolute and permanent my disassociation is

@AviD I... er, I'm saying nothing

AviD

@kalina so you're saying you have a permanent disassociative disorder?

that.... actually explains a lot.

kalina

@AviD explain what you mean by that

AviD

15:29

urmmm.... nothing. nothing at all.

kalina

...

AviD

fugue.

kalina

I won't be angry, I just don't understand

AviD

Fugue state

A fugue state, formally dissociative fugue or psychogenic fugue (DSM-IV Dissociative Disorders 300.13), is a rare psychiatric disorder characterized by reversible amnesia for personal identity, including the memories, personality, and other identifying characteristics of individuality. The state is usually short-lived (ranging from hours to days), but can last months or longer. Dissociative fugue usually involves unplanned travel or wandering, and is sometimes accompanied by the establishment of a new identity. After recovery from fugue, previous memories usually return intact, but the...

kalina

no that's not what I said at all

AviD

15:30

@kalina you expect we fear your anger more than we do.

@kalina no, thats what I said.

kalina

yes but that isn't what I said

AviD

@kalina this then?

Dissociative disorder

Dissociative disorders (DD) are conditions that involve disruptions or breakdowns of memory, awareness, identity or perception. People with dissociative disorders use dissociation, a defense mechanism, pathologically and involuntarily. Dissociative disorders are thought to primarily be caused by psychological trauma. The dissociative disorders listed in the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-5 are as follows: * Dissociative identity disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder): the alternation of two or more distinct personality states with impaired recall among personality state...

kalina

I mean that if I choose to cease tolerating an individual and they cease to exist as far as I'm concerned

AviD

So I hear that I need to start watching Silicon Valley. Opinions?

kalina

is that a tv show?

AviD

15:35

@kalina yeah

imdb.com/title/tt2575988

kalina

I'm bored

did I mention that I'm bored?

I think you should all know that I'm bored

AJ Henderson

@kalina I would never have guessed

kalina

I have read every article on the front page of theregister

I have read every article on the BBC news site

I have read every article on BlinkFeed

I can't read anymore

AJ Henderson

chat involves reading

just sayin

kalina

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AJ Henderson

15:41

@kalina I really, really hope you have a tool that does that for you

kalina

fig

AviD

@AJHenderson my guess is @FEichinger

kalina

@AviD that's rude

my tool takes offence

AJ Henderson

@AviD that's almost as bad as my comment when someone asked for a tool to do a particular audio effect and I told them I call the tool a sound guy

AviD

@AJHenderson true. but she didnt deny it.

FEichinger

15:42

Two weeks ago I was her AI-enhanced sex toy ... Now I'm a tool for ASCII art.

What is wrong with you people?

2

kalina

@FEichinger I don't know about all of those guys, but I'm completely innocent.

FEichinger

@kalina ಠ_ಠ

AviD

@FEichinger you have an extra SCI ?

AJ Henderson

@FEichinger if you still have to ask, you clearly haven't been paying enough attention

kalina

let's draw him a picture

SE chat would be better if it was an interactive white board

so we could draw penises at each other

AviD

15:45

or on each other

kalina

or in each other

AJ Henderson

@kalina you still hang out in here, by definition something is wrong with you

kalina

@AJHenderson I know there is something wrong with me

I don't deny it

it doesn't affect whether or not I am innocent, though

pen island

expert sex change

AJ Henderson

@kalina do I need to rename this to "The Closet"?

kalina

@AJHenderson no but if you want you could make me room owner

AJ Henderson

15:47

@kalina now that's a terrifying thought :)

kalina

@AJHenderson hardly, it's a powerless position that allows me to do nothing other than add purile tags to the room and put it in gallary mode whenever simon arrives

AJ Henderson

@kalina and delete user messages at will

kalina

@AJHenderson wrong

AJ Henderson

really? I thought that was an owner priv

kalina

NEGATIVE

room owners can do nothing

AJ Henderson

15:49

they can move messages

kalina

only if they own both the room they're in and the target room they're moving the message to

why am I teaching you how to stack exchange

psh

AJ Henderson

because I don't have to worry about user limitations in chat anymore ;)

AviD

there are user limitations in chat??

kalina

there are no limitations on which users can chat

it's a shame

any user with a capital letter in their name should be NUKED FROM ORBIT

AviD

damn, absolute powers have corrupted my memory absolutely.

kalina

15:52

you call your powers absolute, I sit next to the button that ends the world and haven't touched it once.

it's flashing and everything.

AviD

oh, forgot about that button.

kalina

big red button, that flashes, and has "PRESS ME" written in white across it

soooooooooooo tempting

but alas, pushing the button would end the existence of all human life

Terry Chia

@kalina They can view deleted messages, that's juicy enough.

kalina

and I haven't written off your pitiful species yet

Terry Chia

@AJHenderson I would like to be room owner please. :)

kalina

15:53

I'm still sure that there is at least one decent human on the planet

FEichinger

@kalina ...

Terry Chia

@kalina I would say @FEichinger but he writes PHP.

kalina

@FEichinger diddums

AviD

@kalina is this just blind optimism, or have you met her?

kalina

@AviD blind optimism

FEichinger

15:54

@TerryChia I think I'll take that as a compliment anyway.

kalina

hey, be grateful, if I didn't have blind optimism I would have ended your species already!

@FEichinger only a PHP developer would take a negative as a positive

Terry Chia

@kalina Nah, Javascript developers as well.

FEichinger

16:10

@kalina Hey, I'm just saying - if the only thing @Terry can complain about is that I write PHP, that's pretty good for me!

Terry Chia

@FEichinger Maybe I simply don't know you well enough.

AviD

@FEichinger ... except for the fact that you write PHP.

... which kind of overshadows anything else.

Axe murderer? Kitten torturer? Corrupt politician? Pshaw, that's nothing - this one writes PHP.

7

kalina

16:48

"It has been reported that the shooter - Mr Eichinger - is in fact a PHP developer. There has been an international outcry in favour of getting this monstrosity out of our children's schools and our of the workplace."

or

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop good android stuff, amazingly annoying "smart" windows on this room, they have servo motors opening/closing them as the temp changes which is alllll the time :op

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune like in the gogar office - really loud

kalina

"The CDC warns today of a highly infectious disease known as 'PHP'. This 'PHP' disease causes otherwise rational people to act upon bad decisions, write terribly formed badly commented code, and occasionally - torture small animals."

"Anybody you suspect may have been in contact with 'PHP' should be reported immediately. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES approach the individual, as they may spout bullshit akin to Vogon poetry about how PHP isn't all bad and does, in fact, have some upsides."

so I'm bored again

Time for genocide

Rory Alsop

@kalina crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

there you go

kalina

I'm already committing genocide

FEichinger

16:54

@RoryAlsop Nah, she plays the shameless clone.

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger what's that?

kalina

GENOCIDE

nobody even saw it coming

Rory Alsop

URL?

kalina

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.miniclip.plagueinc3

Rory Alsop

oh - it's an app

nvm - I only have 2 game apps on my phone

kalina

16:56

no duh, I just pasted the android button bar on the bottom of it for fun!

rolleyes

it's good because it's the kind of game you can play while driving

Rory Alsop

@kalina you forget - I have old eyes. Can't see that bar unless I really zoom in

FEichinger

@kalina So you're killing people in parallel, nice!

kalina

@RoryAlsop that screenshot is at a higher resolution than your TV!

Rory Alsop

@kalina heh - I doubt it :-)

kalina

@RoryAlsop 1920x1200!

Rory Alsop

16:58

@kalina I rest my case

kalina

:(

well that works 90% of the time

Rory Alsop

actually, it comes up as 910 by 569 :-)

kalina

well I resized it, obviously

Rory Alsop

@kalina oooh - good bluff

kalina

I don't have a mobile device with a resolution below 1920x1080

@RoryAlsop well if you think, most consumers think HD is the business

whereas everybody in the world of computing thinks of HD as a widescreen resolution from the 2000s

Rory Alsop

16:59

@kalina I have to admit that while 3 of the mobiles on my desk are at that res, I have 6 within arms reach that are lower

@kalina heh - very true

don't ask why I'm messing with old mobile phones

but they all work, and I can't resist making them as up to date as possible

kalina

the oldest phone currently in my possession is an iPhone 4

Rory Alsop

@kalina oldest in front of me is an HTC Desire HD

but in my drawer I have the full line of nokias - unbroken back to 3110

and some other weird ones

kalina

why would you keep those

Rory Alsop

@kalina they all work

kalina

...so?

Rory Alsop

17:02

I (almost) never ditch anything that still works or can be repurposed

I have only once done a cull - one house move I ditched 28 servers

(but I had virtualised most of them so it was ok)

kalina

oh right, that makes it fine then!

...

the oldest thing I own

Rory Alsop

Stuff - it's fun - stops me being bored

kalina

is...

Rory Alsop

I actually have t-shirts older than you

kalina

hang on, let me have a quick look around

Rory Alsop

17:04

I have a jumper older than your dad

in fact, older than mine

and I'd be willing to bet four of my guitars are older than you

I'm a hoarder

:-)

kalina

ok the oldest thing I own is an eeyore beanie baby type thing

that has to be more than a decade old

but it drops off pretty sharply after that

Rory Alsop

:-)

kalina

digitally I never delete anything

I don't know why

David Freitag

The oldest thing I have is a WWII era knife

kalina

but in real life I'm a minimalist

I have no collections of optical medias or anything like that

except for 3-4 DVDs

I suppose actually quite a bit of my vinyl collection is going to scale all the way back in to the early 90s

I'm pretty sure I have an original pressing of Paul van Dyk - For an Angel

which would be 1994

and Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia

would be '97

I do have a copy of Quake on CD, which would be 95

I own nothing that is older than I am though, I'm pretty sure of that

Rory Alsop

17:10

@kalina I do have a couple of thousand CD's, but I play them once each - to record them to mp3 - then they go into the attic. At some point I may sell them, but that seems like effort

kalina

why MP3?

actually I don't want to have that discussion

Rory Alsop

@kalina okay - it's actually a 2 stage. I have them all in FLAC (except for some of the early stuff I ripped) and then I mp3 them for some devices

kalina

I will accept this answer

Rory Alsop

but mp3 at full quality is fine for everything except metal and classical

:-)

kalina

no

Rory Alsop

17:16

lol

(I was just messing with you there)

kalina

At least you didn't say WMA at any point during the above

Rory Alsop

@kalina nor AAAAAAC

;-P

David Freitag

What about OGG? That's good stuff right there.

kalina

@DavidFreitag same category as MP3, AAC, WMA

David Freitag

I also noticed no one has mentioned .WAV

kalina

17:19

FLAC or WAV for music, or be deaf and use MP3 if you really must just because it's so widely supported

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag wav is just storage inefficient. If you can use flac you might as well

David Freitag

Shows what I know... I thought WAV was bottom of the bucket

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag no - wav is as accurate a copy as you will get

kalina

I would use WAV for anything I'm going to load into a sampler

Rory Alsop

^what she said

kalina

17:20

but I store my music as FLAC

Rory Alsop

record all samples as wavs so your DAW doesn't need to perform unnecessary calculation

David Freitag

Don't you need like studio quality headphones to even hear the difference between FLAC and high quality mp3?

kalina

yep

has enough processing overhead as it is, doesn't need more

@DavidFreitag nope

Rory Alsop

depends on the music type @David

kalina

you need to be not deaf

David Freitag

17:21

I must be deaf then

kalina

probably

Rory Alsop

really simple stuff can be encoded well enough that no-one in tests could tell the difference, but anything wide spectrum (especially metal or classical) makes it obvious

pop music = easily encodable in mp3

David Freitag

I'll have to see if I can find some Kalmah FLAC's kicking around.

kalina

although by deaf, I mean less sensitive to particular frequency ranges

you wouldn't even really notice it in day to day life

Rory Alsop

the thing that annoys me most with mp3 is the janglies - I don;'t know the correct term, but boy are they annoying

kalina

17:22

the janglies?

Rory Alsop

when you have some complex bass, and melody, and distortion (eg metal) you get weeeird artifacts

yeah @kalina - they jangle atonally

really nasty

kalina

@RoryAlsop like an under water sound on the high end?

with dance music it's generally all of the high end percussion and the really low end of the bassline

Rory Alsop

yeah same stuff - and same reason. mp3 can't cope with that wide a frequency range successfully

kalina

I duno, with super low quality MP3 its far easier to explain, because it simply sounds like you've got water in your ears

but with high quality most of that disappears and it just sounds dead and lifeless with artifacts in the decays

Rory Alsop

it becomes more tinny/jangly with really complex music even at pretty high quality

especially on that high end

it does something weird and really kills warm metal distortion - which might be what you are saying but for different music

right - time to feed the kids [puts on a 128kbps mp3 of Ace of Base - All that she wants]

kalina

17:26

I can't say I've ever listened to anything that would even be appropriate to form a judgement with :p

ONE MOMENT LISTENING TO METALLICA - ENTER SANDMAN

David Freitag

Google play doesn't have Metallica :[

kalina

I actually have a "Rock" folder in my music collection due to previous living arrangements

Z:\Music\ROCK\Metallica>dir /A:D /B
Creeping Death
A Tribute To the Four Horsemen
New Skulls For The Old Ceremony
Rarezas
Nothing Else Matters
Platinium 2 of 2
Ride The Lightning
Load
Garage Inc 1 of 2
Escape From The Studio '06
Kill 'Em All
St. Anger
...And Justice For All
S & M 1 of 2
Live Shit Binge & Purge 1 of 3
S & M 2 of 2
Master of Puppets
One (German Single)
Acoustic Metal
Metallica
Platinium 1 of 2
Garage Days
The Unnamed Feeling
Some Kind of Monster
Jump In The Fire
Live Shit Binge & Purge 3 of 3

that is all

David Freitag

Metallica in German? Heh

kalina

yep, ears are bleeding now

brb, going to go and die.

Braiam

18:17

oh boy, we need to exorcise the chat room

David Freitag

@Braiam I'll get my spandex

Xander

@Braiam I only want to exorcise if we're doing yoga. (Calling stretching and breathing deeply "exorcise" FTW.)

Braiam

there's something fundamentally wrong with this chat room....

Lucas Kauffman

@Braiam If you don't like it you can always leave.

Braiam

@LucasKauffman I didn't said I didn't like it :/

Xander

18:31

@Braiam If you don't like it yet, just wait till @Simon comes back.

Nobody likes it then.

So I guess the Area 51 proposal for lockpicking was deep-sixed?

kalina

18:54

I mean, hi!

@Braiam there's something fundamentally wrong with you!

fine, I'm watching TNG again

Rory Alsop

@Xander wait, what - when did it die?

Xander

@RoryAlsop I dunno, but it isn't there any more. :-( area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/39915/locksmithing

And I had such fun picking locks at B-Sides on Saturday....

Rory Alsop

@Xander I thought I was following that one - but didn't get a notification

@Xander that's always fun. I've never been good enough to enter one of the competitions they run though

Xander

@RoryAlsop You were, and I was too. I didn't get a notification either.

@RoryAlsop This was my first go at it. It was great fun. I got through five locks, and bought a pick set, now I'm going around picking every lock I can find in the house.

Rory Alsop

@Xander you'll find yourself eyeing up random padlocks etc wherever you go

that bridge in Paris, for example...

Xander

19:05

@RoryAlsop LOL..I'm sure I will. I already have the urge to go to the hardware store and buy more locks just to have a go at them.

@RoryAlsop That's awesome.

TildalWave

@FEichinger question is, what is wrong with you that you didn't like the @kalina's AI-enhanced sex toy position?

Rory Alsop

it is an excellent hobby, and a fun talking point if you teach young kids to do it

@TildalWave you re-reading the transcript :-)

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop we have one like this here too ... it's an international conspiracy I tell you :)

wow, beautiful lightning just now ... I'll try and capture some

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave didn't you read @kalina's post? You don't capture it...you Ride The Lightning!

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop couldn't resist with you posting pics of old hardware, I'm an orthotechnophile :=)

Rory Alsop

19:08

@TildalWave good word

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop thanks, just made it up, google didn't find anything on it LOL

kalina

19:22

too much blue in here

I hate to interrupt your blue people circle jerking

but there are more important things to discuss

nothing is springing to mind immediately

but I'm pretty sure there are more important things

Xander

@kalina I don't think you ever told us what you think about Nest.

FEichinger

@TildalWave Nothing wrong with that. The change of position is ... wait, no, bad phrasing ...

kalina

@Xander I think it's a nice idea but I wouldn't want the full potential of the idea anywhere near my home while it's integrated with anything at all

Xander

@kalina Ah, yes, the privacy thing.

kalina

computer controlled heating, locks, lighting, etc etc etc would be awesome but it would all have to be separate from the rest of the world

TildalWave

19:40

got others too ... was pretty cool time for it

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave that's an interesting horizon

how long exposure was that?

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop c'mon, say it, you know you want to :)

@RoryAlsop 15 seconds

I think

thereabout

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave I'm resisting, on account of my maturity and stuff

TildalWave

OK I'll say it then

electric tits

Rory Alsop

but that lightning on the nipple must hurt

heh

TildalWave

19:42

^ the title of the photo

well there's a restaurant on top of "the nipple" of course

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave just the one?

TildalWave

yup the other peak isn't as nice to walk to, kinda too steep for most

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave So is all that lightning hitting the peaks themselves? How far away is that?

TildalWave

about 10 km

Rory Alsop

I just really like the way the shot has soft out of focus clouds, and a really crisp foreground, but well defined 'classic' lightning

TildalWave

19:47

it's not a tall hill, there's many like it all around, but that one stands on its own so I guess it's a more attractive tourist point ... plus it resembles certain body parts

cam does that on its own, some HDR program that's made for starry skies but I realized it's perfect for lightnings too

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu in case you're missing @adnan, here's a picture of him doing his OWASP duty and helping out today...

Thomas Pornin

@RoryAlsop He. That one had some trouble a few days ago. Part of the railing collapsed under the accumulated weight of all the padlocks.

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin wow

I assumed they just regularly cleaned them off

Thomas Pornin

It would be a shame.

Braiam

SO. MUCH. BLUE!

Rory Alsop

19:56

@RоryMcCune I should have given you a spare t-shirt or two

(might be only one left...)

Thomas Pornin

As per the local Tradition, the padlocks are installed by couples as a token of their everlasting love, or something quaint like that.

TildalWave

@Braiam hey I'm not a local blue :P

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin do they hire locksmiths to remove them when they split up

(easier than tattoo removal, I guess)

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop I was wearing mine today, doing my bit for the cause!

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune swagster!

Rory Alsop

19:58

@RоryMcCune @Adnan was saying few had heard of the Sec.SE teim

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave I forget where I got it, must've been @RoryAlsop ... but hey a good T-Shirt is a good T-Shirt!

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I think I must have so far delivered about 50 to deserving individuals

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah ironic given that Sec.SE was proposed by someone who was on the OWASP board at the time...

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune I know

Thomas Pornin

Dear sir, a non native English speaker may have to invest time in deciphering your poetic post in order to unravel the actual answer. With all due respect (And although the poem is awesome) poetry shouldn't be on Stack Exchange and the upvotes are giving newbies the wrong impression that such answers are acceptable. — Hello World 2 hours ago

Rory Alsop

19:59

@ThomasPornin what? Banhammer :-)

Rоry McCune

there was a suggestion that they contribute to Sec.SE as a q&a platform, but instead they decided to do they're own thing which never got traction <sigh>

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