The DMZ

David Freitag

20:00

Ah, so i just learned that i got sucked into a board meeting tomorrow... Hopefully if i show off infront of them they'll just give me the raise.

Scott Pack

@AviD Eh?

David Freitag

Eww 9am? I'm not even usually out of bed by then.

AviD

@ScottPack nothing really.... sad state of higher education.

Scott Pack

@AviD Yeah, way too expensive.

@AviD Tuition at my shitty alma is about twice what it was back in 2004.

tylerl

Wife has 2 degrees; one from a state university, one from a community college. Guess which ones earns her an actual salary.

Scott Pack

20:03

Clearly the Art History degree.

tylerl

@ScottPack not far off: Psychology

Iszi

@AviD I dunno. I never realized there was a difference between chewing & dipping, let alone why they call it dipping in the first place.

Scott Pack

@tylerl Yeah, that one's hard to work directly unless you continue on to graduate school.

tylerl

@ScottPack even if you go to graduate school, it's the 3rd lowest earning degree overall.

and also the single most popular

Scott Pack

@tylerl Seriously? Wow.

I can see psychology being useful context for a lot of other programs (like marketing) but by itself. Yeah, rough.

tylerl

20:07

US census recently started asking people what degree they got if any, so now the data actually exists

NPR: What's Your Major?

Scott Pack

NPR. Y U NO TRANSCRIPT

tylerl

Sorry; thing it might be 3rd most popular, single lowest earning.

Lucas Kauffman

I can make 100k in the US with a major in CS?

what

Iszi

@tylerl Seems everyone I know who's in college is majoring in Psych, or has in the past - even the IT folk.

tylerl

AviD

20:12

@tylerl is this ever, or right out of college?

tylerl

that's lifetime average

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Can and will are very different things.

AviD

ah.

Lucas Kauffman

@tylerl ah lifetime average then it's ok

Rory Alsop

That's a scary low lifetime average

AviD

20:12

@LucasKauffman so you can make that even without the major...

Iszi

'Course since it's so hugely popular there's probably a significant percentage of people who got the degree, but never actually pursued the career, that are throwing off the average.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman It also depends highly on where you are. The SF area, for example, will easily net you well above that. It's also fucking redonculously expensive to live there.

Rory Alsop

security, in my limited experience, would average a lot higher than that

tylerl

Though from the NPR program, if you major in any petroleum engineering program, you'll probably be recruited before you graduate at a salary over $100k starting

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop give me something to expect in 10 years

Rory Alsop

20:13

PS - good evening lovely people

AviD

@RoryAlsop what about @Simon???

Rory Alsop

@Lucas - that top figure is doable in ten years

@avid - maybe not Simon

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman The cost of living is about double there what it is here. Housing is probably 4-5 times higher.

Rory Alsop

but the tips will be good

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop 100k would be nice

Scott Pack

20:14

@RoryAlsop So you want just the tip?

Rory Alsop

and I'm thinking pounds, not dollars

Hahahaha @scott

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop getting better.

AviD

@RoryAlsop I've noticed that UK salaries are substantially lower than US salaries, or so it seemed.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Housing really is the biggest part, too. The house I paid 170k USD for here is pretty equivalent to a house I know of just outside of Edinburgh that was about 500k GBP.

AviD

@ScottPack Location, location, location. And a nice view.

Scott Pack

20:17

@AviD Their view was slightly better, but yeah. All together pretty equivalent.

Lucas Kauffman

I'd like to buy a house in 3 years

I should make about half more what I'm making now

a decent house will set me back about 300k

@RoryAlsop never thought about buying a castle?

Rory Alsop

@avid - not as far as I have seen:-)

tylerl

@LucasKauffman The house I bought 2 years ago now would cost about 2x what I paid. Probably a special case, but an interesting datapoint

Rory Alsop

@Lucas - always. I even have my features shortlist ( including number of crenellations, depth of moat, number of sharks etc)

Nearly bought one once, but the upkeep would have bankrupted me

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop I can also find some here in Belgium, but it's a nightmare to maintain them as you are not allowed to change anything on them because they are considered "cultural heritage"

Rory Alsop

20:23

Yeah, this one was £1 to buy and £1M a year estimated upkeep

AviD

@RoryAlsop hmm, curious.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Don't forget about the death taxes.

Rory Alsop

Death taxes? Lawyers minimise that kind of nonsense

Scott Pack

:%s/minimise/minimize/

AviD

@RoryAlsop Nonsense?? Everyone needs to bear their fair share of deaths!

Rory Alsop

20:32

I was only expecting to go through it once. Is my fair share.

well, once a millennium

AviD

there can be only one.

Scott Pack

Lame.

Rory Alsop

@Scott - z is not s.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Clearly Merkin is your native language.

Rory Alsop

are you implying I am a cunning linguist?

TildalWave

20:42

I just had a chilling thought ... what would happen to the Internet if the Great Firewall of China came crashing down?

@RoryAlsop hehehe nice

Antony Vennard

@TildalWave Global VPN usage would drop.

Hey why do I... oh well I have a silly avatar

AviD

@AntonyVennard oh was gonna ask

TildalWave

@AntonyVennard who the f* are you? :D :D

Antony Vennard

@AviD I changed my email, that's why. No GRRRRR avatar

TildalWave

ah that'd explain it

AviD

20:44

ohhh

Antony Vennard

I'll fix that when I can be bothered

I actually posted an answer today. First time in months

TildalWave

it's OK but ... pink? really?

AviD

@AntonyVennard TWSS

@TildalWave TWSS, too

TildalWave

lol

Antony Vennard

@TildalWave What's wrong with pink?

AviD

20:46

it's not the 80's anymore, yknow.

Or the 90's, if you live here.

TildalWave

OK I guess I'm 80s paranoid then

Antony Vennard

@AviD I don't remember the 80s. However, anecdotal evidence suggests hair styles were terrible and my not remembering may be a good thing.

AviD

there were some good parts of the 80s, but hair was not one of them.

Iszi

@TildalWave Save the ta-tas!

TildalWave

Nobody that was alive in the 80's remembers anything from then

AviD

20:49

@TildalWave actually I do have some bits and flashes.

TildalWave

Please... don't remind me OK? It's ... embarassing

AviD

haha

More so over here. Dont forget, we had it delayed by half a decade.

TildalWave

think of all the money that went into therapies and such

Antony Vennard

@TildalWave Yeah but my maximum age during the 80s was 2, so, a) I don't remember anything because of biology and b) legally, I was not responsible for anything that happened during that period.

Adnan

Morning, ladies

TildalWave

20:51

I was 16 when the era ended ... by calendar, I'd say it lasted a few more years in reality tho

@Adnan you stud! :)

AviD

@AntonyVennard whoa, you're younger than I thought. And here your posts sound like a grownup.

Antony Vennard

@AviD Blame that on spellcheck!

Really I'm just writing with a crayon on a graphics tablet.

AviD

hahaha

Adnan

@TildalWave How is it going around here?

@Antony What the hell happened to you?

AviD

@Adnan He went pink!

Iszi

20:53

@TildalWave Don't they all?

TildalWave

@Adnan I haven't a clue really ... I just joined in

Oh noes they just imply innuendo in other chat rooms and flags start flying... since I'm a smurf I really started hating some SE chat rooms ... what a bunch of p***sies

Antony Vennard

@Adnan Stackexchange hashed my new email and decided this was "pink".

TildalWave

@Iszi Dunno, with the noughties everyone was eager they end ASAP

Rory Alsop

@tildal - I remember the eighties very well. And the seventies

Iszi

@TildalWave Wow. How is it this is the first time I've ever heard anyone call them that?! Brilliant!

AviD

20:58

@Iszi @TildalWave ditto. I approve this.

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop well you were by then prolly on memory boosters already :P we were on the opposite :)

Rory Alsop

hair was bad then, but I an fervently anti-fashion so what do I know

TildalWave

I was a punk rocker anyway so what did I care?

my biggest badge on my jacket was GBH

just for the kicks if anyone asked what that meant

Rory Alsop

I was a hippy and a punk and a rocker and a metal head

Adnan

@AntonyVennard But you had a different avatar, a better one.

Rory Alsop

21:01

still a bit of all of them. I don't have a Mohawk any more, but I do still like wearing leather and chains to the ballet

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop you had quite a selection of women to choose from then :)

Antony Vennard

@Adnan yeah but new email doesn't have gravatar. I am intending to fix this.

But, my picture... it's not such a biggie.

Maybe I'll fix it with a PINK avatar.

Adnan

@AntonyVennard Doesn't matter, you can use imgur

Antony Vennard

@Adnan ohyeah!

Adnan

@AntonyVennard Hover over your picture in your profile and 'change picture' and upload one from there.

Quite nice. I think SE started using it a few months ago

Rory Alsop

21:03

@tildal - you know about Orkney then?

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop tomb of the eagles?

Antony Vennard

@Adnan Yeah I remember reading the announcement

I am now fixed.

Rory Alsop

That is there, sure, but not a good place to pick up girls...

TildalWave

Hmmm then no I dunno anything else abut the island, why? What was going on there?

ah I get it... I think

> Horny Doggers love Orkney Dogging as it has numerous secret UK Dogging sites with some are so secret only a select few Dogging fans know about them.

this?

maths sense of humour quiz: theguardian.com/science/quiz/2013/oct/21/…

Rory Alsop

21:19

Horny diggers? Eh wut?

Hahahahaha 10/10 @tildal. Does that make me a saddo?

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop by that logic, your score comes out as 1 so there's your answer in boolean :P

I don't get a few of them I admit ... some are funny tho

purple grape is about commutativity?

Rory Alsop

Google purple grape:-)

AviD

catering?

Rory Alsop

Sorry, Google abelian:-)

AviD

Lost. Too tired to care.

TildalWave

21:35

@RoryAlsop yes... commutativity then... OK I scored 8/10 without counting that one, so 9/10 because I did get it, sort of :P

AviD

ahh, didnt get that this was about the math quiz.

TildalWave

hehehe you need some rest man ;)

OK I figured it out which one I got wrong ... the last one ... I was sure it's the “Goethe wrote Faust and Joyce wrote Ulysses!”

My fav was: What does the "B" in Benoit B Mandelbrot stand for? Perhaps a bit too obvious but still rather funny :)

Simon

21:52

@RoryAlsop HEY!!!!!!

@DavidFreitag So, you work during the day and go to school during the evening? Ewwww.

Xander

22:44

@Simon Yes, it's called "ambition" or "work ethic." I don't know that the concept has been introduced to Canada yet.

Simon

@Xander -.-

I'm gonna write a script that will steal all your first post reviews.

Xander

@Simon LOL! Well played sir.

Simon

23:00

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