The DMZ

@RoryAlsop yes it has been a recent mockery and I have also brought this under the attention so it certainly is shown, with illustration at the next FSO Advisory team meeting.

Rory Alsop

7:43 PM

@LucasKauffman hahahahahaha

excellent

Iszi

I do like the new close process, but I kinda don't like that we don't have a RTFFAQ option anymore. 'Cause some cases really just call for that.

Simon

@LucasKauffman 0:38 is my ringtone: youtube.com/watch?v=tCrBEfbgkyo

Iszi

For that matter, what happened to our FAQ? You know, the one where it said "this stuff is on topic, this stuff isn't" etc.?

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon I'd love to watch it, problem is my hotel only allows for 100 MB/24 hours and then I need to go down stairs to get a new voucher

Simon

@LucasKauffman Oh yeah, no problem.

I'll show you later.

TildalWave

7:48 PM

@Iszi agreed, but VTC on anything close to that and then comment using [FAQ] and [Ask] links ;) the FAQ link now links to "Help center" since the change tho

Iszi

Ah, found it. Yeah, I think we still need a general close reason that reads something like the old (approx.) "Questions on this site should be about protecting assets from threats and vulnerabilities as defined in the FAQ".

@TildalWave It really threw me off that I couldn't find the "This site is about..." blurb where it used to be. This is the page I was looking for, though:

security.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

TildalWave

@Iszi the [Ask] link ("How To Ask") usually works for me, it links here: security.stackexchange.com/questions/how-to-ask

Iszi

What, no onebox for help topics?

TildalWave

@Iszi I'm also waiting for updates for that

Iszi

@TildalWave Again, a very generic page. When saying "off topic" I want to be able to point them directly to what's on-topic.

TildalWave

7:51 PM

@Iszi Yes, that's what I said ^^ ;) :P

Iszi

I actually don't like how generic the help section of the site is becoming. It's taking more and more clicks and link depth to get people to the sections that are meant to be site-specific.

TildalWave

dunno maybe they will add some new shorthand links, like [on-topic], [off-topic], [reopen] ...

Simon

Time to go play in the traffic.

Iszi

@TildalWave Still, I like how it used to be when I click the FAQ I get the site's definition put right up in front. Additionally, all of the relevant material one needed to learn the basics of this site and its operations was on one page. Instead, we now have a canned help section with no definition on the main page and over a dozen separate topics that need to be read in order to understand the site.

If I was a new user, I'd probably either just walk away or try learning the hard way (and, consequently, the way most likely to piss off veterans) before digging through twenty-some different articles to figure it all out.

AviD

awwww maaaan, judging from the starwall it looks like I missed a good round of yo momma.

and a collective thanks to all those wellwishers, and snarky comments...

Iszi

8:05 PM

@AviD Wait, did you just complain about not being around to hear all the noise?

@AviD Wellwishers what? I must have missed something.

AviD

@Iszi heh, its all about the SNR ratio, babay.

Adnan

@copy Yes it's over. Yes it is.

AviD

Jul 4 at 22:35, by AviD

Number five... is... ALLLIIIIIIIIIVEEE!!

Adnan

@AviD Is that yours?

AviD

is why I've not been around as of late, and why I've been earning some targeted snark...

@Adnan nah, I just grabbed one of the street.

picked one up in the hospital, and ran for it!

Rory Alsop

8:07 PM

@AviD - congrats dude!

Iszi

@AviD Wait... you have offspring? And by that message, I presume you mean five offspring now? We're all doomed.

Rory Alsop

that's a wee cutie

Adnan

@AviD He's so adorable!!

AviD

@RoryAlsop thanks! (x2... ;-) )

Rory Alsop

@Iszi He's just trying to stay ahead of me

AviD

8:08 PM

@Iszi heh, I assumed you knew that.

Iszi

All those Tiggers in one place are bound to bounce Earth off its axis or something.

2

AviD

@Adnan thanks :-) ("she" though...)

Rory Alsop

@Iszi Quick de-synch those mini-Tiggers

AviD

@Iszi hahaha

Rory Alsop

@AviD So - all well?

Adnan

8:09 PM

@AviD Well, that's awkward.

AviD

@RoryAlsop sshhh, they'll find out that I'm really older than you... age has nothing to do with it. ;-)

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Wow. That site is weird.

AviD

@Adnan nah, how could you tell?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack erm - yeah

Adnan

@ScottPack Rotten?

AviD

8:09 PM

@RoryAlsop yup, everyone all bouncin around again.

Adnan

@AviD Indeed

Scott Pack

@Adnan urbandictionary

AviD

@Adnan besides, we figured we'd wait 5-6 years, then let her decide.

Adnan

@ScottPack I actually learned many words from it.

Scott Pack

@AviD Seriously? You had another? What the fuck? Is that why you moved?

AviD

8:10 PM

@ScottPack lol

Adnan

@AviD I don't know how to respond to that

Rory Alsop

@AviD excellent! Is Mazal Tov the correct phrase for this sort of thing?

AviD

I'm trying to beat Steve Martin

@RoryAlsop yup!

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD I know you like to hump and all that (being a tiger) but you can put a condom around your tail :P also congratz :)

Scott Pack

@AviD Mazal Tov!

AviD

8:12 PM

@LucasKauffman how apt.

Scott Pack

@AviD This evening I'll raise something containing gin to the health of your wife and daughter.

AviD

@ScottPack good man!

@Adnan salon.com/2013/02/27/…

Iszi

@ScottPack That spelling feels off.

Scott Pack

@Iszi Being from Florida you would know much better than I.

Adnan

@AviD Is there a vowel between Mem and Zayin?

Iszi

8:14 PM

@ScottPack Dunno why you say that, but M-W says it should be "mazel tov".

Adnan

@AviD Or Lamedh for that matter

AviD

@Adnan not in hebrew, there are no vowels. there is letter-punctuation (is there a name for that?) which results in sounding like a long "a" sound.

Adnan

@AviD Oh, just like movements in Arabic.

Scott Pack

I think we need a Jew ruling on this one.

2

AviD

@Iszi thats wrong, the correct pronunciation is in fact "mazal tov". "Mazel" is the yiddish pronounciation.

Iszi

8:15 PM

Google says this is the Hebrew spelling: מזל טוב

AviD

@Adnan yes, exactly.

Adnan

@AviD Damn it! Was just about to say that!

I wanted one on Iszi

Scott Pack

So it's a transliteration problem. Suck it @Iszi.

AviD

@ScottPack I think that sounds racist, but I'm not sure.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD FLAG IT

Adnan

8:17 PM

@Iszi So much fail in that message!

Scott Pack

@AviD If anything it would be, at worst, specist.

AviD

@LucasKauffman I wish I could flag this salon.com/2013/06/24/…

Iszi

@Adnan If there is any, it's on Google's part. I'm just the messenger.

ManishEarth

Why do we live in a world where this is necessary?

checking size of char... 1
checking size of short... 2
checking size of int... 4
checking size of long... 8
checking size of long long... 8
checking size of unsigned int... 4
checking size of unsigned long... 8
checking size of unsigned long long... 8
checking size of float... 4
checking size of double... 8
checking size of long double... 16
checking size of size_t... 8
checking size of ptrdiff_t... 8

AviD

@ScottPack wait, what?

Scott Pack

8:18 PM

@AviD =D

Jeff Ferland

@ManishEarth Never seen other architectures before, have you?

Rory Alsop

There you go - a congratulatory Gin and Tonic

Made from Scottish gin

and not Infosec Geeky at all

Jeff Ferland

Some bastard named the variable for a shared secret "salt" and I've spent days trying to find where it was used as a salt. Grrr.

Thomas Pornin

@ManishEarth It is a variant of "640 kB ought to be enough for everyone"

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop Qualys scanners?

AviD

8:18 PM

together with the Security+ cert kit!

ManishEarth

@JeffFerland Oh, I know that. Shouldn't the programming language be masking the architecture?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Scottish malt gin?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Oh yes indeedy. Almost as good as Caorunn gin

Jeff Ferland

@ManishEarth C never really has all that much.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD What the actual f...

Thomas Pornin

8:19 PM

@ManishEarth Programming languages are ugly liars; they keep calling "integers" that which are merely "modular integers"

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop I'm going to assume it's definitely not a London dry. Probably more sweet?

Iszi

@AviD DAFUQ? I'm not gonna follow all those links - why was the six-year-old transgendered in the first place? I certainly hope it was medically necessary!

ManishEarth

@AviD I read that as "kilt" (see @Adnan's earlier messages)

Rory Alsop

Security+ was lying spare at work so I thought I'd read it. It's been sitting there ever since

Thomas Pornin

(except Common Lisp an Python)

Rory Alsop

8:19 PM

@LucasKauffman yup - freebie cup from Infosec Europe

Adnan

@ManishEarth Yeah. Next week you'll catch a gimps of my genitals.

I'll post a photo of me in my new kilt

AviD

@RoryAlsop oo looks like that cup made the registration fee worthwhile!

ManishEarth

scared

Scott Pack

@Iszi Transgendered does not imply post-op.

Adnan

@ManishEarth Why? They're majestic.

Iszi

8:20 PM

@ScottPack Yeah, there's another debate I don't want to go into. Though, wouldn't Transvestite be more accurate?

Rory Alsop

@AviD High quality plastic double walled cup with lid and straw. Looks very cheap, but is amazing. The only cup of mine the kids steal more is the paired water bottles bicycles.SE gave me

@Adnan You are the Bad Piper (AICMFP)

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Wait... Bicycles has water bottles? WANT!

AviD

@ScottPack yeah... @Iszi saw it elsewhere with more background - he had two sisters (triplets) and as a 4 year old (or something) said something stupid like "I'm a girl" - as all little kids do - and the parents were apparently too rainbowed to actually handle it like parents.

Scott Pack

@Iszi Transvestites are people who dress up like members of the opposite sex. Transgendered are people who identify as members of. That is having boy parts but feeling more like a lady.

AviD

dont get me wrong - when you grow up, you're free to decide to live any way you like - but those parents are idiots.

Rory Alsop

8:22 PM

21

Q: Bicycles Stack Exchange swag for top users

Update We mailed out the packages last week, but unfortunately our warehouse only included one water bottle instead of two. They'll send out the 2nd bottle in a separate package ASAP. As a thank you for being awesome, if you are on page 1 or page 2 of … http://bicycles.stackexchange....

AviD

@RoryAlsop oo, want those.

@ScottPack kinda like @Adnan....

Lucas Kauffman

I'd love to have a security.SE SIP bottle

3

Iszi

@ScottPack Hrm. Maybe we need a third term for a person whose body does not match the gender with which they most identify and express themselves.

Adnan

@Iszi But we're not top members.

I'm not even a member

ManishEarth

AviD

8:23 PM

@Iszi thats transgendered, apparently...

Scott Pack

@Iszi That's generally a pretty good descriptor of transgendered.

AviD

@ManishEarth still waiting for mine!

Adnan

@LucasKauffman That's a good one.

Also, I hate you!

Rory Alsop

@LucasKauffman Unfortunately it seems like specific swag is being phased out - and as Manish pointed out, it will be generic SE swag

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop So. Now we're going to have to enjoy both Scotch and gin. Drat.

AviD

8:24 PM

@Adnan maybe if we get jobs at SEI, we can get our pick of the swag....

ManishEarth

@AviD not yet manufactured yet afaict

Rory Alsop

@AviD I was wondering if it was cheeky to ask for 3?

Iszi

@ScottPack Or does post-op take you from Transgendered to Transexual?

Rory Alsop

:-)

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop I don't want generic SE swag, that's too mainstream D:

Scott Pack

8:24 PM

That's lame. I don't want to advertise SEI. I want to advertise the sites I care about.

@ScottPack Yep.

@ScottPack Like xnxx

@Iszi Indeed.

@ScottPack and be able to take a dump on some others!

Rory Alsop

community swag production

AviD

8:24 PM

@RoryAlsop lol, isnt that the Israeli line?

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Well, I figured that much. But I want one for non-top members! They really need to open up an SE store where we could buy all this swag. They used to have one, but it didn't have all the cool little goodies like the water bottles and flashlights and stuff.

Rory Alsop

@Adnan hahahaha - is it bad that I have that open on the monitor on the left....

AviD

"It's free, I'll take two!"

ManishEarth

If I wear my mexican-hat Physics.SE t shirt, a lot more people will ask me what it's about and eventually join the site

Scott Pack

I have several StackExchange t-shirts, but I refuse to use them for anything except undershirts. I will, however, wear my Sec.SE shirt out to conferences and the like.

ManishEarth

8:25 PM

@Iszi They had one

Iszi

@ScottPack That's rather confusing, given that the roots are roughly synonymous.

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth it is a good logo

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Good man Rory

Iszi

@ManishEarth That's what I just said.

Scott Pack

@Iszi meh

ManishEarth

8:25 PM

ah

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Are you checking it for any XSS?

ManishEarth

24

Q: IT Security Stack Exchange Top User Swag

As a thank you for being awesome, if you have at least 1,000 reputation and are on page 1 or page 2 of … http://security.stackexchange.com/users?tab=reputation&filter=all … we'll be sending you a little care package shortly: IT Security Stack Exchange t-shirt in your size IT Security Stack Ex...

discussion swag

Rory Alsop

@Manish - unfortunately I am only on page 4 for users on Physics

ManishEarth

:(

@RoryAlsop Oh, that happened a year ago

They only do it once

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth well, and I'm not a physicist. Loved it at school and stayed an extra year mostly just doing physics and maths, but that was mostly for the lasers - my answers on there are on the simple stuff

@Adnan erm....does penetration testing count?

Adnan

8:27 PM

@RoryAlsop Isn't that the only one that counts?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Careful. You saw what happened to @AviD.

ManishEarth

@RoryAlsop I know. I got my tshirt when mine were quite basic too

Iszi

@Adnan Gotta be the first time I've seen "isn't" typoed as "is in" - you must be one of those people who types like you talk.

Lucas Kauffman

I want a security.SE tshirt!

where can I buy one :( ?

ManishEarth

@LucasKauffman participate in the next election

AviD

8:28 PM

@LucasKauffman I might be willing to sell you mine. IF the price is right....

Adnan

@Iszi Racist!

Scott Pack

@ManishEarth At best that'll get him an SEI shirt

ManishEarth

@ScottPack nah

Iszi

@ManishEarth Nah, I think that just gets you generic SE - pretty sure that's how I got mine.

Scott Pack

They still haven't sent out t-shirts from the SF election.

Adnan

8:29 PM

@LucasKauffman I'm making one.. shhh!

Rory Alsop

How used can you cope with - I have had one that has come gigging with me. And another one which I have lectured in.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Ew

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop If it has Essence de Rory in it I might even pay more ._.

@AviD oh my

AviD

hey, I'm curious - what exactly do community managers do? Besides managing the elections and giving out swag, I mean.

Rory Alsop

@AviD give out hugs? (I'm missing Aarthi already)

2

Adnan

8:30 PM

@Lucas Bitch why are you ignoring me?

AviD

@RoryAlsop lol

why missing? Did she leave SEI?

Iszi

OMG. It looks like a feature-request I put in is actually getting implemented!

3

A: Allow the author to delete their own question after closure, if other rules permit it

This will be pushed out in the next build, > rev 2013.7.8.1192.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan oh I'd love one of those

Rory Alsop

@AviD Yeah - I think it was only a fixed term contract. Luckily she is still chatty on twitter and google+

AviD

@RoryAlsop awww

where she at now?

Iszi

8:31 PM

@RoryAlsop Shame.

AviD

and what did she actually do??

there are so many of them now, I imagine they're pretty darn important.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD They manage communities

AviD

@LucasKauffman oohhhhhh, NOW its all clear. Prick.

but what does that actually mean?

ManishEarth

@Iszi @ScottPack

Rory Alsop

@AviD not sure -was off being a creative I think

AviD

8:33 PM

I'm not feeling particularly managed here. Do we need to get one more involved?

Lucas Kauffman

@ManishEarth where?

@ManishEarth LINK MEH

ManishEarth

@LucasKauffman Secret form I was linked to

Lucas Kauffman

@ManishEarth do you have crypto cat?

ManishEarth

nope

new comp

Rory Alsop

@AviD I think Aarthi's role included encouraging PR type thinking and clicking yes on all the swag requests I sent

and hugs

@LucasKauffman hahaha - I like what you did there

ManishEarth

8:35 PM

Aarthi's role involved a lot of mod-managing

Scott Pack

Which makes sense. Have you seen some of those mods?

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth 'encouraging' :-)

@ScottPack what you talkin' 'bout Willis?

AviD

@ManishEarth yeah, I think I saw that, kind of a 2nd level support for mods.

Lucas Kauffman

damnit how can we else perform very secretive conversations which will end in me begging you to order me a shirt in sec.SE or black SE L size, if they are american size or XL if they are european

AviD

but what else do CMs bring to a site?

ManishEarth

8:36 PM

@AviD one mo, typing

AviD

and does anyone even know if we have anyone assigned to us?

ManishEarth

@AviD Who do you see on your meta the most?

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth hang on.....

AviD

@ManishEarth some dude named "Community"....

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Tubby.

Rory Alsop

8:37 PM

@AviD I thought it was Tildal...

Rory McCune

Evenin' All

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune awright - meant to say. Should do a beer. Wife is away to her mums to recuperate. And I palmed the kids off too.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD that might be the reason why they had to phase out the job

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop actually no, I'm far too hot!

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune hello there!

AviD

8:37 PM

@RoryAlsop yeah, him too... is @TildalWave secretly our community manager?

Rory McCune

since when is it this hot in Scotland at this time!

ManishEarth

@LucasKauffman not being phased out, they're hiring like 3 more

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune I know you are ;D

Adnan

@LucasKauffman docs.google.com/spreadsheet/…

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune heading home at 7pm and the temperature was 27 degrees - it just is not healthy

AviD

8:38 PM

@LucasKauffman phase out? hell no! there are like 2 dozen CMs now...

Rory Alsop

especially not in a suit

ManishEarth

@RoryAlsop @AviD Each comm team member has a list of sites that they keep an eye on (they mostly stay on metas). Usually silent, but they may step in now and then. Aside from that, they check mod messages and handle stuff like burninate-requests, revision deletion, vote invalidation, etc. They (mainly Shog) have been quite helpful on Physics. I think they also have to write reports and all.

Rory Alsop

@ManishEarth oh - I thought Shog was a dev

AviD

@RoryAlsop still quite a bit cooler than here.... :-(

Rory Alsop

@AviD If I was in Israel in the summer I would die

literally

Rory McCune

8:38 PM

@RoryAlsop beers sound like a good plan, what days would work? I'm testing from home all this week so all good to me :)

@LucasKauffman lol

ManishEarth

@RoryAlsop nono. Comm team: Shog9, Anna Lear, Tim Post, Grace Note, Robert Cartaino. And Jaydles, sort of

AviD

@RoryAlsop A/C A/C A/C A/C A/C A/C A/C A/C A/C A/C

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune I have to go to London Thurs eve for a day, so before then

@AviD we don't do AC here - never been a need for it. When you want to cool down you open the window.

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop know the feeling got a client who is based on an airport, we have to walk 15 miniutes in the sun from the security office to the main building, really makes for good sweaty meetings :p

Rory McCune

BTW has anyone come across a DNS/ICMP tunnelling client written in PowerShell, bit of a longshot I know...

Lucas Kauffman

8:40 PM

@RoryMcCune no but would be very interesting and shouldn't be too hard to do considering it's all just C#

AviD

@RoryAlsop ah, so thats why youre suffereing from the 27C. no AC...

Rory Alsop

@AviD well, and the suit

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop cool, tomorrow then?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan mmmm I might do that for BruCon

AviD

here I'm fine with the odd 37C, unless I have to go outside...

Rory Alsop

8:42 PM

@RoryMcCune works for me. Shall I bring beers to yours? you to mine? or both of us to the cricket club?

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah I have a kiosk test at the moment no ability to get to the web no clipboard no mapped drives, but they forgot to lock down powershell and it allows DNS queries :)

Rory Alsop

@AviD I honeymooned in Greece and it was 44. But the islands were self-combusting, and I had to wear shorts and sit in the sea

Scott Pack

I'm fair convinced that 20-22C is my temperature ideal

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack yep

Scott Pack

And slightly overcast.

Lucas Kauffman

8:42 PM

@RoryMcCune you coming down to Ghent this year?

AviD

@RoryAlsop well, they dont really wear clothes there, do they?

@ScottPack universal.

Rory Alsop

Quick query over on TL about our top canonical answer as to signing messages, whether to hash/encrypt, hash then encrypt, etc. - am sorting through @ThomasP's posts, but does anyone know which would be best?

@AviD exactly

honeymoon was awesome!

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop I'll wander in your direction if that works for you :) or could do Cricket club? Missus has a huge test on at the mo' so she'll prob. be working on that..

AviD

@RoryAlsop that is a bit of a blatant combination of messages there....

Rory Alsop

@Scott - you are a Scot aren't you? Were you celebrating Andy's win yesterday?

AviD

8:44 PM

@LucasKauffman is gonna ask for pics...

Rory Alsop

@AviD thankyou thankyou

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Como?

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman possibly although it's looking a bit unlikely at the moment, we're pretty busy and kinda hoping to move house around then so hesitant to book anything....

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Andy Murray - won a big tennis thing

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Whatever.

AviD

8:45 PM

@RoryAlsop dont specifically remember one about signing. I remember regarding hmac though

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune I'll order a community promotion pack, I'll just add a tshirt for you

TildalWave

@AviD hehe you managed to catch some sleep?

AviD

@TildalWave lil bit. very little bit.

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave he'll have practice by now

Rory McCune

@AviD I can't even imagine the havoc that having that many children must cause!

AviD

8:51 PM

@RoryMcCune its fun! its just like on telletubbies.

@RoryAlsop you tend to forget...

I can do fine with the no sleeping, at least for a while.

It's the sleeping in 20 minute increments that really get to me...

Rory Alsop

@AviD of course the way to dothis is delegate as much as you can to your eldest, because kids love looking after smaller kids and babies

win win

AviD

@RoryAlsop truth.

and finding the balance in that...

else you find your 4 year old trying to balance on the baby's head.

Rory Alsop

@AviD we have friends who ask if our two eldest can come and stay...so they can help them look after their toddlers

@AviD yerr, that is true

AviD

@RoryAlsop sweet. babysitting is a good gig...

Rory Alsop

@AviD that then leaves us some time with our youngest, which is good, as she probably lost out on the attention deal

TildalWave

8:55 PM

another good thing is you get to see all the latest cartoons without looking suspicious :)

AviD

@RoryAlsop yeah, its important to still find time for each one...

wish I had a tardis...

TildalWave

@AviD but you did... at least 5 times 2 minutes :))

AviD

haha, I meant to give each one attention...

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman on the DNS tunnel thing, I actually think it should be pretty easy in Powershell V3, there's a nice Cmdlet for resolving DNS names that takes different record types so that handles the retrieving end and then the sending bit is just encoding data and making requests..

TildalWave

@AviD there must be that half an hour of late evenings that the house goes strangely quiet even with 5 of them?

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