The DMZ

Xander

16:00

Though, i can understand politics and elections driving one to Everclear, certainly.

@MarkBuffalo 190-proof grain alcohol.

Mark Buffalo

Ah, damn. I'm afraid of alcohol lol

Xander

That 95% ABV, for those keeping score.

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo It's basically pure alcohol, and there are people who drink it straight

Rоry McCune

nutters, why drink nasty alcohol when you can drink nice alcohol

just picked up a Tamdhu 10yr today, will hopefully be nice

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune 16 year old highland single malt e_e its my special day alcohol

Thomas Pornin

16:03

@DavidFreitag I knew a military (captain, I think) of Polish ascendency who once "finished the photographer's stocks" (2 litres of pure alcohol) over an evening with three colleagues.

silverpenguin

£20 per 100 ml

Thomas Pornin

He told me that it was in fact less destructive than an 85⁰ Tequila he once drank.

Xander

@RоryMcCune I whole-heartedly concur with this sentiment.

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin £150/bottle what the heck is that? I got a 16Yr Lagavulin and it was only about £50

Xander

@ThomasPornin As far as he knew, anyway. I'll bet his liver wouldn't have agreed.

AviD

16:05

@RоryMcCune more expensive here, dont forget you're in Scotland...

Rоry McCune

@AviD aye but @silverpenguin is only down in England...

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune its a very limited supply :3 aged in a barrel for 16 years... cant remember the brand

Rоry McCune

@AviD also the lagavulin I picked up in Heathrow :)

@silverpenguin ahh yeah I guess limited run stuff can be more pricey,

AviD

I recently finished the last bit of my double cask lagavulin :-(

need a new bottle

Rory Alsop

Get some of the nice Balvenies

They have some really nice ones out at the moment

AviD

16:07

meh, balvenie is "okay", but not my favorites.

Rоry McCune

mmm balvenie

AviD

oh? maybe I should reconsider.

Rоry McCune

Balvenie Doublewood is one of my fav's

AviD

I actually noticed my stock is running rather low lately.

Rоry McCune

not particuarly expensive and quite nice

AviD

16:08

@RоryMcCune thats true, it is good value.

Rory Alsop

That or the Caribbean cask 14yr old

AviD

maybe I should pick up a bottle - I dont have any speyside in my collection.

(it IS speyside, right? )

or is it highland?

wikipedia says yes

Mark Buffalo

I tried alcohol once in China. Did not inhale

Spit it out asap because it tasted like mouth wash and rage-burnt my mouth

Rory Alsop

Wrong alcohol

go instead for good tasting drink

Mark Buffalo

Maybe

Rory Alsop

16:13

Simples

AviD

yeah the kinds all taste different

Mark Buffalo

None of them taste good. I've tried like 5 different brands

Guess it just isn't my thing

AviD

@MarkBuffalo "brands"?

Mark Buffalo

One Chinese, coors lite, and a few others

AviD

there are more than 5 different styles (not brands) of just whisky. Not to mention all the other kinds of non-whisky alcohol - they all taste totally different.

Mark Buffalo

16:15

In each caae, I couldn't bring myself to swallow

Yeah they do. I might just be a giant pussy though.

AviD

whisky, wine, beer, vodka, gin, rum, tequila, brandy, and so many others

its like saying "I dont like juice"

no, its not like that.

Mark Buffalo

...I don't actually like juice

:x

AviD

any one of those is like juice.

"I dont like food"

Mark Buffalo

I like food

All the foods

Thomas Pornin

@AviD An actual Paris Hilton quote ?

AviD

16:16

e.g. beer and vodka could not be less similar in flavor.

its not about alcohol.

@ThomasPornin "So is tuna a fish or a bird?"

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin lol

This captcha just called me a fag cuck

Wow

Xander

Vodka. Def: A drink that is pointless.

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo wtaf

it's picking up bad habits from 4chan

AviD

@Ohnana or from @Simon

oooh just realized something that makes perfect sense

Ohnana

i don't think simon's quite that bad

cut the guy some slack

Adi

16:22

Wrong message

AviD

hey @Simon, I heard Google just hired you to work on Google+

Ohnana

@AviD ...

AviD

urggh. So I'm doing a favor for someone, and agreed to review and update her client's secure coding guidelines. (HOW do I keep getting roped into this??) It is so horribly fubared...

Some things are literally backwards - DONT X instead of ALWAYS X. simple cluelessness.

but then there are things that just leave me HUHing, for several minutes, and I cannot figure out what was even intended. Perhaps something got lost in translation...

Mark Buffalo

csoonline.com/article/3044262/security/…

AviD

there is a requirement to "Remove all utility classes before deployment to production". Anyone have any clue what in hell they could have meant??

Matthew

16:28

@AviD They doing dependency injection really badly, and need to remove the mock classes?

Ohnana

@AviD test code

it's usually used to make the reviewer's job easier

and it also ensures that only code that was written with careful intent makes it to prod

Thomas Pornin

@Xander There is a Polish vodka called Żubrówka which has an actual taste.

Simon

You're a Polish vodka called Żubrówka which has an actual taste.

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Thomas Pornin

@Simon Copy&paste is a good thing, no ?

Simon

That is literally the second time that I've copy paste'd a "You're" thing.

I definitely have no idea how to get that dot on the Z.

Thomas Pornin

16:35

@Simon Compose-.-Z (on a machine with a "compose" key)

github.com/samhocevar/wincompose

That's "WinCompose", a nifty tool to get a "compose" key on Windows.

I know the author, he is a treacherous scoundrel, hence a trustworthy developer.

On Linux: xmodmap -e 'keycode 133 = Multi_key'

AviD

@Matthew doesnt sound that way

@Ohnana I doubt it

thats not what "utility classes" usually means

Ohnana

hmm. i'm not familiar with the term so i took a guess

AviD

I mean, not impossible, but usually when I hear or use "utility class" it is some kind of functional helper class

David Freitag

@ThomasPornin That's nuts

AviD

@DavidFreitag Deez nuts

David Freitag

16:39

@ThomasPornin All vodka has a taste, it's called lighter fluid

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin essentially an IME?

Xander

@ThomasPornin I would be willing to at least try that, before passing judgement.

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo It is... a bit more complex than that, because of accumulation of historical crud in X11.

Mark Buffalo

Ah

David Freitag

AviD

16:41

@ThomasPornin I thought X11 consisted solely of historical crud.

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo The "compose" key is handled by the X server directly, but is not part of the "X input methods" (XIM) properly said; and Gtk+ has its own processing with unfortunately slightly distinct composition tables.

E.g. you get "€" with compose+=+C or compose+C+=, but Gtk+ accepts only the latter combination.

XIM allows for a lot more complicated stuff, such as selection of Japanese Kanji.

... with a popup graphical method integrated within the host application.

Mark Buffalo

That's good

AviD

@ThomasPornin I'm sure @MarkBuffalo already knows all about that, he types Japanese Kanji natively.

Mark Buffalo

很好

@AviD Chinese. And I haven't learned about IMEs this deeply.

AviD

@MarkBuffalo right, same thing.

;-)

#simon

Mark Buffalo

16:45

I do type Japanese. Kanji, hiragana, katakana

Not good at it though

@AviD tldr: all large software projects?

AviD

@MarkBuffalo katakana? isnt that the supervilian with the swords, that often teams up with batman?

recently guestted on Arrow?

Mark Buffalo

@AviD That night be kitana?

AviD

@MarkBuffalo thats not true. Some large software projects are less than a day old.

@MarkBuffalo Katana I think

Katana (comics)

Katana is a fictional superhero that appears in comic books published by DC Comics. Her first appearance was in The Brave and the Bold #200 (cover-dated July 1983) and was created to be a member of the first Outsiders team by writer Mike W. Barr and artist Jim Aparo. In February 2013, Katana received her own series written by Ann Nocenti and with art by Alex Sanchez. This book is considered by DC as part of the "Fourth Wave" of New 52 titles. Katana lasted for ten issues. The final issue was released on December 11, 2013. == Fictional character biography == === Becoming Katana === Tatsu Yamashiro...

silverpenguin

cortana!!? everyone run

Mark Buffalo

@AviD two years old or longer?

AviD

16:48

@MarkBuffalo s/years/days/

Mark Buffalo

@AviD Ah, yeah. Named after a Japanese blade

@AviD luls

Thomas Pornin

@AviD X11 is still alive and kicking. There are projects that aim at replacing it, but adoption is slow.

Mark Buffalo

Thus waitress is taking far too long and making me late for everything

AviD

a project's code is defined as "legacy" the moment you step out to lunch.

Mark Buffalo

I almost feel like reducing the tip

Thomas Pornin

16:50

E.g. Ubuntu was supposed to switch to Wayland, but it is still "experimental" and not enabled by default.

Mark Buffalo

Service is sooooo poor here

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Just for a second? Just to see how it feels?

@ThomasPornin How is Wayland's support for embedded systems?

AviD

Why Tipping Should Be Banned - Adam Ruins Everything

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Simon

@ThomasPornin I'll let you know the next time I need to type it.

Mark Buffalo

Took 20 minutes to get sauce... food would've went cold

Thomas Pornin

16:51

@DavidFreitag I never tried it. Last I heard, it really works only with GPU with both 3D support and open-source drivers.

Mark Buffalo

So far, ten minutes waiting on the check

Simon

Look at you nurd being at the restaurant and chatting at the same time.

Mark Buffalo

Fifteen minutes for napkins

David Freitag

@ThomasPornin Does that count for ARM chips with built-in 3D accelerators? Presumably TI has an OpenGL driver for the AM335X line

Simon

On a scale of 1 to 10 nurdz, you get an 8.

Adi

16:52

@AviD It's extremely odd to leave a tip in Finland

Mark Buffalo

That's it. 10% tip only

@Adi Same in China

David Freitag

@Adi In the US a waitress's income is basically all tips

AviD

@Adi whototip.net/tipping-in-finland

@MarkBuffalo cheapskate!

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo This reminds me of a restaurant specialized in Spanish food. The waitress had completely borked the cashier, so they made us wait 1h30 for the bill -- but they kept bringing free sangria to help us be patient.

@DavidFreitag I suppose you will have to try...

David Freitag

@AviD No, poor service demands a poor tip.

Adi

16:53

@DavidFreitag That annoys me a lot

David Freitag

@ThomasPornin That's unlikely, I was just curious

AviD

@DavidFreitag but, was it her fault?

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin Free Sangria means a tip...

Simon

whototip.net/tipping-in-canada

David Freitag

@AviD 15 minutes to get napkins? I highly doubt it's due to a napkin shortage.

Simon

16:54

I've never tipped for a hotel.

AviD

@DavidFreitag overworked cuz the manager is too cheap to bring on more people?

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo is it SUPAR busy?

AviD

happens.

Mark Buffalo

I might not come back here. This is the fourth time I've gotter poor service despite tipping nicely

David Freitag

If it's not absolutely packed in there then I wouldn't tip more than 10%

AviD

16:55

yeah

Simon

@MarkBuffalo Fourth time and you still haven't learned?

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag Kind of. Still like ten waiters here. It's not full

Thomas Pornin

@MarkBuffalo It was in France. In France, service is always included in the price (and taxes too). Extra tipping is entirely optional, and limited in range.

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Yeah that's not good

Simon

@ThomasPornin da fuk are you doing here then?

David Freitag

16:56

Being from the US I can't understand why tips aren't appreciated

Simon

^

David Freitag

@Simon da lady bear

Simon

@DavidFreitag It has to be it.

Maybe one day he'll tell us.

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag i do. they make a living wage there.

AviD

then of course there is this classic:

Reservoir Dogs - Tipping Scene

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David Freitag

16:57

@Ohnana Yeah but how can you not appreciate even more?

Mark Buffalo

Twenty minutes later... got to pay

Thomas Pornin

Lack of customer-chosen tip is the often-cited reason why waiters in Parisian cafés tend to insult customers (but personally I think they are just inherently mean).

Simon

Yeah 'cause they're French.

Rory Alsop

@Xander vodka and coke, vodka and red bull, vodka and fruit juice, vodka and rum and juice... All good

Ohnana

@RoryAlsop vodka and vodka

the drink of mother russia

David Freitag

16:58

I mean not expecting tips and being pleasantly surprised is one thing, but to not appreciate or even accept? That just does not compute

Thomas Pornin

@Simon They are Parisian. Regular French are considered foreigners for the true Parisian.

Simon

Really?

Thomas Pornin

within the acceptable margin of hyperbola.

Ohnana

@ThomasPornin ya build them one radio tower, and they get a complex

Simon

When you think about it, it's the same here.

David Freitag

16:59

@ThomasPornin Is that the same sort of thing with all the furries in SF?

Ohnana

@DavidFreitag lol wat

Thomas Pornin

France is very centralized, and there is a non-negligible amount of condescending by Paris towards la Province.

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