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2:07 AM
Hopefully the change to the hint comes at the clue from a different angle.
 
3:02 AM
@Aranlyde If you're talking about the fact that the different color channels make 1-by-n "bars" of letters, that's what Alconja and I were alluding to in our earlier comments.
 
Ah I didn't know you got to that part. Sorry must have missed some comments.
Updated the hint (take 2 this time to hopefully hint something you haven't actually found)
Also, the partial solution may be a hint to this step...
 
The specialness of the O in my first comment was meant to refer to the fact that in the blue channel, it's part of two intersecting bars, which doesn't happen anywhere else.
 
Thus the clue about "remember, this is a painting". rot13(Gel n pbybe fcnpr zber fhvgrq sbe gur zrqvhz.)
 
3:18 AM
Sure, I should probably rot13(pnyy vg lryybj fhogenpgvir vafgrnq bs oyhr nqqvgvir).
 
rot13(Ybbx zber ng gur nqqvgvir gura gur fhogenpgvir va gur cnvagvat, ohg qb gur bccbfvgr va gur senzr.)
 
Ooooh. I just had an idea.
 
Sorry about all the confusion, hints are my least favorite part of making puzzles.
 
(I think that last hint may have been a little too much.)
 
I couldn't come up with anything more vague
If you said you already had the 1xn bars, kind of hard to give another clue from that point that doesn't spoil things
 
3:32 AM
I had already mentioned rot13(gung gur senzr zvtug or vzcbegnag) in an earlier comment -- you could've pointed me to that.
 
I changed the one on the main question so I don't spoil others.
 
No, by "that last hint" I mean...
@Aranlyde this comment.
 
Ah.
 
(Also, I've done the next step, but I'm having trouble piecing things together after that.)
 
What do you consider "the next step"?
 
3:41 AM
rot13(Svaqvat gur syrrg bs onggyrfuvcf va gur lryybj punaary.)
Hm, maybe there's more to do.
Yeah, I think a different method of extraction seems reasonable, now that I think about it. (I thought there was a different hint involving the word PiIsNot3 extracted, but that's probably reading too much into it.)
 
I'll let you think about it for now and not spoil things further.
rot13(naq tevq-qrqhpgvba jnf gur gnt V qvqa'g jnag gb nqq ng gur ortvaavat, ol gur jnl.)
 
and got it
I don't see how the "painting" hint was supposed to help though?
 
Which hint? The "it's a painting" one?
 
It sounded like you were trying to hint away from rot13(fcyvggvat vg hc vagb gur guerr pbybe punaaryf).
(Because that wouldn't make sense for a painting.)
 
I was trying to hint away from rot13(ybbxvat va ETO fcnpr)
If I had given the painting clue as an actual clue I would have added that rot13(vg jnf n jngrepbybe))
I thought you were still stuck in a digital space at that point.
 
3:58 AM
I kinda was, but I had the correct information? I found the three channels by just adding red, green, and blue multiplicative filters.
 
I understood the black/grey/brown to be hinting at using rot13(pzlx fcnpr naq jnf ybbxvat znvayl ng gur lryybj punaary (frr zl rneyvre pbzzrag nobhg fhoznevarf), ohg fgvyy jnfa'g svaqvat nalguvat va gurer orlbaq nccnerag tebhcvatf juvpu znqr zr srry yvxr V jnf ba gur evtug genpx, whfg ...fghpx)
@Deusovi Yeah, you're still going to get there that way since rot13(lryybj va pzlx vf (ebhtuyl) whfg erq+terra va eto)
(or more cleanly just the black bits in the blue channel)
 
Yeah, exactly. But the hints seemed to ignore my thoughts about the O being "special", so that made it seem it like the information we had gotten was incorrect.
 
...not sure how much I should be rotting...
 
I had a completely different assumption as to what you were seeing at that point.
I think @Deusovi has a final answer, so...
 
I do, and I'm writing it up now.
 
4:03 AM
Cool
 
I thought you were still looking at rot13(gur yrggref gurzfryirf naq abg gur onef gung jrer gur erfg bs gur vzntr)
 
My comment started with "I found something with the colors"...
(also probably not necessary to rot13 things)
 
and the colors are weird on that O even if you didn't find the bars
The wordsearch itself was not actually needed to solve the puzzle; in the first version the clue from it was "RED FISH", but using it as a triple hint was much more useful
 
(Is there a name for this type of puzzle, by the way? I'm familiar with the "usual" one, and I think I remember seeing something like this before, but I'm not sure.)
 
Retrograde Battleships is the one I've seen
Assuming you're talking about that part of it
(they're really annoying to make, by the way)
 
4:09 AM
I've never even heard of them, so it's no wonder I got stuck :)
 
yep, that one
 
If you see the shape of the ships in the frame, it comes pretty naturally as long as you know about standard Battleships
Submarine also clues Battleships
 
yeah I see the shapes, but still no idea what needs to be done... will wait for deus to post so I don't have to learn how to retrograde battleships
 
just posted
 
Other then your blue channel (aka yellow in CMYK) having the wrong solution, that works (and you got the right final answer)
 
4:18 AM
whoops, mis-copied
 
Nice puzzle (though I would never have got there - I didn't even know that the little ones were submarines in battleships, let alone that there was a deductive puzzle type based on it... I was just blindly looking for clusters/overlaps/anagrams that fit the shapes in the border)
And well played deus
 
The idea of this puzzle in general came from me looking at old USPC tests and getting annoyed at the "ignore letters while solving"
 
Tbh I hadn't even heard of that type of logic puzzle until now
 
I thought it was a pretty common type, or I would have hinted more clearly about that
 
I had heard of regular Battleships (and solved a fair amount of them). I don't think I've ever done a Retrograde, and I'm not sure if I've seen one before, but the rules were natural enough.
 
4:21 AM
I know Battleships the two-player game, but not the logic puzzle
 
^
 
(Plus making a color-based puzzle that my color-blind friend can solve, which is why I used CMY instead of RYB)
 
Whoo, I really need to up my logic puzzle identification skills!
 
Good to know for future puzzles. I thought they were one of the main group
 
You should do more Japanese-style logic puzzles! They're a lot of fun.
I think Battleships puzzles are fairly well-known? They're in every issue of Games Magazine, at least.
 
4:22 AM
@Deusovi I've heard about them before but never really gotten into them. Do you have a resource that I can take a look at?
 
GMPuzzles (gmpuzzles.com/blog) is pretty nice -- they have a blog of logic puzzles of various genres, plus a few books (for a few bucks each) with a bunch of instances of specific genres.
I also really recommend MellowMelon's puzzle books - his Fillomino book was what got me into solving Japanese-style logic puzzles in the first place.
 
Conceptis also has a battleships app I think
 
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Conceptis. Computer-generated logic puzzles are generally less fun (though they can be a nice way to pass the time sometimes).
 
All right, I'll take a look at those when I have the time, thanks!
 
www2.stetson.edu/~efriedma/published has a lot of fun logic puzzles as well from a Games contributor
No battleships (other than a page of retrogrades)
 
4:25 AM
ooh yeah, those are nice too
 
(Also, I made the word search before the battleships, so making puzzles that fit the constraints was actually really annoying)
 
I should probably share a couple Japanese-style logic puzzles that I've made here sometime.
 
Yes please.
I'm trying to learn how to make more, but it's really difficult to make good ones
 
I'd like to try to solve them
 
I've got a few Statue Parks that I might want to share. Not sure if I should find a way to embed them into something else or just post them alone.
 
4:44 AM
Embed them in something else. I want to see more elaborate, multi-layered, original-design puzzles again on the site. It feels like there's been less lately (though maybe I've just missed stuff).
 
Sid
@Deusovi You always find a way to embed something into something else. :P
 
Yeah, it does feel like that. I've been more into variety cryptics recently, which are a different brand of elaborate. Though I did have a few ideas for a puzzle in the "elaborate mess" style that we all know and love -- unfortunately, I haven't been able to think of a good answer line for it.
 
I like the "elaborate mess" descriptor... maybe it should be a new tag. :)
 
(Also, the logic puzzles I'd want to share have already been shared in other places. So it's probably better to just share them alone.)
Heh, I know I'd watch that one.
 
You don't count Untitled as elaborate? :P
I'll have to go deeper
 
4:51 AM
It was definitely good and the sort of thing I'm getting at (though you can certainly go deeper)
I'm mildly concerned the one I'm working on is going to hit the max character count. :P
 
Most of the elaborate ones I'm working on are part of a hunt I'm planning
so they won't be posted until later
I did make an entire puzzle hunt round where all the answers were QR codes...
I do wish I was better at making cryptic clues
 
The best way to improve is through practice!
 
Sid
@Aranlyde You can get better by solving the CCCC
 
You're talking the one that's been unsolved for a week and a half?
With a bunch of cryptic fiends working on it?
 
Speaking of, anyone got any ideas? One thing I noticed was maybe "Unruly start" could be an anagrind to get some way towards "STRAT*+(egy)" (for line, as in a line of play).
but couldn't get infirmary - head nurse = egy...
 
Sid
5:01 AM
head nurse could just be "N"...
 
It could be.
 
egy is a weird combination of leters
 
With "start" and "head" in there, it's hard to know how to parse things, but my interpretation of the hint is that the "X has Y out of" structure is a deletion.
(or just "X out of line")
 
Sid
There is a hint?
 
May 13 at 6:54, by Rubio
C4 hint: C4#870 may offer some inspiration.
May 13 at 6:57, by Alconja
For reference: "Clear sleep-deprived head. Rising Monday. Energy definitely impaired. (8)" => DEFO[rest] ("clear" as in trees, "sleep-deprived") + R[ising] M[onday] E[nergy] D[efinitely]
though re-reading, I guess it could be hinting that "head" could be a multi start letter scenario
 
5:07 AM
NOOL?
or ending in LIE (LINE - N)?
 
(though I'm not sure that's 100% legal?? should it be headS? (and yes, I wrote the other one, so I'm questioning my own legality))
other minor thing I noticed is that infirmary => CLINIC, and head nurse => NIC (nurse in charge), such that "infirmary has head nurse out (of)" could be CLI, but cli is a pretty clunky chunk of letters to be turning into a word without much else to work with.
 
(yes, I believe it should be "heads")
 
For the record, the only word I could find with NOOL in the middle is SNOOLING, which is a Scottish term for the act of cowering in fear, so it doesn't fit the definition in this case
If the hint means that "head" clues the first letter of multiple words, then I'm not sure which ones we're supposed to take
 
5:24 AM
Have we eliminated unruly as the def?
 
Nope. As far as I can see, it could be unruly, unruly start, out of line, line.
How about a stupidly dodgy construction: ANARCHIC (def: unruly), with "start to infirmary" => A (i'm sure we can find a synonym of infirmary that starts with an A), then N_IC ("head nurse" => nurse in charge) "out of" (wrapped around) ARCH ("line").
 
@Alconja ASYLUM, maybe?
 
Yeah, that seems very questionable.
 
That answer doesn't take into consideration the hint, however
 
5:46 AM
A new contributor just answered their own question...
 
I really want to make CONTRARY work. Def: unruly, N_ ("head nurse"), which is inside ("has") COT (relates to infirmaries), and (RAY)* ("out of line"). That extra R doesn't seem to be clued anywhere though...
And COT to clue "start to infirmary" doesn't seem to be right
 
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That would be an indirect anagram.
 
Yeah, that too...
I was also thinking about MUTINOUS, if only because it contains N_ O_ ("head nurse out"), but the rest of the clue doesn't fit the other parts at all
 
 
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11:02 AM
C4 commentary: it is not CONTRARY nor ANARCHIC; I'm not using "head" to mean headS.
C4 hint: 4th letter is O
 
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4:24 PM
@Rubio I think I got it, is it UNTOWARD? Def: unruly, (OUT + N_)* + WARD
 
sounds like you're double-using "out"
 
Is "line" an anagram indicator?
 
not in any way I'm aware of
and "of line" definitely isn't
 
I don't see anywhere else to get OUT though...
 
yes, so it's probably incorrect
also, I don't see where WARD comes from
 
4:31 PM
A ward is a room in a hospital, so relates to infirmaries
 
it relates to infirmaries, yes
but being related isn't enough
"start to infirmary" doesn't really define WARD
 
I'm parsing it as "ahead of 'infirmary' is blah blah blah"
 
well, it's "has", not "is"
 
Darn, now I'm less sure about my guess now, it almost fits well :(
 
yeah, it looks close, but that double-usage of "out" kills it, sadly
 
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5:08 PM
Well. I’ll give you this. Im on mobile atm so cant easily give a link but both WARD and INFIRMARY have a sense of a division of a prison or institution for medical care. So infirmary here is intended to clue WARD. apologies if that is too distant; it seemed sufficiently close when I was looking it up to validate.
(A ward is not limited to just being a room in a hospital)
 
U_+(N_)+TO+WARD
ah, it is UNTOWARD
 
THERE it is. :)
I hope that wasn’t actually unfair
 
5:23 PM
Ohhhh, that makes more sense haha :)
I think it was a pretty good clue, definition really could've been either of the two sides, and there were just so many ways to parse the wordplay. Nice job!
And cryptic clues are meant to be unfair, y'know :)
 
I got a bit of a kick out of putting what could be an anagrind on both ends, one serving as def. and the other not actually being an anagrind heheh
 
 
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